Antoninus Pius. Any other answer is a meme. Of central importance in the life of any monarch is succession. Some of even the most GOAT-tier emperors like Augustus fricked up the succession. Antoninus Pius chose Marcus Aurelius, another GOAT-tier emperor.
People think wars make a good ruler. Nonsense. A leader who can effectively manage a long peace is better than one who can effectively manage a war.
I really disagree, while he wasn't a bad emperor, Antonius Pius' disregard for any military action put the empire in a terrible situation just a few years after his death.
He didn't disregard military action, he just appointed capable governors. If you're talking about the Parthian War after his death, he retained Armenia as a puppet state. Parthia invaded it, it wasn't Antoninus' fault. What he did do is make one of the best succession choices of any Roman emperor and bully Marcus Aurelius to succeed him.
But during his reign he developed lots of infrastructure and administered the empire more effectively than most, and there was a surplus of money when he died. Just because he wasn't spending money on armies and going off to fight wars of expansion all the time doesn't mean he wasn't the best emperor. I can't think of any other Roman emperor who received a healthy empire from his predecessor, create a peaceful golden age, and then leave it to someone capable of carrying on that golden age. Even the best ones, like Augustus, passed the empire on to moron degenerates who caused more problems than they solved.
>What he did do is make one of the best succession choices of any Roman emperor and bully Marcus Aurelius to succeed him.
That was Hadrian's doing, and Marcus had Lucius Verus as Co-Emperor which easily could have spun out into another round of Augustus vs Marc Antony tier civil war. Why does everyone fricking forget about Lucius Verus and his father? The original plan was for Lucius Verus The Elder to rule and raise Marcus as his heir, he died and Antoninus Pious filled the gap and ensured there was co-rulers to rule after he died or retired.
>I can't think of any other Roman emperor who received a healthy empire from his predecessor, create a peaceful golden age, and then leave it to someone capable of carrying on that golden age.
Anastasius left the Empire in extraordinarily prosperous Empire to Justin who died quickly and left it to Justinian. Justinian's reign starts going off the rails in 535 but its hard to expect any ruler of that time period to be able to juggle wars, drastic change in the climate caused by volcanic eruption; which lead to widespread famines, then a brand new ultra deadly plague killing a third or half of the population. There is just no way it could be successfully navigated, not even mega-mind tier rulers like Augustus could really do much better than what Justinian eeked out after these concurrent crisis.
>he adopted Antoninus Pius in 138 and nominated him as a successor, on the condition that Antoninus adopt Marcus Aurelius and Lucius Verus as his own heirs
Emperors are for women and gays (the latter often quite literally), Republican Rome is better and the best of their leaders was probably Washington, after all he's one of the founders of the Roman revival.
>Think democracy and republican government are the same >Think he doesn't live in a democracy because he win elections due to being unpopular
Dunno what you mean - all the people I vote for get elected
This, Cato essentially built his career on being a Roman tradLARPer and counter signaling/undermining Ceasar. The moment Ceasar crossed the rubicon and called his and people stopped listening to him he lost all composure and cried and pissed and shitted and cumed his way into disembowelment.
Keep seething from whatever irrelevant "country" you fester in. Eurogays (I'm guessing you're a eurogay since you're this asshurt about the U.S.) just can't cope with their utterly impotent status on the world stage.
>defendenda
What? Are the women defending the constitution? Am I moronic?
Also fellow Romaboos, I need some Rome content to consoom. I'm tired of rewatching HBO's Rome and I, Claudius for the 200th time. Anybody got any shows or movies worth watching?
Wait, isn't that right? It's not "Constitutio defendendo est" or "Constitutia defendenda est", I don't think. Someone who knows Latin, care to intervene?
No actually I think you're right and I'm moronic. It's like "Carthago delenda est". I'm pretty sure the verbs don't have to agree with the subject on anything other than amounts, so if you said something like "Constitutio et traditio defendenda est", I think the defendenda would have to change in some way.
