Whatever you think of Stalin, how can you argue he was the most successful leader of all time?
>born into a family of serfs
>become the undisputed leader of the largest country in the world
>defeat the biggest invasion in human history
>turn an impoverished illiterate backwater into a global superpower
>spread his ideology to over half the world's population
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Except for the fact that he was moronic enough to fuel Hitlers economy until dude came knocking
Got to admire a man who cleans up his own mistakes.
Literally
>fuel germoid blitzkrieg in europe
>dumb germoid instead of allying with you chimps out
>still loses
his ideology to over half the world's population
lolwut
they were allied though
>everyone i dont like is nazi hurrrrrrrr
i fricking hate socialists
genocide deniers are on a whole nother level of moronation
muh shitler
imagine worshipping a gay drug addict who destroyed europe
fascists have always run russia lol
wether its stalin, the tsars, putin, its all the same shit, they love licking that boot!
>let me tell you about your country
frick off mutt ape
take a walk, oh wait you can't you obese fricking monkey you can only drive haha fricking moron
death to america
>turn an impoverished illiterate backwater into a global superpower
I love how moronic commies come up with the same arguments over and over again.
To the USSR didn't eliminate illiteracy, electrify the country, massively boost science and education?
And?
Do you want me to applaud for importing machine tools and teachers to start industrialization after any other capitalist country already did it?
Would have been a superpower with that in an 18-th century maybe.
Their science was virtually nonexistent btw, they contributed NOTHING AT ALL in a century of unprecedented technological progress and thousands of inventions (in medicines alone kek - they didn't invent even a single one).
The moron singlehandedly destroyed the whole potential of Eurasia.
Obvious bait post.
>russians never got to know the potential of free market economies
They literally got that in the 1990s.
God is the biggest totalitarian of all time.
>massively boost science and education?
Reminds me of that tankie a while ago on this board that unironically tried to defend Lysenkoism as a scientific theory.
So a country goes from being the most illiterate in Europe, to launching the first satellite, dog, and man into space, and you are talking about some new ager from the '30s?
nn
>launching the first satellite, dog, and man into space, and you are talking about some new ager from the '30s?
Yes because the new ager actually worked for Stalin.
That's like saying American scientific breakthroughs don't matter because of the Snopes tiral
What you always leave out is how much de industrialization and waste Russia suffered over the previous decades due to communist insanity before Stalin turned it back around
Russia was well on its way before the communists. In fact, the rest of europe was terrified of it. The communist revolution and communist rule set the country back probably 3 decades
>Russia was well on its way before the communists. In
Before the communist. Tsarist reactionaries mass murdered millions of peasants in famines and in their autocratic prison system. So many them died due to neglect from the regime.
>he communist revolution and communist rule set the country back probably 3 decades
Opposite is true. The communists brought those backwater, feudal countries to the 20th century. With communism - they'd still be in the stone ages.
>Before the communist. Tsarist reactionaries mass murdered millions of peasants in famines and in their autocratic prison system. So many them died due to neglect from the regime.
Oh no how terrible that would be
>The communists brought those backwater, feudal countries to the 20th century. With communism - they'd still be in the stone ages.
Imagine typing up these words just to win an internet argument
>Imagine typing up these words just to win an internet argument
Imagine spreading white emigrate propaganda about the Soviet Union, online, for free
Just have a nice day please
Like Stalin made Hitler do in his bunker?
Killing yourself is what intelligent people do in that situation. What kind of low IQ tard would allow themselves to be captured, tortured, and humiliated? Maybe a mongoloid Stalin-bred Russian would.
Guess who died peacefully in his sleep while owning half the world, while his enemy was in ruins. Hint, it wasn't Hitler.
Guess who people still talk about and seethe over today, and will for the next 200 years... versus the other who only trannies on the internet talk about? Stalin will always be just "average." Hell, he isn't even as popular as his mentors.
>Guess who people still talk about and seethe over today
The Soviet Union. Fascists have nightmares about being raped by Soviet women. You should really read the Yugoslavic partisan counts. They would rip the dicks of German soldiers, and frick their faces with it. Then shoot them in the head. Its really erotica stuff.
More degenerate troony fantasies! Luckily you people don't live past 35 or have children. You are forgotten in time like your little Stalin, who will NEVER be as popular as Hitler.
Yugoslav women cut the penises off enemy men and castrated them after performing femdom BDSM style CBT on them. Both Yugoslav female partisans in World War II and women in the Balkan wars of the 1990s did it to enemies. The Yugoslav Serbian female partisans did it to Hungarian Catholic priests, German Nazi soldiers and Italian Fascist soldiers
>Tarn,Savill] Mira: Yugoslavian markswoman of World War II, the fiercest of many female Partizans against the Nazis. She was tough and stocky, in her middle twenties. “She was totally dedicated to killing Germans,” said a friend. Milica was also a guerrilla fighter who fought many actions,killed hundreds of Nazis, and was eventually killed in an ambush. Another woman soldier of Tito's forces was Vera Kriuzman; there were hundreds more, unheralded. “The women were feared by the Nazis. Once, two of them did a tap dance,in jack boots, on the stomach and genitals of a spread eagle German officer.Another woman shot off the fingers of a Nazi soldier, castrated him, and made him choke on his own genitals.
