What if recent stagnation in physics is deliberate?
I.e. some world-threatening* physics was discovered and it had to be buried by governments to preserve humanity...
*threatening how?
Well, imagine if there was a phenomenon that would allow every random moron to build equivalent of nuclear bomb from readily available items...
How could you safely make such knowledge publicly available?
What would scare us so much to get into a dark age willingly and remain blissfully ignorant? Other dimensions?
Kind of reminds me of the hypothesis that hallucinogenic substances found in plants and mushrooms were the first step in our evolutionary path to civilization. Some primates got mindfricked to realize some shit that would allow them to form complex social structures, tools, etc.
>What would scare us so much to get into a dark age willingly
Probably something about a negative afterlife, which is where multiple disciplines are pointing.
Quantum Immortality would be very bad, Poincare Recurrence would be very bad, the implications of block time are very bad, etc.
Pretty sure "hell" was an invention of old wise men that rationalized a bad post-death state.
wait, which disciplines are pointing towards a "negative afterlife"
Well, quantum immortality would be hell, big world immortality would be hell, recurrence could be hell, AI can create hell, basically anything that extends consciousness indefinitely can do so with a brain in a pain state.
Remember, you don't need nerves for a negative valence state, just a brain.
Its not as simple as "when you die its all chill" anymore. I think these ideas are poised to freak the frick out of the establishment and eventually all of humanity.
We really just assumed nature lets us off the hook at death, but nature owes us no such fate.
If you became inmortal you would most likely not remember everything. There has to be a limit to memory the way human beings can process it. If you were a thousands years old you would remember the 21st century the same way you remember your 10th birthday or something. It's about perspective
Granted, the larger point is that "nothingness" is no longer an easy go-to material option, and that may carry consequences.
This is scary
Yes, yes it is.
I don't know how to deal with this thought
Ah frick, did I basilisk you?
I'm sorry man. I'm just throwing shit out there.
I found an interpretation of steadily dimming consciousness that is making me feel a bit better but this whole thing is a bit much for me.
My anxiety is overdrive now
You probably have OCD and now have an existential form of POCD (pure ocd).
Keep that in mind. Your mind is going to frick with you on this one, but I know these things and I'm okay. It gets easier.
The whole lesswrong thing seems like an avenue for mental damage
It totally is. Don't let it get to you.
I've read enough deboonkers now that I think I'll be ok
I need to learn more QM
That's great.
Another thing to know is that in psychology, fear of death is not a first-order fear. Its secondary to fear of the unknown. Right now you're looking at that dark cave as a monkey trying to survive another day, and your brain is gearing you up for fight or flight.
Being humans, we use our big imaginations to fill-in that unknown thing. If you're prone to pessimism, you'll make it something bad.
The annoying thing is that when people discuss things like recurrence theories and quantum immortality, they obviously do not think through the implications. I talk about this because I want to keep those people honest. Maybe they should treat their gay little thought experiments with a little more respect before spouting nonsense.
>you would most likely not remember everything
naturally, this is even the case for most people
but the present would be experienced as per usual
Ok and?
jews?
>Kind of reminds me of the hypothesis that hallucinogenic substances found in plants and mushrooms were the first step in our evolutionary path to civilization. Some primates got mindfricked to realize some shit that would allow them to form complex social structures, tools, etc.
Dude weed lmfao shut the frick up moron you don't belong here
Mushrooms aren't weed you fricking nerd
>I.e. some world-threatening* physics was discovered
What? You mean like UFO technology and the realization that our physical universe is a manifestation of conscious energy that can be directly influenced by a conscious thinking being's thoughts/feelings? Why do you think they were heavily studying psychic phenomenon in the 70-90's, then suddenly stopped, and started making fun of anyone who took it seriously?
>How could you safely make such knowledge publicly available?
Dunno, but for starters, don't dumb it down too much. As in, making it easy enough that even a child could use.
I think that's who we screwed up with computers and the internet. At one point computers required technical knowledge to use and with that technical knowledge came wisdom of the dangers involved. Now anyone can "operate" a computer, but they're nascent of the dangers and it's more like the computer simply exists to use the operator as information gathering tools. This leads to all sorts of abuse such as privacy issues, media/mental manipulation, and such. I fear the day AI are smarter than we are and start making use of all this data they've collected on us over the years.
>Why do you think they were heavily studying psychic phenomenon in the 70-90's, then suddenly stopped, and started making fun of anyone who took it seriously?
Because they confirmed it's fake? Take your meds schizo, what a way to twist story
>This leads to all sorts of abuse such as privacy issues, media/mental manipulation, and such. I fear the day AI are smarter than we are and start making use of all this data they've collected on us over the years.
>How do we know this isn't already happening?