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Anonymous
Thanks. You had me spooked there a second. I got that years ago from a dude who actually formally learned Latin, and you made me almost have a crisis there about how many other botched translations I might've unknowingly accepted had it been wrong. I think I used the same classic Carthago example you stated as my basis, and I don't remember what I originally wrote, but he corrected whatever it was and gave me "defendena est" with the masculine "constitution" unchanged.
Constitution is feminine, just like Carthago, so it's "Constitutio defenda est". Verbal nouns, that is, participle, gerund and gerundive, have to agree with the noun in gender, number and case. Ex: "Interfecimus fugientes gallons" = "we killed the gauls that were escaping", both the noun and the participle are masculine plurals accusative.
Also Constitutio doesn't mean constitution in Latin, because the republic didn't have a proper constitution in the modern sense. It means either constitution as in the constitution of a body, or organization, arrangement.
TL:DR stop posting and pick up some books.
>He was a literal cuck
Why do morons believe everything they read? That anecdote come from the Historia Augusta, an it-was-revealed-to-me-in-a-dream-tier source.
Gonna have to say the underrated goat: Domitian, Drilled his army constantly, was the only emperor to improve the silver value in the currency, built defences across the germanic border and most importantly scorned the senate, what's not to love?
Based. Everytime I think of Claudius I think of the Oracle from "I, Claudius" calling him >Clau-Clau-Claudius
In the most authoritative and deliberate tone. Frickin kino
It would be Hadrian.
It's too bad this whole burning Israel shit never happened.
The whole narrative comes from post 11th century fictional books attributed to a supposed ancient historian.
We have no evidence for an ancient "Israel", even.
Everything good about Claudius' reign is overwritten by his marriage to Agrippina, a decision that would turn out to be the end of the Julio-Claudians and eventually lead to civil war. If he'd listened to his single most competent statesman and the guy who saved him from being couped and just remarried Paetina things might have turned out different.
It's honestly impressive how Roman women managed to frick up so much. Roman civilization despite being fairly redpilled on women still suffered immensely because of them.
>The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded. Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.
Really makes you think...
You can probably blame Tiberius for Agrippina though. The children of Germanicus were all well and truly fricked in the head, probably because of spending their entire lives paranoid in fear over their insane and vengeful uncle.
That Persian invasion is probably the single stupidest, most pointless and poorly planned and Quixotic military campaign in all of Roman history as well.
>That Persian invasion is probably the single stupidest, most pointless and poorly planned and Quixotic military campaign in all of Roman history as well.
Worse than Severus Alexander's Persian campaign?
>When he reached Vienne (Vienna), people of all ages and classes ran to greet his arrival as an answer to their prayers; they believed in his lucky star, and when they caught sight of him in the distance the whole population, reinforced from the country round about, went before him, chanting the praises of the gracious commander who would bring them prosperity. They gazed the more eagerly on his royal pomp because he was a lawful prince; they saw in his arrival the remedy for all their troubles, and felt that a guardian angel had appeared to shed light on their lamentable situation. It was on this occasion that a blind old woman asked who had arrived, and being told that it was the Caesar Julian, cried out: ‘This is the man who will restore the temples of the gods.’
>When he reached Vienne (Vienna), people of all ages and classes ran to greet his arrival as an answer to their prayers; they believed in his lucky star, and when they caught sight of him in the distance the whole population, reinforced from the country round about, went before him, chanting the praises of the gracious commander who would bring them prosperity. They gazed the more eagerly on his royal pomp because he was a lawful prince; they saw in his arrival the remedy for all their troubles, and felt that a guardian angel had appeared to shed light on their lamentable situation. It was on this occasion that a blind old woman asked who had arrived, and being told that it was the Caesar Julian, cried out: ‘This is the man who will restore the temples of the gods.’
