For people not old enough to have faith, water baptism regenerates them.
For people old enough to have faith they need faith in order for the baptism to work. They are regenerated by faith and united to Christ before the baptism takes place. If they don't have sufficient faith no baptism works.
That's pretty much the standard unbiblical paedo-baptist position.
Lutheranism.
There is no "standard" pedobaptist position
At what age are you mature enough to decide? You are going to be raised Christian anyway why would you be denied a baptism
Because a baby can die.
It says believe and be baptized and you need water and the spirit to enter heaven. A baby can be baptized so it fits 1 of 2
Yes, that is pretty much what they believe: if a baby gets dunked and, as an adult, is not a Christian they are not saved.
Babies can't go to hell you colossal idiot. You outright don't believe in God if you think babies need baptism
>magic water
That is exactly what it is
>The first woman and mother of mankind was, after all, called Eva or “Water”. If we accept the biblical picture of the spirit of God moving upon the face of the original waters and the confirmatory scientific evidence that life started in the sea, then it follows quite naturally that the attraction towards water is an attempt to halt the evolutionary process and achieve a journey of retrogression. Mankind has probably dreamt of such an achievement since its earliest days. Many world religions view death as a necessary return to our original condition, a point of departure towards a new life. But because death is mysterious and forbidding, man tends to try to avoid it by returning to the less frightening mysteries of the maternal womb, to the sense of comfort and security which hidden memory preserves in all sentient beings. The return beyond birth, the desire to nullify the effects of birth must therefore motivate certain forms of human behaviour, in particular the sexual act. “If we accept,” writes Ferenczi, “that the fish in water represents the child in the maternal womb, as so many magic fertility ceremonies indicate, and that many dreams can only be interpreted by regarding the child as a symbol of the penis, then it becomes clear why the fish is used as a sign for the penis and the penis for the fish. Leading on from there, we can also understand the notion that the penis in coitus represents not only that form of human existence which preceded and coincided with birth, but also the tribulations suffered by that animal ancestor which experienced the great cataclysm of drought.”
>These religions pretended to restore lost purity [24] to the soul either through the performance of ritual ceremonies or through mortifications and penance. They had a series of ablutions and lustrations supposed to restore original innocence to the mystic. He had to wash himself in the sacred water according to certain prescribed forms. This was really a magic rite, because bodily purity acted sympathetically upon the soul, or else it was a real spiritual disinfection with the water driving out the evil spirits that had caused pollution. The votary, again, might drink or besprinkle himself with the blood of a slaughtered victim or of the priests themselves, in which case the prevailing idea was that the liquid circulating in the veins was a vivifying principle capable of imparting a new existence. [25] These and similar rites [26] used in the mysteries were supposed to regenerate the initiated person and to restore him to an immaculate and incorruptible life. [27]
Definetly not from splashing water on them; what are you? A pagan?
Augustine of Hippo believed babies needed baptism.
>a guy believed something
And? Do you think God needs you to use enchanted water to know who to save?
John 3:5 baptism is necessary for salvation
Baptism by water is the visible sign which corresponds to baptism by the Spirit. It is the act by which the infant is visibility inducted into membership in God's kingdom and the community of the Church. But magic water is not the baptism that saves; that is baptism by the Spirit. The Lord instituted it thusly because the baptism of Spirit is divine, but due to the simplicity of man, an outward and visible sign is needed to nourish the faith of the simple minded.
Amen. And the children of believers are properly to receive the sign of the covenant, since they are members of the covenant of grace, having been made holy by their parents.
>For people not old enough to have faith, water baptism regenerates them.
What does that even mean? Dumb p*dobaptist
Infant baptism is completely heretical and proves a person does not believe in Christ's saving grace. Baptism is a choice one makes AFTER getting saved by faith alone.
>Infant baptism is completely heretical and proves a person does not believe in Christ's saving grace
That's funny, because literally all of the reformers were baby baptizers
Why not? They're perfect and sinless? I thought only one man was
>That's funny, because literally all of the reformers were baby baptizers
Yes. They wrote against the baptists just as all of Catholicism under Constantine did, but to this day they never managed to wipe out the true church.
As it says in Matthew 16:18, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
This means that no false prophets or wicked people will ever bring an end to Christ's church, who are found in the baptist churches of various ages up to the present day. And at the end of Matthew's Gospel, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matthew 28:19-20)
>Baptism is a choice one makes
No, it's a choice GOD makes
I'm surprised you guys don't consider baptism "works". I thought it was faith alone now you need sacraments? Next you are going to tell me you guys pray, read the bible and go to church like Catholics do
People are born in original sin and need that forgiven since God punishes people for what Adam and Eve did.