I can never quite tell if he's truly gone off the rails, but it's practically impossible to tell what is genuine critique and what is just more sustained character assassination.
Man could cure cancer tomorrow and SJWs would say it took too long. His wife was diagnosed with terminal illness as he was battling preposterous levels of fame, got prescribed benzos without knowing the dangers, and ended up addicted and had to go to rehab. Now, that in itself, regardless of its obvious humanity and tragedy, is used to mock him as scum.
He's been saying some weird shit lately. That much I can tell. I just cannot figure out what the frick is actually a legit perspective.
is it really that hard to say? he became a pill addict who seems burnt out to this day and his single-mom daughter is running a meat shilling operation to simps. he is simply no longer qualified to be giving life advice to anyone, at least until he seriously acknowledges these basic facts, which he seems unwilling to. nobody wants to be lectured by someone whose house isnt in order. this was HIS POINT ORIGINALLY. i can forgive people for liking this guy within the year or so after he emerged because he was taking on psycho troons, pwning people in tv interviews, and giving what seemed like sensible life advice. but now the situation is very different, and he's squarely in the grifter slot until he finds some kind of way to really admit to the shortcomings that have become so obvious.
I don't feel like this is as valid as you declare it. I think 99% of people, in a situation alike the one he was in, would have fricking vaporized. I can barely even imagine the stress. In fact, I can't. I don't think most people can at that level. He can be a repository of knowledge and wisdom and still have broken under a weight only the utmost exceptional can carry. He's also lived his whole life in self-admitted depression and sick health and says he has always been rather emotionally volatile. I'd even say that given what he's been going through, the order of his house should exceed expectation.
the problem is that he doesnt integrate any of these shortcomings (or difficulties, call them what you like) with any sense of humility. he's stuck in the eternal professor mode, forever lecturing us like from above. that quite simply doesnt work when youre carrying this amount of baggage. you cant offload all the responsibility for your pill addiction by saying they were prescribed to you etc etc, and then turn around and tell other people to take responsibility. that's living differently from how you tell other people to live. nobody wants to hear from a hypocrite. plenty of people would be willing to hear from a reformed jordan peterson, but he hasn't put in the work and humility that it would require to get to that point
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think he actually has, on many occasions, taken responsibility for not doing his research on the benzos. And given that they are mass prescribed, and tens of thousands of lives are recurringly ruined by them, there's clearly something quite brutal and deceptive about the seemingly innocuous nature of benzos. If he had demanded clairvoyance and perfection of others, he would indeed be a hypocrite, yet that he never did.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol yeah benzos are quite bad no doubt. i dont think anyone is disputing that. the issue is peterson's relationship to his addiction and the contrast between his self-framing as a victim with his other-advice to take responsibility. if he wants to create a reformed persona then one or the other side here has to collapse. admit that people can be powerless victims and lean into that with personal experience. or, admit to personal failings to continue emphasizing responsibility, but from the perspective of the fallen man instead of the haughty professor. he wants it both ways and people smell it
2 years ago
Anonymous
He has most definitely acknowledged that people can be powerless victims. His advice is to say that while that is true, that doesn't mean you shouldn't immunize yourself to collapse following tragedy as much as you can. Yes, often random circumstance will come and ravage you and there's very little you can do about it, but that doesn't negate the sense in preparing yourself for hardships that are surmountable.
How do you think he should have handled himself after it, given that you think he's done it wrong?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i would never have come out with "another 12 rules for life" after so publicly going through all that shit. i think the move would have been to admit weakness. hey guys i was having a tough time because i overextended myself and had family issues. i got prescribed benzos and got addicted to them and my head just hasnt been right. its time for me to learn. lean into the humility angle. maybe do an interview series where you talk to people from different faiths and ideologies but actually listen to their opinions on weakness, addiction, death, family problems, and so on without interjecting long rambling thoughts that lead nowhere. become a public listener. it's your penance for failing as the self help guy. do that for like two years and then you're in the perfect position to launch whatever product you want to. do your new 12 rules then, it'll be coming from a reformed character instead of a fallen one
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hey guys i was having a tough time because i overextended myself and had family issues. i got prescribed benzos and got addicted to them and my head just hasnt been right.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here but I think this is what he said nearly verbatim after he got himself back together again. >you talk to people from different faiths and ideologies but actually listen to their opinions on weakness, addiction, death, family problems, and so on without interjecting long rambling thoughts that lead nowhere. become a public listener. it's your penance for failing as the self help guy. do that for like two years and then you're in the perfect position to launch whatever product you want to.
