Half? He's like 5% the size of the OP pic where he dwarfs a 747. In Tolkien's drawing that's Bilbo for comparison, who's half the size of a human.A human could literally put a chokehold on Smaug.
Smaug got completely exaggerated in legend by those Dale homosexuals to make their accomplishment seem like a big deal.
Same with the dwarves exaggerated how much gold he stole from them. >"Hey Gloin, Smaug took 200 gold bars from us, right?" >"Yea... uh, I mean, no! It was, um... 6 million! Yes, 6 million has a nice ring to it kekekekeke!"
Half? He's like 5% the size of the OP pic where he dwarfs a 747. In Tolkien's drawing that's Bilbo for comparison, who's half the size of a human.A human could literally put a chokehold on Smaug.
Tolkien admitted he drew him vastly too small and Bilbo too big as well
That was never intended to actually represent size
Yesterday I had a vision in which armies were walking toward a pit with a dragon head and the camera was slowly zooming out and with humans there were traveling some huge lizards, and those lizards and humans were traveling on even bigger lizards, and the destionation, the dragonhead was so huge that probably millions of men would be able to stand on its eye
And then the camera zoomed out to the whol3 Earth and there were a dozen of such pits with dragonheads vidible from Earth, one of the pits were the size of Iceland
One time I had a dream I was in a valley like where you find that black dragon in dark souls 1
Well he was lying on the ground, exhausted and bloodied and wounded and he was staring at me and I could hear him crying, telling me how he didn't want go to Hell and that he was terrified
Then a knight came and stabbed the dragon in his head and he shuddered and started begging to not have to go there and then he died
I felt sorry for the dragon even though I knew he had done evil things, he made me pity him
Also I have a strange complex where seeing the prideful and powerful brought to their knees, humbled and humiliated fills me with angst
The physical size of the mythical creatures doesn't matter all that much. One half-elf and some eagles killed Ancalagon. You have to remember that the whole world of middle earth is a dream, a song of a God. It's like a video game, you can scale up the size of the end boss but all that really matters is the stats.
For example, When Gandolf is fighting the Balrog there is a lot of hidden fighting going on outside of the material world. They are fighting in a mythopoeic sense, not a physical one.
This. Animals today (elephants and whales) are the maximum size which could be sustainable in our current conditions. If we believe the Middle Earth exists in same conditions as Earth so that humans may live on it, those huge dragons would be crushed by their own weight as soon as they spawned.
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Woooooah, it's almost like it's a fantasy world or something
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Anonymous
>If we believe the Middle Earth exists in same conditions as Earth
Brother, I literally explained that the world isn't the same in my reply
He was alive when the world was flat, before the Changing of the World in the Second Age, not sure gravity was the same.
THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY FRICKING SENSE. THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE SAYING X > Y > X? HOW CAN X BE BIGGER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS BIGGER THAN ITSELF, THAT WOULD MEAN IT'S BIGGER THAN ITSE SELF
THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY FRICKING SENSE. THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE SAYING X > Y > X? HOW CAN X BE BIGGER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS BIGGER THAN ITSELF, THAT WOULD MEAN IT'S BIGGER THAN ITSE SELF
I believe I could shed a light on what
We have a new estimates on recent finds from Tolkiens notes.
He was a big guy.
meant to say.
The ultimate purpose of this image can be summed up in one word: IRONY. In irony, the author doesn't necessarily want to state a truth, but, most of the times, the opposite of it; in other words, it's a comedic resource that tries to indicate a certain truth via contrast, i. e., NEGATION.
So, in the context of the image discussed, the author is resorting to irony in order to indicate the negation of what he's actually displaying in the aforementioned image. In this case, the logical conclusion we can extract from the illustration, i.e., X > Y > X, is not what the author is trying to convey, but instead it's negation (~(X > Y > X). I could show the meticulous steps I used, founded in the most elemental axioms of logic, to reach the conclusion I'm about to show you; however, given it would take far more characters than this essay already requires, I'll jump right into the final conclusion. To the most demanding minds in this discussion, I would suggest you to wait for a more detailed demonstration in the book I'll seek to publish in a possible future.
