No technological advancement is needed. Will you be happier watching porn on a holoscreen vs your ipad? Will you be happier eating lab grown meat over your own grown beef? What we do need however... >1. Correcting the social structure:
Nothing happens if our governments don't put people before profits or their own corrupt private sector ties. Think wars, food production, making people feel worthless through media as a means to sell junk etc. This is the primary limiting factor right now. We are literally just killing ourselves for some temporary gain that most of us don't even get to enjoy. >2. Correcting our definitions of human success:
Promoting balanced lifestyles, joy from being part of a community rather than a cog in an uncontrolled wheel, joy of raising children, of seeing plants grow etc. Deeper relationships with peers not based in economic standing or artifical merits. A reduction in the size of our "virtual" communities so we can build our "real" communities. >3. Practical application of well known principals.
Thinking permaculture practices applied to energy creation, efficiency, housing, etc. I imagine rows of passive solar homes tied to orchards and forests, hunters killing things rather than walled off mystery meat facilities. Tromps to make power, waterwheels from our food forests (which make rivers naturally) etc. >4. Population reduction through non violent means
Naturally populations will start dipping, but a more active route would be to just limit people to having one kid, and supporting the parents role to be the best parent possible. Essentially raise a generation of good kids to take over, instead of tiktok ipad addicted dopamine freak children who will just consoom us to our end and have no emotional or practical skills.
this, pretty much. we already have very efficient wind turbines, solar cells, and LED lightbulbs. even things like solar powered delivery drones aren't too far off. what's really holding us back isn't the technology, but our own inability to embrace that technology.
>Population reduction through non violent means
how dare you, we need perpetual economic growth or else the economy will collapse ! we need MORE people, consuming MORE things, being MORE productive, MORE planed obsolescence and MORE young people to perpetuate the retirement Ponzi
>So it's impossible, essentially.
This, as soon as there's some good will required for making something work it will inevitably fail, now shut up sit down and watch how much we can frick things up.
>Will you be happier eating lab grown meat over your own grown beef?
Unironically, yes. Caring for the environment implies caring for animals and reducing the harmful impact of livestock farming.
As for digital technology though, I believe we must create systems that use less electricity (and zero fossil power) and minimize obsolescence. It should be a priority to optimize tech towards those goals.
>reducing the harmful impact of livestock farming.
FYI there were tens of millions of bison roaming north America before we came here. Large numbers of herbivores are not inherently harmful and it makes sense to encourage local small herds that are ranged regeneratively vs pushing factory grown or vegan diets. Both of the latter require extremely long global supply lines. At the very least people should be vegetarian, not vegan. Veganism makes no sense from an environmental perspective, it's a moral/emotional thing that doesn't improve the situation.
yeah nobody wants to hear about vegetarians but I agree with you entirely. Veganism is silly, vegetarianism makes sense given the current status of the planet, and responsible meat eating is the long term goal if people had a modicum of self control and wanted to live longer.
t. eggs + veggies for 15+ years
1 month ago
Anonymous
I'm glad to hear you say it. I always inwardly cringe when I hear my vegan coworkers talk about how they spend 40+$ a day on specialty food that's "better for the environment." All individually plastic wrapped at the very least and half the ingredients imported.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Always hilarious to see this manner of pretension on IQfy of all places.
>Will you be happier watching porn on a holoscreen vs your ipad
Don't know of holo-whatsit, but having VR-gear and interactive IoT(local) synced sextoys made a whole new dimension of fricking your waifu
>our governments don't put people before profits
Just another say of saying they put their own interests above yours. When you say it like that you see how ridiculous it is to say that we need to change basic biological/evolutionary drives before solving any social problems.
Sometimes I feel like society is akin to Frankenstein's monster. >people know joy, people know sorrow, it always felt the same >we convince an entire generation that a fast car, pinup girls and nationalism = your identity > the entire society forgets that they were already capable of joy and there was more than enough sorrow. Now they must feed the machine to feel those things. >tell them they are ugly, fat, stupid and poor, then supplement those feels with media and more identity barriers like nationalism and religious extremism. Red scare, radicalizing developing nations though military means, state sanctioned drugs and state controlled drug trade >double down by giving them shitty food, bad education and taking over the main data stream (the internet) and get them addicted to porn and social media >pat your shoulder because you've turned humanity into a bumbling, temperamental, moron with no self worth or human value system >oh shit they are all drooling at the mouth now what?
we are all going to die lol
We have plenty of ways to store energy. Would be even easier to handle if we were smarter about using it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>we still have plenty of ways to store energy
So are you going to reveal your revolutionary invention anytime soon?
Because storing the energy generated by solar is still the biggest issue. All options are shit at best.
1 month ago
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>All options are shit at best.
They do the job.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They do a poor job for a very expensive price.
You dumb Black folk are never going to replace oil if you refuse to acknowledge the issue of costs.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>muh prices
Exactly, a societal problem of not valuing clean energy enough while tolerating polluting shit.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So you think society would be better if everyone spent an arm and a leg for electricity?
Who do you think that wealth is transferred to?
In what world is society improved by leeching the wealth of the middle class to the political elite?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Lowering the impact of climate crisis would be quite an improvement, even if we take your premise 1-1.
How is it different to taxing other harmful stuff like cigarettes to push people into making better choices or at least collecting funds to deal with the bad ones anyway?
1 month ago
Anonymous
You sound like a useful idiot.
Explain exactly how people paying more for necessities improves society?
Who does that wealth transfer to?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Seems pretty self-explanatory: >have to pay more for stuff that harms the environment >adjust your lifestyle so you do less harm because you don't want to pay as much
1 month ago
Anonymous
>have to pay more for stuff that harms the environment
So you’re just going to make stuff up?
how are you paying more for green/nuclear compared to oil generated electricity moron?
Black person do you think solar energy is cheaper to generate than oil based?
None of you pay your own electricity bills do you LOL
1 month ago
Anonymous
Concession accepted.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It’s always hilarious how the most moronic and inexperienced people are always creating muh “solar punk” threads.
It really just shows that the most outspoken proponents of green energy are also the least experienced in reality. You lean on literal fantasy to substantiate your beliefs.
Meanwhile in reality the middle class of western nations is getting fleeced by their electricity companies (all state sponsored of course).
israelites orchestrate a massive wealth transfer and feed you fantastical lies to keep you complacent while it happens.
from what I know the sun is free while mining coal, transferring it, maintaining the plant 24/7 and paying for the whole process is not, dumb rightoid troony
>solar energy is free
Literal morons.
