Considering discoveries, contributions, influence, culture, sports, etc etc.
Do not take into account the success of people from other countries in said countries, for example ethnic Germans in Russia, that is, only taking into account the contributions of Slavic people
Statistically, probably one of the balkan countries. Takes a few good minds to amp up the numbers per capita.
But Ukraine did mch of the heavy lifting during USSR
Russia obv is big and there have been big names from there, but it's too young of a country to call many of it's great minds of the past "Russians"
I think Slovenia has the highest GDP per capita of Slavic states. Russia is obviously the only one of relevance though. And honorable mention to Poland, they contributed a lot to western civilization that isn’t appreciated (though how much of that was Polish israelites is another question).
Poland or Russia
Russia, how is this even a question.
>how is this even a question
This is the most moronic board, that's how.
Yes, but statistically it is not the case.
In pure quantity we could say that it is true but we must consider that Russia is much larger (by several dozen) larger than other Slavic ethnic peoples, in addition, Russia has passed off contributions from other ethnic peoples as its own, in addition to stealing things that properly are not from the Russian people.
Per capita it should be 1.- Czechs, 2.- Poland or Ukraine 3.- Russia and from there onwards the rest of the Balkan countries that are non-existent and the most relevant thing that has happened to them has been Nikola Tesla and the Yugoslav team.
And finally Slovakia.
>1.- Czechs,
all their contributions were made by germans
>2.- Poland or Ukraine
this has to be a fricking bait
>all their contributions were made by germans
Czechs are the same blood as their ancestors, the only difference is the communist era slavication programme, the people used to speak a lot more German before.
>the only difference is the communist era slavication programme, the people used to speak a lot more German before
You've got your history mixed up. Current Czech culture is a result of the 18th and especially 19th century national revival (a response to 17th century's germanization) as well as Masaryk's First Republic. Communism has nothing to do with it.
It was called Bohemia until 1918. You're proposing a revisionist narrative.
>And finally Slovakia
Slovakia is a hard one to evaluate. Yes, they’re far less influential and successful in terms of inventions and so on compared to the big three: Poland, Czechia, and Russia. But the sense I get from Slovak history is that the moment anyone moves up the ranks or becomes literate, important, or influential up until 1850 or so, they get cooped into being Hungarian. Please understand that when I say that, I’m not saying Hungarians are stealing national figures, absolutely not; I’m saying that the people themselves identified with the Kingdom of Hungary. They end up speaking Hungarian and mixing with Hungarian society and their ethnic background becomes obscure or unimportant. One intellectual born in Slovakia said it best: “I’m Slovak by language, German by culture, and Hungarian by citizenship.” It’s really hard to separate the two and there’s no clear line because it wasn’t as much of a big deal back then, like it is now. Being loyal to one crown was the important thing.
To further illustrate my point, another example other than Bernolák’s quote. Matthias Bél, an important priest, historian, and geogrpaher, born to Slovak parents, described himself like this: “by language a Slovak, by nation a Hungarian, and by erudition a German.”
So, it’s very complicated. Slovaks should really be viewed as junior (not equal) partners to most Hungarian achievements.
Why tf are you giving unbiased and sensible opinion on IQfy?
I don’t know, but I’m glad someone thinks it was a reasonable take.
>most relevant thing that has happened to them has been Nikola Tesla
Tesla would not even be remebered if not for the Austro-Hungarian education system. It's honestly an embarrassment for both Croatia and Serbs, the fact that they haven't produced another Tesla in 100 years just proves that they could only do well under Habsburg rule and their whole chimpout was for nothing.
>the fact that they haven't produced another Tesla in 100 years
Nobody has produced another genius in the past century though. Like who's the most recent "genius inventor" from any country?
>Nobody has produced another genius in the past century though.
Huge fricking cope lol.
> Like who's the most recent "genius inventor" from any country?
Genius in general Witten, Scholze, Tao, Higgs, inventor in particular Le Cunn, Hinton, Musk (yes many of the ideas are his), Nakamura etc.
