>I ignored Schoppy for years but decided to read him recently and I wasn’t impressed with what I did read so far
You should read his dialogue "On Religion".
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10833/10833-h/10833-h.htm
It's a beautiful work and makes me wish he wrote more in the genre.
>I like Schopie but this wasn’t one of his brighter moments
You know this is actually an echo of Plato who said something similar, right?
Plus Einstein has a famous quote where he apes Schoppy; I guess to your dismal and our ironic delight.
I think in order to agree with the german sage on this one, you would have to be in contact with really bookish people that only repeat what they read without ever putting something new or slightly interesting on the table.
It is a decease of the over-educated. These people are, maybe, scant these days.
>Science Fiction and Fantasy is a serious genre >It's the X of Y >Any book series over a trilogy being good >You have to read this author before you read that author >Read banned books, no... not those ones
There will always be the rare exception, but when somebody says one of these ridiculousness things it is not an exception.
Not that anon, when you say working class, what industry are you in? Most people who say that are in a white collar job, nobody I've met who says 'working class' is on the tools anymore. I am on the tools.
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Eh, white collar is still working class in pay and culture. Your boss' boss' culture, but it's all the same. Last I checked, middle class household income was $230,000 a year and that was probably 10 years ago at this point.
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>nobody I've met who says 'working class' is on the tools anymore. I am on the tools.
Not them mate, but I'm on tools in final mile. Plenty of white and pink collars are on tools. Shit loads of blue collars aren't actually on tools because they're unskilled and aren't actually paid to use tools in the sense of what a "tool" is in the phrase "on tools." I'm one of them. My use of equipment supplied by the employer is unskilled on the job training.
You're right, plenty of non-productive white collar workers claim to be working class. And they are.
The differentia is to ask what they're doing in the union. I'm OSH and have blocked unsafe production. Yes I did shit myself when I did that.
Im not a big nonfiction guy but this is tangential (albeit not exactly aligning) with my own beliefs and makes me respect Schopenhauer.
https://i.imgur.com/XI7mY1j.jpg
Bonus points if you name who said it.
>worst literary opinion you've heard
I interpreted this as more specific takes but if the Schopenhauer post counts then >the general trend of disregarding fiction in favor of rubbish nonfiction (self help/documentaries) that many people have these days
Also >the trend of overanalyzing literature among the few who still do consume fiction. the need for fiction to have a utilitarian purpose. all current artists must force a political, moral or 2deep4u message into their work. the need to pervert old works of art by analyzing it through modern lenses
Hes right though. Having """""conversations"""""" with people who blatantly just repeat talking points make me want to die. People in the age of information are so terrified of being wrong theyd rather say nothing at all.
This is an unfortunate reality. I do believe that review aggregators have also created a hive mind, especially in literature. Just look at Goodreads and the culture on that website.
I once read about someone who claimed that people who want to get into reading should read backwards rather than forwards. I can't think of a faster method to get noobs to hate reading than to have them try to bash their heads against modernist and postmodernist bricks or Rupi Kaur-tier post-WW2 poetry or even something modernist like Pound or Eliot until they give up.
Anybody who claims that any novel is the "best in the world". Bonus points if the novel is contemporary or less than 250 pages in length (and is overly analyzed by normalgays), as per its original edition.
This is the lowest tier, when I was in high school somebody made this argument, but for Twilight. I even overheard somebody making the same argument for whatever Sarah J. Maas has written. There was even a book that I was required to read for a class where the author incessantly praises Libba Bray. I find the arguments to be all codswallop and any novel can fit the bill.
I forgot to mention Fahrenheit 451 is a common example, it is a good book, but Bradbury himself hated those who were overly analytical about what he wrote. He even walked out of a conference because everyone was telling him how his book was "le hecking epically deep".
I good write an entire essay on the likes of Fitzgerald and Hemingway and how their books contain one or two simple straightforward messages and not twelve dozen themes and have every other word act as some sort of literary device. Again, their works were never intended as such and I probably could make the same arguments for works like Paul Clifford, The Lair of the White Worm and Twilight as much as I could what people do with Fitzgerald and Hemingway. That said, unlike the others (except for maybe Paul Clifford, even if for its abhorrent pacing), Fitzgerald and Hemingway do have merit in that they are consistent and pretty good in their era. They are still by no means a Shakespeare or Dumas.
Also, I know my mistake, Fahrenheit 451 is a novella, not a novel, I feel ashamed for this error.
I forgot to mention Fahrenheit 451 is a common example, it is a good book, but Bradbury himself hated those who were overly analytical about what he wrote. He even walked out of a conference because everyone was telling him how his book was "le hecking epically deep".
I good write an entire essay on the likes of Fitzgerald and Hemingway and how their books contain one or two simple straightforward messages and not twelve dozen themes and have every other word act as some sort of literary device. Again, their works were never intended as such and I probably could make the same arguments for works like Paul Clifford, The Lair of the White Worm and Twilight as much as I could what people do with Fitzgerald and Hemingway. That said, unlike the others (except for maybe Paul Clifford, even if for its abhorrent pacing), Fitzgerald and Hemingway do have merit in that they are consistent and pretty good in their era. They are still by no means a Shakespeare or Dumas.