1 month ago
Anonymous
what other cost is there other than installation and the occasional biannual power washing you mouth breathing sperg?
1 month ago
Anonymous
from what I know the sun is free while mining coal, transferring it, maintaining the plant 24/7 and paying for the whole process is not, dumb rightoid troony
1 month ago
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The sun is free yes but
It’s always hilarious how the most moronic and inexperienced people are always creating muh “solar punk” threads.
It really just shows that the most outspoken proponents of green energy are also the least experienced in reality. You lean on literal fantasy to substantiate your beliefs.
Meanwhile in reality the middle class of western nations is getting fleeced by their electricity companies (all state sponsored of course).
israelites orchestrate a massive wealth transfer and feed you fantastical lies to keep you complacent while it happens.
[...] >solar energy is free
Literal morons.
has a point.
Coal and oil = suns energy from the past stored up in an object. Solar panels plus batteries just store current energy. The efficiency and application of either still costs money and resources. So we have to ask ourselves what is the most effective use of each source.
>The not free stuff - dirty: coal and oil
Should be used to run heavy equipment, move dirt and prepare land for water storage or the production of... >The actual free stuff
Passive solar structures, water collection via swales, dams and artificial lakes aka forests which all just store water (our most precious resource). The use of passive solar plus thermal mass is extremely effective when done properly. Try to ignore the hippy dippy shit around earth ships and get down to the principals behind them. If you want a more cultured approach, look into permaculture as a foundation for the attitude behind efficient capture, use, and storage of energies. Hint: it tends to emulate natural systems, the master of efficiency.
>Solar and battery
We need to be wise with the limited mineral resources available. Electric cars were a massive mistake and will be looked at as another failure of capitalism. Driving a Honda fit will be infinitely better for the planet than buying a tesla. We should be reserving all these resources for future use once we've figured out...
>A functioning society
Which doesn't exist right now. The linchpin to all of this is the fact we live in a corrupt, dysfunctional world and we are going to destroy ourselves sooner than later. It's already too late for most of humanity as a whole.
>You?
Buy some land, build a homestead, have a couple kids and learn to enjoy life. Use a waterwheel for power, a masonry stove for heat, earth tubes for cooling and your gun for protein. Plant an orchard of perennial trees and food plants and write some poetry because it's all gonna be over in a flash (your life that is).
1 month ago
Anonymous
Fusion power, if achieved, will solve these problems. Desalination can easily be fixed once you have a lot of cheap energy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dreaming for a non-existent tech is fun but not currently practical. Even if we did figure out fusion, storage will always be an issue.
1 month ago
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>Dreaming for a non-existent tech is fun but not currently practical.
I know that, that was the point. To be even clearer: that is why Solarpunk is completely unrealistic today. >Even if we did figure out fusion, storage will always be an issue.
Why??
1 month ago
Anonymous
Even if we did figure out fusion, would the Limits To Growth mindset that's infected the global elite allow it to come to pass? Look at the (large) subset of greens who hate nuclear. They don't want reduced co2 they want reduced human capacity. Or look at the foreign aid that's mostly stealth subsidies for domestic firms and gives a man a fish instead of teaching him. Tech transfers plus access to cheap energy would have done far better but then the third world would have been more in control of its own destiny. Fear elicits a desire to make everything that's not firmly within their administrative grip slow down.
1 month ago
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>Self reliance for countries
AKA a challenge to the global power structure. I agree with you. >reduced human capacity
I do think we need a period of de-growth. It doesn't align with capitalism obviously, but the amount of resources either wasted or going into frivolous developments/businesses is sort of staggering. My wife for example works as a consultant for the government, she drives 1+ hrs to sit in an office and work on her laptop with her colleagues in other offices. No work from home policy. One small example of the insanity.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Black person do you think solar energy is cheaper to generate than oil based?
NTA but yes, it is cheaper:
https://archive.is/wCxWq >Solar panels have become so cheap that they are being used to build garden fences in the Netherlands and Germany, as a boom in Chinese production saturates the global market. >A solar panel cost 11 US cents per watt at the end of March, or just half the price it was at the same time last year, according to BloombergNEF, and was expected to fall further in a “race to the bottom” as manufacturers competed to get rid of excess supply.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you are directly promoting the transfer of wealth from the middle class onto billionaires if you defend the oil industry this much
Even they don't refer to it as such despite loving the socialist LARP.
Yes they do, watch their national congress
1 month ago
Anonymous
How is paying more for electricity transferring wealth from the middle class?
Look I get that you’re an ideologically motivated moron, but think before you hit Post.
1 month ago
Anonymous
how are you paying more for green/nuclear compared to oil generated electricity moron?
thirdies are the ones suplying your food for very cheap(because they believe your currency is more valuable). not only that, but instead of being happy about a shrinking population, mother EVROPA is importing thirdies, because of
>Population reduction through non violent means
how dare you, we need perpetual economic growth or else the economy will collapse ! we need MORE people, consuming MORE things, being MORE productive, MORE planed obsolescence and MORE young people to perpetuate the retirement Ponzi
nta but the issue is >be colonists >have slavery >oh noes we cant be slavers anymore >okay we'll just call it capitalism, they are "workers" >use third world as modern totally not slave labor >use petroleum industry to feed everyone >turn first world into third world once you've gained total control and destroyed their health and morale via media
The question is, what happens next? We have no functioning government, not one that works for it's populace. Of course resources are diminishing as is biodiversity and soil etc. last time we were here we just had a world war to correct things, and it seems like it's probably the only solution to the current problems short of turning society on its head. Either way, we're pretty fricked.
Good thing is, if you die, you're contributing more to climate change positively. Hopefully, you'll consider it a great favor to the world by killing yourself early so we can save the world
It's called a gun and it's already been invented.
All we gotta do is kill all the non-whites with a particular emphasis on those of the hebrew faith and a utopia will spontaneously form.
none, the problem is corpos, oil tycoons, governments, the masses being a bunch of stupid sheep that take anything in the ass without b***hing as long as you do not take away food, societal issues, and likely a million other ones, some of which I'm aware and most of which I know nothing about
They are problems of low average IQ and poor, genetically based, behavioral traits. If you threw cash at them, you would be horrified with the results.