Quantum Computers would be the only efficient way of related all that data. There is some major issues with quantum computers (source: my TA is doing his masters thesis on quantum error codes). At least we got a few good years left before the singularity
>Why do you think they were heavily studying psychic phenomenon in the 70-90's, then suddenly stopped, and started making fun of anyone who took it seriously?
They stopped because they no longer had extra money due to the israelites blackmailing the politicians into destroying the nations industry which resulted in more oversight in government spending. These programs were a waste of money run by a bunch of nutjob morons.
Vannevar Bush wrote a very obscure paper just before he disappeared into the Pentagon that used Weber's electrodynamics to unify the strong nuclear force with electromagnetism.
So?
Weber's electrodynamics is incompatible with special relativity. So the top physicist in the Pentagon for decades wrote a paper that not only unified nuclear physics and electromagnetism, but did so using methods that explicitly rejected mainstream quantum mechanics, electromagnetism, and relativity. Do you think he then went into the Pentagon after writing that paper and decided that his entire understanding of physics was actually wrong, and that mainstream academia was right?
Every single black budget project in the Pentagon ultimately reported to Vannevar Bush. Do you really need me to spell this out for you?
yes please
Read a summary of Bush's paper (in his own words) for yourself.
And here is the full paper (attached). It's one of the most remarkable papers ever published in physics, in my opinion.
>Well, imagine if there was a phenomenon that would allow every random moron to build equivalent of nuclear bomb from readily available items...
It's called a CNC machine + the internet. The only thing stopping you from being able to build your own nuke is your lack of commitment to building it.
>is your lack of commitment to building it
yeah and the industrial scale of specialized precision equipment and chemical processing equipment. It would literary cost you $1 billion in mondern money minimum.
One kid did it and the FBI showed up at his house and they politely asked him to not do it
he was doing light enrichment stacking shit... never would be pure enough for an explosive... but probably an inefficient reactor.
Boom reality. Humans are lazy.
high speed centrifuges designed to separate 235 and 238 isotopes are not easy to build and are quite energy intensive
this is basically how we know iran have not built a nuclear weapon
They surrendered more than enough U235 to build several bombs in the 2015 JCPOA, in exchange for a piece of paper which Trump wiped his ass with. Now only CIA/Mossad can stop Iran, but these attempts in and of themselves (assassinations, explosions, physical cyberattacks) are an act of war.
>OH NO ACT OF WAR.
Unironically have a nice day. The Islamic Republic declared war on the US in 1979. Tehran can eat a retraction or it can eat several nukes, as far as I'm concerned, and as far as several Arab nations are concerned, let alone the fricking israelites.
The *US declared war on Iran the second they consolidated their independence. Hopefully Iran can cobble some nukes together and point them at US forces, just like Best Korea does.
There are other, much more discrete methods of isotope separation (such as the various laser isotope separation technologies developed in the 70s-90s) that could in theory be performed by a single individual with enough knowledge and starting material.
moronic
Based overconfident moron
The three body problem books explore this idea.
Sort of. Physics was purposely stagnated by an outside foe.
What is it about?
First book is about ayys living on a triple-star system sending a VR game to Earth to see if anyone can find a way to help them make a predictive calendar as they keep suffering apocalypses due to the 3-body problem.
Second is about game theory in the context of interplanetary warfare.
Third is about topology and dimension in the context of interplanetary warfare.
Heavy chinese themes.
meds
Was pretty weird reading declassified CIA documents and seeing that they already had quantum physics and 4D models of the universe that are currently discussed.
That was 50 years ago...
Why are the 50s and 60s so inmensely technologically advanced compared to earlier decades? Now it feels like we haven't really than much advanced than we were during the late 90s outside of smartphones.
cold war, plus real homies were in charge back then
Fr fr no cap
physics is stagnant how now? Have you considered that sci-fi bullshit maybe isn't possible at all?
>50s
all the low hanging fruit got found
Why would someone search for false knowledge?
What motivated the ancient Sophists to try to win arguments not through logic, but by twisting words around until they were correct "by definition"? I'm asking genuinely because I don't know but I think that's the kind of person that "searches for false knowledge," for lack of a better word.
I think I have been gaslighted my whole life into thinking that being genuine and honest is naive or stupid, because it's not beneficial for personal gain.
I don't like that shit bros. How can someone be successful and stay a "good" and truthful person?
The problem is that people just as often take kindness and generosity as a cynical invitation to take advantage of others. The fact is that we all compromise our ideals one way or another to carve out a path for ourselves in order to exist. The question is not really whether you are intrinsically good or not. The question is, on what issues are you willing to take a principled stand? To some people you will be good, to others you'll be an adversary. There are really no good people or bad people, there are just people who either do good things or bad things. So instead of worrying whether you are good or not, dedicate yourself to something useful. In the process you might improve yourself anyway.
True. Morality is subyective but it's important to have a solid ethical base or principles. Some people will call you evil and others good. Not everything is black and white.