This would have been appropriate had he made some terrible moral mistake. What other lesson ought he have learned except the dangers of using benzos?
A psychiatrist should know the dangers of benzos.
No one feels pity for a doctor that turns into a meth addict.
What a pitiful comment. He's a psychologist, not a psychiatrist. A psychologist deals with conversational therapy, whereas a psychiatrist deals in pharmacology. A psychologist can reach a PhD without knowing the bare minimum about pharmacology. In fact, that is the case with the majority of them. You thought the two were the same just because the words sounded alike?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What other lesson ought he have learned except the dangers of using benzos?
this is funny because you're using the exact same line of reasoning he's using. as i said, this is being a victim. "i didn't know the danger." "the external pill is dangerous." here's how people respond to that:
ok man. dont talk to me about personal responsibility anymore then. oh, 12 more rules for life? lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The endlogic of what you seem to be implying is that falling victim to something cannot happen. Every human errs. He's taken responsibility for what he can. He should have known better about the drug, and he did not. If you think that warrants a year long tour of "listening to other perspectives," you'll need to make a better case for it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The point is he didn't know benzos were bad but that he thought a magic pill would solve all his problems instead of being a man and cleaning his room.
There's also that old interview of him and and his daughter when she was a child, explaining how she had a prescription for antidepressants because "I get worried sometimes in bed that my parents won't be there in the morning".
And Mr world class psychologist is just like "mhm yes my precious daughter open wide and swallow a fist full of pills during an important stage of mental development".
2 years ago
Anonymous
there is undoubtedly a giant iceberg of shit with his daughter that neither of them is publicly acknowledging. considering she's a single mom grifting on being a meat queen and he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say about it im gonna guess that jordan wasnt such a great father in her early years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bringing her onto some tv talk show to parade her problems to the world (just to increase his media presence early in his career) is really telling tbh.
The dude is a demon.
He claims to be Christian but refuses to admit belief in God. He also doesn't believe that Christ truly existed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't think he's a christian, but i think he's targeting christians as an audience. this puts him in a position where he has to respect all aspects of christian belief, but can never admit to being one when pressed: which is exactly the behavior we observe. the fact is that he's an agnostic jungian who recognizes archetypes in biblical texts and leveraged this into a college lecturing career, which ended up being the platform he had to maintain once he unexpectedly catapulted into fame over, of all things, trannies lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
i think ive made a pretty good case, you can listen or not. as for peterson he released 12 more rules that nobody cares about and he's a laughing stock across the internet, so yeah keep going with the same strategy king
2 years ago
Anonymous
You've not made a single case. You just stated it factually and explained nothing. >keep going with the same strategy king
Don't know what strategy you're implying but alright man, have a good evening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
have you read the thread? i was asked how he should have handled himself. i outlined a strategy that i would have used. not sure if you're the same anon but c'mon man, keep up
2 years ago
Anonymous
You explained how he should have handled himself, yet the prescription (no pun) didn't seem to fit what happened at all. If you wanna give it another shot, I'm genuinely listening. If not, yeah, have a good whatever-hour-youre-in.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it fit what happened, whether you like it or not
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't like it any particular way except that which seems sensical. If he had made some catastrophical mistake which rendered his espoused views void, then yeah, a journey of re-evaluation and practiced listening would be warranted. As far as I've seen, that's not what happened. Closing thread though, good luck.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If he had made some catastrophical mistake which rendered his espoused views void
we covered this so early in the thread that you're obviously just in denial about it. drug addict. meat queen daughter. wake up
2 years ago
Anonymous
Same shit he's a doctor as if he wouldn't know benzos are mad Lmao.