Let us imagine the next round of COVID will this time mixmaster the genes so that the offspring will have an IQ of minimum 100 at today's scale, plus reduced need for immediate gratification.
Will that be sufficient to bring us a Solarpunk world?
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Depends. If they still have the rest of their genetic traits, they will just be better at scheming and pulling scams. 100 MINIMUM would put them well above the rest of the world, though, assuming that the average moves up in proportion to the current minimum.
They might game it out and kill everyone else, now that they would be at the top and would have the intelligence to pull it off.
Stop all air travel save for rescue helicopters. Limit the size of private boats to ten meters. Stop electric vehicle development until good batteries are developed so we don't waste precious rare earth materials. Fund biofuel research on a global scale since at least biodiesel can search as a drop in fuel for trucks, trains, and boats. If we're going full fantasy no military. Only have small arms to deal with animals.
The technology that instantly evaporates 100% of humans observed with a lopsided ratio of dumbass posts on the internet to being a normal fricking person.
Make a better alternative. Oil is the world's blood right now. Everything plastic, everything transportation, everything packaging, everything utilities are oil bloodlines.
>make a shit load of nuclear plants, like way more than we need >and support that with geo/hydro/solar/wind where applicable >use the excess power to carbon capture from the ocean >turn that into (net zero) synthetic fuel
The US Navy was/is looking into doing this at scale to supply their smaller ships, and the Air Force.
>technological advancements
We have all the tech necessary. We just don't have the will to use it. To many people are commited to creating the proverbial grim meathook future.
It is weird how the packaging and presentation was a shade of Solarpunk, yet the contents was not. I don't think people even talked about Solarpunk back then.
You are in denial about the absolute truth.
The truth really hurts your shitskin feelings huh?
Go watch more netflix that rewrites history to feel better.
I've been a white nationalist for 15 years you fricking moron. Go outside.
Imagine being as delusional as greentards. Jesus christ they're fricking morons.
I live in fricking Hawaii and electricity costs motherfricking 50 cents a kwh!
The feds and the state gave me tax credits to cover literally 60% of the fricking cost and I will still barely break even by the time my batteries can only hold 30% of the same charge they could originally.
Fricking larpers, kys.
>nature bad because no free energy
have a nice day entitled Black person.
>delusional green flag also larps as a white nationalist
lmao
1 month ago
Anonymous
NTA but guess what political party was the first to propose green politics?
Not a technology but a society problem.
All the commie attempts didn't go too well, so maybe it's not a great idea to try again?
>society problem
Some is, like when you have famine and obesity epidemics in Africa at the same time. Then again, if you really want a future that looks like OP image, you sure need a lot of tech to make it work. Agritech is growing but a lot more is needed.
1 month ago
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> NTA but guess what political party was the first to propose green politics
Was it the party that talked big but could never actually deliver?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Was it the party that talked big but could never actually deliver?
Anon., that doesn't really narrow things down.
Imagine being as delusional as greentards. Jesus christ they're fricking morons.
I live in fricking Hawaii and electricity costs motherfricking 50 cents a kwh!
The feds and the state gave me tax credits to cover literally 60% of the fricking cost and I will still barely break even by the time my batteries can only hold 30% of the same charge they could originally.
>not installing a tesla home on your gazebo >actually getting the "power grid" electricity that's fricked up by sea/salt water corroded cables
actually look for "energy providers" before living in fricking outta nowhere.
>3. Bring back giant nazi space-mirrors.
With that backstory I guess geo engineering will be a hard sell.
Not everyone has given up yet: >SPACE MIRRORS: DREAMS OF TURNING THE NIGHT INTO DAY AROUND THE CLOCK
https://hackaday.com/2024/04/03/space-mirrors-dreams-of-turning-the-night-into-day-around-the-clock/ >Recently, a company by former SpaceX employee Ben Nowack – called Reflect Orbital – announced that it is now ready to put gigantic mirrors in space to reflect sunshine at ground-based solar farms. This is an idea that’s been around for a hundred years already, both for purposes of defeating the night through reflecting sunshine onto the surface, as well as to reject the same sunshine and reduce the surface temperature. The central question here is perhaps what the effect would be of adding or subtracting (or both) of solar irradiation on such a large scale as suggested?
>End the night
Another Mongoloid idea, the same people who are installing LED lamps on streetlights to destroy your eyes. There are 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness, deal with it.
fun fact: the "punk" in solarpunk, cyberpunk, dieselpunk, etc. actually refers to the lack of a (usually capitalist) government in works of fiction using those aesthetics.
>Believing Wikipedia is proof of anything
Anon....
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I had a closer look. the wiki entry is a train wreck. Ref 7 is cited as > Reina-Rozo, Juan David (2021-03-05). "Art, Energy and Technology: the Solarpunk Movement". International Journal of Engineering, Social Justice, and Peace. 8 (1): 47–60. doi:10.24908/ijesjp.v8i1.14292. ISSN 1927-9434. S2CID 233805052. The 'punk' in Solarpunk is about rebellion, counterculture, post-capitalism, decolonialism and enthusiasm. It is about going in a different direction than the mainstream, which is increasingly going in a scary direction.
See that? >International Journal of Engineering, Social Justice, and Peace
That should raise red flags like a matador. Since we all have an appetite for sheer pain, let's go there. It is not pretty. All we get is an abstract that does not include the quoted text in the citation. The actual article is harder to find:
https://ojs.library.queensu.ca/index.php/IJESJP/article/download/14292/9521
Therein: >Solarpunk is defined as an uprising of hope against the daily despair that these times bring. This movement may be considered as a countercultural rebellion to supplement literary pessimism in visions of how the future may be possible (Solarpunk Anarchist, 2016).
That is closer to reality but contrary to the wiki entry. The wiki quote is an opinion piece at the end under the belief that >Solarpunk is at once a vision of the future, a thoughtful provocation, a way of living, and a set of achievable proposals to get there.
So while the former has a citation, the latter is merely an unsubstantiated opinion from a whoever.
We have the technology now to do this now. The problem is not that we aren't technologically advanced enough, it's that the way we structure our society has not advanced enough. Progress is held back by those in power in order to maintain their position at the top of the hierarchy at the expense of the wellbeing of all others.
No technology will make your lives any better as long as the economy is designed is such a way that it values making more money above providing for human needs. Any technological improvements that make it easier to provide for your needs will only be used by those in power to exploit you even more efficiently, providing the same quality of life you have now while allowing them to extract even more money from you.