Sweet fanfic! Where is Yugoslavia now? AHAHAHA!
LOL your "great" leader lost a war against people he considered "subhuman" and killed himself. What a loser. I guess that's why you like him so much, because he's a loser with autism and mental illness who never got laid (just like you)
>Guess who died peacefully in his sleep
stalin died breakdancing on the floor in his own shit and piss because no one dared to actually enter his office and help him
the shit tankies tell themselves, lol
>allow themselves to be captured, tortured, and humiliated?
Millions of German women who made communist babies
I am not joking around here. Please. For everyone's sake. I know you've thought about it. Now is the time to act. You know it is right.
It's commonly known that trannies make up most suicides per capita, so you're simply projecting. No, I will not go to Hell with you.
>Hail my fellow cisgendered Christian heterosexual gentiles! Boy we sure love Stalin don't we.
>Boy we sure love Stalin don't we.
Why wouldn't we?
Stalin
>Banned abortion
>Awarded women for child birth
>Maintained the family
>Ended prostitution
>Put gays into gulags
Stalin, unlike, was an actual conservative. Hitler was a israeli meth-head and Rothschild agent
>Banned abortion
>Awarded women for child birth
He did that because all of that was shit Lenin instated and it absolutely destroyed Russia’s birth rate when he was gearing up for a war, not because he was based trad lol
>Maintained the family
See above, needed more people
>Ended prostitution
See above
>Put gays into gulags
He hated gays so I wouldn’t doubt it but that’s about it
>Stalin hated gays but he wasn't a based trad
>he was a degenerate like me!
Hahaha fricking nazi moron.
Communists have a habit of not following through on their ideology and picking and choosing what they want to, Stalin literally made anti semitism punishable by death so what ground do you think you have to stand on here lol
>Stalin literally made anti semitism punishable by death
The death penalty is pretty conservative
You know the really weird thing about Stalin, though? Didn't he expel israelites from the high quarters of the Soviet party? If this is the case, how come there came to be so many israeli Oligarchs in Russia?
>Didn't he expel israelites from the high quarters of the Soviet party?
Basically, he had a handful of them killed because they were being nationalists/Zionists what with the creation of Israel, and thus, bad communists but it’s not like he instated any kind of antisemitic laws to prevent them from having power or anything, so business just went about as usual in the following decades when he was assassinated with israelites israeliteing it up (Lav Beria himself, the NKVD chief who likely assassinated him was israeli himself by the way).
Stalin wasn't assassinated.
Oh absolutely. As a fellow white heterosexual Christian I say long live the glorious revolution, the real ethnostate is global Marxism.
Yes, Jesus was a communist. Correct. Glad we agree.
I knew you would reply, because you are a shill, and shills are paid for engagement. Apparently there is some campaign to promote communism as the real reactionary conservatism, which is so stupid it boggles the mind.
Anyways I won't be replying any more, but I strongly urge you to commit suicide, and not actually being a Christian you really have no reason not to. Do something good for once.
Pill time
>foreign-backed Civil War
lmao, yes, a civil war caused by foreign-backed extremists (the Bolsheviks) leading a coup.
A civil war caused by foreign-backed white terror legions that did pogroms, aided by US, Britain, France, and just about every reactionary fascist bourgeois country in the world to crush a workers' rebellion
Do you actually believe that? The workers didn't give a shit
Most industrial workers supported the Bolsheviks. Not all working class people are brainwashed zombie slaves of Big Business like Amerisharts
>Source
>Straight outta ur ass
The color revolutions of 1989 is proof Stalin should have killed more people
>However, all clearly indicate that the Bolsheviks were clear winners in the urban centres, and also took around two-thirds of the votes of soldiers on the Western Front.
They also won the elections in the Soviets themselves.
KYS illiterate moron
were clear winners in the urban centres
centers
Hmm.. is that suppose to mean something?
>Lying on IQfy of all places
Very sad Black person. Bolsheviks have never ever won a single election. This is already a common fact.
It means most urban people (proletariat, urban workers) supported the Bolsheviks. They still do today BTW, that's why the 1996 elections in Russia had to be rigged by the Clinton administration to prevent the Communists from winning.
Oooh.. But i thought all workers were part of prolertariat? Why is it that only urban workers matter? this is why ur an idiot and why no one will ever take communist seriously. Because urbanites are easily brainwashed. The gay union barely even lasted half a century and for good reason.
Such a moron, you don't even know the definition of proletariat, yet you pretend you know enough to have a discussion. You don't, your posts are low IQ neo-con Jes Bush style Cold War propaganda
>He assumes you have to be an urbanite to be a proletariat
>Resorts to ad hominen when he cant argue his own ignorance
Yeah buddy... Im the the moron.
It was real Communism. And it was amazing. Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty and illiteracy. Free healthcare and education for everyone. Massive advances in science and culture. Only at the cost of killing human trash like yourself and other right-wing subhumans.
It's going to be funny to watch the US fall to Communism in 20 years and moronic incel /misc/tards like yourself get sentenced to hard labor in Socialist Alaska
>Hundreds of millions lifted out of poverty
That's one way to say slaughtered in gulags.
