>troony Black persontalking
I called you both as troony and Black folk, therefore I'm the winner of this written contest 🙂 >which side are you defending?
This matters?
Being able to roll back when shit breaks.
Being able to have different system specializations that you can switch between (no I won't describe it, look it up)
Being able to save your entire system configuration in a Git repo and have it be 100% reproducible
Being able to access over 80k packages (picrel mogs even AUR)
And most importantly:
Being able to access a community that filters out the stupid Gentoo/Arch tutorial users that learn how to partition and mount a drive and think that makes them "Expert Linux Users" when they don't actually know even the basics of how their OS works.
Honestly that last part is pretty dope. Whenever I went to the Gentoo or Arch forums it would just be a huge bombardment of things like "WAAAH I SET UP LUKS AND I CAN'T LOGIN ANYMORE HELP ME I NEED THIS NOW" but the NixOS chat is more like "Yo, why isn't this overrideAttr working on this package" and then K900 says "Here's the exact fricking thing you need to fix this in your system immediately. I've created an MR that patches it here and it will be available in nixpkgs-unstable without a patch in 6 hours from now"
God I fricking love the NixOS community. I really hope it doesn't get flooded with the Arch/Gentoo users.
>Being able to roll back when shit breaks
i have backups >Being able to have different system specializations that you can switch between
ok good. but i dont need it >Being able to save your entire system configuration in a Git repo and have it be 100% reproducible
i dont see the point unless youre reinstalling your system everyday or using it to setup on 1000 other cumputers >Being able to access over 80k packages
dont care. gentoo repo has all the packages i care about. plus i get the customizability of portage. plus its incredibly easy to patch packages or create your own local repository(both of which nixos can do anyway) >Being able to access a community that filters out the stupid Gentoo/Arch tutorial users that learn how to partition and mount a drive and think that makes them "Expert Linux Users" when they don't actually know even the basics of how their OS works
ironic considering learning nix language doesnt make you any better anyway. youre living in a world of delusions.
Everything youve mentioned except a single point(which most users dont really care about) has been very superficial.
2 months ago
Anonymous
> I don't understand it therefore I don't need it therefore I don't want to understand it therefore I don't want to use it therefore I don't need to understand it therefore I won't use it therefore...
You can just call yourself a Ubuntu user and leave the thread if you want. Nobody is stopping you from using your shitty distribution.
2 months ago
Anonymous
all you can do is resort to name calling instead of addressing any of my points
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's because your "points" can be basically summarized with "Okay, but I don't care about anything" and honestly that kind of ironically is what I absolutely hate about the Arch/Gentoo communities to begin with.
If you want to engage in conversation with someone by saying "ok good. but i dont need it" then how about you look here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/
>80k packages >most are python packages inflating the number >because you can't just run binaries... you just can't ok?!
Well meme'd but nix gets mogged by proper distros.
I was going to say I dont like compiling everything, but I already compile shit as is. I just might. The gentoo repo is more curated than the AUR, right?
Gentoo doesn't need to do anything special to make reproducible builds work. Just set your CFLAGS right.
You may need to apply whatever patches Debian is applying too but at the end of the day when you control your toolchain then it does not matter if binaries don't always contain the same bit-for-bit identical output.
If you're concerned about a piece of software then you probably shouldn't be compiling it in the first place. The ability to reproduce its binary isn't going to help you.
I did install Gentoo multiple times in the past before I realized it and gave up on it for good. Never looked back. Ironically, most people nowadays who insist on "installing Gentoo" only do so from at least a stage3 tarball, which is far less time-consuming than the OG stage1 install. It's clear that Gentoo developers, while not smart enough to realize that the installation process can be automated, at least were smart enough to realize that bootstrapping so much stuff is pointless.
Unless you have unusual hardware and very specific software needs, don't bother with Gentoo and stick to a simple binary-based distribution. You can still compile from source when and if you need it.