Julian the Apostate is the most overrated meme by neopagan homosexuals and fedoras. The guy was constantly seething and sending cringe letters to cities for disliking his autism, even pagans thought he was a moronic loon. The guy completely obliterated the imperial revenues by handing away the emperor’s estates, and mercifully for Rome he died in a pointless invasion of Persia that there was nothing to gain long term from. Frick’s sake he wasn’t even the “HECKIN BASED WHITE SAVIOR” neopagans wish. The guy was a massive globohomosexual cuk who whines about Christianity being intolerant, constantly shat on Western European citizens (despite them being the only real pagan support he had left), and only cared about the Greek east. Outside the battle of Strasbourg he did nothing of value.
>most overrated meme by neopagan homosexuals and fedoras
christcuck seethe
literal superior intellectual who recognized the damage christianity was doing to the empire. He probably would have won the invasion of Persia if it wasn't for him being such an enormous chad that he wouldn't let his men fight without him, or the betrayal.
>globohomosexual cuk
Thats christianity, a religion spread between slaves and women
Stoics (and also Aurelius) think that everyone is going to die someday, so grieving for them is useless and you should not feel bad about anybody close to you dying. At most you should honour them for what they were like in life.
Wasn't there one at one point named like "Maximus Thrax" who was literally like almost 8 feet tall, and actually athletic at least in his youth, to the point of being able to outrun chariots and shit, and that was actually HOW he even became Emperor?
I swear to God, it sounds like the stupidest made-up shit ever, but I think it might actually be a "truth stranger than fiction" deal.
Like trust me, if I wanted to just make up some stupid shit, I'd make up something better than that shit.
Maximus Thrax is my favorite meme emperor. If he wasn't such a homosexual and didn't get murdered he probably would've moved the capital to Londinium; removing the capital from continental distractions like barbarian incursions; giving the empire the same advantages of gaining the space to, in relative peace, develop and grow that would eventually lead to perfidious albinon's global rule.
For me, it's a really tough call between Elagabalus and Julian the Philosopher.
Elagabalus Because of his myriad of interesting quirks but also because of the mystery in trying to separate the real man from the caricature of ancient sources. And Julian, obviously, is just a really inspirational figure. He grew up reading books and studying, but really took to military life when Constantius II forced him into it, and his high-minded ideas and fun written work.
I guess I'll give it to Elagabalus, just about, because I've studied him more.
Both his father and grandfather were objectively better
Possibly even also his great grandfather
FPBP
Augustulus.
Aurelian
where does this depiction of aurelian with a mask come from?
Total war rome 2 DLC
Unbiased History of Rome
Antoninus Pius. Any other answer is a meme. Of central importance in the life of any monarch is succession. Some of even the most GOAT-tier emperors like Augustus fricked up the succession. Antoninus Pius chose Marcus Aurelius, another GOAT-tier emperor.
People think wars make a good ruler. Nonsense. A leader who can effectively manage a long peace is better than one who can effectively manage a war.
I really disagree, while he wasn't a bad emperor, Antonius Pius' disregard for any military action put the empire in a terrible situation just a few years after his death.
He didn't disregard military action, he just appointed capable governors. If you're talking about the Parthian War after his death, he retained Armenia as a puppet state. Parthia invaded it, it wasn't Antoninus' fault. What he did do is make one of the best succession choices of any Roman emperor and bully Marcus Aurelius to succeed him.
But during his reign he developed lots of infrastructure and administered the empire more effectively than most, and there was a surplus of money when he died. Just because he wasn't spending money on armies and going off to fight wars of expansion all the time doesn't mean he wasn't the best emperor. I can't think of any other Roman emperor who received a healthy empire from his predecessor, create a peaceful golden age, and then leave it to someone capable of carrying on that golden age. Even the best ones, like Augustus, passed the empire on to moron degenerates who caused more problems than they solved.
>What he did do is make one of the best succession choices of any Roman emperor and bully Marcus Aurelius to succeed him.