>We have the technology now to do this now.
Really? How do we get enough water and control the water in place to enable all this? >Progress is held back by those in power in order to maintain their position at the top of the hierarchy at the expense of the wellbeing of all others.
I often hear such arguments but I am not convinced the people at the top are willing to turn the world into a junk yard just to gain a minor advantage. the middle class has a better lifestyle than nobility did 1000 years ago.
>I am not convinced the people at the top are willing to turn the world into a junk yard just to gain a minor advantage.
The people who rise to the top are not those who are the smartest or hardest working. They are those who are most willing to exploit others for their personal gain, even if it causes them great harm. If the entire world is rendered uninhabitable by their actions, it is irrelevent to them. With or without total environmental destruction, they will still be dead in a few decades either way. So while becoming excessively rich may not actually improve their lives any, It does have the effect of making them feel like they've done something important with their lives. It's really more of a way for them to cope with their own mortality than anything else.
>The nobility argument
People worked less and had live expectancies equal to ours (when we don't skew for infant mortality, lots of kids died back then). Either way a race to the bottom or comparing ourselves to 1000 years ago is a little silly. What isn't silly is acknowledging that we are in decline. I don't want that statement to get washed over, we, our species, are in decline, like, we are rolling down a hill towards death as a species in almost every measurable way. >Life expectancy decreasing in developed nations >Economic stability worse than ever >Work life balance and cost of living to income ratios steadily decreasing for most of the pop. >Cancer rates rising in all populations >Mental health issues rising in all populations >Resources running out globally, from fertilizers that fueled our population boom to literally fuel >Collapse of various key animal species leading to food chain breakdowns (fish, insects) >Deforestation for grazing at highest ever >Intelligence decline in kids >Not to mention the multi front war drums beating across the globe
On the topic of technology, it's pretty frustrating to know we had the opportunity to use the tech of the industrial revolution to create a utopia, but instead we just did feudalism 2.0 under the name of capitalism. It was great for maybe 30 years, but as most predicted, capitalism eventually eats itself. We are doing it again with the green washing, electric car bullshit, wasting precious resources to buy a little more time in the end stage capitalism horror show we are all in. At least we got tomogochis and Diddy Kong racing, and VR is cool I guess.
My point was not so much about life expectancy than quality of life. Famine is now unlikely, we can expect to get food, we can travel and experience a lot more than people did just 100 years ago.
As for health I agree that infant mortality was high. Still, antibiotics took care of bacterial infections which used to be a major killer. Pacemakers, hearing aids, titanium joints and more are also rathe recent addition to quality of life and life expectancy.
So we had a lot of gains, unfortunately there is now, as you write, a lot of stagnation and decline. The rot is everywhere, reaching the core of society, and I am not sure how we can get out of it.
>the middle class has a better lifestyle than nobility did 1000 years ago.
It is true that life is much better than it was 1000 years ago. However, it is not through technological innovation alone that this has happened. Along side those technological advancements, we have also developed the ways our society is structured to better take advantage of those innovations. One of the the biggest changes being that we are no longer ruled by kings who's rule is considered an act of divine will and goes entirely unquestioned.
If our society today was restructured to fully take advantage of modern technologies to provide for peoples needs, we could see a similar massive improvement to the way people live. One where the average person's lives are made better than even the lives of richest men alive today.
been thinking about picking one of these up. obvs i don't expect it to power my entire home, but just using it to charge my laptop, phone, Nintendo switch, etc. would be kinda cool. thoughts?
I have a panel the size of an A4 sheet that I use to charge my phone. It takes a few hours but it works. I mainly use it for a slow recharge so that the battery will last me many years.
That's handy. Does it have to be in actual sunlight, or can I leave it next to a window?
I have to place it in direct sunlight or it will not charge. I experimented with the setup and when placing it in a white table the diffuse reflections are sufficient to noticeably increase the charging rate. Direct sunlight is still also needed.
I have a panel the size of an A4 sheet that I use to charge my phone. It takes a few hours but it works. I mainly use it for a slow recharge so that the battery will last me many years.
>clean solarpunk utopia
I think the cleanliness will inevitable come over time and not too far into the future. Rubbish and waste are in most cases resources that are not yet exploited. For instance people complain that sewage is full of phosphorus that acts as nutrients causing algae blooms, yet at the same time people agree the world is running out of commercially available sources.
No technological advancement is needed. Will you be happier watching porn on a holoscreen vs your ipad? Will you be happier eating lab grown meat over your own grown beef? What we do need however...
>1. Correcting the social structure:
Nothing happens if our governments don't put people before profits or their own corrupt private sector ties. Think wars, food production, making people feel worthless through media as a means to sell junk etc. This is the primary limiting factor right now. We are literally just killing ourselves for some temporary gain that most of us don't even get to enjoy.
>2. Correcting our definitions of human success:
Promoting balanced lifestyles, joy from being part of a community rather than a cog in an uncontrolled wheel, joy of raising children, of seeing plants grow etc. Deeper relationships with peers not based in economic standing or artifical merits. A reduction in the size of our "virtual" communities so we can build our "real" communities.
>3. Practical application of well known principals.
Thinking permaculture practices applied to energy creation, efficiency, housing, etc. I imagine rows of passive solar homes tied to orchards and forests, hunters killing things rather than walled off mystery meat facilities. Tromps to make power, waterwheels from our food forests (which make rivers naturally) etc.
>4. Population reduction through non violent means
Naturally populations will start dipping, but a more active route would be to just limit people to having one kid, and supporting the parents role to be the best parent possible. Essentially raise a generation of good kids to take over, instead of tiktok ipad addicted dopamine freak children who will just consoom us to our end and have no emotional or practical skills.
So it's impossible, essentially.
this, pretty much. we already have very efficient wind turbines, solar cells, and LED lightbulbs. even things like solar powered delivery drones aren't too far off. what's really holding us back isn't the technology, but our own inability to embrace that technology.
Vast amounts of very cheap energy.
>very efficient wind turbines
These are efficient but not cheap, and last typically just 25 years.
>Population reduction through non violent means
how dare you, we need perpetual economic growth or else the economy will collapse ! we need MORE people, consuming MORE things, being MORE productive, MORE planed obsolescence and MORE young people to perpetuate the retirement Ponzi
>So it's impossible, essentially.
