What's actually keeping linux from "it just works"-tier?

What's actually keeping linux from "it just works"-tier?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Skill issue.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The great filter

      Nvidia
      and also the need to use the terminal for things that could be a button.

      Not anymore

      Linux is not as good (like 90% performance compared to windows, which btw is cancelled out by the fact that windows is bloated) but it works, stop parroting nonsense.

      Linux if more efficient than any other kernel, distros consume less resources to run by default

      Hardware manufacturer support. Just look at Steam Deck, it's custom made for Linux and even gamers can use it.

      This is true if it came by default on machines normies would get used to it, i mean before we had gui normies used computers with msdos, unix and such, don't count on zoomers the majority of them are terminally tech illetrate

      >>Arch: lol
      And yet it's most popular distro on Steam. That means it's very popular among normal users.

      Arch is a good distro for personal use ngl

      This. troony devs forcing Gnome and Gtk into everything.
      [...]
      So basically this.

      Nothing wrong with gtk, also noone forcing u to use a specific de, all distros come in different flavors, meanwhile u don't have the same luxury with windows/mac

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nvidia
    and also the need to use the terminal for things that could be a button.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Linux is not as good (like 90% performance compared to windows, which btw is cancelled out by the fact that windows is bloated) but it works, stop parroting nonsense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >oh no! I have to copy and paste commands into a terminal!

      normies should get farded on.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yea, and they'd (See: I'd) much rather use a 1-click button than look up what to do, copy that, paste it, hope its actually the right thing, then use what I wanted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nvidia works fine for 15 years now. Only FOSSBlack folk have issues.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *laughs in multiple monitors at different resolutions*

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          different refresh rates too but that's an X11 bug/limitation that's been there since 1945

          I would say some of the things holding linoox back:
          >x11 and wayland both being shit
          >gnome instead of kde
          >snap
          >moronic defaults
          >bad font rendering

          eeeeeeh I mean ultimately linux desktop will never happen until all the pieces are brought together under one umbrella instead of the fragmented shit show that it has always been
          trying to put together all the independent fragments results in a mess

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i'm using two monitors at different refresh rates on x11

            i agree they aren't at the same level, the driver in windows sometimes crashes when using solidworks (reliably when using visualize, it's a major problem for me since pv360 was deprecated...)
            while on linux it never crashes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Skill issue.

      Nvidia aint givin up its secrets so that a proper driver can be written by linux enthusiasts

      They provide their own driver which is closed source and which sucks

      Isnt it amazing that a company who sells GPUs dont want to make a superior driver thus ensuring their market continuity?

      I can understand the part they wont open source it but if they dont they should write good drivers themselves then.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what problems did you have with nvidia drivers? i never had any. but my eyes aren't very sharp.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Isnt it amazing that a company who sells GPUs dont want to make a superior driver thus ensuring their market continuity?
        Why would they need superior drivers when ever other GPU manufacturer is 5 years behind?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          do they actually have better hardware?
          if pytorch wasn't basically sucking nvidia's wiener and amd had any drivers at all would there be really such a abyssal difference?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They provide their own driver which is closed source and which sucks
        It only sucks if you're a freetard. The proprietary NVIDIA driver is good, it just sucks that it's closed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NVIDIA and AMD hate you
        they won't even allow you to interface with the HDMI port without using proprietary drivers, the only reason noveau and intel GPUs can do it is by emulating the proprietary chip that does the handshake and faking it. hell intel GPUs actuallt jave a discrete chio in the HDMI ports that pretend to be an NVIDIA HDMI adaptor just to get it working

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The average normalgay acquires most of their novel knowledge through advertising, no big corpos that actually want to sell a good Linux experience means no advertising (Red Hat and Canonical make their money off of making Linux worse, so they're not going to try either). The lowest common denominator cycle of most common computing nowadays also means that new users are learning fewer viable skills that can be applied across disciplines
      >A bunch of baby duck companies like Adobe or various CAD companies don't want a userbase that knows how to adjust their habits to integrate with a company, because that might mean that their dominance would slowly be challenged and new competition would start to develop after they killed it
      >Companies like Nvidia want to maintain their market segmentation strategy and opening themselves up more to Linux would mean that the hard barriers between consoomer and enterprise would dissolve alongside the soft barriers in their lineup
      Aside from this Linux is basically "it just works" tier.