That was Hadrian's doing, and Marcus had Lucius Verus as Co-Emperor which easily could have spun out into another round of Augustus vs Marc Antony tier civil war. Why does everyone fricking forget about Lucius Verus and his father? The original plan was for Lucius Verus The Elder to rule and raise Marcus as his heir, he died and Antoninus Pious filled the gap and ensured there was co-rulers to rule after he died or retired.
>I can't think of any other Roman emperor who received a healthy empire from his predecessor, create a peaceful golden age, and then leave it to someone capable of carrying on that golden age.
Anastasius left the Empire in extraordinarily prosperous Empire to Justin who died quickly and left it to Justinian. Justinian's reign starts going off the rails in 535 but its hard to expect any ruler of that time period to be able to juggle wars, drastic change in the climate caused by volcanic eruption; which lead to widespread famines, then a brand new ultra deadly plague killing a third or half of the population. There is just no way it could be successfully navigated, not even mega-mind tier rulers like Augustus could really do much better than what Justinian eeked out after these concurrent crisis.
>he adopted Antoninus Pius in 138 and nominated him as a successor, on the condition that Antoninus adopt Marcus Aurelius and Lucius Verus as his own heirs
So it wasnt even his choice.
based
Romulus Augustus
Emperors are for women and gays (the latter often quite literally), Republican Rome is better and the best of their leaders was probably Washington, after all he's one of the founders of the Roman revival.
>he thinks he lives on a democracy
>Think democracy and republican government are the same
>Think he doesn't live in a democracy because he win elections due to being unpopular
Dunno what you mean - all the people I vote for get elected
Yeah but do you vote for Jeff Bezos or whoever is the president of the Washington Post?
I like Jeff Bezos though
Yeah this about sums up Americans.
cringe burgoid
>Bring up the Roman Republic
>Don't mention CATO
You had one job
Uh guys I think Cato got the Pfizer jab.
Cato is a homosexual who did nothing successfully except die. He is one of the worst leaders of the late republic.
Imagine being this wrong; even Caesar couldn't get over his death
Because Caesar was a baby who wanted to pardon everyone. Augustus would have just had him stabbed to death and said "oopsie"
This, Cato essentially built his career on being a Roman tradLARPer and counter signaling/undermining Ceasar. The moment Ceasar crossed the rubicon and called his and people stopped listening to him he lost all composure and cried and pissed and shitted and cumed his way into disembowelment.
called his bluff*
Cicero>Cato
>Cincinnatus
>Cincinnatus
>Cincinnatus
>after all he's one of the founders of the Roman revival.
what is the renaissance you fricking illiterate burgermutt
You already posted him
Based for me it's Cato (the younger)
>Mongrel filth trying to reconcile his meager existence as nothing but a shadow of Rome in real time
Beautiful.
Keep seething from whatever irrelevant "country" you fester in. Eurogays (I'm guessing you're a eurogay since you're this asshurt about the U.S.) just can't cope with their utterly impotent status on the world stage.
American here
I actively work towards destroying this country
holy fricking based
Why'd you have to go and associate Washington with your dumbfrick post?
Unfathomably based.
>starts war that causes the English to raise taxes then leads the rebellion against the taxes
Frick emperors.
Constitutio defendenda est.
Yeah next time the Senate eats dinner together I think Im gonna frick this guy’s wife first
>defendenda
What? Are the women defending the constitution? Am I moronic?
Also fellow Romaboos, I need some Rome content to consoom. I'm tired of rewatching HBO's Rome and I, Claudius for the 200th time. Anybody got any shows or movies worth watching?
> I need some Rome content to consoom
Give me liberty by B Reeves Eason is a neat short film.
Thanks for the suggestion but I was wanting some Greco-Roman content, not modern republicuck propaganda.
Wait, isn't that right? It's not "Constitutio defendendo est" or "Constitutia defendenda est", I don't think. Someone who knows Latin, care to intervene?