People like you, who oppose goodness and a more humane society, deserve to be slaughtered in gulags though
>I want to murder millions of people for offending me on twitter
>but I'm totally the good guy here
You want to murder millions of communists, who are generally the most intelligent, kind people in a society. I want to murder millions of people who want to murder millions of communists - most of those people are incels, nazis, neets, capitalists, and other trash.
>who are generally the most intelligent,kind people in a society
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!
Einstein was a Communist who praised Stalin. The smartest person in history (William James Sidis) who entered Harvard at age 12 had his reputation ruined for opposing WW1 as a socialist.
Shite-wingers are 99% incels, degenerates, neets, and brainlets, with a 1% of sociopathic cold blooded elites who rule the world
>Einstein was a Communist
And a israelite who worked at a patent office stole all his work like everyother commie israelite.
>William James Sidis
>Muh IQ
Get a load of this gay. He also died alone and worthless like the gay he is.
Reminder that all the nations, kingdoms, empires or whatever u wanna call them were founded by people who would be considered right wingers. All the greated leaders in history could all be considered right wing.
Alexander
Ceasar
Augustus
Napoleon
Charlemange
Reminder that leftoids have never created a country Only steal what right wingers have created and make it even a shittier country.
I'm not sure if you're 12 or moronic, but I regret to inform you that the left-right distinction doesn't really apply prior to the 18th century.
Also, you should know that Julius Caesar was a man of the people, murdered by money-grubbing landlords.
>but I regret to inform you that the left-right distinction doesn't really apply prior to the 18th century.
Cope and dilate
>Julius Caesar was a man of the people,
Julius Caesar was textbook facism which is a good thing.
Cope some more
You'd think fascists would know what fascism is, but, then again, it's the ideology by morons, for morons.
>he doesn't understand that the material world affects ideology and culture
Another day, another moron.
There used to be erudite fascists, real supervillain types. They could read, make arguments. Still fascists, still evil, but at least they were intellectual. Now fascists are just angry man children thinking about converting to Catholicism because they follow a tradcath twitter account.
I guess the same thing happened to communism too in a lot of ways, adopted by dipshit liberals who have never read Marx but know that conservatives b***h about communism so they assume it means "maximally woke".
For you
A fascist is a man who optimizes his entire state for wars.
Caesar did no such thing. Caesar had a volunteer army and nothing else.
>Be leftoid
>Must create a safe space otherwise ur entire system collapses.
Remind me again why u arent moronic?
I dunno man, my impression of "safe space" folks is that they rarely leave their safe space.
Venturing into unfriendly lands to carve out spaces of civilization and sanity? Based Communist Conquistadors.
>muh gommunist gonquistadors
mental illness
cried the colonized, too weak to defend their lands
This is the story you clowns tell me, btw
On the internet, IRL you commit suicide or get smacked
Julius Caesar was a communist. He was a proto-Stalin.
>but I regret to inform you that the left-right distinction doesn't really apply prior to the 18th century
because anything that could be defined as left-wing didn't exist prior to the industrial revolution. Your ideology is shit if it requires advanced technology to even start becoming theoretically viable. Same reason so many leftists daydream about "gay space communism", leftism is an ideology for daydreaming man childs
Alexander wanted to blend Greek and Persian cultures. /misc/tards would call him a race traitor today
Caesar was a populare who was the most left-wing leader of his time
August is overrated
Napoleon was a progressive. /misc/tards would call him a "commie" for getting rid of the "based" feudal system
Charlemagne is overrated
>AAAAAHH! /misc/TARD NOOO MYY HECKING DISCORD SISTERS SAVE ME!!
Have sex and get a job gay.
>You'd think fascists would know what fascism is, but, then again, it's the ideology by morons, for morons.
They do thats why facism created the greatest empire in european history.. Meanwhile communism created a shitshow that didnt even last half a century.
>facism
Bro you can't even spell it. The Obergruppenführer would've put a bullet in your disabled brain to clean up the local gene pool.
LOL the "thousand year Reich" lasted only 12 years, despite being funded by the richest oligarchs in the world (including George Bush's grandfather)
Meanwhile Communism lasted 70 years despite being invaed by 14 countries, then invaded by all of europe just 30 years later
>despite being invaed by 14 countries
Nice propaganda u got there kiddo, did ur r*dditBlack person friends tell u to say that? And ur soviet union failed in the most pathetic way every by itself not a single bullet was needed to end it. That tells all you need to know about communism. You look at China and eastern europe literally the biggest shitholes who claim to be first world. The soviet union was literally supported by the Fords and other oligarchs i suggest u dont throw stones while sitting in a glass house also its quite ironic that u think im Fascist because i think communism is a ideology for morons.Truly the epitome of the leftoid argument. Germany still stands today, Where is the Soviet union? Japan and Italy still stands today meanwhile China prostitute its people out for slave labour.. Absolutely pathetic. Imagine suffering a famine because ur commie leader saw a bird eat a pieace of grain.
Quiet savage, civilized men are speaking.
You are right the Conquistadors were based monarchists.
Napoleon didn't get rid of feudalism.
He happily handed out titles.
muh humanity
muh goodness
gaaay
More people die in US prisons, and the Soviet gulags were among the most human prisons to ever exist. The maximum sentence was 15 years, and most people got out early.
>the most human prisons to ever exist
The average living space of a gulag was around 0.6 meters. Average living space of an American inmate is around 5 meters. The camps were infested with lice and prisoners were piled on top of each other on wooden bunks. The level of forced labour employed in the GULAG puts to shame anything done in the USA.
