The most based guy. Nietzche, Freud and even Einstein drank at his source.
Also everybody's 'literally me' guy, with clarity of his writing characteristic only to truly great minds. No matter for how long generations of milkboys will stare sõyfaced to 'thus spoke Zarathustra', the sisphylitic ramblings of Nietzsche will only be Rudy poo compared to 'ego and its own'.
The logical conclusion of atheism. If you read his book and base your personality on morality being subjective then you have taken a wrong turn, which you would only believe is a wrong turn if you hadn't taken it
To use sociological terminology "reification", "alienation", "ideology". Instead of thinking those could be overcome with social revolution like Marx he developed a form of radical nihilism and became a proto-edgelord
Linguistically he's taking the piss out of the style of certain Hegeloids but his central claim isn't "ironic"... just stylistically
>voted once; drew dicks all over the ballot and nicked a roll of "I Voted" stickers while the poll worker wasn't looking so he'd have a lifetime supply of social credit for participating without ever needing to show up and wait in line again
The SS
Leszek Kołakowski: >At first sight, Nazi totalitarianism may seem the opposite of Stirner's radical individualism. But fascism was above all an attempt to dissolve the social ties created by history and replace them by artificial bonds among individuals who were expected to render explicit obedience to the state on grounds of absolute egoism. Fascist education combined the tenets of asocial egoism and unquestioning conformism, the latter being the means by which the individual secured his own niche in the system. Stirner's philosophy has nothing to say against conformism, it only objects to the Ego being subordinated to any higher principle: the egoist is free to adjust to the world if it is clear he will better himself by doing so. His 'rebellion' may take the form of utter servility if it will further his interest; what he must not do is to be bound by 'general' values or myths of humanity. The totalitarian ideal of a barrack-like society from which all real, historical ties have been eliminated is perfectly consistent with Stirner's principles: the egoist, by his very nature, must be prepared to fight under any flag that suits his convenience.
Spiders in attics, creditors, having to make money to live. So ultimately it was capitalism. Had he lived after that spider bite, I believe there’d have been another piece or book to condemn that particular spook and maybe ways to sidestep it. Something like that maybe.
morons like you will never realize he's decrying the natural order of things and that's why he despises what is in place.
He does not hate that he has to earn capital to live, he hates that he has to labor to live. His whole philosophy in this regard is taking advantage of others to eschew this natural order.
He doesn't hate your flavor of the month intellectual larp boogeyman capitalism, he hates the actual order of the way our world works and looked for ways to defy it at any cost, because no cost was greater to him than the cost of personal discipline
There’s nothing in his philosophy about taking advantage of others, or about how he hates the order of the world. His philosophy obviously means not believing in any “natural order”, but making it your purpose to destroy the “natural order” would just be another spook.
My point is that his philosophy by it's nature defies the order of the world.
It is able to do this without explicitly stating it is doing so. The only way to sidestep these spooks is to defy the natural order, and the only way to do that in a survivable way is to take advantage of others.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> his philosophy by it's nature defies the order of the world. > The only way to sidestep these spooks is to defy the natural order
Only if you believe that the natural order exists in the first place you spooky mf
11 months ago
Anonymous
By natural order I mean the fact that you will die without food, shelter, and clean water
11 months ago
Anonymous
And this is connected to having to pay rent to the israelites how?
>He does not hate that he has to earn capital to live
He probably sure did when he was chased from town to town by creditors, you absolute liberal you.
One does not have to labor. That’s the system the authorities set up to keep people enslaved and forever buying their shackles. Nice try spook salesman.
ancap utopia
If a union of egoists didn’t understand what the man wrote, I guess. And the result of Ancapistan is depicted in Blade Runner fyi >flavor of the month
Hahahahaha
You absolutely do have to labor to live in the natural order of the world. Food, shelter, and clean water do not appear out of thin air.
You either need to labor yourself for these things or you will need to take advantage of other's labor for these things, you idiot leftist.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But how much does this natural world cost/pay?
Don’t change the goal post
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not changing anything. If you want me to explain markets in simple terms I can do that.
See, individually food, water, and shelter costs almost all of your time and energy. You will need to spend most of your waking moments hunting, gathering, fishing, farming etc. in order to continue surviving. In the modern world, you can labor at other tasks in exchange for currency, which can be used to pay for things like food, water, and shelter that other people specialized in making/procuring through more and more advanced and clever and efficient methods as time has gone on.