>I think I have been gaslighted my whole life into thinking that being genuine and honest is naive or stupid, because it's not beneficial for personal gain.
Were you raised israeli? Honest question, I don't mean to offend.
Catholic. My parents were not too synical(atleast not my mother), but this was my experience growing up. My brothers, friends, etc seem to have this mindset, wich does make sense in a way, but doesn't feel right.
When the pursuit of knowledge is applied only to the determination of who's right rather than what's right, truth is inevitably left by the wayside.
>Why would someone search for false knowledge?
Go ask there
When you declare that all of physics is simply model building, deny that you're engaged in any sort of philosophical quest for understanding, and refuse to acknowledge the existence of any ultimate underlying reality, you preclude the possibility of ever finding one. All of the knowledge in the universe can't help you at this point if you're not willing to also engage in a search for truth.
And furthermore, to engage in a search for truth, it's not sufficient to merely be willing to consider new ideas. You also have to consider the possibility that old ideas, which you have already accepted, may be wrong.
Better understanding of the downfall of other men, which itself may be relevant to avoid your own.
I'm currently reading the Bible, despite not being Christian or israeli.
yeah there are lots of ways in physics, energy and computing etc that the flow is blocked by TPTB, it helps to enforce duality and the matrix until it is clear something is very wrong and requires fixing because the real issue is how humans think, and until that is realised and perspectives change then it will continue as before
I don't get it. How does that refute him?
This meme is unironically the psyop, and is designed to shame open conversation online.
You are projecting your glow onto everyone. Next you'll rage and start posting antisemetic memes, because you think that the insinuation of israeliness will surely shut down free speech if being called a "lefty" doesn't work. You are a common archetype, and it's you who are unironically the mindslave.
Mainstream science, who uses wrong axioms, is stagnated. Real science is progressing.
https://www.resonancescience.org/
>https://www.resonancescience.org/
lol take your meds dude
Science isn't stagnating. The breakaway civilization is posting UFO videos via the military. They're bragging about how fast their aircrafts are.
Any real development in any field of study, science or otherwise, occurs under utter secrecy and is only revealed years, if not decades later after initially being discovered, if at all.
Gatekeeping has evolved to where gathering all necessary data is impossible.
>What if recent stagnation in physics is deliberate?
yes, the science was deliberately taken over by israeli larpers with no talent, skill, ability or interest in advancing the science and who are only interested in public grandstanding and effeminate virtue signaling
>governments want to preserve humanity
lol
You can't be at the top when there's no one at the bottom.
they'd just keep who they need
>Well, imagine if there was a phenomenon that would allow every random moron to build equivalent of nuclear bomb from readily available items
We're not too far off.
You can already buy a hobbyist genetic engineering lab for a few thousand dollars.
USAID's Deep VZN is proposing to categorize, sequence and publish the viruses with pandemic potential.
With those sequences, a humanity ending weapon (think releasing 4 different pandemics at once, but they're actually lethal) is within the grasp of a well funded group already.
With a few generations of technological improvement, this outcome becomes exceedingly probable.
Globalization is a risk vector we, as a species, can't afford.
Please just go back to /x/
I'm so fricking tired of this board
Is Henri Poincare /x/?
How about Tegmark?
Or Everett?
Or Boltzmann?
I'm sorry but I get all of my reincarnation scares from the physical sciences. Its not my fault other materialists aren't intellectually honest.
Steadfast belief that death = nothing is the most /x/ thing i can think of. Its a dogmatic belief, ignoring the evidence.
It became obvious to me when I read about Tesla bragging about his discovery of resonator able to destroy building without explosives.
We would be all be dead
You highly overestimate the competence of those in power
People that say science is stagnant are the most ignorant mf'ers on the planet.
It has been in some areas, like aerospace.
it's the sophons anon
lol frick me didn't see someone else mentioned remembrance of earth's past
Also your OP is the plot of an Asimov novel don't think we didn't notice.
>nuclear power was invented
>governments needed power plants that could produce weapon grade material
>a lot of nukes were made
>people don't want nukes
>people discover power plant type that is more efficient, can burn spent fuel and not be used for producing weapon material
>nuclear bomb material can even be used for fuel
>energy crisis and nuke problem could be solved with this technology
>government can't have that
>shut it down
Humans are too lazy, stupid, and incompetent to run that number of nuclear power plants without having one meltdown every 5 years permanently radiating the global water supply.
molten salt rectors can't meltdown
at worst al the fuel will run into a drain tank
Yea and they don't work either moron its the same pipe dream as fission reactors. Just 2 more weeks of research.
*fusion reactors
MSRs are not necessarily the only reactor type you'd use to dispose of weapons-grade fuel, existing GEN III technologies can already do this.
There's no reason Americans should be disposing of weapons-grade fuel we should be making more of it if anything.