      Terminal is good. Typing something is less arduous than navigating through a dozen submenus as long as you know what to type.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >aside from ALL THESE REASONS, linux is great!!
        lmao the seethe and cope

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're a clown and your OS is bloated shit. You cope by saying that Linux "doesn't work" when that's simply not true. I know you're a MS employee btw.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            linux is massively bloated and doesn't work at all and you'll be reinstalling or changing it within 1 year

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NPC's can't remember text input, moron. They only can somewhat remember button does X.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit anon this is the smartest post I have read on IQfy for as long as I can remember.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing. If you use a just works distro (Ubuntu, Fedora) it literally just works.

      Nvidia literally has an open sourcedriver. And even their proprietary driver is installed with a single button click

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Type command in text editor
      >Save as .sh file
      >Thing is now a button

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate having to learn an arcane series of flags and arguments for every foss project.
      Ffmpeg is a good example of this.
      You shouldn't have to web search how to use the damn thing every time.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's literally there, we say this everyday and no one listens. The reason no one uses it is because it takes 3 more calories of effort to install because it doesn't come default on any machines. REEEEEEE

    t. Linux Ubuntu Mint.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's literally there, we say this everyday and no one listens
      Thats true
      Real reason nobody listens is because support loves to rub their teats when using the command line whenever possible despite its completely obsolete now.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lack of general support. Every program is designed and optimized for windows, not linux

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's a paradox. if you homosexuals would just start using linux then software developers would cater to Linux.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I use linux for everything I can
        It's not my fault that my monitor's firmware is only updated on windows

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Distro fragmentation, patchy hardware/driver support, unintuitive clunky desktop environments with garish color schemes. Don't get me wrong, I run all my home server stuff on alpine/docker but for average joe it's a non starter.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      average joe views the operating system and all the hardware as a single thing and doesn't know or care what an "operating system" is many people still call windows "PC" not "microsoft windows"
      normal people just want to click on the app icon and for it to do what it's supposed to do
      autistic manchildren imagine some kind of rise of the linux desktop where everyone switches to linux but unless you start paying companies to start shipping their computers with linux preinstalled it will never happen because the average person will never install any operating system on their computers in their life time
      i use bsd btw

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think anyone expects grandma to install Linux. We want microshit and applel to give up on proprietary operating systems and just ship Linux.

        Do MS or Apple even consider their desktop OS to be a differentiator at this point? Microsoft runs linux in Azure and Apple literally doesn't even think about OSX anymore, it's all in iOS.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your sub 115 iq. Dont come back

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hardware manufacturer support. Just look at Steam Deck, it's custom made for Linux and even gamers can use it.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nice typical thread where windows and macOS normies talk about linux even though they have no idea about Linux. I'm starting to believe the conspiracy theories that there are malicious M$ actors on this board.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Schizo.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You would say that in order to gaslight any dissenters. Did they teach you that at your last board meeting?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lack of centralized direction.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    linux is the main thing holding linux back, and its troon community of supporters. linux is junk and doesn't work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good job! Microsoft has deposited 3$ into your account. Keep up the good work!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're brown and shilling a shit os that doesn't work wont make women sleep with you

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm white and married dumbfrick, now that I'm out of the ratrace of trying to find a decent woman in the sea of worthless prostitutes, I can finally sit down and get an OS that's fast and efficient as frick (Linux) instead of trying to impress women.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It unironically just works if you buy the right hardware
    macos users will claim their os just works but thats only under extremely specific hardware, hackintosh is a mess
    if you were to build a computer with only first-class supported pieces, you would barely ever see any issues
    t. recently switched to amd from nvidia and everything just works now

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hackintosh is a mess
      was never supported & is going away

