ATX are usually easier to work in which is why I opted for it on my first build. I'll probably do an ITX build once those new gpus come out though seems fun.
This. >What use is a Ferrari when you can drive to the store just fine in a Corolla? >What use is a Rolex when you can check the time on your smartphone? >What use is a condo when you live by yourself?
mine wasn't any more expensive than a decent full-sized desktop build, only "premium" thing about it was the case but it's no different to building in nicer shit like the O11D
boards offer less pcie slots and shit, but i never used them anyway
>Mini-ITX is synonymous with premium and luxurious these days.
No it isn't. Nobody even gives a frick but a small subset of a small subset of a small subset of the population lmao
>Mini-ITX is synonymous with premium and luxurious these days.
For it to be "premium and luxurious" would imply that it's better than a standard case in some way, which it's not.
mini itx builds used to make a lot of sense when people did lan parties. not being cucked with laptop hardware at the lan was a nice luxury.
they weren't popular back when people did lan parties though.
They're for weebs that equate small with being cute. Propaganda pushed by shitty jap cartoons and men that desire to be women, who watch said children's programming.
easier thermals because a 120mm fan is like the equivalent of a 180mm fan on a bigger case (less air and space to push) and need 2 fans instead of 4 fans or whatever
most ITX cases it's usually form overr function though, and hopefully the popularity of the NR200 will make ITX mobos be higher volume and cheaper
the bottom fans are necessary if you're running the tower cooler as rear intake, this guy in the vid
there are still many shitty ATX cases have even worse thermals like the Fractal Define. Rather than focusing on the form factor, you should be looking at the whole package. so many ATX cases dont even have a vented side panel for the GPU to exhaust out directly, instead it's a solid panel so the CPU cooler intakes a lot of sloppy seconds from it
an ITX case like pic related can run hot GPUs like the 3080 very well
tested both configurations
for rear exhaust with a vented panel, you're right, it doesn't help at all and it's practically a net zero benefit, but rear exhaust isn't always viable in the NR200 (e.g. with hotter GPUs and/or glass panel)
in that pic, slim fans would be better but that looks like enough clearance to help direct case airflow
The only way this is good is if you remove the GPU shroud and fans and get fans thick enough to go from the bottom of the case to the GPU heatsink or if you use foam to make a tunnel to the heatrsink from the fans so there's no gap.
Literally no reason except for aesthetics. For practical purposes, you'd be moronic not to build a full ATX, it's better in every way and cheaper to boot.
there are still many shitty ATX cases have even worse thermals like the Fractal Define. Rather than focusing on the form factor, you should be looking at the whole package. so many ATX cases dont even have a vented side panel for the GPU to exhaust out directly, instead it's a solid panel so the CPU cooler intakes a lot of sloppy seconds from it
an ITX case like pic related can run hot GPUs like the 3080 very well
>so many ATX cases dont even have a vented side panel for the GPU to exhaust out directly
That's not the fault of the case, it's your fault for not choosing a blower-type GPU cooler that blows air out of the adjacent slot, rather than the fan types which are far from optimal.
>blower-type GPU
lmao come on dude, there's a reason no one builds that anymore
you're basically compromising GPU thermals in favor of CPU temps
just get a fricking vented side panel and the GPU can exhaust most of the hot air out efficiently
do you really need a gay glass panel? the novelty wears out quick
Small and simple itx builds with APUs are extremely based.
Big, complicated sometimes even water cooled itx builds with high end gpus being chocked to death by non existent cooling are reddit tier cancer.
>high end gpus being chocked to death
Wouldn't it have ok thermals anyways if it's right up on the side mesh panel like it's an open frame?
I kinda want to try something like pic related on my next upgrade like a few years later, but having to use a riser cable kinda bugs me for some reason, like another hassle to upgrade and source (like exact length) when it's pcie gen 6 again for no reason other than to obsolete older CPUs
>you never need the latest pcie generation
you really think more GPUs won't be 8x lanes or even 4x lanes precisely because it didn't even saturate 16x lanes in the first place?
it's going to happen so you can't use your CPU for 5+ years like how an R5 1600x has almost no bottleneck at 4K gaming
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Literally every number on that chart is fantastic.