This, as soon as there's some good will required for making something work it will inevitably fail, now shut up sit down and watch how much we can frick things up.
>Will you be happier eating lab grown meat over your own grown beef?
Unironically, yes. Caring for the environment implies caring for animals and reducing the harmful impact of livestock farming.
As for digital technology though, I believe we must create systems that use less electricity (and zero fossil power) and minimize obsolescence. It should be a priority to optimize tech towards those goals.
>reducing the harmful impact of livestock farming.
FYI there were tens of millions of bison roaming north America before we came here. Large numbers of herbivores are not inherently harmful and it makes sense to encourage local small herds that are ranged regeneratively vs pushing factory grown or vegan diets. Both of the latter require extremely long global supply lines. At the very least people should be vegetarian, not vegan. Veganism makes no sense from an environmental perspective, it's a moral/emotional thing that doesn't improve the situation.
yeah nobody wants to hear about vegetarians but I agree with you entirely. Veganism is silly, vegetarianism makes sense given the current status of the planet, and responsible meat eating is the long term goal if people had a modicum of self control and wanted to live longer.
t. eggs + veggies for 15+ years
I'm glad to hear you say it. I always inwardly cringe when I hear my vegan coworkers talk about how they spend 40+$ a day on specialty food that's "better for the environment." All individually plastic wrapped at the very least and half the ingredients imported.
Always hilarious to see this manner of pretension on IQfy of all places.
Fpbp, but you forgot racism 2. That's an essential ingredient.
It's not though. It's bloat
You want a bunch of literal morons running around making decisions? Who's the most materialistic, marketing friendly demographic in the US, anon?
I'm not in the US though.
Real communities are built by white men, and white men alone.
Frick off.
>Will you be happier watching porn on a holoscreen vs your ipad
Don't know of holo-whatsit, but having VR-gear and interactive IoT(local) synced sextoys made a whole new dimension of fricking your waifu
None of that can happen in a world that pretends like genetics don't have a large casual effect on behavior.
>our governments don't put people before profits
Just another say of saying they put their own interests above yours. When you say it like that you see how ridiculous it is to say that we need to change basic biological/evolutionary drives before solving any social problems.
fpbp
We need a non-cream-separator-based economic system.
Definitely not a more modern one that adds nothing but increasing levels of financialization.
Sometimes I feel like society is akin to Frankenstein's monster.
>people know joy, people know sorrow, it always felt the same
>we convince an entire generation that a fast car, pinup girls and nationalism = your identity
> the entire society forgets that they were already capable of joy and there was more than enough sorrow. Now they must feed the machine to feel those things.
>tell them they are ugly, fat, stupid and poor, then supplement those feels with media and more identity barriers like nationalism and religious extremism. Red scare, radicalizing developing nations though military means, state sanctioned drugs and state controlled drug trade
>double down by giving them shitty food, bad education and taking over the main data stream (the internet) and get them addicted to porn and social media
>pat your shoulder because you've turned humanity into a bumbling, temperamental, moron with no self worth or human value system
>oh shit they are all drooling at the mouth now what?
we are all going to die lol
> identity barriers like nationalism and religious extremism
Myopic moron. You deserve the hell we qll helped build.
destroying capitalism would make this a lot more possible than some technological advancement
How about I destroy your head on a curb?
Not a technology but a society problem.
All the commie attempts didn't go too well, so maybe it's not a great idea to try again?
The sun shining only half the day is hardly a societal problem.
We have plenty of ways to store energy. Would be even easier to handle if we were smarter about using it.
>we still have plenty of ways to store energy
So are you going to reveal your revolutionary invention anytime soon?
Because storing the energy generated by solar is still the biggest issue. All options are shit at best.
>All options are shit at best.
They do the job.
They do a poor job for a very expensive price.
You dumb Black folk are never going to replace oil if you refuse to acknowledge the issue of costs.
>muh prices
Exactly, a societal problem of not valuing clean energy enough while tolerating polluting shit.
So you think society would be better if everyone spent an arm and a leg for electricity?
Who do you think that wealth is transferred to?
In what world is society improved by leeching the wealth of the middle class to the political elite?
Lowering the impact of climate crisis would be quite an improvement, even if we take your premise 1-1.
How is it different to taxing other harmful stuff like cigarettes to push people into making better choices or at least collecting funds to deal with the bad ones anyway?
You sound like a useful idiot.
Explain exactly how people paying more for necessities improves society?
Who does that wealth transfer to?
Seems pretty self-explanatory:
>have to pay more for stuff that harms the environment
>adjust your lifestyle so you do less harm because you don't want to pay as much
>have to pay more for stuff that harms the environment
So you’re just going to make stuff up?
Black person do you think solar energy is cheaper to generate than oil based?
None of you pay your own electricity bills do you LOL
Concession accepted.
It’s always hilarious how the most moronic and inexperienced people are always creating muh “solar punk” threads.
It really just shows that the most outspoken proponents of green energy are also the least experienced in reality. You lean on literal fantasy to substantiate your beliefs.
Meanwhile in reality the middle class of western nations is getting fleeced by their electricity companies (all state sponsored of course).
israelites orchestrate a massive wealth transfer and feed you fantastical lies to keep you complacent while it happens.
>solar energy is free
Literal morons.
what other cost is there other than installation and the occasional biannual power washing you mouth breathing sperg?
from what I know the sun is free while mining coal, transferring it, maintaining the plant 24/7 and paying for the whole process is not, dumb rightoid troony
The sun is free yes but
has a point.
Coal and oil = suns energy from the past stored up in an object. Solar panels plus batteries just store current energy. The efficiency and application of either still costs money and resources. So we have to ask ourselves what is the most effective use of each source.
>The not free stuff - dirty: coal and oil
Should be used to run heavy equipment, move dirt and prepare land for water storage or the production of...
>The actual free stuff
Passive solar structures, water collection via swales, dams and artificial lakes aka forests which all just store water (our most precious resource). The use of passive solar plus thermal mass is extremely effective when done properly. Try to ignore the hippy dippy shit around earth ships and get down to the principals behind them. If you want a more cultured approach, look into permaculture as a foundation for the attitude behind efficient capture, use, and storage of energies. Hint: it tends to emulate natural systems, the master of efficiency.
>Solar and battery
We need to be wise with the limited mineral resources available. Electric cars were a massive mistake and will be looked at as another failure of capitalism. Driving a Honda fit will be infinitely better for the planet than buying a tesla. We should be reserving all these resources for future use once we've figured out...