Poles contributed to Western civilization and has always had someone decent development and living standards except during the cold war. What did Russia give us besides furs, communism and poverty?
the topic is about historic succes, not their contribution to western civilization, which are two completely different things
considering the Polish king at one was de facto handpicked by the Russian tsa, and the commonwealth latter partitioned, this is rather funny to read
>the topic is about historic succes, not their contribution to western civilization,
Western civilization is the only successful civilization (and the only surviving one having supplanted all else in the early modern era).
The only successful elements of Imperial Russia are due to what Peter introduced from the Christian West. Before it was a shithole constantly being raped by Mongols and Tartars.
>constantly being raped by Mongols and Tartars.
ignoring they (Eastern Slavs/Russians) got rid of them on their own?
>the Christian West
they were Christian before that already, what's your point?
Also
>implying there were no successful rulers before Peter the Westaboo
>ignoring they (Eastern Slavs/Russians) got rid of them on their own?
Balts are not Slavs. The momentum of the original horde was broken in Hungary, defeated in Austria and the later Golden Horde was broken by Lithuania and the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth reconquered the land they occupied. You are confused because later Peter defeated a bunch of unrelated Tartars.
>they were Christian before that already, what's your point?
If they weren't Christian then they would never have gotten access to Western technology which was the best in the world and would still be a medieval shithole no better than the old horde instead of becoming the superpower of the Steppe.
>implying there were no successful rulers before Peter the Westaboo
There was no successful Tsar of Russia before Peter who was literally the first Tsar.
You are very confused about Russian and Eastern European history in general.
Russia, Czech, Poland, Serbia(Nicola Tesla).
In this rough order of tiers of most influential to least it would be:
Russia
Poland
Czechia
Bulgaria
Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia
Ukraine (I honestly don’t know where to put Ukraine but it’s not that high)
Slovakia, Belarus, MonteBlack, Slovenia
After Russia, Poland, and Czechia, it’s a crapshoot and the only ones that were completely irrelevant historically are true bottom ones. And it’s not a dig on them; their populations are just so small that of course they’re not that influential.
Anything of note achieved by Bulgarians was before they became Slavic.
Why do the Slavs have to ruin everything? I don't think it's a coincidence that Hungary is the only country that is worth it in terms of contributions and culture regarding the entire East + Slavs of the Balkans.
Don't kid yourself, Hungary is Slavic in everything except grammar. Hungarians also had their best days before becoming weirdly speaking Slavs.
They aren't Slavic and trying to show a failed raiding campaign as the height of achievement is very pathetic.
>They aren't Slavic
So the Hungarians win this thread per capita?
There's 10 million Hungarians and only 80 posts in this thread so I'd say yes.
>They aren't Slavic
>They aren't Slavic
They aren't Slavic
>They aren't Slavic
1) Magyars aren't Slavic
2) Neither are Hungarians
Any other questions? Or do you want to be lectured on how PCA projections actually work?
Magyars cluster with surrounding Slavic nations on every single genetic analysis, on both maternal and paternal ancestry, this is very well known. There are tons of papers by Hungarian and non-Hungarian authors saying exactly this. There's a reason they look exactly the same as their neighbors. If you try to argue against this, you've already lost, because you're just wrong.
I accidentally said "Magyars cluster", I meant modern Hungarians of course.
Everyone "clusters" with their neighbours. West Slavs cluster with Germanics too I guess that's because they are Germanic. Goths cluster with Ukries etc.
Alright, saying Slavic is an oversimplification, it's more accurate that they are Slavic-Germanic-Balkan (although mostly Slavic), the point is that they have nothing to do at all with conquering Magyars.
And yes, West Slavs are Slavo-Germanic in a way that South and East Slavs aren't.
1-2% hungarians are N and descended from magyars
>1-2%
Well, most Hungarians and their neighbors probably have one or two very distant ancestor from the Magyars. Did this have any effect on their dna? No and the overwhelming majority were obviously Slavs and Germans.