>Average living space of an American inmate is around 5 meters. The camps were infested with lice and prisoners were piled on top of each other on wooden bunks.
I'm so shocked the Soviets couldn't provide better living conditions after being invaded by Nazis.
>Forced labor
There wasn't any forced labor. People volunteered to work for less prison time.
>I'm so shocked the Soviets couldn't provide better living conditions after being invaded by Nazis.
Lmao the absolute state of pinko apologia. Maybe that's why people have a problem with an ideology that's wholly predicated on kill/imprison all who disagree
>wholly predicated on kill/imprison all who disagree
I don't recall the Soviet Union doing this, but the CIA doing this all across Latin America... maybe you got your ideologies confused?
>well they were "counter revolutionaries", so who cares? *shrugs*
>Heh, sorry sweaty, communism doesn't rely on killing dissenters like crapitalism
>literally seething because the USSR was more concerned about the well-being of the workers than fascists
lmao
>
>not wanting an authoritarian state to unilaterally seize your property and throw you into prison makes you a fascist
"Bootlicker" has got to be the biggest case of projection I've ever seen lmao. I'm glad that you conceded your original point though
>Literally seething
Look up the word 'literally' you moronic mutt
>Hoard your property to the point where it has a negative impact on society
>Surprised you get shot for it
No, you don't have unlimited rights. You have no fricking right to use your property to deny people the right to food, shelter and water. Yes, you should be fricking executed if your property rights interferes with the rights of the workers. Subhumans like you care more about the rights of aristocrats, fascists and kulaks than the poor. Keep seething about the communists shot your bourgeoisie family members. They deserved it. Stalin did nothing wrong.
>You have no fricking right to use your property to deny people the right to food, shelter and water.
Sorry troony, you can't just designate whatever you want as a "right" and then throw a b***h fit until you get it. Nobody is obligated to help poor, unambitious morons like you. Nor are they obligated to prop up your pipedream state because you're too dumb/lazy/socially moronic to compete in hierarchies with your betters.
Sorry, fascists but you don't get to have rights in a communist society and your opinions no longer matter. Nobody is obligated to value your opinion. The face the wall, and make peace with your god because we're going to send you to him. Your family will be right behind you.
kek imagine typing out this post, filling out the captcha and clicking post
how many wrong life choices does it take to get here?
>Nobody is obligated to value your opinion. The face the wall, and make peace with your god because we're going to send you to him. Your family will be right behind you.
Good luck. Nobody is scared of the milquetoast libshits who advocate for gun control, nor the fat trannies and Black folk that make up the majority of the SRA/JBGC
>Sorry, fascists but you don't get to have rights in a communist society
Which is why we smash your israeli terror states whenever they pop up and kill, with highest brutality, millions of the subhuman underclass cannon fodder you use against us, to send a message. Every bomb, bullet, noose, and mutilation is a deterrent.
Hitler was israeli and a Zionist. And you don't kill anyone - its the communists who do the killing and you ACK yourself before we get you like Hitler did.
>Hitler was israeli and a Zionist. And you don't kill any--ACK!
>Hitler was israeli and a Zionist.
Absolutely false, Hitler was of Alpine extraction, and conducted the greatest cleansing of chosenites the world has ever seen. He made Trajan, Muhammad, and Alexander III look like philosemites.
>You don't kill anybody
We have sown a culture entirely based around fear, paranoia, and victimhood in Russia, Belarus, Serbia, China, and Korea. We slaughtered so many Chinks and Moskals that they quiver in fear and instinctively lash out at the tiniest representation of a Swastika of Rising Sun, which is why Russia has undertaken an entire military operation against a nation because their soldiers bear the marks of National Socialism. We have spoiled the generational psychology of entire nations.
You're capitalist bootlicker defending the rights of slave owners to oppress people, on the internet, for free.
You're a pinko bootlicker who's defending fringe ideologies that you have no real world experience with.
>oppress people
>WTF? You want me to aquire more marketable skills and WON'T pay me 30 an hour to operate a forklift? This is LITERALLY OPPRESSION
>WTF? You want me to stop hoarding money and food while people are starving? NOOOOO I HAVE A RIGHT TO THE SPOILS OF IMPERIALISM AND COLONIALISM! YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE AWAY MY SLAVE PLANTATION! THAT VIOLATES MY HUMAN RIGHTS! NOOO WHAT YOU DOING NOOOOO......
honest question
why confiscate the goods off lower middle class land owners instead of confiscating the goods of the high class party leaders?
wasnt there something about eating the rich? seems like theres a lot of exceptions to your ideology
>lower middle class land owners
/pol/tards really out here defending small time slave owners because they only 4 acres of plantation instead of 40
you didnt answer my question
at all
why confiscate lands and goods off lower middle class land owners and not high class party leaders?
have another go at it
Because when true communism is achieved in my state I will be a member of the privileged party-class just like all my working class heroes!
kek i remember that
really put on display how delusional and disconnected from everyday society the average tankie/silver spoon socialist really is
Do you have any disposable income right now?
Are there any hungry or malnourished people in your country right now?
Are you a hypocritical homosexual or do you have some arbitrary threshold of wealth where it should not be taken for the good of the state?
