I finished it yesterday. Nice book, has some nice writing.
Nah, mate, I am all for being a troll and rooting for characters made to be "unlikeable", like Fyodor Pavlovich or Naptha, but Tom's a fricking c**t. Gatsby is not much better and he was a simp fool, but Tom was still a c**t.
That it’s nietzschean tale of a failed ubermensch (Gatsby) who attempts to impose money and status as the new source of all value and fails utterly, leaving only a meaningless consumerist void in his wake.
I want to reread it. I liked it ok when we read it in high school, but I think it gets lost on students. When you’re in high school, you have no idea what it means to beat on, a boat against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. Your entire existence up until that point is waking up every day being able to run faster and stretch your arms out farther. You gotta be in the real world for a bit to really understand its take on the American dream.
they need to read stuff like this anyway, otherwise they have very little chance of ever not being moronic, but this is true. Didn't care for it in high school. Rich people problems. And guy wants his girl back? At least he HAD a girl. Read it half a decade later and ohhhhh
I fricking HATE this type of sugary nasty disgusting romance books, I fricking despise them, I wish I could gather them all on a square and burn them to ashes.
This book was very relatable to me because I was Gatsbymaxxing myself (i.e doing everything, even if impressive, purely for the hopeless goal of winning a taken girl), long before I even knew of this book (not American).
Anyway, upside is that I make a high salary, play instruments, climbed Mount Aconcagua once, and speak 5 languages. Downside is that it was all done for someone else's approval and I'm still fricked outta luck.
I don't think so, I would definitely put a trigger warning in it. Tom is a gigachad exemplar husband and redpilled about his own racial upbringing (nordic) and yet he is hardly cucked by his wife that literally says to his face that she never loved him, and he acts like a simp moron betabuxx. Gatsby is literally a gigasimp who is literally betabuxmaxxing to get some crumbles of second hand pussy
It is pure degeneracy, I don't think it is suited for the decent and honest person.
One should look critically at the characters. One should be able to read about a character commiting any type of action regardless of whether or not they align with the moral compass of the reader without it affecting them. To not be able to distance yourself enough with the literary work is frankly womanlike behaviour. Despite having said this, when I read it, I recalled that one time I foolishly fell in love with a girl unexpectedly and then grew a tumor with her name on it inside my head. So I speak from bias. Even if you are an incel, that does impede the capacity to feel love. I'm sure you've felt some manner of way similar regarding someone else even if just for a moment. Ultimately the book is not about impossible romance. Not from the typical point of view anyway. It's about being moronicly rich yet still longing for something hardly attainable. One could even go as far as to say that Gatsby is only pussy sick because the whole ordeal with the girl happened before he became a man, and as such it is a childish nostalgia driven desire like any other. Perhaps a different kind of man would not seek love but vengeance over something that scarred him as a youth. Perhaps a man would not seek a woman but a landscape or place.The book cover represents this perfectly: the ethereal face with lipstick and eyes in the sky looming over the carnal affairs below but paying them no mind, looking directly at the reader.
>white cis hetero male this >white cis hetero male that >white cis hetero male rich >white cis hetero male child >white cis hetero male ego
What about Daisy? And more importantly what about Myrtle Wilson? That book is clearly denouncing the crimes committed against young innocent social climbers by rich males driven by animalistic irrational urges.
>Is that a red flag?
It is just a book. >Am I not rich enough for her?
You will never be rich enough, there is no end to how much money is required to satisfy a woman.
Third time I read it, I got it. Great lil book.
Kino
You are appalled by modern audiences' misreading of Fitzgerald's tragic anti-hero, Tom Buchanan
I finished it yesterday. Nice book, has some nice writing.
Nah, mate, I am all for being a troll and rooting for characters made to be "unlikeable", like Fyodor Pavlovich or Naptha, but Tom's a fricking c**t. Gatsby is not much better and he was a simp fool, but Tom was still a c**t.