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        likewise nvidia is not supported on linux, and shouldn't be advertised as such. if you are lucky your use-case might fall within the few experimental flows that end up working

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The linux community. Because of autistic shit like muh proprietary nobody cares about. Just look at ChromeOS and SteamOS, they just werk.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At this point it's really just defaults. None of the major OSes are any more stable or "just werks" than the other. For every time linux has driver problems with newer hardware or has shitty drivers because the hardware doesn't provide specs and the open driver is reverse engineered, Windows fricks up an update and won't boot and macOS randomly crashes because your MacBook Pro is a year old and Apple didn't test the latest version on it very much.

    Honestly I find Linux the easiest to deal with primarily because once you get it working, it generally stays working. And getting it working can usually be mostly accomplished by waiting 3 months before you consooooom the latest hardware Dell or intel shit out.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Corpo cuckoldry.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just works:
    >Windows: compatibility
    >Linux: targeting everything at tech illiterate morons without internal monologue.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on the distribution. Some of them do actually just work and only trolls would deny that. But if you pick a DIY distro and then complain about having to tinker then it's obviously a (you) problem.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    windows is 1 moronic man wandering in the desert with all of his dirty and tattered belongings bundled up on his back.
    gnu/linux is 100 mice with their tails tied together all trying to run in different directions

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so long as its cobbled together by random neckbeards for free, it will never "just work".
    Pic highly related.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The lack of good OOTB "JUST WORKS" distros
    >Ubuntu: forced snap, GNOME, no flatpak, snap on Qt-based flavors doesn't update graphically
    >Debian: have to manually edit software sources, manually install nvidia drivers since there's no graphical utility, have to activate multi-arch, have to check wiki to install steam because it requires a bunch of shit, also figure out other issues that might arise like why are flatpak fonts so awful
    >Mint: very close but no KDE flavor, have to use poor man's KDE (Cinnamon), old GNOME nostalgiabait (MATE) or toaster-optimized desktop (XFCE)
    >Fedora: no codecs, have to configure RPMfusion, SELinux supposedly sucks but frankly I have no idea
    >Arch: lol
    >Manjaro: made by incompetent people who let certificates expire a billion times, also removed Arch's mesa and replaced it with their own codec-cucked version, also rolling distros are inherently unstable and inexperienced users are left to their own devices when shit breaks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>Arch: lol
      And yet it's most popular distro on Steam. That means it's very popular among normal users.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Other: 29.41%
        Arch has 1 version while Ubuntu/Mint have dozens, the rest are most certainly hidden in this percentage. If you added all of Ubuntu's versions (18.04, 20.04, 22.04, 23.10, 24.04) and outdated point releases (22.04.2, 22.04.3) then it would in all likelihood shoot up above Arch in popularity, but we'll never know.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That and also arch only has one iso while the others have at least 3 or 4

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn't matter, other versions are not even at the end of the list and if somehow what you say is true that would mean Ubuntu is not that popular among normal users as it seems, it can barely win with Arch, an independent distro that is targeted at "experienced" users.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If normies can't figure out how to use linux, or it is inconvenient for them, GOOD! The less normies using linux the better. The moment normies start using linux en masse is the moment everything turns into systemd but worse and then they will screech at you for not going along with it

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there are 100,000 linux distributions

      more effort is spent creating more linux distributions than linux applications

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing. Just werks in my machine

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it doesn't have and will never have driver support at the level of windows

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't drop any frames for me and I'm using an old NVIDIA driver.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i agree they aren't at the same level, the driver in windows sometimes crashes when using solidworks (reliably when using visualize, it's a major problem for me since pv360 was deprecated...)
      while on linux it never crashes

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would you guys still like meme-ix if it was popular and just worked?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Incompetent users

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let me telly you. Miguel de Icaza was hired by Microsoft to strangle Linux desktops in gradle way back in early days. Miguel made GNOME which fragmented Linux desktop ecosystem and all its APIs and all its window decorations and shortcuts. Later on Miguel was openly hired by Microsoft into comfy reward managerial position.