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the 6600xt literally performs worse than a 5600xt in this case
the fact that doom eternal will run very well even on a potato is besides the point but very much appreciated for sure
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To me it seems like everything does the job and b***hing is silly
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yeah i guess if you're just going to stay in 1080p forever then anything's fine
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Seems like it. The only bump that matters is 1440p anyway and even then the difference is noticeable (somewhat) but negligible.
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more DPI is always appreciated, I'd play on a 27" 4K 144hz screen right now if it was reasonably priced + GPUs were cheap when I upgraded
that said my monitor is a 1080p 240hz just so my rig will last 5 years without me noticing anything, as in the games i'll play will be buttery smooth at 240fps but will end up 120fps by the time my PC becomes e-waste (strobe modes on monitors will display with less crosstalk / more clarity with the refresh headroom so 240hz is not useless either at lower fps)
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To each their own i suppose. After 1440p i Cant tell a difference in anything other than component cost and ill gladly run 1080p forever
Maybe im just older. The bump from 480p/standard resolution was amazing but the jump from 1080p to higher doesn't wow me the same. Ill take huge framerate over dpi any day.
If i was using VR if probably feel different though
Most of IQfy is poor and have to live in their mom's broom cupboard or something. Their moms also hiss and spit about them burning power 24/7.
In this context, miniITX makes sense. From a IQfyentooman's perspective, it sure as frick beats getting a job and moving out.
I have a very small 1 room apartment and wanted to build a server for homelab frickery and file storage. Since I don't want a noisy box where i sleep I had to find some room in my 1m2 hallway. ITX was the only option and I'm very happy with it.
I also think aesthetics can be a reason. A sleek ITX case looks better on the table than an RGB eyecancer Discoball. Obviously everything else is a strict downgrade.
After I got a separate NAS I realized I didn't need all that space. So now I can have a case that takes so little space I don't mind putting it on my desk.
by which I mean they are completely underused by 95% of their buyers which makes them look ridiculous because it's like wearing winter clothes the whole year just because it's going to snow for half a month
Portability. You can take a somewhat proper desktop and bring it with you in your backpack. So it is ideal as a workstation. You can easily move it between office and home office, back to your parents or whatever when visiting.
I just built in an NR200 but I completely underestimated how "portable" an 18L case would be, can't really hold anything else since I have to hold the case horizontally just in case of sag on the tower cooler or GPU
Still very easy to bring it around different houses (brought it to my friend's to play on his 4K 120hz TV) but definitely need a <13L case for actual portability.
Not about the weight but about the volume, if it was a smaller case you could just backpack it and carry a monitor with your hands
99% of the people with ITX builds don't actually need or use the reduced size. A regular ATX mid-tower would fit just fine under their desk and they rarely if ever transport the machine.
I'm also too lazy to dust out my case, so I just... don't. It only gets dusted maybe once every 18 months or so when I have to open it up for some other reason. It's fine, and doesn't overheat or anything. You just cooked up an excuse to consoom a fashionable product.
99% of the people with ITX builds don't do anything where the additional power of a desktop would help, they would unironically better served by a laptop.
I use my desk for many things besides just my computer, so I need it to be covered by as little computer tower as possible. Since your options for computer cases are generally: 1) big 2) fricking big, or 3) XBox Huge, a mini-ITX case is literally the only option available (besides complete custom jobs) that gets me "performance" computer parts and a small footprint on the desktop.
You can apply this logic to anything. What makes things interesting are the choices and differences. Same in cars, houses, ect. Bigger isn't always better. People like you are the reason why Walmart is everyone. It's the cheapest so it's the best. Okay buddy.
I have the SG13 (even built one for a friend) that and the NR200 seem to be the most "practical" cases.
Unlike pic related I'm using an SFX PSU and just the standard wraith stealth cooler that came with my 2600 and later my 5600X when I upgraded.
Also fits a 3060 Ti which is a decent upgrade from my 1060 that I had in there for a while.
Biggest thing I like about Mini-ITX builds are that they are fun to build in, and they keep be from buying stupid hardware.
my NR200 cools my GPU better than almost any case on the market. Besides that, I routinely bring it downstairs to plug into the TV so making it more portable is pretty cool. CPU is using an AIO so I have essentially the best performing case but in a convenient compact size.