Naptha was so fricking based, frick you Mann you pedo freak, we’ve long stole your antagonist. Go vote, homosexual.
high school sucked
That it’s nietzschean tale of a failed ubermensch (Gatsby) who attempts to impose money and status as the new source of all value and fails utterly, leaving only a meaningless consumerist void in his wake.
I want to reread it. I liked it ok when we read it in high school, but I think it gets lost on students. When you’re in high school, you have no idea what it means to beat on, a boat against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past. Your entire existence up until that point is waking up every day being able to run faster and stretch your arms out farther. You gotta be in the real world for a bit to really understand its take on the American dream.
they need to read stuff like this anyway, otherwise they have very little chance of ever not being moronic, but this is true. Didn't care for it in high school. Rich people problems. And guy wants his girl back? At least he HAD a girl. Read it half a decade later and ohhhhh
You hated it because you're a pleb
It would have been better if Gatsby had run over the whole main cast during the car accident scene.
I fricking HATE this type of sugary nasty disgusting romance books, I fricking despise them, I wish I could gather them all on a square and burn them to ashes.
>I fricking HATE this type of sugary nasty disgusting romance books
Strange way of saying you didn't read the book.
That cover is so kino it shouldn't be possible
This book was very relatable to me because I was Gatsbymaxxing myself (i.e doing everything, even if impressive, purely for the hopeless goal of winning a taken girl), long before I even knew of this book (not American).
Anyway, upside is that I make a high salary, play instruments, climbed Mount Aconcagua once, and speak 5 languages. Downside is that it was all done for someone else's approval and I'm still fricked outta luck.
That human life is a joke where you only figure out what you want and believe after it's too late to actualize either.
Is this book safe for incels? I haven't had sex in 30 years and I didn't enjoy The Sun Also Rises because of the romancing.
I don't think so, I would definitely put a trigger warning in it. Tom is a gigachad exemplar husband and redpilled about his own racial upbringing (nordic) and yet he is hardly cucked by his wife that literally says to his face that she never loved him, and he acts like a simp moron betabuxx. Gatsby is literally a gigasimp who is literally betabuxmaxxing to get some crumbles of second hand pussy
It is pure degeneracy, I don't think it is suited for the decent and honest person.
One should look critically at the characters. One should be able to read about a character commiting any type of action regardless of whether or not they align with the moral compass of the reader without it affecting them. To not be able to distance yourself enough with the literary work is frankly womanlike behaviour. Despite having said this, when I read it, I recalled that one time I foolishly fell in love with a girl unexpectedly and then grew a tumor with her name on it inside my head. So I speak from bias. Even if you are an incel, that does impede the capacity to feel love. I'm sure you've felt some manner of way similar regarding someone else even if just for a moment. Ultimately the book is not about impossible romance. Not from the typical point of view anyway. It's about being moronicly rich yet still longing for something hardly attainable. One could even go as far as to say that Gatsby is only pussy sick because the whole ordeal with the girl happened before he became a man, and as such it is a childish nostalgia driven desire like any other. Perhaps a different kind of man would not seek love but vengeance over something that scarred him as a youth. Perhaps a man would not seek a woman but a landscape or place.The book cover represents this perfectly: the ethereal face with lipstick and eyes in the sky looming over the carnal affairs below but paying them no mind, looking directly at the reader.
>white cis hetero male this
>white cis hetero male that
>white cis hetero male rich
>white cis hetero male child
>white cis hetero male ego
What about Daisy? And more importantly what about Myrtle Wilson? That book is clearly denouncing the crimes committed against young innocent social climbers by rich males driven by animalistic irrational urges.
Just talking to a female, let alone having sex with one even if 30 years ago already disqualifies you as an incel.
gatsby has reference to rising tide of color
http://www.google.com/search?q=rising+tide+of+color
The girl I like loved The Great Gatsby and also Pride and Prejudice.
Is that a red flag? Am I not rich enough for her?
>Is that a red flag?
It is just a book.
>Am I not rich enough for her?
You will never be rich enough, there is no end to how much money is required to satisfy a woman.