>Slave owners and aristocrat is an aribtaray threshold
are you moronic?
you do realize that many of those "middle income" people you're talking about were counter-revolutionaries who lost their property because they joined the aristocrats, slave owners, and para-bourgeois against the workers. Nobody had their property stolen for simply being middle class. They betrayed socialism for greed&ambition, and joined the fascists.
>Slave owners and aristocrat is an aribtaray threshold
We were talking about people in the USSR who were gulag'd or had their wealth confiscated. If you think this only applies to "slave owners and aristocrats" then get the frick off this history board, or just admit that you're a hypocritical homosexual.
Inb4 they were all fascists and counter revolutionaries
>The communists put my wealthy, middle class family into the gulag and took everything!
The family in question.
>inb4 they were all fascists
Literal NPC kek
In bourgeois speak, "middle class" is just another way of saying "I don't want to out the fact I was related to goose-steppers who ranted a lot about israelites who had their property collectivized by the communists."
You think anyone who identifies as middle class is sympathetic to Nazism? Delusional homosexual. Maybe it's just because everybody but the most poor and lazy losers stand to lose more than they gain with communist regimes
The middle classes literally made up the base of fascism in both Italy and Germany
Doesn't change what I said, meaningless deflection
>lower middle class land owners
>wealthy aristocrat fascists
no matter how hard you try, those two arent the same thing
>confiscate lands off a lower middle class family that barely earns above subsistence levels
>lower middle class family isnt happy about it
>imprison lower middle class family for being a "cOuNtEr-ReVoLuTiOnArY"
now thats an airtight ideology if ive ever heard one
how could it possibly fail?
btw, i take it you dont want to confiscte goods off the party leaders then? i guess youre allowed to be filthy rich as long as you lift up your fist and call eachother comrade?
>guess youre allowed to be filthy rich as long as you lift up your fist and call eachother comrade
Yes, see Hasan, Hontrapoints, and other "breadtubers"
>He think breadtube represents the left
Those are petite-bourgeois idealists. They're closer to you than actual socialists. The Communist Party of Britain (Marxist-Leninist) are an example of actual socialists. A socialist is a patriot. He wants the best for his people. And he's willing do whatever it takes.
>not real communists
No. Frick off
>He wants the best for his people
meanwhile in reality Stalin spent his days watching American movies and enjoying imported luxury goods while his people starved
>meanwhile in reality Stalin spent his days watching American movies and enjoying imported luxury goods while his people starved
Meanwhile, people who lived under Stalin say the exact fricking opposite.
if you spent 20 years in Siberia being taught to kiss Stalin's ass you'd have Stockholm syndrome for him too.
liberal cope.
>this ones fake, our writers had a blast with it
American prisoners also aren't tortured to death by antichristian israelites.
>T-thee revolution w-will surely come soon c-comrade
Lmao, wtf are u limpwristed urbanite homosexuals gonna do? Literally nothing because ur industrial overlords tell you what to do.
Lmao it's fricking embarrassing to read all the shit you post
Where do you think industrial workers live? The soviets being supported being supported by urban workers and hated by the peasantry is a completely uncontroversial claim to make about the early days of the Russian revolution.
And that is exactly why communists will ever come to power or ever win any election. Read about the Spanish civil war the country were guerilla warfare was created yet because the republic was mostly supported by urbanites they couldnt conduct any sort of warfare. Based Franco btfoed communists trash and anarchistcucks left and right. on every battlefield.
All the stuff in wokeism is from the time of the Russian revolution. Females away from home not raising kids, global wealth transfer to weak sucky satellite states, and the weird double speak where you have to lie about what you think to function in society. Stalin fixed some of that but everything that's happening now isn't actually that new. There are rarely any new ideas.
>All the stuff in wokeism is from the time of the Russian revolution
Pretty much, Lenin in particular was an incredible degenerate who legalzlied transgenderism, abortions, promoted feminism, explicitly outlawed nationalism/made racism illegal, etc. The USSR was in many ways a proto-modern West.
At what cost? and fyi, everything in the Soviet Union was.. hell, still is, subpar.
With the means it had available, it did use its central authority to get its shit together, yes, I will give you that. But the problems outweighed the progress tenfold and no amount of shilling will change that.
Socialism is more popular than ever. I don't think the lies are working anymore, Himmler.
Socialism? Oh you mean Leftist drivel that's being promoted by the very same Capitalists you allegedly despise. It's a waste of time trying to argue your hypocrisy, all you deserve is a bullet.
Yeah, all the fortune 500s are supporting it. Weird.
The responses to this post are legitimately some of the stupidest replies I've ever seen on the internet. Like, on par with r/neoliberal
Neo-libs are mostly former neo-nazis or fascists, descendants of them anyways. Mises worked for Fascists. Hayek was enlisted in a fascist army. Friedman worked for Pinochet.
>same arguments
Because nobody can ever dispute them.
>they contributed NOTHING AT ALL
You really think someone would do this? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
>You really think someone would do this? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
His post is so moronic it's not even worth replying to.
"Damn commies taking credit for building infrastructure"
"... did they not build a significant amount of crucial infrastructure?"
"Well, they did, but... you know... only once they had the opportunity"
These are the mental gymnastics you guys will do to avoid saying anything even mildly positive about leftists. It's just blatant denial of reality.