No actually I think you're right and I'm moronic. It's like "Carthago delenda est". I'm pretty sure the verbs don't have to agree with the subject on anything other than amounts, so if you said something like "Constitutio et traditio defendenda est", I think the defendenda would have to change in some way.
Thanks. You had me spooked there a second. I got that years ago from a dude who actually formally learned Latin, and you made me almost have a crisis there about how many other botched translations I might've unknowingly accepted had it been wrong. I think I used the same classic Carthago example you stated as my basis, and I don't remember what I originally wrote, but he corrected whatever it was and gave me "defendena est" with the masculine "constitution" unchanged.
Constitution is feminine, just like Carthago, so it's "Constitutio defenda est". Verbal nouns, that is, participle, gerund and gerundive, have to agree with the noun in gender, number and case. Ex: "Interfecimus fugientes gallons" = "we killed the gauls that were escaping", both the noun and the participle are masculine plurals accusative.
Also Constitutio doesn't mean constitution in Latin, because the republic didn't have a proper constitution in the modern sense. It means either constitution as in the constitution of a body, or organization, arrangement.
TL:DR stop posting and pick up some books.
1. Hadrian
2. Marcus Aurelius
3. Claudius
He was a homosexual.
>Marcus Aurelius
He was a literal cuck and a pseudointellectual.
>He was a literal cuck
Why do morons believe everything they read? That anecdote come from the Historia Augusta, an it-was-revealed-to-me-in-a-dream-tier source.
Tell me you haven't read Marcus Aurelius without actually telling me you haven't read him
Oh wait you already did lol
Charlemagne
/our guy/, claudius.
Aurelian is the only serious answer
His religion sucked.
Majorian
why are people disagreeing and saying "this is the only correct answer". OP says "favourite".
is this board really that dumb?
Where do you think we are?
Caesar
This
Gonna have to say the underrated goat: Domitian, Drilled his army constantly, was the only emperor to improve the silver value in the currency, built defences across the germanic border and most importantly scorned the senate, what's not to love?
C-Cl-Clau-C-Claudius
Based. Everytime I think of Claudius I think of the Oracle from "I, Claudius" calling him
>Clau-Clau-Claudius
In the most authoritative and deliberate tone. Frickin kino
my favourites are the biggest morons
1. Pertinax
2. Honorius
3. Aurelian
Nikephoros II Phokas
Aurelian was a petard? Really makes ya think
>Aurelian was a petard? Really makes ya think
the truth hurts, my friend.
The chad Gallienus of course
It would be Hadrian.
It's too bad this whole burning Israel shit never happened.
The whole narrative comes from post 11th century fictional books attributed to a supposed ancient historian.
We have no evidence for an ancient "Israel", even.
Bible
Source?
Henricus Plantagenet Secundus
Otto the Great
Only right answer
Literally /our/ guy.
Everything good about Claudius' reign is overwritten by his marriage to Agrippina, a decision that would turn out to be the end of the Julio-Claudians and eventually lead to civil war. If he'd listened to his single most competent statesman and the guy who saved him from being couped and just remarried Paetina things might have turned out different.
It's honestly impressive how Roman women managed to frick up so much. Roman civilization despite being fairly redpilled on women still suffered immensely because of them.
>The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded. Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.
Really makes you think...
You can probably blame Tiberius for Agrippina though. The children of Germanicus were all well and truly fricked in the head, probably because of spending their entire lives paranoid in fear over their insane and vengeful uncle.
That Persian invasion is probably the single stupidest, most pointless and poorly planned and Quixotic military campaign in all of Roman history as well.
>That Persian invasion is probably the single stupidest, most pointless and poorly planned and Quixotic military campaign in all of Roman history as well.
Worse than Severus Alexander's Persian campaign?
A personal hero of mine.