I will NOT use micro ITX
I will NOT use gaming RGB coolers
I WILL use EATX motherboards
I WILL use full tower case
I WILL populate all SATA ports and PCIe slots
And I WILL be happy
So you can have a full fledged PC in your living room and not look like a virgin. It fits better inside furniture and lets you use those fancy new 4K/120 TVs that are coming out, and has a portability feature for stepping out of town.
irrelevant. Bottom line is if you want more than a laptop can provide you build a desktop. If you want that and you want to be able to take the desktop places, you build a small desktop.
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There is nothing at all that a mini-ITX machine can do that a large laptop couldn't do better.
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>full-size GPU and proper CPU blocks your path
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You know there is such a thing as a desktop replacement, right? You can buy a laptop with desktop parts in it. It's essentially just a desktop with keyboard, mouse and trackpad and a built-in UPS.
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>You know there is such a thing as a desktop replacement, right?
Of course, and it's an even shittier compromise than a small desktop
I have to move and travel with my computer and laptops are useless for big stuff, the itx will look weird but at least it isn't a full ATX.
Fricking nvidia and amd should release 3070 ti and 6750xt in small form factors with the new 5 nm tech...frickers
They are great for builds like routers or other "appliance" type PCs, or compact workstations. I would not do an ITX gaming PC because heat issues and most quality components that make a solid gaming PC take up a lot more space than you can reasonably stuff into an ITX box. Micro ATX is the smallest I'd go for a gaming system.
They cute
Cute!
why are you gay
spot the one in the closet
You are saying you don't like cute things?
like girls? so you like men anon?
This, but unironically.
If you build a full tower, you are just compensating for your tiny dick.
ATX are usually easier to work in which is why I opted for it on my first build. I'll probably do an ITX build once those new gpus come out though seems fun.
how many 3.5 inch hard disk drives can you fit in your manlet pc case homosexual
novelty.
like how a pc can be cooled with regular fans but Black folk decide to put water in it.
This.
>What use is a Ferrari when you can drive to the store just fine in a Corolla?
>What use is a Rolex when you can check the time on your smartphone?
>What use is a condo when you live by yourself?
big AIOs are better (not talking about the shitty 120mm ones) and practically required for the housefire CPUs like the 12900KYS
it's only moronic when some homosexual decides to use a 280mm AIO or custom loops for a fricking 5600x
they cute
ayo that's a swatika
My boy has the Radeon 3rd Reich Edition.
Damn i want that card
It's literally just a reference 6000 series card most likely a 6800xt.
the 6800 and lower have a shitty painted red radeon logo so it's definitely the 6800xt or 6900xt
Well my wife saw that and wants a graphics card 'the fuhrer would approve of' so i guess im buying it now
Sauce on card?
AMD NO!
ITX a cute! I want one
That's correct, you pay more to occupy less space in your living space.
buy a bigger house instead of the mini-itx poorgay cope
When space is a premium and bare metal is needed
ex: a cluster of forensic machines that require physical drives to be plugged into them.
>inb4 use VMs. End users are stupid, and cannot read. They will not read labeled USB ports.
mine wasn't any more expensive than a decent full-sized desktop build, only "premium" thing about it was the case but it's no different to building in nicer shit like the O11D
boards offer less pcie slots and shit, but i never used them anyway
They cute
sometimes less is more
Paying a bit more to get a certain kind of aesthetic
Poorgays have to cope with their huge towers
Why not both?
He needs TRT
What's that case?
I cant even imagine being this much of a homosexual.
Why would you have to imagine that?
to feel empathy
I can see why you would empathize with someone like you.
this
>cuckcage: the case
in terms of practicality ITX is better if you're extremely limited in space, especially if you have multiple PCs.
Novelty, small house/office, cute, challenge
funny how IQfy praise debloat and use linux but are against itx minimalistic builds
Mini-ITX is synonymous with premium and luxurious these days.
IQfy is full of sour grapes poorgays. The reason many posters here are obsessed with minimalism is because they have literal dumpster hardware.
>Mini-ITX is synonymous with premium and luxurious these days.
No it isn't. Nobody even gives a frick but a small subset of a small subset of a small subset of the population lmao
Why does anyone care either way? Its like cruisers vs scooters vs sportbikes vs dual sport. Just do you.