And yes the two are the same because they are both scam professions.
2 years ago
Anonymous
brainlet cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
Peterson gives dumbass advice. When he tells you to wash your penis he makes mental problems look much smaller than they are. When he himself faced real problems, he broke. How can the advice of such a man help anyone with severe depression?
she's so fricking off-putting and unattractive lol. how the frick did he raise that? it's like JBP is living proof of how no matter how trad you raise you're daughter, it's a coin flip of whether she's gonna be an intolerable thot
the greatest trait peterson possesses is his ability to hypnotize these guys into seeing him as both daddy and victim. he gives me the good life advice, he tells me how to live, how to avoid all the problems and the pitfalls; but his drug addiction, his meat shill single daughter, are in no way his fault, in no way his responsibility, and nothing he has to take any action about. i will simply continue buying his books. who knew this many moronic sheep existed, waiting to be exploited? i guess peterson stumbled right into it. good for him, best move he ever made clearly
He's become more of a hack than ever. In his video from yesterday, where he explains his tweet that referred to "criminal physicians" who operated on Ellen/Elliot Page, he said they were criminal in the same way that Nazi medical experiments were criminal, ignoring the obvious difference that one is paid for and consented to, and the other not.
This is just the latest example. I used to watch his interviews and stuff back in 2018, 2019, and I could still listen to those. It's sad to say but he hasn't been the same since his benzo shit, as far as I can tell.
This guy is a psy-op to divert attention from class struggle (E.G: occupy wall street), and falsely redirect attention toward fake problematics: identity politics, gender etc...
The psy-op goes both ways. Soros propaganda to catch on the hipster, thinking they are revolutionary for being pro transgender. But the psy-op is also creating fake revolutionary figures with "traditional" values, like Jordan Peterson. Who by the way, criticize class struggle.
You people can discuss about whatever you want, as long as it is not class abolition. That is the real nightmare of the "elite".
My question has always been, to what extent is Peterson aware of his role in this?
I feel that he truly believes what he says which is pretty stupid for a guy that is as smart as he says he is
Traditionalism is boomer mentality. It's the rebellion mentality of boomers. So it's possible that he believe in his own bullshit.
In my opinion, zoomer will be class struggle oriented, for the simple reason that they are totally cucked in the class based society. They are cucked now, and they would be cucked in national (socialism) as well. Capitalism gave some hope before to climb the latter, but now it's over. If you are born a wage-slave, you will most likely die a wage slave, except if you are exceptionally smart or talented. The simple realization that it is over for them zoomers, will draw them to class consciousness.
I don't know whether it was the pills or the experimental third world rehab treatment that did it but his brain is literally fried.
Any future book that comes out will surely be ghostwritten.
UP YOURS YOU SONS OF b***hES YOU GOD DAMN BLOODY RAT BASTARDS. I DIDNT WANNNA BE ON YOUR STOOPID WEBSITE ANYWAY, GO AHEAD, BAN ME, SEE IF I CARE. BLOODY IDEOLOGUES
It'll be about how millennials with a victimhood mentality will make Gulags out of Western values because of their Maoist pronouns so just ask the Kulaks how that worked out.
I thought that photo and this thread was about Mishima at first as well. Didn't want to be the bearer of bad news and tell OP that Mishima has been dead for quite some time, and isn't going to release a new book anytime soon.
does anyone care? book #2 didnt seem to make any cultural splash at all.
I can never quite tell if he's truly gone off the rails, but it's practically impossible to tell what is genuine critique and what is just more sustained character assassination.
Man could cure cancer tomorrow and SJWs would say it took too long. His wife was diagnosed with terminal illness as he was battling preposterous levels of fame, got prescribed benzos without knowing the dangers, and ended up addicted and had to go to rehab. Now, that in itself, regardless of its obvious humanity and tragedy, is used to mock him as scum.