>A functioning society
Which doesn't exist right now. The linchpin to all of this is the fact we live in a corrupt, dysfunctional world and we are going to destroy ourselves sooner than later. It's already too late for most of humanity as a whole.
>You?
Buy some land, build a homestead, have a couple kids and learn to enjoy life. Use a waterwheel for power, a masonry stove for heat, earth tubes for cooling and your gun for protein. Plant an orchard of perennial trees and food plants and write some poetry because it's all gonna be over in a flash (your life that is).
Fusion power, if achieved, will solve these problems. Desalination can easily be fixed once you have a lot of cheap energy.
Dreaming for a non-existent tech is fun but not currently practical. Even if we did figure out fusion, storage will always be an issue.
>Dreaming for a non-existent tech is fun but not currently practical.
I know that, that was the point. To be even clearer: that is why Solarpunk is completely unrealistic today.
>Even if we did figure out fusion, storage will always be an issue.
Why??
Even if we did figure out fusion, would the Limits To Growth mindset that's infected the global elite allow it to come to pass? Look at the (large) subset of greens who hate nuclear. They don't want reduced co2 they want reduced human capacity. Or look at the foreign aid that's mostly stealth subsidies for domestic firms and gives a man a fish instead of teaching him. Tech transfers plus access to cheap energy would have done far better but then the third world would have been more in control of its own destiny. Fear elicits a desire to make everything that's not firmly within their administrative grip slow down.
>Self reliance for countries
AKA a challenge to the global power structure. I agree with you.
>reduced human capacity
I do think we need a period of de-growth. It doesn't align with capitalism obviously, but the amount of resources either wasted or going into frivolous developments/businesses is sort of staggering. My wife for example works as a consultant for the government, she drives 1+ hrs to sit in an office and work on her laptop with her colleagues in other offices. No work from home policy. One small example of the insanity.
>Black person do you think solar energy is cheaper to generate than oil based?
NTA but yes, it is cheaper:
https://archive.is/wCxWq
>Solar panels have become so cheap that they are being used to build garden fences in the Netherlands and Germany, as a boom in Chinese production saturates the global market.
>A solar panel cost 11 US cents per watt at the end of March, or just half the price it was at the same time last year, according to BloombergNEF, and was expected to fall further in a “race to the bottom” as manufacturers competed to get rid of excess supply.
you are directly promoting the transfer of wealth from the middle class onto billionaires if you defend the oil industry this much
Yes they do, watch their national congress
How is paying more for electricity transferring wealth from the middle class?
Look I get that you’re an ideologically motivated moron, but think before you hit Post.
how are you paying more for green/nuclear compared to oil generated electricity moron?
idk man the current existing one in PRC seems to be doing great thus far
>nightmare with christmas lights
>not a single tree
>wildlife consisting of rats
>literally neon hell
no thanks
batteries and mining the asteroids instead of the crust
We already have the technology, we just have to cut off the food supply to thirdies, simple as that
thirdies are the ones suplying your food for very cheap(because they believe your currency is more valuable). not only that, but instead of being happy about a shrinking population, mother EVROPA is importing thirdies, because of
nta but the issue is
>be colonists
>have slavery
>oh noes we cant be slavers anymore
>okay we'll just call it capitalism, they are "workers"
>use third world as modern totally not slave labor
>use petroleum industry to feed everyone
>turn first world into third world once you've gained total control and destroyed their health and morale via media
The question is, what happens next? We have no functioning government, not one that works for it's populace. Of course resources are diminishing as is biodiversity and soil etc. last time we were here we just had a world war to correct things, and it seems like it's probably the only solution to the current problems short of turning society on its head. Either way, we're pretty fricked.
>get rid of cars and ads
Not so hard.
Destroying technology and reverting to a pre agrarian hunter gatherer society
energy storage
Fewer people, unlimited resources and unlimited fusion energy.
Even if we got all that we'll find a way to frick it up.
Because people are shitty. The answer to solving so many issues is to incentivize people being less shitty, but we do literally the opposite.
The solution is to make people less shitty, which can only be done via eugenics. We can start with TND.
>clean solarpunk utopia
imagine being this delusional, is mental illness just baked into leftism?
>believing the "left" is anything more than your new state sanctioned enemy (same goes for the right)
>mental illness
oh how revealing
>What technological advancements do we need in order to turn our planet into a beautiful and clean solarpunk utopia?
Just deport all the non-whites.
>i am going to die early from climate change just so a handful of rich people can make an imaginary line on a bar graph go up
Good thing is, if you die, you're contributing more to climate change positively. Hopefully, you'll consider it a great favor to the world by killing yourself early so we can save the world
>I am going to live in poverty just so a handful of rich people can keep flying their private jets
>i am going to die early from climate change
holy zoomer just die right now from a rope
It's called a gun and it's already been invented.
All we gotta do is kill all the non-whites with a particular emphasis on those of the hebrew faith and a utopia will spontaneously form.
Large and reusable space rockets that can move heavy/dirty human industry offworld, while making Earth into a agriculture world
Solarpunk is a Peet Bootyjudge meme, it's fully gay and eats cum and wieners.
none, the problem is corpos, oil tycoons, governments, the masses being a bunch of stupid sheep that take anything in the ass without b***hing as long as you do not take away food, societal issues, and likely a million other ones, some of which I'm aware and most of which I know nothing about
>solar punk
already exists its called india it sucks balls
5:50
these are all problems of poverty
i wanna throw cash to these people and see what they do with a higher budget. just to see.
They are problems of low average IQ and poor, genetically based, behavioral traits. If you threw cash at them, you would be horrified with the results.
Let us imagine the next round of COVID will this time mixmaster the genes so that the offspring will have an IQ of minimum 100 at today's scale, plus reduced need for immediate gratification.
Will that be sufficient to bring us a Solarpunk world?
Depends. If they still have the rest of their genetic traits, they will just be better at scheming and pulling scams. 100 MINIMUM would put them well above the rest of the world, though, assuming that the average moves up in proportion to the current minimum.
They might game it out and kill everyone else, now that they would be at the top and would have the intelligence to pull it off.
he does the same maneuver as the bald dude at the end of Mad Max Fury Road
Zyklon B.