This has made life considerably more comfortable for people, and has allowed people to pursue more than just survival.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not the guy you are replying to but can I interest you in Uncle Ted writings
11 months ago
Anonymous
>See, individually food, water, and shelter costs almost all of your time and energy. You will need to spend most of your waking moments hunting, gathering, fishing, farming etc. in order to continue surviving.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FRICKING moron
Nothing but truth. Everyone else is not as important to my autonomy. All judgments about me should be made by me. Not some poltard or liberal. Liberals lick the boot of the corporations who control them, conservatives lick the boot of the state who is controlled by those corporations. If I will lick any boot, it will be my own.
Max teaches us to move past political bickering, as if it'll get us anywhere, and just think for and of ourselves. Surely it is in MY personal and best interest I uphold positive and mutual relationships with others, but in the long run it is not beneficial I hold them with my boss or any forms of spooked authority. My friends, my relationship, etc., are all mutually beneficial, meanwhile the state is trying to stop me from growing and selling shrooms, and Mr Bossman is trying to squeeze as much work out of me as possible. To that, it is in my best interest to avoid the petty laws and do what I want. Don't just steal one or two items from walmart, Gift yourself them. Because nobody is as good as you to you than you. 🙂
I read The Unique and its Property, which other books/authors that follow Stirner's ideas do you recommend?
I will read Nietzsche since I understand he took a lot from Stirner but I'm looking for people who aim to expand what he explains.
Feuerbach and all the young Hegelians... Stirner doesn't really make sense outside of that. Nietzsche wasn't aware of Stirner... basically no one was and the only person who wrote extensively in relation to Stirner was Marx because he was so butthurt
Has anybody of you really read him? BC all I see here is circlejerk on 2nd and 3rd hand opinions, and nonsequitur baiting.
'Ego and its own' is really deep and significant work for those who would like ever try to understand Nietzc he or Freud.
Others.
No idea and don’t care
The most based guy. Nietzche, Freud and even Einstein drank at his source.
Also everybody's 'literally me' guy, with clarity of his writing characteristic only to truly great minds. No matter for how long generations of milkboys will stare sõyfaced to 'thus spoke Zarathustra', the sisphylitic ramblings of Nietzsche will only be Rudy poo compared to 'ego and its own'.
You are just salty Nietzsche declasses this guy in every realm imaginable.
The logical conclusion of atheism. If you read his book and base your personality on morality being subjective then you have taken a wrong turn, which you would only believe is a wrong turn if you hadn't taken it
>The logical conclusion of atheism.
this, egoists are the only logically consistent atheists
he was being ironic
To use sociological terminology "reification", "alienation", "ideology". Instead of thinking those could be overcome with social revolution like Marx he developed a form of radical nihilism and became a proto-edgelord
Linguistically he's taking the piss out of the style of certain Hegeloids but his central claim isn't "ironic"... just stylistically
He would support Trump if he was alive today
He would quickly be killed by an insect again so who cares
Nah, he would've put his own name on the ballot. Max's writing shows he'd be the type to throw semi-ironic petty protests like that.
I don't think he would've voted for anyone or at all for that mater.
>voted once; drew dicks all over the ballot and nicked a roll of "I Voted" stickers while the poll worker wasn't looking so he'd have a lifetime supply of social credit for participating without ever needing to show up and wait in line again
spooks
he lives among them now
A true nihilist if there ever was one
Stirner was just German Buddha
Yep
What would a union of egoists look like when put into practice?
>put into practice
ngmi
ancap utopia
The SS
Leszek Kołakowski:
>At first sight, Nazi totalitarianism may seem the opposite of Stirner's radical individualism. But fascism was above all an attempt to dissolve the social ties created by history and replace them by artificial bonds among individuals who were expected to render explicit obedience to the state on grounds of absolute egoism. Fascist education combined the tenets of asocial egoism and unquestioning conformism, the latter being the means by which the individual secured his own niche in the system. Stirner's philosophy has nothing to say against conformism, it only objects to the Ego being subordinated to any higher principle: the egoist is free to adjust to the world if it is clear he will better himself by doing so. His 'rebellion' may take the form of utter servility if it will further his interest; what he must not do is to be bound by 'general' values or myths of humanity. The totalitarian ideal of a barrack-like society from which all real, historical ties have been eliminated is perfectly consistent with Stirner's principles: the egoist, by his very nature, must be prepared to fight under any flag that suits his convenience.
Man it's crazy how everything I like leads back to Hitler
Universals.