    >De Icaza was criticized by Richard Stallman on the Software Freedom Day 2009, who labeled him as "Traitor to the Free Software Community".[19]

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    packages. it needs to be binary. shared libraries are moronic.
    >inb4 but muh space
    TB drives are like $100 now so shut the frick up.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GTK

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. troony devs forcing Gnome and Gtk into everything.

      Communism

      So basically this.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you downloading mint

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Install Mint

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Communism

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All sorts of things. For example if I let my machine go to sleep there's a 50% chance that the monitors will be set to 1024x768 when I wake it up.
    #justlinuxthings

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    morons that "NEED" microsoft office and adobe shitware

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    being preinstalled on machines that normal people buy and use

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    your choice of Distros, Mint has "just worked" for a decade, so does redhat, Ubuntu or Debian, among others. Just don't install the fricking le ebic meme distros

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    monkey brain has to remember heckin commands

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everything is good I just think we should ditch GTK because its fricking ugly and scares away normies.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's actually keeping linux from "it just works"-tier?
    The bugs in KDE, it's a good desktop with features expected by normal ass people. Gnome feels like having both hands tied up while using a PC.
    Shit's getting very close.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >having the entire normie Black personcattle software suite matched, down to being a copycat
    >no weird issues from strawman every time
    >microsoft not actively EEEing it

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Displaylink drivers seem to be fricked, but that may be a niche issue. Or a Wayland one.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hardware support. Especially with nvidia cars and less popular laptops.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drivers

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also freetards

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unification. Everybody is working on a different thing in a different way. There is no cohesion.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eh, not really. At this point it's DE and for the vast majority that is KDE and Gnome. This means from a user perspective all distros essentially function identically. It's quickly becoming consolidated like Android phones are. Sure there's variety, but it's becoming more Android like where hopping from one platform to the other is different, yet similar.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Still plenty of DEs for people to check out, I recently installed and (barely) configured hyprland. still gotta make waybar not look like shit. Actually the fact I've had 8 DE/WMs installed on this makes me wanna reinstall tbh my home directory is getting wild and god knows where else

        Hyprland is my 1st wayland tiling WM and it sucks to have to download a few separate things to replace x11 programs, like gammastep to replace redshift etc

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have to admit though that most people coming into Linux want something Windows or Mac like. Once you get to tiling window managers, you're already in enthusiast territory. Beginner/Normie tier shit is basically KDE(XFCE) or Gnome.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Does anyone ever use linux for more than a couple months before becoming an "enthusiast" to you then?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >reinstall because home dir is messy
          just clean up your home dir anon, even if you have to back it up and just copy back the stuff you want to keep, reinstalling won't tidy up your home dir
          >and god knows where else
          your package manager knows where else, you can ask it to list any files not part of a package or which have been modified, all reinstalling will do it get rid of those, so again, just keep the ones you want to keep

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    application adoption. There is a reason I need a windows partition. ALSO, if you actually have a job, which most here do not, you will have to operate and develop in a number of environments. It's easier to Use windows + wsl 2 for access to windows and unix environment for development and targeting of each.

    Because of this I usually operate booted into my windows partition with wsl 2, using nushell with both. But in reality it doesn't matter how you solve this issue, just so long as your solution isn't moronic

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tried using Linux for a Month, and nuked it after a week because:
    Wayland is undercooked, X11 is shit, Xwayland is mega shit.
    GNOME is missing too many features.
    Plasma kept fricking crashing.
    Firefox video acceleration broke, again, after a simple update. And vainfo kept saying everything's ok.

    I don't know how anybody takes it. Everything about Linux desktop is so fragile and full of compromises.
    Windows might spy on me, but at least it won't crash like Plasma, during a simple file transfer.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gaymers and tech-illiterates

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a GUI for archinstall and pacman
    oh wait, manjaro exists

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Masterkarsten

    mostly games, peripherals, the odd drivers.
    oh and I think not many like that way of partitioning disk and folder structure

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