>When he reached Vienne (Vienna), people of all ages and classes ran to greet his arrival as an answer to their prayers; they believed in his lucky star, and when they caught sight of him in the distance the whole population, reinforced from the country round about, went before him, chanting the praises of the gracious commander who would bring them prosperity. They gazed the more eagerly on his royal pomp because he was a lawful prince; they saw in his arrival the remedy for all their troubles, and felt that a guardian angel had appeared to shed light on their lamentable situation. It was on this occasion that a blind old woman asked who had arrived, and being told that it was the Caesar Julian, cried out: ‘This is the man who will restore the temples of the gods.’
the Gore Vidal book is good. Shows him as a bit of a moron but he goes out on his own terms after getting stabbed in the side
Julian the Apostate is the most overrated meme by neopagan homosexuals and fedoras. The guy was constantly seething and sending cringe letters to cities for disliking his autism, even pagans thought he was a moronic loon. The guy completely obliterated the imperial revenues by handing away the emperor’s estates, and mercifully for Rome he died in a pointless invasion of Persia that there was nothing to gain long term from. Frick’s sake he wasn’t even the “HECKIN BASED WHITE SAVIOR” neopagans wish. The guy was a massive globohomosexual cuk who whines about Christianity being intolerant, constantly shat on Western European citizens (despite them being the only real pagan support he had left), and only cared about the Greek east. Outside the battle of Strasbourg he did nothing of value.
>moron christcuck take
>most overrated meme by neopagan homosexuals and fedoras
christcuck seethe
literal superior intellectual who recognized the damage christianity was doing to the empire. He probably would have won the invasion of Persia if it wasn't for him being such an enormous chad that he wouldn't let his men fight without him, or the betrayal.
>globohomosexual cuk
Thats christianity, a religion spread between slaves and women
>Invade persia
>Burn your supply fleet because
>"Look guyz im just like alexander guyz im a based pagan too!"
What an enormous loser lmao
>The guy
That is Emperor Julian.
On your knees pleb!
Holy shit get off /misc/.
the one in op for obvious reasons
Julius Gaius Caesar
STFU he was the de facto first roman emperor
by that logic Sulla was the first emperor
not that homosexual pederast hadrian, that's for sure
1) Julian
2) Aurelian
3) Valentinian I
Imagine he had finished his job
It's a three way tie between Caligula, Domitian, and Caracalla
In my heart Flavius Valerius Crispus son of Constantinus
Emperor sneed
My wife
Marcvs Avrelivs
how do you interpret this for something like serious emotional pain?
like lose of a family member or something
Probably just find some other quote about greif cause that one doesn't really fit
Stoics (and also Aurelius) think that everyone is going to die someday, so grieving for them is useless and you should not feel bad about anybody close to you dying. At most you should honour them for what they were like in life.
Maximinus I Thrax because he has the coolest name
His awful marriage aside, for me its Claudius; king of the based morons
The Caesar was literally a god among mortals
Wasn't there one at one point named like "Maximus Thrax" who was literally like almost 8 feet tall, and actually athletic at least in his youth, to the point of being able to outrun chariots and shit, and that was actually HOW he even became Emperor?
I swear to God, it sounds like the stupidest made-up shit ever, but I think it might actually be a "truth stranger than fiction" deal.
Like trust me, if I wanted to just make up some stupid shit, I'd make up something better than that shit.
Maximus Thrax is my favorite meme emperor. If he wasn't such a homosexual and didn't get murdered he probably would've moved the capital to Londinium; removing the capital from continental distractions like barbarian incursions; giving the empire the same advantages of gaining the space to, in relative peace, develop and grow that would eventually lead to perfidious albinon's global rule.
romul ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*:
What Majorian did with what little ressources he had was incredible
For me, it's a really tough call between Elagabalus and Julian the Philosopher.
Elagabalus Because of his myriad of interesting quirks but also because of the mystery in trying to separate the real man from the caricature of ancient sources. And Julian, obviously, is just a really inspirational figure. He grew up reading books and studying, but really took to military life when Constantius II forced him into it, and his high-minded ideas and fun written work.
I guess I'll give it to Elagabalus, just about, because I've studied him more.