What is it about Russian literature that makes it superior to every other literary culture on the planet?
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What is it about Russian literature that makes it superior to every other literary culture on the planet?
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Political and ideological turmoils
Russian people are weird as frick
Samovars, vodka and kopecks
Also:
The russian intellectual debate in the XIX century was trough literature (mostly novels and short stories) so writers were kind of philosophers.
Its not, you're just a poser
>wooow I've just read some Tolstoyevsky and Russians are DA BEST EVA
They really are. Who even comes close? I only started reading because of the Russians and every other country’s literature doesn’t really compare.
>I only started reading because of the Russians
What do you mean exactly? Did you read all this
after the Ukraine conflict?
t. Butthurted french
I'm not French and I know Russian. Tolstoyevsky is just babby's first existentialism with an exotic aura. They're great, of course, but the mindless surface-level adoration is annoying to read over and over again.
>every other country’s literature doesn’t really compare
Which Russians have you read?
>Which Russians have you read?
Novels: Pushkin, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Dosto, Lermontov, Gogol, Leskov, Goncharov,
A lot of short stories by: Korolenko, Garshin, Kuprin,Bunin, Andreev, Zoschenko, Kataev.
Nice, that really is a deeper look into their literature. I highly recommend trying out their poetry, even in translation, especially the stuff from the 20th century.
Thanks anon.
I really want to read some russian poetry.
Mayakovsky and Tsvetaeva are well known (and their works are translated to my language), but I didn't read them yet.
How is goncharov? I've got oblomov on my list after seeing it posted in another thread but haven't read it yet
He's good but probably not an "essential" reading tho.
The book was praised in that time because it was a huge parody of the superfluous man (characters like Pechorin, Onegin, Chulkaturin or Rudin are superfluous men) and the political and ideological times in russia were changing when Oblomov was published. The "new men" (the socialist/nihilists/progressivist russian intelligentsia of the 19th century) were trying to leave that kind of characters behind.
yeah, I also know Russian and learned it because of autistic obsession with their novelists. I’ve read Pushkin, Tolstoy, Dosto, Bulgakov, Lermontov, Chekhov, Turgenev, Gogol, Solzhenitsyn and Gorky. I also read poetry, mostly from Yesenin and Mayakovsky, because that was a good place to start for a Russian learner even though I’d never read them in English. I think it’s disingenuous to label Tolstoyevsky as babby’s first anything. Yes, admiration of them will lead you directly to Gogol and Turgenev in particular, but they were masters. I understand the point of view that Dostoyevsky is maybe overrated, one of the surprising things for me learning Russian was that Russians themselves see him as one of the masters, but he’s not anywhere near as revered as he is in the West. On the other hand, Russians love Chekhov and Pushkin almost above all others, yet in the West they’re not quite that celebrated.
I'm a lot older than you, have read a lot more than you, and can say as an authority on Great World Literature that it really doesn't get better than Tolstoy.
>What is it about Russian literature that makes it superior to every other literary culture on the planet?
Read other works.
what literature have you read from other cultures OP?
Their indomitable spirit.
One day world will uncover that the Russians were the good guys all this time. And russian literature is window to russian soul.
The coolest thing about this painting is that the figures in the foreground are pretty much life-sized, so people in the gallery viewing it look like part of the crowd. Repin is an absolute chad.
> What is it about Russian literature that makes it superior to every other literary culture on the planet?
It is written by Russians
Is it worth learning Russian just for the literature? I started during the ~~*lockdowns*~~, but fell off after picking Japanese back up.
I've read Resurrection by Tolstoy, pretty sure I got filtered though.
It will take a long time. I have Russian friends who know no English and have no intention of learning and yet I can talk with them just like any other friends, like joke around, discuss serious things, argue, all of that. I can consume Russian media with little effort as well. Since I’m anonymous I can be honest without caring if I sound like a gay: my Russian is better than most university educated foreigners and I’m told this constantly, I’m accused of LARPing on 2ch if I ever mention that I’m non Russian and a native English speaker, on language apps people are suspicious of me and need me to call them or send audio messages of me speaking Russian and also English so they can make sure I have an accent in Russian and my English sounds fluent. This took years and a lot of practice and yet when it comes to reading the novels in their original language, I can go at maybe 10-15 pages an hour maximum if I want to fully understand what’s being said, which means consulting wiktionary once every paragraph and trying to find the meanings of obscure idioms.
That's quite impressive. Are you entirely self taught, and if so, how did you practice? Did you just go full immersion with content like books and movies, and practice speaking?
>It will take a long time.
Not surprising, but if the authors mentioned in this thread are as good as they've been claimed to be, I wouldn't mind taking my time.