Literally everyone in Eastern Europe has Genghis Khan as a distant ancestor.
Genghis Khan might be a bit more difficult since he lived from 1162 to 1277 and was one person compared to a tribe from the 800s. But it’s possible that many are, sure.
Genghis Khan lived to 115?
Shit, typo. Sorry, I meant 1227.
>they have nothing to do at all with conquering Magyars
except the political/linguistic connectivity that defines what a nation is
*continuity
Nations are defined by their blood, everything else is cope. By your definition Ahmid Pajeet is a quintessentially British national.
Sounds like you are just ignorant about the scope of genetic changes that happened in pretty much every place on Earth except for the most remote locations. There are no genetically pure nations. Scandies mixed with samis, spainiards and southern italians with arabs, balkanites with turks, east germans with slavs, russians with finno ugrics and steppe Black folk, americans with literally everybody etc etc. By your definition no nation in the world is a nation.
>By your definition Ahmid Pajeet is a quintessentially British national.
That is the de facto reality by this point and the majority of Brits agree with it. 1000 years from now on the history books will list Rishi Sunak as a British prime minister, with his heritage relegated to trivia.
>majority of Brits agree with it
Source?
>There are no genetically pure nations. Scandies mixed with samis
How can't you see the contradiction here? You say Scandis and Samis don't exist, but also that somehow they exist enough to mix with each other?
neither scandis or samis are nations
How are the Sami not a nation?
They are a loose collection of savages
They're a nation of savages
This is how Hungaroslavs cope with not being related at all to their steppe namesakes.
Bosnia is as irrelevant as SK, MN, SLO, BE and certainly under Ukraine.
HISTORICALLY (as OP said), Poland has always been much more influential than Russia or any of its precursor states.
Bosnia is easily the most globally irrelevant Slavic country if we're talking about ethnic Bosniaks and not Bosnian Serbs and Croats like Gavrilo Princip and Ivo Andrić. They do have some good music though
How could one answer anything other than Czechs is beyond my comprehension.
Obviously Russia.
Sputnik. Tolstoy. Dostoyevsky. fire fighting foam. gagarin. AK47. the rest of the "slavics" are vasly inferior (when it comes to cultural cashe or esteemed history).
russia is so successful that all other eastern europeans are pretty much thoght of out here in north america as "some kinda russiany culture"
Half of the things you mentioned was built by East German engineers for one. Russia failed to make any unique innovations once the USSR sphere dissolved. It's a low IQ povo Nigeria with snow shithole.
Yes Russia fell into poverty after ussr disolved.
who HAS made impressive innovation since the 90s? I guess the internet/bitcoin etc but anything else?
as to your claim about east germans being behind all those russian outputs...i dont believe you.
to say that russia isnt historically "successful" is a joke. The Russian people have achieved heights in sport, science, art that no other slavic nation has
The Russian people have also achieved heights of AIDS infection never seen before.
>who HAS made impressive innovation since the 90s? I guess the internet/bitcoin etc but anything else?
Are you fricking moronic?
>Smart phones
>AI (LLMs, Diffusion)
>CRISPR
>First successful gene therapy/gene clinics
>First purely synthetic life
>Higgs Boson discovery
>QLEDs
>TPUs
>Superresolution (especially in medical/cell imaging)
>Ceramic coated materials (all your "modern looking" apartments)
>EUV for 3nm chips (people in the 90s thought this was impossible)
>Atomic precision mirrors
>Green lasers
The world is innovating faster than ever before, you just don't notice how far you are being left behind.
>...i dont believe you.