Spiders in attics, creditors, having to make money to live. So ultimately it was capitalism. Had he lived after that spider bite, I believe there’d have been another piece or book to condemn that particular spook and maybe ways to sidestep it. Something like that maybe.
morons like you will never realize he's decrying the natural order of things and that's why he despises what is in place.
He does not hate that he has to earn capital to live, he hates that he has to labor to live. His whole philosophy in this regard is taking advantage of others to eschew this natural order.
He doesn't hate your flavor of the month intellectual larp boogeyman capitalism, he hates the actual order of the way our world works and looked for ways to defy it at any cost, because no cost was greater to him than the cost of personal discipline
There’s nothing in his philosophy about taking advantage of others, or about how he hates the order of the world. His philosophy obviously means not believing in any “natural order”, but making it your purpose to destroy the “natural order” would just be another spook.
My point is that his philosophy by it's nature defies the order of the world.
It is able to do this without explicitly stating it is doing so. The only way to sidestep these spooks is to defy the natural order, and the only way to do that in a survivable way is to take advantage of others.
> his philosophy by it's nature defies the order of the world.
> The only way to sidestep these spooks is to defy the natural order
Only if you believe that the natural order exists in the first place you spooky mf
By natural order I mean the fact that you will die without food, shelter, and clean water
And this is connected to having to pay rent to the israelites how?
>He does not hate that he has to earn capital to live
He probably sure did when he was chased from town to town by creditors, you absolute liberal you.
One does not have to labor. That’s the system the authorities set up to keep people enslaved and forever buying their shackles. Nice try spook salesman.
If a union of egoists didn’t understand what the man wrote, I guess. And the result of Ancapistan is depicted in Blade Runner fyi
>flavor of the month
Hahahahaha
You absolutely do have to labor to live in the natural order of the world. Food, shelter, and clean water do not appear out of thin air.
You either need to labor yourself for these things or you will need to take advantage of other's labor for these things, you idiot leftist.
But how much does this natural world cost/pay?
Don’t change the goal post
I'm not changing anything. If you want me to explain markets in simple terms I can do that.
See, individually food, water, and shelter costs almost all of your time and energy. You will need to spend most of your waking moments hunting, gathering, fishing, farming etc. in order to continue surviving. In the modern world, you can labor at other tasks in exchange for currency, which can be used to pay for things like food, water, and shelter that other people specialized in making/procuring through more and more advanced and clever and efficient methods as time has gone on.
This has made life considerably more comfortable for people, and has allowed people to pursue more than just survival.
Not the guy you are replying to but can I interest you in Uncle Ted writings
>See, individually food, water, and shelter costs almost all of your time and energy. You will need to spend most of your waking moments hunting, gathering, fishing, farming etc. in order to continue surviving.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FRICKING moron
Nothing but truth. Everyone else is not as important to my autonomy. All judgments about me should be made by me. Not some poltard or liberal. Liberals lick the boot of the corporations who control them, conservatives lick the boot of the state who is controlled by those corporations. If I will lick any boot, it will be my own.
Max teaches us to move past political bickering, as if it'll get us anywhere, and just think for and of ourselves. Surely it is in MY personal and best interest I uphold positive and mutual relationships with others, but in the long run it is not beneficial I hold them with my boss or any forms of spooked authority. My friends, my relationship, etc., are all mutually beneficial, meanwhile the state is trying to stop me from growing and selling shrooms, and Mr Bossman is trying to squeeze as much work out of me as possible. To that, it is in my best interest to avoid the petty laws and do what I want. Don't just steal one or two items from walmart, Gift yourself them. Because nobody is as good as you to you than you. 🙂
bump
me???
You know Plato? Frick his world.
I read The Unique and its Property, which other books/authors that follow Stirner's ideas do you recommend?
I will read Nietzsche since I understand he took a lot from Stirner but I'm looking for people who aim to expand what he explains.
Feuerbach and all the young Hegelians... Stirner doesn't really make sense outside of that. Nietzsche wasn't aware of Stirner... basically no one was and the only person who wrote extensively in relation to Stirner was Marx because he was so butthurt
I've never read his stuff because he seems like a total c**t and anyone who likes him I've met, is also a pretentious fat nerd.
t. Karl Marx
Has anybody of you really read him? BC all I see here is circlejerk on 2nd and 3rd hand opinions, and nonsequitur baiting.
'Ego and its own' is really deep and significant work for those who would like ever try to understand Nietzc he or Freud.
lit doesn't read
> >step 1: replace God with man
>step 2: replace man with myself
>step 3: realize that I am nothing
>step 4: base my whole affair on it anyway