>Why does anyone care either way?
Cuz there always have to be hierarchies even in the most obscure pointless hobbies.
Its kinda dumb. Itx isnt small enough to make much difference anyway unless you build a custom case
>Mini-ITX is synonymous with premium and luxurious these days.
For it to be "premium and luxurious" would imply that it's better than a standard case in some way, which it's not.
Put it in a backpack. Take it to a friend.
You have friends, right?
mini itx builds used to make a lot of sense when people did lan parties. not being cucked with laptop hardware at the lan was a nice luxury.
they weren't popular back when people did lan parties though.
I don't have much legroom where my table is and I would prefer having a small PC on my table to a case next to my legs
I've had friends come to lan parties with towers. Plenty of space in your average taxi.
They're for weebs that equate small with being cute. Propaganda pushed by shitty jap cartoons and men that desire to be women, who watch said children's programming.
reddit
easier thermals because a 120mm fan is like the equivalent of a 180mm fan on a bigger case (less air and space to push) and need 2 fans instead of 4 fans or whatever
most ITX cases it's usually form overr function though, and hopefully the popularity of the NR200 will make ITX mobos be higher volume and cheaper
That's one of worst ITX takes, why the frick put another fans next to GPU fans? Literally tornado and negative air flow profit
the bottom fans are necessary if you're running the tower cooler as rear intake, this guy in the vid
tested both configurations
for rear exhaust with a vented panel, you're right, it doesn't help at all and it's practically a net zero benefit, but rear exhaust isn't always viable in the NR200 (e.g. with hotter GPUs and/or glass panel)
in that pic, slim fans would be better but that looks like enough clearance to help direct case airflow
The only way this is good is if you remove the GPU shroud and fans and get fans thick enough to go from the bottom of the case to the GPU heatsink or if you use foam to make a tunnel to the heatrsink from the fans so there's no gap.
Literally no reason except for aesthetics. For practical purposes, you'd be moronic not to build a full ATX, it's better in every way and cheaper to boot.
there are still many shitty ATX cases have even worse thermals like the Fractal Define. Rather than focusing on the form factor, you should be looking at the whole package. so many ATX cases dont even have a vented side panel for the GPU to exhaust out directly, instead it's a solid panel so the CPU cooler intakes a lot of sloppy seconds from it
an ITX case like pic related can run hot GPUs like the 3080 very well
>so many ATX cases dont even have a vented side panel for the GPU to exhaust out directly
That's not the fault of the case, it's your fault for not choosing a blower-type GPU cooler that blows air out of the adjacent slot, rather than the fan types which are far from optimal.
>blower-type GPU
lmao come on dude, there's a reason no one builds that anymore
you're basically compromising GPU thermals in favor of CPU temps
just get a fricking vented side panel and the GPU can exhaust most of the hot air out efficiently
do you really need a gay glass panel? the novelty wears out quick
Post guts.
Because I like a minimal room and being able to fit everything thing I own into the back of my Fiesta.
Small and simple itx builds with APUs are extremely based.
Big, complicated sometimes even water cooled itx builds with high end gpus being chocked to death by non existent cooling are reddit tier cancer.
>high end gpus being chocked to death
Wouldn't it have ok thermals anyways if it's right up on the side mesh panel like it's an open frame?
I kinda want to try something like pic related on my next upgrade like a few years later, but having to use a riser cable kinda bugs me for some reason, like another hassle to upgrade and source (like exact length) when it's pcie gen 6 again for no reason other than to obsolete older CPUs
a 3070 still runs with no bottleneck on a pcie 3 riser and pcie 5 is out
you never need the latest pcie generation
>you never need the latest pcie generation
you really think more GPUs won't be 8x lanes or even 4x lanes precisely because it didn't even saturate 16x lanes in the first place?
it's going to happen so you can't use your CPU for 5+ years like how an R5 1600x has almost no bottleneck at 4K gaming
Literally every number on that chart is fantastic.
the 6600xt literally performs worse than a 5600xt in this case
the fact that doom eternal will run very well even on a potato is besides the point but very much appreciated for sure
To me it seems like everything does the job and b***hing is silly
yeah i guess if you're just going to stay in 1080p forever then anything's fine
Seems like it. The only bump that matters is 1440p anyway and even then the difference is noticeable (somewhat) but negligible.
