What's so hard about directories that boomers and zoomers don't understand? how can we make them understand?
What's so hard about directories that boomers and zoomers don't understand? how can we make them understand?
What's so hard about directories that boomers and zoomers don't understand? how can we make them understand?
"Directories" don't make sense. They're also not related to how the data is physically stored. They misleadingly use the word "move" when not moving anything.
>it's like a filing cabinet but you can put folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside folders inside ...
None of that is confusing. You can put a folder in a folder irl.
It confuses people about where data is on the computer. It's a lie. It has nothing to do with "locations" of data.
>It confuses people
moronic people, sure. But they're going to be confused no matter how you spell it out to them.
Look, I get it - you're very smart, and we're all stupid by virtue of the fact that we are not you, but nitpicking analogies used to explain semi-complex organizational methods to simpletons that eat tide pods for fun because you know something about how it really works (as if it matters) is like jerking off with a clothespin on the end of your prick: it's not getting anybody anywhere.
So either put forth your own idea of how to teach the Deltas about how file storage works or shut up. Don't keep coming in here dick-teasing us about how smart you are.
Nobody cares where the actual data is stored on the drive. You're like that Zoolander meme where they're saying the files are inside the computer.
If you cannot understand what a metaphor is, you are too moronic for any kind of work that requires a computer anyway. Except maybe a cash register.
yes, it's a tree-like abstraction, because to humans it makes more sense to have some structure, not just one big list of files as it "really" is
The real data is storer as 1s and 0s, but we can make abstractions that handle the difficult or confusing parts "behind the scenes" and only exposes the logical part
It is not related to how computers work. DOS and Mac OS originally didn't have directories. It is also not an abstraction because it doesn't abstract anything. Not all code is an abstraction.
How is it not an abstraction? It abstracts list data structure into a tree data structure. You don't have to think about the underlying list, just about the trees, so obviously it's an abstraction
>It abstracts list data structure into a tree data structure.
That's not what abstraction means.
It doesn't matter how it's physically stored
Directories as a tree is almost 1:1 mapping to a file system abstraction so they in fact make sense
one must be moronic to not understand that things have names to simplify communication
everybody learned the concepts of directories and files by playing on a computer
some of us had a user's guide for MS DOS (typing things) or Windows (seeing and cliking things)
or alternatively someone told them (assuming windows):
computer has disks that store data
when you open "my computer" there are icons of a disk
you can create or read data on them
the disks contain directories and files
files contain some data and directories contain files
you can create them with ... and so on
Even if they don't own a computer at home it's mind-boggling to me that someone could live 20 years without attending any computer classes. Are there no basic computer classes nowadays? Maybe they wouldn't be that moronic if instead of teaching them idiotic things like there are more than 2 genders they would teach them some basic skills. Computer skills are now like reading and writing and without these basic skills they are by definition illiterate.
>everybody learned the concepts of directories and files by playing on a computer
No they didn't. For quite a long time, you've been able to use a PC without needing to know which directory your files are in.
You want to open a file again? Open the program you were using it in and click Open or Recent. Download a file? Click Downloads in your browser and scroll until you find it.
Trying to find a file and don't know where it is or what program uses it? Just type its name in the desktop search field. Spotlight's nearly 20 years old, Windows 7 launched has a Search field in the Start menu and that's nearly 15 years old, and Ubuntu had the whole controversy with its desktop search sending queries to Amazon 10+ years ago.
>when you open "my computer" there are icons of a disk
That hasn't been on the default Desktop beginning with XP (2001), while Windows 8 (2012) removed [My] Computer from the default Start Menu, both tablet & desktop modes.
>No they didn't
>Because you don't have to
When you download something, it either pops up on the downloads folder, or you enter where you want it downloaded. Before that, you will browse the mega file system or wherever you downloaded your file. When you attach something to an email, you browse its directory. When you attach an image to a post in IQfy, you do the same. When you browse a webpage, the address is similar to a file's address. When you install anything, it is installed somewhere, which the installer will usually tell you. It will also create an icon, which you can examine which leads you to the directory. Your mobile device has a files app. You can click it to find your photos. It probably creates different folders for your images and your videos.
Even with new computers, file systems are everywhere.
>Even with new computers, file systems are everywhere.
I urge you to reread my post. I never said they're gone, I said that "everybody" didn't learn about directories because they can use computers effectively without having to understand how to use directories.
All your examples, those are all unnecessary as you could just search for the file, or niche uses. IQfy or Mega is not as popular with the general public as you think, people clicking "Next, Next, Next" in an installer don't have to pay attention to where its going installed, or where the shortcut points to, a phone having a files app doesn't mean you ever have to use it and its Photos app has tons of ways to find a picture (chronologically, by default) without using directories.
Its cool that you know how to use directories, but being unable to imagine that people have been able to use a computer for over a decade without learning them is limiting your understanding of most users.
What alternative do you suggest?
Think of it like the mouse in your house has his own adress, but at the same time the same adress as you.
>boomers
Trying to rewrite history eh? Boomers know way more about computers than zoomers ever will.
There's no real folders or tablets on phones, so the zoom zooms never had to learn it.
Tablets and phones both have folders but normies rarely have to interact with them
iPhones don't (not on the general user level anyway), which is probably the root cause of this lack of understanding.
>astrophysics
>Uses Rhino Solidworks for the turbine
>Cant save files in a pendrive
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
Link to the article because OP couldn't be bothered to provide it.
>weekly zoomer hate thread since 3 years
A common symptom of spergs is a preference for performing repetitive actions which make no sense
grim
Honestly, most people not knowing what the frick a folder/directory is is fine. It's when such people infiltrate jobs that require basic computing knowledge that it becomes an issue.
What I don't get is how do you keep things organized without folders? A lot of programs even use menus that are organized basically like folders (even using a folder icon in the case of e.g. webbrowser bookmarks).
It's because they learn how to use computers through mobile/tablet interfaces
Just wait until you have to explain what is "active directory"
because teaching people about computers was outsourced to a system that isn't capable of doing that
>be boomer
>save everything to desktop
>be broccoli head
>your search function can pull anything up in 2 clicks
Millenilols just got saddled with having to maintain tons of files but search being shit.