I know a lot of people who still think Orwell is the cream of the crop in terms of 1900s literature. He's not an awful writer its just kinda hard to fathom that out of everyone, you think he's the best. Even among dystopian authors I don't think he's that interesting, just much easier and accessible
I like Schopie but this wasn’t one of his brighter moments
I ignored Schoppy for years but decided to read him recently and I wasn’t impressed with what I did read so far
>I ignored Schoppy for years but decided to read him recently and I wasn’t impressed with what I did read so far
You should read his dialogue "On Religion".
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10833/10833-h/10833-h.htm
It's a beautiful work and makes me wish he wrote more in the genre.
>I like Schopie but this wasn’t one of his brighter moments
You know this is actually an echo of Plato who said something similar, right?
Plus Einstein has a famous quote where he apes Schoppy; I guess to your dismal and our ironic delight.
I think in order to agree with the german sage on this one, you would have to be in contact with really bookish people that only repeat what they read without ever putting something new or slightly interesting on the table.
It is a decease of the over-educated. These people are, maybe, scant these days.
Oh I’m working class. Would have no idea. But my family reads a lot, so there’s that
>Science Fiction and Fantasy is a serious genre
>It's the X of Y
>Any book series over a trilogy being good
>You have to read this author before you read that author
>Read banned books, no... not those ones
There will always be the rare exception, but when somebody says one of these ridiculousness things it is not an exception.
Not that anon, when you say working class, what industry are you in? Most people who say that are in a white collar job, nobody I've met who says 'working class' is on the tools anymore. I am on the tools.
Eh, white collar is still working class in pay and culture. Your boss' boss' culture, but it's all the same. Last I checked, middle class household income was $230,000 a year and that was probably 10 years ago at this point.
>nobody I've met who says 'working class' is on the tools anymore. I am on the tools.
Not them mate, but I'm on tools in final mile. Plenty of white and pink collars are on tools. Shit loads of blue collars aren't actually on tools because they're unskilled and aren't actually paid to use tools in the sense of what a "tool" is in the phrase "on tools." I'm one of them. My use of equipment supplied by the employer is unskilled on the job training.
You're right, plenty of non-productive white collar workers claim to be working class. And they are.
The differentia is to ask what they're doing in the union. I'm OSH and have blocked unsafe production. Yes I did shit myself when I did that.
Should have also mentioned I’m more of an Aristotle and Heraclitus guy
Im not a big nonfiction guy but this is tangential (albeit not exactly aligning) with my own beliefs and makes me respect Schopenhauer.
>worst literary opinion you've heard
I interpreted this as more specific takes but if the Schopenhauer post counts then
>the general trend of disregarding fiction in favor of rubbish nonfiction (self help/documentaries) that many people have these days
Also
>the trend of overanalyzing literature among the few who still do consume fiction. the need for fiction to have a utilitarian purpose. all current artists must force a political, moral or 2deep4u message into their work. the need to pervert old works of art by analyzing it through modern lenses
I’m the opposite I can’t read much fiction
Hes right though. Having """""conversations"""""" with people who blatantly just repeat talking points make me want to die. People in the age of information are so terrified of being wrong theyd rather say nothing at all.
This is an unfortunate reality. I do believe that review aggregators have also created a hive mind, especially in literature. Just look at Goodreads and the culture on that website.
I once read about someone who claimed that people who want to get into reading should read backwards rather than forwards. I can't think of a faster method to get noobs to hate reading than to have them try to bash their heads against modernist and postmodernist bricks or Rupi Kaur-tier post-WW2 poetry or even something modernist like Pound or Eliot until they give up.
Damn, that makes me horny
Anybody who claims that any novel is the "best in the world". Bonus points if the novel is contemporary or less than 250 pages in length (and is overly analyzed by normalgays), as per its original edition.
I saw some hipster claim this bugman reddit novel from last year was "the best thing I ever read" lmao pathetic
This is the lowest tier, when I was in high school somebody made this argument, but for Twilight. I even overheard somebody making the same argument for whatever Sarah J. Maas has written. There was even a book that I was required to read for a class where the author incessantly praises Libba Bray. I find the arguments to be all codswallop and any novel can fit the bill.
Also, I know my mistake, Fahrenheit 451 is a novella, not a novel, I feel ashamed for this error.
I forgot to mention Fahrenheit 451 is a common example, it is a good book, but Bradbury himself hated those who were overly analytical about what he wrote. He even walked out of a conference because everyone was telling him how his book was "le hecking epically deep".
I good write an entire essay on the likes of Fitzgerald and Hemingway and how their books contain one or two simple straightforward messages and not twelve dozen themes and have every other word act as some sort of literary device. Again, their works were never intended as such and I probably could make the same arguments for works like Paul Clifford, The Lair of the White Worm and Twilight as much as I could what people do with Fitzgerald and Hemingway. That said, unlike the others (except for maybe Paul Clifford, even if for its abhorrent pacing), Fitzgerald and Hemingway do have merit in that they are consistent and pretty good in their era. They are still by no means a Shakespeare or Dumas.
Anyone who circlejerks Dostoevsky
Anyone who calls Nietzsche a nihilist
Mozart died too late rather than too early
*Proceeds to play a misdated late piece as an example of good Mozart*
I recognize that tongue.
"Art has to be transgressive"
This is the worst possible opinion on art.
>Dante is very boring
>t. My Italian-raised onetis
I know a lot of people who still think Orwell is the cream of the crop in terms of 1900s literature. He's not an awful writer its just kinda hard to fathom that out of everyone, you think he's the best. Even among dystopian authors I don't think he's that interesting, just much easier and accessible