He's been saying some weird shit lately. That much I can tell. I just cannot figure out what the frick is actually a legit perspective.
is it really that hard to say? he became a pill addict who seems burnt out to this day and his single-mom daughter is running a meat shilling operation to simps. he is simply no longer qualified to be giving life advice to anyone, at least until he seriously acknowledges these basic facts, which he seems unwilling to. nobody wants to be lectured by someone whose house isnt in order. this was HIS POINT ORIGINALLY. i can forgive people for liking this guy within the year or so after he emerged because he was taking on psycho troons, pwning people in tv interviews, and giving what seemed like sensible life advice. but now the situation is very different, and he's squarely in the grifter slot until he finds some kind of way to really admit to the shortcomings that have become so obvious.
It's sad seeing Peterson in the state he's in. But as said, he is no longer in a position of authority to be giving advice to anyone.
I don't feel like this is as valid as you declare it. I think 99% of people, in a situation alike the one he was in, would have fricking vaporized. I can barely even imagine the stress. In fact, I can't. I don't think most people can at that level. He can be a repository of knowledge and wisdom and still have broken under a weight only the utmost exceptional can carry. He's also lived his whole life in self-admitted depression and sick health and says he has always been rather emotionally volatile. I'd even say that given what he's been going through, the order of his house should exceed expectation.
the problem is that he doesnt integrate any of these shortcomings (or difficulties, call them what you like) with any sense of humility. he's stuck in the eternal professor mode, forever lecturing us like from above. that quite simply doesnt work when youre carrying this amount of baggage. you cant offload all the responsibility for your pill addiction by saying they were prescribed to you etc etc, and then turn around and tell other people to take responsibility. that's living differently from how you tell other people to live. nobody wants to hear from a hypocrite. plenty of people would be willing to hear from a reformed jordan peterson, but he hasn't put in the work and humility that it would require to get to that point
I think he actually has, on many occasions, taken responsibility for not doing his research on the benzos. And given that they are mass prescribed, and tens of thousands of lives are recurringly ruined by them, there's clearly something quite brutal and deceptive about the seemingly innocuous nature of benzos. If he had demanded clairvoyance and perfection of others, he would indeed be a hypocrite, yet that he never did.
lol yeah benzos are quite bad no doubt. i dont think anyone is disputing that. the issue is peterson's relationship to his addiction and the contrast between his self-framing as a victim with his other-advice to take responsibility. if he wants to create a reformed persona then one or the other side here has to collapse. admit that people can be powerless victims and lean into that with personal experience. or, admit to personal failings to continue emphasizing responsibility, but from the perspective of the fallen man instead of the haughty professor. he wants it both ways and people smell it
He has most definitely acknowledged that people can be powerless victims. His advice is to say that while that is true, that doesn't mean you shouldn't immunize yourself to collapse following tragedy as much as you can. Yes, often random circumstance will come and ravage you and there's very little you can do about it, but that doesn't negate the sense in preparing yourself for hardships that are surmountable.
How do you think he should have handled himself after it, given that you think he's done it wrong?
i would never have come out with "another 12 rules for life" after so publicly going through all that shit. i think the move would have been to admit weakness. hey guys i was having a tough time because i overextended myself and had family issues. i got prescribed benzos and got addicted to them and my head just hasnt been right. its time for me to learn. lean into the humility angle. maybe do an interview series where you talk to people from different faiths and ideologies but actually listen to their opinions on weakness, addiction, death, family problems, and so on without interjecting long rambling thoughts that lead nowhere. become a public listener. it's your penance for failing as the self help guy. do that for like two years and then you're in the perfect position to launch whatever product you want to. do your new 12 rules then, it'll be coming from a reformed character instead of a fallen one
>hey guys i was having a tough time because i overextended myself and had family issues. i got prescribed benzos and got addicted to them and my head just hasnt been right.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here but I think this is what he said nearly verbatim after he got himself back together again.