>These are the mental gymnastics you guys will do to avoid saying anything even mildly positive about leftists. It's just blatant denial of reality.
If tankies didn't disregard anyone who doesn't worship Stalin or China as a CIA agent, there would be more serious arguments.
No tankie worships Stalin. What the frick are you talking about? Just because we defend Stalin's record against neoliberal, fascist slanders doesn't me aren't critical of Stalin. Mao criticized Stalin. Castro did. Plenty of people did and do. You just don't have a principled criticism of Stalin because you just repeat Conquest uncritically.
>No tankie worships Stalin.
did you even read the thread, or even just OP? "stalin was totally based and redpilled and anyone who disagrees is a fascist"
there are also "people" like grover furr where "stalin dindu nuffin" is his life's work
The thread is filled with shit like this
. There are fascists in here lying about Stalin, repeating Holodomor fables made up by people like Himmler and Goebbels.
>Grover Furr
His stuff is pretty good.
you're being ironic, right?
Literally fricking read Douglas Tottle's Fraud and Famine. Most of the shit being said here is refuted by Tottle. Its just nazi shit. Mao was able to criticize Stalin without using Hitlerite propaganda.
like furr that guy isn't even an actual historian
>Tottle has been defended by the Stalin Society, author Jeff Coplon, and the Swedish Communist Party, who insist that his book is valid historical research that exposed the "myth of the famine-genocide [...] once and for all".[5]
and furr
>Grover Carr Furr III (born April 3, 1944) is an American professor of Medieval English literature at Montclair State University. He has published several historical revisionist books and papers about Soviet history, especially the Stalin era. He claimed that the Holodomor was a hoax invented by Ukrainian Nazi collaborationists, that the Katyn massacre was committed by the Nazi Schutzstaffel and not the Soviet NKVD, that all defendants in the Moscow Trials were guilty as charged, that Nikita Khrushchev's speech "On the Cult of Personality and Its Consequences" about Stalinist repression was full of lies, that the purpose of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was to preserve the Second Polish Republic and not to attack it, and that the Soviet Union did not invade Poland.[citation needed] Those claims are fringe theories and are outside the mainstream in their respective academic field.
i guess the ramblings of a delusional tankie make total sense in the mind of delusional tankies
"His stuff is pretty good."
of course it is!
Do you have any actual counter arguments against them? Or are you just going to be the literal incarnation of the "did you just question a CIA narrative my dude" meme?
Did you just question a tankie narrative my dude?
they're not historians and it's pretty obvious they have an agenda. that you unironically take furr's "work" seriously is actually pretty hilarious
>muh CIA
ok moron
>THE US STATE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE AGENDA!
>THE SOVIET UNION HAS AN AGENDA! THEY'RE LYING! NOT THE CIA!
>there would be more serious arguments.
Yeah, I mean, there are obviously reasons to hate Stalin. I'm not saying anyone has to be a leftist, hold whichever opinions you want. But disagreeing with someone's methods is one thing, denying reality and results is something else. All I'm saying is that the idea that Stalin or Mao didn't significantly modernize their respective countries is pure Nazi disinformation.
I mean, thinking that anyone that suffered under Stalin or Castro was a slaveowner or a fascist and 'everyone who disagrees with me is CIA' doesn't make anyone take you seriously.
I fully agree
>global superpower
Lol
Are you denying the USSR was a superpower? Went from being BTFOd by the Japanese in 1905 (crapitalism) to completely steamrolling the "elite" Kwantung army in 1905 (communism).
The reason there is so much propaganda against Stalin is he proved that socialist makes poor, weak countries strong and able to resist against the rich and powerful. Most of what people have been brainwashed to believe about Stalin is propaganda.
>holodomor
>killing everyone and form a cult of personality around him
>exiling lenin and have him killed
>great portion of work done in gulags
both nicholas II and stalin deserved the rope, russians never got to know the potential of free market economies, it was always about muh empire muh benefits for all
The "holodomor" is just anti-Semitic propaganda against the USSR by Ukrainian fascists who caused the famine
Stalin killed Lenin? Did he kill Jesus too?
>Holodomor
>Wants to kill Ukrainians
>Forgot to kill Voroshilov, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Gorbachev
he got thrown into prison and then immediately organized it to cause riots after getting thrown to prison for causing another series of strikes beforehand and demanding militant action from socialist groups. He became such a problem that he was expelled to Siberia where he spent years fishing until the bolshevik revolution happened later.
Reminder, you will never see a photo of Stalin or any commie with a sea of supporters like pic rel. They are Chuds, not Chads. Adolf Hitler is the greatest man to ever live, sent by God. His ideals were morally superior, and selfless, unlike the virtue signaling of communism who's aim is only to create a classless authoritarian state where only those at the top can hold power.
This. Stalin is a brown subhuman who drowned the bright future of mankind in blood.of Russian soldiers.
there are many pictures with a sea of supporters like that, not my fault you haven't even bother to look it up with a simple google search
>Adolf Hitler is the greatest man to ever live, sent by God. His ideals were morally superior, and selfless
lmao straight up schizophrenic and delusional
>authoritarian state where only those at the top can hold power.
you just described fascism, congrats idiot
thanks for posting the pictures and not using ad-hominem attacks... oh wait!