The logical conclusion on the real message of the author's image is that (~(X > Y > X)), therefore (X <= Y <= X). However, X < X would be a contradiction, since it breaks the principle of identity. Therefore, (X = Y = X), and, to simplify the equation, (X = Y).
Now, we have reached the logical representation of the author's true affirmation. However those who analyzed the equation carefully would say something is missing. And in fact it is.
We have a relation of "equality" that connects both elements in question (i. e., the legendary dragon Ancalagon and the geographic territory of the State of Texas). But we never discussed in what sense both entities are "equal". Naturally, we could never say that a dragon from a fictional piece of fantastic literature can be the same entity as the graphical representation of the geographic limits that are held by a state. The context of this thread gives us the final hint that can glue the pieces together: SIZE. So, the relation represented by the symbols (=, >, <) can be interpreted as "same size as", "less size than", and "more size than", respectivelly.
So, the final conclusion of my line of though leads us to the following statement: "The dragon Ancalagon has the same size as the state of Texas".
You wouldn't think so, but the dragons survived for millennia after Morgoth's defeat, so they must somehow be able to breed. Though we never see a female in Tolkien's stuff.
Like many reptiles, dragons probably have 2 penises that come out of a hole when erect. Reptiles also have a dominant penis. They can be left-penised or right-penised, like how humans have dominant hands.
If you go back to Beowulf, you know that the dragon is a metaphor for war and treasure hoard, the ring-giver is a kenning for King, Lord / thane / atheling who distributes rings ie torcs, gold treasure / spoils, honour and glory amongst his warrior companions.
Tolkien wrote a poem called The Hoard which is essentially about how greed accumulated in a treasure hoard leads to ruin. The poem is here:
http://www.councilofelrond.com/2007/08/the-hoard-a-poetry-analysis/
Similarly, the dragon battle at the end of Beowulf arrives before a premonition of war and anarchy, intertwined with some Christian grail myth (some scholars believe this was added later) that strongly suggests the accumulation of treasure / unequal distribution of wealth, leads to covetousness, avarice, bloodshed, sin and downfall. This is what Beowulf is truly fighting and what he dies to in the end. So the dragon and treasure hoard in these stories is really a parable about how greed and unequal distribution of wealth lead to war. Of course Tolkien plagiarised all this and then in the films we get the opposite message Men Of The West You Must Fight etc. etc. because modern audiences can no longer situate fiction within history.
I appreciate the post here. I think it's also worth considering the dragon qua draco standard and it's connotations, and the fact that Germanic society ran on the circulation of loot in exchange for service.
if Ancalagon was that big wouldn't there be an enormous dragon skeleton lying around somewhere? Even if he died like 10,000 years ago the bones would probably still be there
>literally just pop a squat on any city
i assume this never happens and tolkien did not think about this at all?
Where did Tolkien give the size of Smaug? He drew him like half the size in that pic.
Half? He's like 5% the size of the OP pic where he dwarfs a 747. In Tolkien's drawing that's Bilbo for comparison, who's half the size of a human.A human could literally put a chokehold on Smaug.
>A human could literally put a chokehold on Smaug.
Come try it, pussy.
-Smaug
Probably because it’s inspired by the dragon in Beowulf
Smaug got completely exaggerated in legend by those Dale homosexuals to make their accomplishment seem like a big deal.
Same with the dwarves exaggerated how much gold he stole from them.
>"Hey Gloin, Smaug took 200 gold bars from us, right?"
>"Yea... uh, I mean, no! It was, um... 6 million! Yes, 6 million has a nice ring to it kekekekeke!"
Tolkien admitted he drew him vastly too small and Bilbo too big as well
That was never intended to actually represent size
I don't remember this image
Don't get a shit edition next time, then.