>you can still compile from source when and if you need it
One should be able to easily add their own local repositories of software, preferably have the build process be containerized for easier reproduction, be able to install from the repos as if they're binary repos.
Then you can literally add anything missing from the official repos. You say "if", but the time always comes when it comes to "when" if you're a developer (one of the groups actually benefiting most from running a linux distro instead of windows).
The people that use gentoo give me the ick
show bob and vegina
Because my OS already mogs your OS
Immutable is a meme
> Y-y-your OS is a MEME HA GOTTEM
Nice try IQfyentooman, but I quoted you in a mocking tone and therefore I am the winner of this verbal contest 🙂
Try again next time my fellow shitposter.
>troony Black persontalking
I called you both as troony and Black folk, therefore I'm the winner of this written contest 🙂
>which side are you defending?
This matters?
What makes it mog Gentoo?
what makes it superior to gentoo? i'll tell you. it has 0 Black folk.
there's many Black folk who've installed gentoo. while there's no Black folk who've managed to install nixos.
>while there's no Black folk who've managed to install nixos.
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Tough luck, chuddie!
Being able to roll back when shit breaks.
Being able to have different system specializations that you can switch between (no I won't describe it, look it up)
Being able to save your entire system configuration in a Git repo and have it be 100% reproducible
Being able to access over 80k packages (picrel mogs even AUR)
And most importantly:
Being able to access a community that filters out the stupid Gentoo/Arch tutorial users that learn how to partition and mount a drive and think that makes them "Expert Linux Users" when they don't actually know even the basics of how their OS works.
Honestly that last part is pretty dope. Whenever I went to the Gentoo or Arch forums it would just be a huge bombardment of things like "WAAAH I SET UP LUKS AND I CAN'T LOGIN ANYMORE HELP ME I NEED THIS NOW" but the NixOS chat is more like "Yo, why isn't this overrideAttr working on this package" and then K900 says "Here's the exact fricking thing you need to fix this in your system immediately. I've created an MR that patches it here and it will be available in nixpkgs-unstable without a patch in 6 hours from now"
God I fricking love the NixOS community. I really hope it doesn't get flooded with the Arch/Gentoo users.
tl;dr
couldn't you stick to a simpler format?
Understandable, thanks for explanation.
you read all that? you aren't fooling anybody.
Actually did yeah.
no one here actually believes you. if they
>Being able to roll back when shit breaks
i have backups
>Being able to have different system specializations that you can switch between
ok good. but i dont need it
>Being able to save your entire system configuration in a Git repo and have it be 100% reproducible
i dont see the point unless youre reinstalling your system everyday or using it to setup on 1000 other cumputers
>Being able to access over 80k packages
dont care. gentoo repo has all the packages i care about. plus i get the customizability of portage. plus its incredibly easy to patch packages or create your own local repository(both of which nixos can do anyway)
>Being able to access a community that filters out the stupid Gentoo/Arch tutorial users that learn how to partition and mount a drive and think that makes them "Expert Linux Users" when they don't actually know even the basics of how their OS works
ironic considering learning nix language doesnt make you any better anyway. youre living in a world of delusions.
Everything youve mentioned except a single point(which most users dont really care about) has been very superficial.
> I don't understand it therefore I don't need it therefore I don't want to understand it therefore I don't want to use it therefore I don't need to understand it therefore I won't use it therefore...
You can just call yourself a Ubuntu user and leave the thread if you want. Nobody is stopping you from using your shitty distribution.
all you can do is resort to name calling instead of addressing any of my points
That's because your "points" can be basically summarized with "Okay, but I don't care about anything" and honestly that kind of ironically is what I absolutely hate about the Arch/Gentoo communities to begin with.
If you want to engage in conversation with someone by saying "ok good. but i dont need it" then how about you look here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/
Specifically click on the "Newbie Corner"
>the stupid Gentoo/Arch tutorial users that learn how to partition and mount a drive
You are being generous. They copy and paste commands from a wiki.