>you talk to people from different faiths and ideologies but actually listen to their opinions on weakness, addiction, death, family problems, and so on without interjecting long rambling thoughts that lead nowhere. become a public listener. it's your penance for failing as the self help guy. do that for like two years and then you're in the perfect position to launch whatever product you want to.
This would have been appropriate had he made some terrible moral mistake. What other lesson ought he have learned except the dangers of using benzos?
What a pitiful comment. He's a psychologist, not a psychiatrist. A psychologist deals with conversational therapy, whereas a psychiatrist deals in pharmacology. A psychologist can reach a PhD without knowing the bare minimum about pharmacology. In fact, that is the case with the majority of them. You thought the two were the same just because the words sounded alike?
>What other lesson ought he have learned except the dangers of using benzos?
this is funny because you're using the exact same line of reasoning he's using. as i said, this is being a victim. "i didn't know the danger." "the external pill is dangerous." here's how people respond to that:
ok man. dont talk to me about personal responsibility anymore then. oh, 12 more rules for life? lol.
The endlogic of what you seem to be implying is that falling victim to something cannot happen. Every human errs. He's taken responsibility for what he can. He should have known better about the drug, and he did not. If you think that warrants a year long tour of "listening to other perspectives," you'll need to make a better case for it.
The point is he didn't know benzos were bad but that he thought a magic pill would solve all his problems instead of being a man and cleaning his room.
There's also that old interview of him and and his daughter when she was a child, explaining how she had a prescription for antidepressants because "I get worried sometimes in bed that my parents won't be there in the morning".
And Mr world class psychologist is just like "mhm yes my precious daughter open wide and swallow a fist full of pills during an important stage of mental development".
there is undoubtedly a giant iceberg of shit with his daughter that neither of them is publicly acknowledging. considering she's a single mom grifting on being a meat queen and he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say about it im gonna guess that jordan wasnt such a great father in her early years.
Bringing her onto some tv talk show to parade her problems to the world (just to increase his media presence early in his career) is really telling tbh.
The dude is a demon.
He claims to be Christian but refuses to admit belief in God. He also doesn't believe that Christ truly existed.
i don't think he's a christian, but i think he's targeting christians as an audience. this puts him in a position where he has to respect all aspects of christian belief, but can never admit to being one when pressed: which is exactly the behavior we observe. the fact is that he's an agnostic jungian who recognizes archetypes in biblical texts and leveraged this into a college lecturing career, which ended up being the platform he had to maintain once he unexpectedly catapulted into fame over, of all things, trannies lmao
i think ive made a pretty good case, you can listen or not. as for peterson he released 12 more rules that nobody cares about and he's a laughing stock across the internet, so yeah keep going with the same strategy king
You've not made a single case. You just stated it factually and explained nothing.
>keep going with the same strategy king
Don't know what strategy you're implying but alright man, have a good evening.
have you read the thread? i was asked how he should have handled himself. i outlined a strategy that i would have used. not sure if you're the same anon but c'mon man, keep up
You explained how he should have handled himself, yet the prescription (no pun) didn't seem to fit what happened at all. If you wanna give it another shot, I'm genuinely listening. If not, yeah, have a good whatever-hour-youre-in.
it fit what happened, whether you like it or not
I don't like it any particular way except that which seems sensical. If he had made some catastrophical mistake which rendered his espoused views void, then yeah, a journey of re-evaluation and practiced listening would be warranted. As far as I've seen, that's not what happened. Closing thread though, good luck.
>If he had made some catastrophical mistake which rendered his espoused views void
we covered this so early in the thread that you're obviously just in denial about it. drug addict. meat queen daughter. wake up
Same shit he's a doctor as if he wouldn't know benzos are mad Lmao.
And yes the two are the same because they are both scam professions.
brainlet cope
Peterson gives dumbass advice. When he tells you to wash your penis he makes mental problems look much smaller than they are. When he himself faced real problems, he broke. How can the advice of such a man help anyone with severe depression?