Stop all air travel save for rescue helicopters. Limit the size of private boats to ten meters. Stop electric vehicle development until good batteries are developed so we don't waste precious rare earth materials. Fund biofuel research on a global scale since at least biodiesel can search as a drop in fuel for trucks, trains, and boats. If we're going full fantasy no military. Only have small arms to deal with animals.
The technology that instantly evaporates 100% of humans observed with a lopsided ratio of dumbass posts on the internet to being a normal fricking person.
Look at this guy, wanting to end the entire human race.
i unironically agree with that tho.
Where's the sovl?
nowhere
I guess the real question is, how do we convince people to stop using oil?
Make the alternative cheaper.
Make a better alternative. Oil is the world's blood right now. Everything plastic, everything transportation, everything packaging, everything utilities are oil bloodlines.
>make a shit load of nuclear plants, like way more than we need
>and support that with geo/hydro/solar/wind where applicable
>use the excess power to carbon capture from the ocean
>turn that into (net zero) synthetic fuel
The US Navy was/is looking into doing this at scale to supply their smaller ships, and the Air Force.
it does not matter what tech you get any improvement is swallowed up by the increase in population to the fill up the carrying capacity.
Unless your white or jap.
>technological advancements
We have all the tech necessary. We just don't have the will to use it. To many people are commited to creating the proverbial grim meathook future.
move to mars
I want the nuclear future that was stolen from us. Frick greenies and frick solar.
mfw nuclear winter
the reactors would keep us warm
Tsar Bomba
An authoritarian government who wants to copy solarpunk aesthetic
>What technological advancements do we need in order to turn our planet into a beautiful and clean solarpunk utopia?
We already got all the technology for this. Some parts of the world almost look like an Solarpunk utopia.
that pic looks AI generated
https://www.relations-publiques.pro/39171/in-sun-we-trust-lapplication-qui-veut-accelerer-la-transition-energetique.html
Such installations are also quite common in Germany.
A cheap battery made from common materials that can store as much energy as gasoline per weight.
Self sustaining fusion reactors
Bacteria or fungus that can break down plastic back into oil.
Nano technology that can self replicate and clean up our environment and extract/recycle resources.
Most of these would lead to techBlack folk paving over forests to build more shitty apartment buildings for immigrants to increase the GDP
It is weird how the packaging and presentation was a shade of Solarpunk, yet the contents was not. I don't think people even talked about Solarpunk back then.
national socialism
You're oversimplifying to the point of being moronic, frick off. You sound underage so you can come back when you're 18.
You are in denial about the absolute truth.
The truth really hurts your shitskin feelings huh?
Go watch more netflix that rewrites history to feel better.
I've been a white nationalist for 15 years you fricking moron. Go outside.
>nature bad because no free energy
have a nice day entitled Black person.
shalom
Go back to israel, foreskin eater
>delusional green flag also larps as a white nationalist
lmao
NTA but guess what political party was the first to propose green politics?
>society problem
Some is, like when you have famine and obesity epidemics in Africa at the same time. Then again, if you really want a future that looks like OP image, you sure need a lot of tech to make it work. Agritech is growing but a lot more is needed.
> NTA but guess what political party was the first to propose green politics
Was it the party that talked big but could never actually deliver?
>Was it the party that talked big but could never actually deliver?
Anon., that doesn't really narrow things down.
>How do we make utopia possible?
By killing many more people than the last tyrant who tried it
Imagine being as delusional as greentards. Jesus christ they're fricking morons.
I live in fricking Hawaii and electricity costs motherfricking 50 cents a kwh!
The feds and the state gave me tax credits to cover literally 60% of the fricking cost and I will still barely break even by the time my batteries can only hold 30% of the same charge they could originally.
Fricking larpers, kys.
>not installing a tesla home on your gazebo
>actually getting the "power grid" electricity that's fricked up by sea/salt water corroded cables
actually look for "energy providers" before living in fricking outta nowhere.
Eugenics. The answer is eugenics.
4000IQ supermen gigachads that follow the same consumption patterns that we have now will not make anything better
1. End the israelites.
2. Ban the spraying of sun-blocking chemtrails in our skies.
3. Bring back giant nazi space-mirrors.
>3. Bring back giant nazi space-mirrors.
With that backstory I guess geo engineering will be a hard sell.
Not everyone has given up yet:
>SPACE MIRRORS: DREAMS OF TURNING THE NIGHT INTO DAY AROUND THE CLOCK
https://hackaday.com/2024/04/03/space-mirrors-dreams-of-turning-the-night-into-day-around-the-clock/
>Recently, a company by former SpaceX employee Ben Nowack – called Reflect Orbital – announced that it is now ready to put gigantic mirrors in space to reflect sunshine at ground-based solar farms. This is an idea that’s been around for a hundred years already, both for purposes of defeating the night through reflecting sunshine onto the surface, as well as to reject the same sunshine and reduce the surface temperature. The central question here is perhaps what the effect would be of adding or subtracting (or both) of solar irradiation on such a large scale as suggested?
>End the night
Another Mongoloid idea, the same people who are installing LED lamps on streetlights to destroy your eyes. There are 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness, deal with it.
>12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness
>He doesn't live at the polar circle
are solar panels even eco friendly? gonna be funny if people 20 years from now start talking about how producing solar panels destroys the environment
I don't think that's a secret to anyone, the important thing is that they destroy it less than ever worse methods we're using now.
How? It only started to work when they switched to state capitalism and life there is still dystopian even if you're a rich chink.
>state capitalism
no it's market socialism, western economies and especially South Korea are State capitalist shitholes
You ideological Black folk just continue to make up terms
Even they don't refer to it as such despite loving the socialist LARP.
>punk
>utopia
Start by rewriting the dictionary, I guess.
fun fact: the "punk" in solarpunk, cyberpunk, dieselpunk, etc. actually refers to the lack of a (usually capitalist) government in works of fiction using those aesthetics.
Source? That is contrary to
.
>Believing Wikipedia is proof of anything
Anon....
I had a closer look. the wiki entry is a train wreck. Ref 7 is cited as
> Reina-Rozo, Juan David (2021-03-05). "Art, Energy and Technology: the Solarpunk Movement". International Journal of Engineering, Social Justice, and Peace. 8 (1): 47–60. doi:10.24908/ijesjp.v8i1.14292. ISSN 1927-9434. S2CID 233805052. The 'punk' in Solarpunk is about rebellion, counterculture, post-capitalism, decolonialism and enthusiasm. It is about going in a different direction than the mainstream, which is increasingly going in a scary direction.