Yesterday I had a vision in which armies were walking toward a pit with a dragon head and the camera was slowly zooming out and with humans there were traveling some huge lizards, and those lizards and humans were traveling on even bigger lizards, and the destionation, the dragonhead was so huge that probably millions of men would be able to stand on its eye
And then the camera zoomed out to the whol3 Earth and there were a dozen of such pits with dragonheads vidible from Earth, one of the pits were the size of Iceland
That was a cool vision anon. I pictured it in my mind and it was intense. What a beast you describe
Ah yes, a vision of Satans armies in the end times
One time I had a dream I was in a valley like where you find that black dragon in dark souls 1
Well he was lying on the ground, exhausted and bloodied and wounded and he was staring at me and I could hear him crying, telling me how he didn't want go to Hell and that he was terrified
Then a knight came and stabbed the dragon in his head and he shuddered and started begging to not have to go there and then he died
based knight
I felt sorry for the dragon even though I knew he had done evil things, he made me pity him
Also I have a strange complex where seeing the prideful and powerful brought to their knees, humbled and humiliated fills me with angst
He's a big guy.
bump
heh
underrated post
oooh I just got it
underrated
i chuckled softly
Amazing.
Very nice
Well done
why is everyone replying to this
newbies plus large reply count syndrome.
four yous.
here's your (You), you'll get it one day
I know what it means you tremendous moronic homosexual. Here's your rage reply.
because you're a newbie
probably he's a bald guy meme idk i dont read
Fuuuuuuuuck
Impressive. Nice.
o7
Congratulations, just when I thought this joke was done.
Christ, look at IQfy getting ecstatic over a joke post that was novel on IQfy a decade ago
I don't browse IQfy so it was the first time I've seen that joke and I found it quite funny.
I don't browse IQfy. You sound like you always have to one-up everyone you meet.
Basiert
for you
checkdd
The physical size of the mythical creatures doesn't matter all that much. One half-elf and some eagles killed Ancalagon. You have to remember that the whole world of middle earth is a dream, a song of a God. It's like a video game, you can scale up the size of the end boss but all that really matters is the stats.
For example, When Gandolf is fighting the Balrog there is a lot of hidden fighting going on outside of the material world. They are fighting in a mythopoeic sense, not a physical one.
That's an inaccurate image.
Just how big is that mountain if that dragon is that large
about tree fiddy
If the dragon is that large, the mountain is *that* large. Kinda the point of a to-scale comparison..
Imagining just me, a white man wielding a long sword and silver armor, walking towards this enormous beast, prepared for a glorious death
How the frick do you fight this thing?
Ask Earendil.
With a flying boat iirc
You wait for gravity to do its job
He was alive when the world was flat, before the Changing of the World in the Second Age, not sure gravity was the same.
This. Animals today (elephants and whales) are the maximum size which could be sustainable in our current conditions. If we believe the Middle Earth exists in same conditions as Earth so that humans may live on it, those huge dragons would be crushed by their own weight as soon as they spawned.
Woooooah, it's almost like it's a fantasy world or something
>If we believe the Middle Earth exists in same conditions as Earth
Brother, I literally explained that the world isn't the same in my reply
Brother makes a good point.
Nukes
We have a new estimates on recent finds from Tolkiens notes.
He was a big guy.
>Body the size of north america
jesus christ
> Ancalagon > Texas > Ancalagon
?????
It's a joke, you shmuck.
Wait.. HE'S RIGHT
THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY FRICKING SENSE. THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S LIKE SAYING X > Y > X? HOW CAN X BE BIGGER THAN SOMETHING THAT IS BIGGER THAN ITSELF, THAT WOULD MEAN IT'S BIGGER THAN ITSE SELF
That's crazy.
I believe I could shed a light on what
meant to say.
The ultimate purpose of this image can be summed up in one word: IRONY. In irony, the author doesn't necessarily want to state a truth, but, most of the times, the opposite of it; in other words, it's a comedic resource that tries to indicate a certain truth via contrast, i. e., NEGATION.
So, in the context of the image discussed, the author is resorting to irony in order to indicate the negation of what he's actually displaying in the aforementioned image. In this case, the logical conclusion we can extract from the illustration, i.e., X > Y > X, is not what the author is trying to convey, but instead it's negation (~(X > Y > X). I could show the meticulous steps I used, founded in the most elemental axioms of logic, to reach the conclusion I'm about to show you; however, given it would take far more characters than this essay already requires, I'll jump right into the final conclusion. To the most demanding minds in this discussion, I would suggest you to wait for a more detailed demonstration in the book I'll seek to publish in a possible future.
