What if I were to do something bad for a good cause? Slaying a thief is still murder isn't it?
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What if I were to do something bad for a good cause? Slaying a thief is still murder isn't it?
Plato did gorgias dirty. Same for protagoras and others. Anyone interested in gorgias should look to the actual fragments and testimonia. Gorgias is actually a more interesting philosopher than Plato tbh.
QRD? im reading plato's gorgias right now
Gorgias wrote a very interesting metaphysical work. He was also a great orator/rhetorician who developed standardized ways of speaking and arguing. He also had a bit of an ego/personality, was involved in politics, and generally lived a long and successful life without getting executed at the end.
Plato's gorgias doesn't really reflect any of that and probably shouldnt mention gorgias at all. Just stick a famous, superior thinker's name on a work and suddenly it's supposed to be interesting. Pure platonic sophistry that sadly impacted the way we think about these ancient philosophers.
Also, speaking of the sophist/philosopher divide, don't just blindly accept P***o's schema. Isocrates was famously drawing this distinction before Plato, and people like gorgias (who was a teacher & friend to Isocrates) are on the philosopher side. The "sophists" are grifters who don't put in the hard yards to learn and develop systematic styles and approaches to various topics/practices, and perhaps don't have that inborn good nature (this last point goes to isocrates moral belief re: can you teach a man to be good, don't really need it to understand the original sophist/philosopher distinction).
>Also, speaking of the sophist/philosopher divide, don't just blindly accept P***o's schema.
Ok, I'll just accept Schopenhauer's schema. A sophist is anyone who receives a salary to be a philosopher.
That's moronic. You think that because Socrates didn't charge tuition, that is a meaningful distinction re: the quality of his thought and behaviour? Also, how convenient that he still had super rich and powerful friends, went to all the biggest parties, had the best food and drink, and had people on speed dial to pour buckets of money on him if he needed to pay a fine or leave town for a while.
Fricking germans
>A sophist is anyone who receives a salary to be a philosopher.
Based
Gorgias is much more important in the dialogue than you think. Go reread it.
>Gorgias wrote a very interesting metaphysical work
About what?
Go read Pseudo-Aristotelean MXG & Sextus Empiricus, they give very detailed summaries. Or be lazy and read this:
https://twitter.com/Tweetophon/status/1651813372822978560?t=USfChkLpDPbonmCWdMkowQ&s=19
That is the worst brainrot shit ive ever read, w plato
Slaying a thief is good murder.
>doing a bad thing for a good cause
Either the “bad thing” isn’t bad, or the “good cause” isn’t good.
So a bad action against a bad certain something negates the badness?
He's saying what defines an action as good or bad isn't the action but the purpose it serves u illiterate homosexual
No, murder would be inherently bad according to the gorgias
no its self-defense
Murder is generally defined as unlawful or maliciously unjust killing, we have legal distinctions for justifiable or accidental killing like self-defense, judicial execution, warfare, negligent homicide and manslaughter. A better term than murder for your question would be the more value-neutral homicide.
Also, this has nothing to do with The Gorgias lol. If you want to hear a good lecture on it, Greg Johnson is doing one now on the Counter-Currents podcast. He's a White Nationalist with a PhD in Philosophy, interesting guy. It's behind a paywall on the site, but you can listen for free on any rss catcher. https://counter-currents.com/2023/06/counter-currents-radio-podcast-no-538-greg-johnson-on-platos-gorgias-lecture-1/
Catholic Catechism on this:
>1756 It is therefore an error to judge the morality of human acts by considering only the intention that inspires them or the circumstances (environment, social pressure, duress or emergency, etc.) which supply their context. There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.
St. Thomas Aquinas:
>The concept of "double effect" is a principle that Aquinas discusses, which is often brought up in complex moral situations. This principle holds that an action having two effects -- one good and one bad -- may be permissible if all of the following conditions are met:
>The action in itself, from its very object, must be good or at least indifferent.
>The good effect must not be produced by means of the evil effect.
>The evil effect is not directly intended for itself but is incidental.
>There must be a proportionate reason for permitting the evil effect.
The Bible on it
"Those who act from the spirit are not restrained to the law"
Look it up