He's in the belly of the dragon. He will emerge victorious just wait.
A psychiatrist should know the dangers of benzos.
No one feels pity for a doctor that turns into a meth addict.
>I can never quite tell if he's truly gone off the rails
His new video:
I got an arc. It’s about twincest.
It's going to be about me deep dicking his daughter
she's so fricking off-putting and unattractive lol. how the frick did he raise that? it's like JBP is living proof of how no matter how trad you raise you're daughter, it's a coin flip of whether she's gonna be an intolerable thot
and before you comment that he did it wrong: his son (julien?) seems really chill and well adjusted
He became trad late in life.
trauma from getting banned from twitter
12 rules for life #3
returning to order
XD
He said he's going to write about Wagner's Meistersinger in his new book.
podclips.com/c/4jwKzh
Juden Peterstein
XD
the greatest trait peterson possesses is his ability to hypnotize these guys into seeing him as both daddy and victim. he gives me the good life advice, he tells me how to live, how to avoid all the problems and the pitfalls; but his drug addiction, his meat shill single daughter, are in no way his fault, in no way his responsibility, and nothing he has to take any action about. i will simply continue buying his books. who knew this many moronic sheep existed, waiting to be exploited? i guess peterson stumbled right into it. good for him, best move he ever made clearly
He's become more of a hack than ever. In his video from yesterday, where he explains his tweet that referred to "criminal physicians" who operated on Ellen/Elliot Page, he said they were criminal in the same way that Nazi medical experiments were criminal, ignoring the obvious difference that one is paid for and consented to, and the other not.
This is just the latest example. I used to watch his interviews and stuff back in 2018, 2019, and I could still listen to those. It's sad to say but he hasn't been the same since his benzo shit, as far as I can tell.
He's right.
prolly how to be a bigger b***h and pretend you dont notice
This guy is a psy-op to divert attention from class struggle (E.G: occupy wall street), and falsely redirect attention toward fake problematics: identity politics, gender etc...
The psy-op goes both ways. Soros propaganda to catch on the hipster, thinking they are revolutionary for being pro transgender. But the psy-op is also creating fake revolutionary figures with "traditional" values, like Jordan Peterson. Who by the way, criticize class struggle.
You people can discuss about whatever you want, as long as it is not class abolition. That is the real nightmare of the "elite".
My question has always been, to what extent is Peterson aware of his role in this?
I feel that he truly believes what he says which is pretty stupid for a guy that is as smart as he says he is
Traditionalism is boomer mentality. It's the rebellion mentality of boomers. So it's possible that he believe in his own bullshit.
In my opinion, zoomer will be class struggle oriented, for the simple reason that they are totally cucked in the class based society. They are cucked now, and they would be cucked in national (socialism) as well. Capitalism gave some hope before to climb the latter, but now it's over. If you are born a wage-slave, you will most likely die a wage slave, except if you are exceptionally smart or talented. The simple realization that it is over for them zoomers, will draw them to class consciousness.
I don't know whether it was the pills or the experimental third world rehab treatment that did it but his brain is literally fried.
Any future book that comes out will surely be ghostwritten.
UP YOURS YOU SONS OF b***hES YOU GOD DAMN BLOODY RAT BASTARDS. I DIDNT WANNNA BE ON YOUR STOOPID WEBSITE ANYWAY, GO AHEAD, BAN ME, SEE IF I CARE. BLOODY IDEOLOGUES
It'll be about how millennials with a victimhood mentality will make Gulags out of Western values because of their Maoist pronouns so just ask the Kulaks how that worked out.
He's a shill.
...for?
The book industry. Look at his website. He has not 1 but 2 reading lists.
Yo what the frick, the entire time I thought that was Mishima.
I thought that photo and this thread was about Mishima at first as well. Didn't want to be the bearer of bad news and tell OP that Mishima has been dead for quite some time, and isn't going to release a new book anytime soon.
It's Evola