See that?
>International Journal of Engineering, Social Justice, and Peace
That should raise red flags like a matador. Since we all have an appetite for sheer pain, let's go there. It is not pretty. All we get is an abstract that does not include the quoted text in the citation. The actual article is harder to find:
https://ojs.library.queensu.ca/index.php/IJESJP/article/download/14292/9521
Therein:
>Solarpunk is defined as an uprising of hope against the daily despair that these times bring. This movement may be considered as a countercultural rebellion to supplement literary pessimism in visions of how the future may be possible (Solarpunk Anarchist, 2016).
That is closer to reality but contrary to the wiki entry. The wiki quote is an opinion piece at the end under the belief that
>Solarpunk is at once a vision of the future, a thoughtful provocation, a way of living, and a set of achievable proposals to get there.
So while the former has a citation, the latter is merely an unsubstantiated opinion from a whoever.
>Power output not being slammed downwards every two seasons
>Rewriting thermodynamics for panel efficiency
>Space
I prefer nuclear
The Great Reset is inevitable.
homosexual detected
Just a reminder you can build your own Solarpunk home.
imagine being in there during a cozy snow storm. Imagine a hail storm...
Ah yes, being warm and safe during really bad weather is super comfy. A tropical indoors during a snow storm would be fantastic.
Germany got this as well
- 8 billion humans for a start.
Netherlands exist
it's not solarpunk until we have robot servants and no one has to work a grueling job for 8 hours a day
We have the technology now to do this now. The problem is not that we aren't technologically advanced enough, it's that the way we structure our society has not advanced enough. Progress is held back by those in power in order to maintain their position at the top of the hierarchy at the expense of the wellbeing of all others.
No technology will make your lives any better as long as the economy is designed is such a way that it values making more money above providing for human needs. Any technological improvements that make it easier to provide for your needs will only be used by those in power to exploit you even more efficiently, providing the same quality of life you have now while allowing them to extract even more money from you.
>We have the technology now to do this now.
Really? How do we get enough water and control the water in place to enable all this?
>Progress is held back by those in power in order to maintain their position at the top of the hierarchy at the expense of the wellbeing of all others.
I often hear such arguments but I am not convinced the people at the top are willing to turn the world into a junk yard just to gain a minor advantage. the middle class has a better lifestyle than nobility did 1000 years ago.
>I am not convinced the people at the top are willing to turn the world into a junk yard just to gain a minor advantage.
The people who rise to the top are not those who are the smartest or hardest working. They are those who are most willing to exploit others for their personal gain, even if it causes them great harm. If the entire world is rendered uninhabitable by their actions, it is irrelevent to them. With or without total environmental destruction, they will still be dead in a few decades either way. So while becoming excessively rich may not actually improve their lives any, It does have the effect of making them feel like they've done something important with their lives. It's really more of a way for them to cope with their own mortality than anything else.
>The nobility argument
People worked less and had live expectancies equal to ours (when we don't skew for infant mortality, lots of kids died back then). Either way a race to the bottom or comparing ourselves to 1000 years ago is a little silly. What isn't silly is acknowledging that we are in decline. I don't want that statement to get washed over, we, our species, are in decline, like, we are rolling down a hill towards death as a species in almost every measurable way.
>Life expectancy decreasing in developed nations
>Economic stability worse than ever
>Work life balance and cost of living to income ratios steadily decreasing for most of the pop.
>Cancer rates rising in all populations
>Mental health issues rising in all populations
>Resources running out globally, from fertilizers that fueled our population boom to literally fuel
>Collapse of various key animal species leading to food chain breakdowns (fish, insects)
>Deforestation for grazing at highest ever
>Intelligence decline in kids
>Not to mention the multi front war drums beating across the globe
On the topic of technology, it's pretty frustrating to know we had the opportunity to use the tech of the industrial revolution to create a utopia, but instead we just did feudalism 2.0 under the name of capitalism. It was great for maybe 30 years, but as most predicted, capitalism eventually eats itself. We are doing it again with the green washing, electric car bullshit, wasting precious resources to buy a little more time in the end stage capitalism horror show we are all in. At least we got tomogochis and Diddy Kong racing, and VR is cool I guess.
My point was not so much about life expectancy than quality of life. Famine is now unlikely, we can expect to get food, we can travel and experience a lot more than people did just 100 years ago.
As for health I agree that infant mortality was high. Still, antibiotics took care of bacterial infections which used to be a major killer. Pacemakers, hearing aids, titanium joints and more are also rathe recent addition to quality of life and life expectancy.
So we had a lot of gains, unfortunately there is now, as you write, a lot of stagnation and decline. The rot is everywhere, reaching the core of society, and I am not sure how we can get out of it.
>the middle class has a better lifestyle than nobility did 1000 years ago.
It is true that life is much better than it was 1000 years ago. However, it is not through technological innovation alone that this has happened. Along side those technological advancements, we have also developed the ways our society is structured to better take advantage of those innovations. One of the the biggest changes being that we are no longer ruled by kings who's rule is considered an act of divine will and goes entirely unquestioned.
If our society today was restructured to fully take advantage of modern technologies to provide for peoples needs, we could see a similar massive improvement to the way people live. One where the average person's lives are made better than even the lives of richest men alive today.
been thinking about picking one of these up. obvs i don't expect it to power my entire home, but just using it to charge my laptop, phone, Nintendo switch, etc. would be kinda cool. thoughts?
>using it to charge my laptop, phone, Nintendo switch
You can charge your phone or half of one of the other two, and you can do it once per day.
That's handy. Does it have to be in actual sunlight, or can I leave it next to a window?
I have to place it in direct sunlight or it will not charge. I experimented with the setup and when placing it in a white table the diffuse reflections are sufficient to noticeably increase the charging rate. Direct sunlight is still also needed.
I have a panel the size of an A4 sheet that I use to charge my phone. It takes a few hours but it works. I mainly use it for a slow recharge so that the battery will last me many years.
black powder
i didn't know he was so hot what the frick????? need his bwc like you wouldn't believe
>clean solarpunk utopia
I think the cleanliness will inevitable come over time and not too far into the future. Rubbish and waste are in most cases resources that are not yet exploited. For instance people complain that sewage is full of phosphorus that acts as nutrients causing algae blooms, yet at the same time people agree the world is running out of commercially available sources.