Every assault rifle is patterned off the StG 44 and the Soviets are no different:
>Hugo Schmeisser, the designer of the Sturmgewehr, was captured after World War II, and helped develop the AK-47 assault rifle,[17]
In terms of Slavic arms developments the Czechs are considered to be the most successful in history, not Russians. As for space:
>In February 1946 the Institute RABE and Büro Gröttrup were absorbed into the larger Institut Nordhausen,[23] which had the goal of recreating the entire German A4 rocket technology. It was headed by Korolev as the Chief Engineer and Gröttrup as the German head.[24] In May 1946, the Institute Nordhausen, Institute Berlin (reconstructing the Wasserfall missile) and several manufacturing sites in Thuringia (until 1945 part of the Mittelwerk supply) were combined into the Zentralwerke.[25] By October 1946, Zentralwerke employed 733 Soviet specialists, and between 5,000 and 7,000 Germans headed by Gröttrup as General Director, supervised by Korolev as Soviet Chief Engineer and Glushko as head of Engine assembly and propulsion systems .[19]
Basically the entire early programme was East German, this gave Russia an early edge, but also note how Americans won the space race in the end with landing on the moon, shuttles, GPS and other unique innovations.
>Ceramic coated materials (all your "modern looking" apartments)
Can you elaborate?
Poland saved Europe from the Ottoman hordes, so Poland.
every fckin country in eastern europe claims this about themselves. croats. hungars. serbs. greeks.
>Considering discoveries,
Russia. If we're talking per capita maybe Serbia?
>contributions,
Too vague
> influence,
Russia
>culture,
Too vague
>sports,
Croatia
>Sports
>Croatia
lol
Even Czechoslovakia had more sporting success than all Yugoslavia.Per capita the correct answer to almost everything would be the Czechs
Who's the Czech Modrić?
What euro(cup) did Yugoslavia or Croatia win?
I don't know how they did it but Czechoslovakia really was a fricking sports superpower in the 20th century.
>It was called Bohemia
Did Czechs call themselves that?
>Culture
Art, music, literature etc etc shit
>the most successful Slavic country?
Either Russia or Poland.
Russia feels like I don't really need to explain
Poland simply because of how much was thrown at them throughout history and yet they still exist as a distinct people. That's quite an achievement, really.
Poland.
>culture
Obviously Russia in terms of influence and outstanding household names (Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Tarkovsky, etc.), but a lot of the cultural output from the Balkans is excellent despite the lack of reach and translation. I'm a big fan of music from ex-Yugoslavia, miles better than what was being produced in the rest of Eastern Europe
Why is the Slav world cut in two?
Russia, however literally 90% of great Russians had some non-russian admixture.
All the people who say Poland are delusional. Here are some "polish" historical figures:
Copernicus - german
Maria Curie - french
Friedrich Chopin - Austrian
Joseph Pilsudski (the guy who restored Poland after WW1) - Lithuanian
Ignacy Łukasiewicz - Armenian
"Polish" monarchs during Poland golden age - Lithuanian
Ludwig Zamenhof (the guy who created Esperanto) - israeli
Thaddeus Kosciuszko - bellarusian/Lithuanian
Adam Mickiewicz (one of the most most important "polish" writers)- israeli/Lithuanian mutt
Juliusz słowacki (one of the most most important "polish" writers)- comes from Ukraine and has surname meaning "Slovakian"
Jan Matejko (the only note worthy "polish" painter) - Czech
This is just some of the examples but basically Poles are never achieved anything besides plowing fields to Thier German, Austrian, Lithuanian and Austrian overlord while being monitored by israeli middle class. And I didn't even talked about how 90%+ of cities were made by Germans using project designed by Italian and Dutch architects.
Some of that is true if you're really stretching and cherrypicking
Yeah 90% of towns being German and Maria Curie and Słowacki is a bit of a stretch but the rest is true. Also even if it wasn't 90% it's true that a sizeble portion of the towns was settled by israelites and Germans, most towns were based on Magdeburg law, furniture like clocks and shit were imported from the Dutch or French and architects were rarely polish. Find me a set of purely Polish people that were more influential then the one I've mentioned. You can't.
I mainly said it like that because baity replies get more (you)s but I think my point still stands.
True for Russia as well