Not supporters, people who were scared of him. Not a single person felt sorrow when Stalin died like millions shed tears for Hitler when he died
Shut the frick up bootlicker. Frick totalitarianism, it's anti-human amd anti-God, seeking to pervert worship of God into a worship of the state. Hitler took the strongest economic power in Europe and made it into the 5th-strongest power in Germany.
Case in point for fascism being the actual faceless / dehumanized horde ideology
Wrong. Look at all the nations that tried communism. Nazi germany is universally hated by NPCs. Hitler is the greatest man to ever live.
Nope. I'm right. Nazi posters with their helmetheads depict their own troopers as like NPCs. The charge of being NPCs for their enemies is a form of projection, as the inner life of the fascist world is dead, their culture degenerate, with little to animate it other than brute force and repetitious sloganeering, like the twitching of a reanimated zombie.
Wrong. Communism's aim was to "help" everyman. Nazi Germany's goal was to help every German.
Nazi Germany were agents of Washington and London, and they their goal was to encircle and genocide slavs and help the West eliminate proletarian revolution.
>and they their goal was to encircle and genocide slavs and help the West eliminate proletarian revolution.
So they were based? Thanks for clearing things up
The people who turned them into fertilizer were based
25 million dead sovshits lmao
Look at Eastern Europe now, especially Russia dn Ukraine. lmfao. They "won" alright.
Yeah, the revolutions of 1989 were tragedy. Fascists run Eastern Europe now and the workers have lost.
It was already dystopian before the fall though... literally a strict "go to work" or "be a cog in the machine" kind of nation. literally focused on manufacturing/industrialization. You had education... but at the cost of free think. Basically government mandated indoctrination.
It was dystopian after the fall. Under socialism, Eastern Europeans had a guaranteed housing, healthcare and a job. Now they just have poverty, prostitutes and drug abuse. They gave up all their freedoms under socialism so that Mac Donalds could enslave them and kill them with diabetes.
so you're saying that housing, job, and healthcare = freedom? yeah... you're delusional.
Are you saying not having those things is freedom? Wage slavery is freedom? PragerU has done a number on your brain....
what you described is literally wageslaving. lmao. you weren't allowed to be a homeless NEET. you only agreed with my post, saying that it was a culture where everyone was forced to be a cog in the machine.
High culture was amazingly accessible in the USSR. Mass public debates took place in literary journals with mass working-class subscription. Turns out 100% literacy and massive government investment in higher education results in a working class that appreciates "intellectual" art/culture or whatever. The 90s were totally merciless in gutting everything positive while leaving the worst parts intact.
Anyways, if you want to feel like a moron, go to Cuba where a random fruit vendor is more likely to have read way more poetry and literature than the average American
> holy shit, this guy likes reading poetry! that means communism is GREAT!
got it!
>holy shit, people can read because of communists now!
>monarchy was better for them!
The closet thing they had to a Marvel blockbuster was a six-hour adaptation of War and Peace but if you prefer the Marvel movies then have at it I guess
You're a fricking moron and I urge you to take a ticket to the wonderfully cultured Cuba yourself.
You're speaking in hyperbole and fantastical ones at that.
I'm amazed that anyone takes you seriously.
>2 capitalist states at war
>this says a lot about communism
Communism's goal is the liberation of the whole human being. We don't need to expect the salvation of God, we can free ourselves and solve the problems ourselves
Look at Godless China. I am not religious personally, but I do believe in higher power and spirituality. The non-belief in that is literally the definition of materialistic and leads to the degredation of one's soul.
Nazism as presented by those specimens would collapse on its own stupidity soon enough in the timeline where they "won".
Lots of countries tried fascism too, in the 1920s and 1930s
no shit, where do you think Hitler got his education?
>classless authoritarian state where only the ones at the top can hold power.
That’s not classless. In communism there is no state.
>Reminder, you will never see a photo of Stalin or any commie with a sea of supporters like pic rel.
Because krauts are hivemind insectoids
Giga based
This really
Addy was a prophetic historical figure. This is why people can’t stop seething, he lives rent free and non of his ideas have lost any potency. No one cares about sadistic butcher Stalin. Hell his contemporary literally denounced him the moment he died which the National Socialist fought to a bitter end against the entire world. This is why people remember Thermopylae.
Ok young Stalin is fine though
He was fricking Gangster i mean for real before the revolution most fundings for the party was him doing bank heists in whole Russia
he was half Pole
What magic transformed that to this? Totally different bone structure and forehead. Weird.
It’s a photoshop, he was known to have pics edited to make him look better than he did, guy looked like every other smelly Georgian back then
Rent free
>reality
why do commies feel the need to lie about everything? Stalin was an ugly, acne scarred loser who died soaked in his own piss after having a stroke
>loser
I mean..
I suppose, but most of his successes can be attributed to dumb luck and incompetence on the part of their enemies rather than on his own ability.
>become the undisputed leader of the largest country in the world
German backing and lucky circumstances allowed the Bolsheviks to win, not to mention the opportunity posed by Lenin's early death.
>defeat the biggest invasion in human history
This was done largely on the back of American manufacturing and again under favorable circumstances.