Yeah, entirely self-taught. I started with a book called New Penguin Beginner Russian. It gives you a really solid foundation of the language. I supplemented it with YouTube videos about the concepts I had just learned about in the book to make sure I understood. Russian is structured really logically, so by the end of it, you can look at any Russian sentence and know what every word is doing, what type of word it is and what case it is in, even if you don’t know the meaning of a single one of them. From then on I worked my way through a list of the most common Russian words (3,000 or so) while reading children’s stories and having really basic conversations on HelloTalk and shit like that. This was the hardest part by far. Getting to a vocabulary of around 10,000 words was just pure bruteforcing. A nice thing about Russian though is that at some point you know enough word roots and things to guess the meaning of 8/10 new words when you encounter them because they’ll literally mean shit like “nonwalkaroundable”.
But Russian literature is one of the few things in this world that can actually live up to your expectations, so don’t let that be a problem.
What I enjoyed about Russian when I was learning it over Japanese was the grammatical structure. You're right, even without knowing the meaning of the words, I could surmise the overall intent of the sentence. I'll give that book and the /lang/ thread in IQfy a look as well
>But Russian literature is one of the few things in this world that can actually live up to your expectations, so don’t let that be a problem.
Glad to hear that. It's good to have plenty of rich media to look forward to as I learn the language. Thanks for your insight and responses, Anon!
No problem anon. Уcпeхa.
Not superior, just decent. Considering that for most of history, literacy was widely distributed only among the clergy and there were no institutions such as European Universities in the country. And after Peter's reforms, the number of readers (not the population, but people who systematically read books) was small. With these factors in mind - a decent result.
Yes, I дyмaю, чтo имeю пpaвo этo гoвopить. Although I can consume all Russian literature in the original, my favorite writer is not Russian.
Try looking at Babel in the original and then in MacDuff's translation. I was surprised to see how helpless the translation looked. And this is a honored translator. By the way, Babel is just the case when I myself cannot say something or another expression means. Sounds cool, but means - "?" But this is modernist prose, and foreigners usually hang on to the classical one.
vocaroo this:
"Heвcкий Пpocпeкт oблaдaeт paзитeльным cвoйcтвoм: oн cocтoит из
пpocтpaнcтвa для циpкyляции пyблики; нyмepoвaнныe дoмa oгpaничивaют eгo;
нyмepaция идeт в пopядкe дoмoв -- и пoиcки нyжнoгo дoмa вecьмa oблeгчaютcя.
Heвcкий Пpocпeкт, кaк и вcякий пpocпeкт, ecть пyбличный пpocпeкт; тo ecть:
пpocпeкт для циpкyляции пyблики (нe вoздyхa, нaпpимep); oбpaзyющиe eгo
бoкoвыe гpaницы дoмa cyть -- гм... дa: ...для пyблики. Heвcкий Пpocпeкт пo
вeчepaм ocвeщaeтcя элeктpичecтвoм. Днeм жe Heвcкий Пpocпeкт нe тpeбyeт
ocвeщeния."
just wonder what you sound like, no harsh judgements
I've seen this cope around here before, depression hitting you again?
Its just exotic enough to not be familiar, but its written by whites so its top tier. You can find literature on the same level in any of the big european empires, but Russian literature is written from the viewpoint of total losers(the writers of the most backwards white empire).
It's hilarious how this thread would be 90% agreement with 3 or 5 years ago, but because the sheep have been riled up about Ukraine they deny this basic fact with their trite ridicule. Russian literature is good because it involves actual people with actual suffering, there are no stakes in the west because the worst thing that can happen to you is mediocrity, in Russia you pray for mediocrity while doing slave labor in the arctic.
I doubt people on IQfy care enough about current events to alter their opinions
It emerged at the right time with the right conditions. Feudalism, Christianity, Napoleon’s invasion and loss, the end of feudalism, the vast diverse regions, etc led to some very unique literature
It's real as frick. When you read Russian literature it's like you're reading about real life. Their understanding of life and human psychology is uncompromising.
started reading the idiot the other recently
that first ferdychenko scene was fricking gold
>be me
>open door
>push head through door to see prince but not enter
>enter
>force him to take seat
>introduce myself and ask for money
>tell the prince how shit his paper money is
>tell him to not give me money
>tell him Im not going to pay rent
>tell him he'll see and hear the general
>ask him if it's easy to go around the world being called ferdychenko
>goodbye
>leave.
is he /our guy/ right?
The same reason that the hundred schools of thought developed during the warring states continue to dunk on people, an aristocratic society dissolving into chaos
>What is it about Russian literature that makes it superior to every other literary culture on the planet?
You should read more before making more stupid posts like this.