>80k packages
>most are python packages inflating the number
>because you can't just run binaries... you just can't ok?!
Well meme'd but nix gets mogged by proper distros.
oh sisy boy you clearly dont know what gentoo can offer, come here let me show you...
Yea, I've used Gentoo for a total of 7 years and I'm over it.
NixOS is my friend now.
it literally doesnt tho
it does tho and you are a complete moron.
NixOS is an amazing solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
Gentoo is an awful solution for a problem that does exist.
Artix
Why should I install it?
exherbo
How is it? I had it in my mind for a while now.
Healthy BMI
I've already been using it for 20 years.
Probably, time. I am already happy with my Arch installation.
I don't need too, I already can auto troubleshoot my Ubuntu.
windows is better at troubleshooting. you're missing out by using ubuntu. install windows.
lmao
Nice try uncle Gates. I still like my Ubuntu, riced and just werking.
No use case
i don't want to wait 2 hours to compile chromium
>2 hour
Positive assumption.
Use firefox or a variant of it instead.
you must have an awesome computer to build chromium is a mere 2 hours
Enable LTO to make it compile faster
Just the irony. You need a good cpu (hardware) to install this supposedly minimal OS
gentoos main focus has always been customizability. you get a system to how you want it to be. it has nothing to do with minimalism.
You can do that on any distro. Why would you care about loss if you have hardware already that good enough
I have a life.
I don't need it
path of exile
I want to spend my time elsewhere
same thing as from any other linux: lack of software
I was going to say I dont like compiling everything, but I already compile shit as is. I just might. The gentoo repo is more curated than the AUR, right?
Nothing.
Instead of prioritizing reproducible builds they went for binary support.
Gentoo smells like glowies these days.
Gentoo doesn't need to do anything special to make reproducible builds work. Just set your CFLAGS right.
You may need to apply whatever patches Debian is applying too but at the end of the day when you control your toolchain then it does not matter if binaries don't always contain the same bit-for-bit identical output.
If you're concerned about a piece of software then you probably shouldn't be compiling it in the first place. The ability to reproduce its binary isn't going to help you.
Cope
>no reproducible/bootstrappable builds = toy meme distro
Shrimple as
You can reproduce it (use the same CFLAGS to unsure a reproducible build and apply any necessary patches), the question is why do you need to?
Other reproducible distros aren't actually reproducible anyway. They lie to you. None of them are 100% reproducible.
I'm too dumb to set gentoo + xorg stuff up
>What is preventing you from installing it?
A well functioning brain.
i can't even get windows 10 to work fricking properly, if i install linux its just going to be over.
The fact that it's nothing but a waste of time.
I did install Gentoo multiple times in the past before I realized it and gave up on it for good. Never looked back. Ironically, most people nowadays who insist on "installing Gentoo" only do so from at least a stage3 tarball, which is far less time-consuming than the OG stage1 install. It's clear that Gentoo developers, while not smart enough to realize that the installation process can be automated, at least were smart enough to realize that bootstrapping so much stuff is pointless.
Unless you have unusual hardware and very specific software needs, don't bother with Gentoo and stick to a simple binary-based distribution. You can still compile from source when and if you need it.
>you can still compile from source when and if you need it
One should be able to easily add their own local repositories of software, preferably have the build process be containerized for easier reproduction, be able to install from the repos as if they're binary repos.
Then you can literally add anything missing from the official repos. You say "if", but the time always comes when it comes to "when" if you're a developer (one of the groups actually benefiting most from running a linux distro instead of windows).
Because Ubuntu works perfectly fine :^)
Dont want to spend all day every time i need to update the system
If you use the binary package updates then you don't need to.
If you have a good CPU though then package updates hardly take all day to compile outside of a few really heavy packages.
1.44GHz x5-Z8350 Intel® Atom
Gentoo (and Arch) answer a question:
"What's it like to be young & have no future?"
Lack of energy.