>turn an impoverished illiterate backwater into a global superpower
The Russian empire was not nearly as much of a backwater as most would believe. A lot of this perception has been fueled by Soviet propaganda wanting to portray the Bolsheviks as modernizers when the situation was never quite that bad to begin with. This isn't to say that circumstances didn't radically improve under the Bolsheviks, just that progress in that way was inevitably going to happen regardless of the regime in charge. For all we know, the Soviets may have moronic Russian industrial modernization.
>spread his ideology to over half the world's population
This really just boils down to the Chinese Civil War, in which case it really was a miracle for Stalin that the PRC even survived the early stages of the war, that the Japanese invaded when they did, that the Kuomintang were as incompetent as they were, and that the US largely sat by while the Kuomintang were exiled to Taiwan.
He was an ugly manlet cripple and died pissing and shitting himself. have a nice day NOW
He was the most powerful leader of all time, when it came to absolutely destroying a country's genetics with no hope for recovery. Russia will never recover. I don't even like the word "recover" in this context, because it implies that somehow smarter, better people will spring up from nowhere again, after a country is only left with stupid, conformist people.
Russia would need a fascist dictator, who is heavily into eugenics, and they might fix their demographics in 500 years.
Just ignore that he was raping them and almost won despite being in a 1v3 war on multiple fronts and that the USSR had massive help from the western allies with lend lease and their air campaign
>NOW that's what I call Cope!
I'm sorry, who blew their brains out sobbing in a bunker while their country got ripped in half?
Cortes was more impressive.
The early Islamic conquests too.
>>born into a family of serfs
>>turn an impoverished illiterate backwater into a global superpower
You're a moron
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>cripple the USSR's food production for the remainder of its history by destroying freeholding farmers (after Stalin Soviet leaders began the importation of grain from the capitalist camp, the hard currency to purchase it having to be obtained at the expense of the gold reserves, natural resources, and industrial equipment)
>create lasting animosity towards socialism in Ukraine and Kazakhstan
>allow psychos like Yagoda and Yezhov to run wild and cripple the military and government administrations, not to mention what befall all the others affected
>sign off on the executions of more people in one day than all who were killed in American lynchings in 80 years (lynching was a big part of anti-USA communist propaganda)
>living conditions so poor that by 1946 people are eating bark from trees
>cripple the USSR's food production for the remainder of its history
The kulaks did that
>create lasting animosity towards socialism in Ukraine
Ukraine nationalists, backed by fascists did that
>allow psychos like Yagoda and Yezhov to run wild
No he did, he stopped them
>sign off on the executions of more people
Of people who were obviously guilty of counter-revolution
>living conditions so poor that by 1946 people are eating bark from trees
The new CIA talking point just dropped - Stalin is responsible for living standards being so low after a fascist invasion killed 20+ million Soviet citizens
All o those things happened in spite of Stalin, not because of him.
And the USSR was always going to collapse because of the psychotic state he kept it in.
Cope more, dumb commiecuck.
>the absolute state of this entire thread
>wealthy
>middle class
i knew communists were moronic, but holy shit
Timur did all of those except 3 and 5, and those are particular to Stalin's time period anyway
>commieshit realizes his redefinition of reality isnt working
>doesnt stop to consider if this redefintion is maybe pointless and ineffective as a policy
>instead refuses to debate any further
its like children throwing a fit, no surprise their societies are so hilariously mismanaged
though maybe im underrating childrens intellect tbh
Every time this pic is posted it keeps getting photoshopped to be better looking than it actually was even more
I guess old habits die hard
Germany was at the top of the leaderboard in K:D, just like the Confederates in the Civil War. You can't always win, but you have to try.
Stalin is single-handedly responsible for the longevity of communism. Before him, it was about taking over a country and using it as a base for starting le epic world proletariat revolution at all costs. He just killed off almost all the original marxist-lenninists and made it his own thing. Now, all remaining communist states only exist because they followed his model of a national planned economy.
Your are right about Stalin being the greatest, I think portraying him as a murderer of OG M-Ls is a bit off I would recommend history of cpsu(b) short course and on the opposition. Stalin was a great speaker and intellectual leader. Those that were purged were revolutionaries who couldn't do what needed to be done in the new phase of the revolution and it wasn't stalins decision alone.
you're wrong in everything you claimed.
>born into family of "serfs"
>get noticed by ~~*Lenin*~~ for skill in organised crime
>use position to get top job by scandalizing most suitable candidate
>run country like a crime syndicate
>kill millions through sheer incompetence
>use industry to supply the demand of a country that wants to kill you
>get invaded by said country, lose millions more
>win war due to Muttchan lend leasing you factories and tank designs (as well as autistic swarm tactics that don't actually work)
>steal German & American technology and claim it as your own
>waste your gdp on a space program and moronic proxy wars whilst your people starve
>get threatened by Tito after you fail to kill him multiple times
>Tito wasn't lying
>empire collapses in less than 100 years
>legacy is a doctored photo that homosexuals fap too
>"At least literacy got better"
>The CIA would never lie to me, STFU commie moron
>i love cum
Ahahahahaah this is gold I'm acc gonna screen cap it
Justin I was far more impressive, he rose from peasant to emperor of the ERE
Any average moron could've done better.
All of those should credit Lenin except the third one and you Stalin freaks always leave out the fact he almost lost the war because of his insane, horrific purges from earlier in his career and that he was a raging manlet of five foot three.