The logical conclusion on the real message of the author's image is that (~(X > Y > X)), therefore (X <= Y <= X). However, X < X would be a contradiction, since it breaks the principle of identity. Therefore, (X = Y = X), and, to simplify the equation, (X = Y).
Now, we have reached the logical representation of the author's true affirmation. However those who analyzed the equation carefully would say something is missing. And in fact it is.
We have a relation of "equality" that connects both elements in question (i. e., the legendary dragon Ancalagon and the geographic territory of the State of Texas). But we never discussed in what sense both entities are "equal". Naturally, we could never say that a dragon from a fictional piece of fantastic literature can be the same entity as the graphical representation of the geographic limits that are held by a state. The context of this thread gives us the final hint that can glue the pieces together: SIZE. So, the relation represented by the symbols (=, >, <) can be interpreted as "same size as", "less size than", and "more size than", respectivelly.
So, the final conclusion of my line of though leads us to the following statement: "The dragon Ancalagon has the same size as the state of Texas".
what does he eat?
Imagine the amount of taxes diverted towards only the daily feeding of such a creature.
Ancalagon is going to be in the Prime series
Can someone photoshop Jeb onto this
I meant Jeb doing tbis to take the place of the big dragon
Ancalagon have penis?
You wouldn't think so, but the dragons survived for millennia after Morgoth's defeat, so they must somehow be able to breed. Though we never see a female in Tolkien's stuff.
Like many reptiles, dragons probably have 2 penises that come out of a hole when erect. Reptiles also have a dominant penis. They can be left-penised or right-penised, like how humans have dominant hands.
What?
Read another book.
>Tldr; Tolkien is rubbish, read Beowulf
The size of the dragon is not important.
If you go back to Beowulf, you know that the dragon is a metaphor for war and treasure hoard, the ring-giver is a kenning for King, Lord / thane / atheling who distributes rings ie torcs, gold treasure / spoils, honour and glory amongst his warrior companions.
Tolkien wrote a poem called The Hoard which is essentially about how greed accumulated in a treasure hoard leads to ruin. The poem is here:
http://www.councilofelrond.com/2007/08/the-hoard-a-poetry-analysis/
Similarly, the dragon battle at the end of Beowulf arrives before a premonition of war and anarchy, intertwined with some Christian grail myth (some scholars believe this was added later) that strongly suggests the accumulation of treasure / unequal distribution of wealth, leads to covetousness, avarice, bloodshed, sin and downfall. This is what Beowulf is truly fighting and what he dies to in the end. So the dragon and treasure hoard in these stories is really a parable about how greed and unequal distribution of wealth lead to war. Of course Tolkien plagiarised all this and then in the films we get the opposite message Men Of The West You Must Fight etc. etc. because modern audiences can no longer situate fiction within history.
I appreciate the post here. I think it's also worth considering the dragon qua draco standard and it's connotations, and the fact that Germanic society ran on the circulation of loot in exchange for service.
I read The Silmarillion like a month ago and I don't remember any dragon called Ancalagon, I do remember Glaurung though.
Ancalagon appears in the same sentence he dies in. He's over-hyped by DnD larpers.
What?
Ancalagon's first appearance is his death.
dayummm, thats a showethought right there
Someone post the edit with Saint Georges
More like your drake lol
was Smaug such a homosexual?
no
if Ancalagon was that big wouldn't there be an enormous dragon skeleton lying around somewhere? Even if he died like 10,000 years ago the bones would probably still be there
Imagine the bone marrow. Entire cities could feast for months on his femur alone
The landscape changed a lot since the First Age. It's possible that would've destroyed his bones.
Was Glaurung the dragon in The Children of Húrin?
I can't go back to dragons that don't scream "ahhhhh, dicky!!!" as they attack the heroine.
The cursed undead dragon was cool too I guess.