Whatever you do, whatever you didn't do... it was all pre-destined. You can rage against this all you want, but in the end your words and deeds were never yours to decide on. The cards are all held by God, and the deck is stacked. The house always wins. Accept this or not, you are all powerless to defy it, just as you are powerless to fly under your own natural power. There is only one will by which all existence is conducted.
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Based
Sorry, I meant debased, as Jean Cohen was.
some of you heretics are alright, done come to Geneva tomorrow
Calvinism is just Islam but with even less fun and more usury.
You know nothing about islam if you think it's more fun than calvinism. It's not.
What a complete disaster. Really goes to show the sheer delusion of men that it ever took root, that any gave it their ear.
>The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?
Why can't we have Calvinism but with apostolic succession, sacraments, and bishops? Shit would be 100% mega based.
That was what Anglicanism was supposed to be
No popery
It was called Jansenism but never catched up. Some Old Catholic communities are pretty close to it
That’s just cruel
"the deck is stacked" and "the house always wins" signify different things, the first means fraud and being set up to lose, the second means the establishment always profits from your activities regardless of the outcome, it does not imply any malice or manipulation
Both may be applicable to Calvinism but the usage in this post implies the poster believes them to be equivalent
Is consciousness and "choices" anything more than just arrangements of chemicals, causality, and antecedence? If we re-created the same exact spatio-temporal arrangement of matter, the positions of atoms, and their velocities. Would it suddenly behave differently? There's only ONE possible way any given situation could've gone. If you hit rewind and played the same scene again, it would play out exactly the same. Get mad toxic male.
It seems that there is some RNG involved in physics
>It's not pre-determined. It's random!
You realize this doesn't help your "free will" case right? You still have no control.
I do not believe in free will
Based Freudian slip catcher but Calvinists don't care how bad they make God look. They even say he decreed the actions of Ian Watkins. It's a different gospel; well indeed there is no gospel on Calvinism.
>The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. (Revelation 20:13)
Based
Trust the plan calvin-bros.
Why would God seethe at his own decree?
>The cards are all held by God
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
If you believe in Divine foreknowledge then Calvinism would be the logical conclusion of that.
Divine foreknowledge implies that God knows what actions agents take before they actually happen. This implies that the actions that God has foreknowledge of would have to be real in some sense. Because knowledge needs to rely on some logical/ontological structure (i.e. the future needs to be ontologically instantiated). If this wasn't the case then, God doesn't have foreknowledge. As you can't have knowledge on something that didn't happen. He would just have predictive powers.
And since God has foreknowledge he has causally created futures by thinking about them(thus making the future ontologically instantiated ). This implies Fatalism as future events would be known by God. He would know what actions would take place at the beginning (If Humans have free will then they can do otherwise and the outcome would have to be not decided). The outcome of a human would have been decided at the beginning of creation. Where there would only be one end point. So, that would imply fatalism.
The Hyper Calvinist position is just the logical conclusion of Divine foreknowledge. If Agents do not have free will then, making ethical claims would be impossible as Agents can't do otherwise so they can't be held responsible.
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God is real btw and you can't prove otherwise.