more DPI is always appreciated, I'd play on a 27" 4K 144hz screen right now if it was reasonably priced + GPUs were cheap when I upgraded
that said my monitor is a 1080p 240hz just so my rig will last 5 years without me noticing anything, as in the games i'll play will be buttery smooth at 240fps but will end up 120fps by the time my PC becomes e-waste (strobe modes on monitors will display with less crosstalk / more clarity with the refresh headroom so 240hz is not useless either at lower fps)
To each their own i suppose. After 1440p i Cant tell a difference in anything other than component cost and ill gladly run 1080p forever
Maybe im just older. The bump from 480p/standard resolution was amazing but the jump from 1080p to higher doesn't wow me the same. Ill take huge framerate over dpi any day.
If i was using VR if probably feel different though
Believe it or not there are people out there that actually use their computer for things besides playing video games.
What a moronic reply.
Most of IQfy is poor and have to live in their mom's broom cupboard or something. Their moms also hiss and spit about them burning power 24/7.
In this context, miniITX makes sense. From a IQfyentooman's perspective, it sure as frick beats getting a job and moving out.
miniITX builds are more expensive, this makes no sense.
because they fit in the tube you boob
Ive been thinking of going full mini pc. Are the steam Deeck boards available yet?
no but the fixit store implies it will be at some point
Id like to make a nice mini ps from deeck parts. That sounds fun
I have a very small 1 room apartment and wanted to build a server for homelab frickery and file storage. Since I don't want a noisy box where i sleep I had to find some room in my 1m2 hallway. ITX was the only option and I'm very happy with it.
I also think aesthetics can be a reason. A sleek ITX case looks better on the table than an RGB eyecancer Discoball. Obviously everything else is a strict downgrade.
Tempted to try mitx with my 5950x and 3090.
But I doubt that two 240mm radiators can handle both.
>tfw went mini-STX and have nowhere to plug in my GPU
I just think they look neat
What's the point of a fanless cpu when the gpu still has fans on?
gpu fans don´t spin until 60c so most of the time the pc is silent, but if you want to game you won´t have dogshit perf
Simply not true. My evga rtx 2060 runs with the fans on no matter the workload
smol pc
i want one
After I got a separate NAS I realized I didn't need all that space. So now I can have a case that takes so little space I don't mind putting it on my desk.
full towers are the suvs/ big trucks of the pc case world
by which I mean they are completely underused by 95% of their buyers which makes them look ridiculous because it's like wearing winter clothes the whole year just because it's going to snow for half a month
Portability. You can take a somewhat proper desktop and bring it with you in your backpack. So it is ideal as a workstation. You can easily move it between office and home office, back to your parents or whatever when visiting.
Wait till I tell you about this new radical invention called a Laptop.
I just built in an NR200 but I completely underestimated how "portable" an 18L case would be, can't really hold anything else since I have to hold the case horizontally just in case of sag on the tower cooler or GPU
Still very easy to bring it around different houses (brought it to my friend's to play on his 4K 120hz TV) but definitely need a <13L case for actual portability.
Not about the weight but about the volume, if it was a smaller case you could just backpack it and carry a monitor with your hands
>GPU almost as big as the case
SOVL
My PCs have handles, so by definition theyre portable. Depends on your deadlift PR, I guess.
Its only a tower if its upright.
>what's the point of small for factor
people buy it when they want their stuff to be bigger. what did you think?
99% of the people with ITX builds don't actually need or use the reduced size. A regular ATX mid-tower would fit just fine under their desk and they rarely if ever transport the machine.
my huge heavy ATX case was the reason i was so lazy and didnt bother bringing out to the backyard to dust out
so now i have a microdick case
I'm also too lazy to dust out my case, so I just... don't. It only gets dusted maybe once every 18 months or so when I have to open it up for some other reason. It's fine, and doesn't overheat or anything. You just cooked up an excuse to consoom a fashionable product.
18 months is good. I literally didnt bother to dust it out until it was ewaste. Just cleaned it when i upgraded since i was handing it down to my dad
99% of the people with ITX builds don't do anything where the additional power of a desktop would help, they would unironically better served by a laptop.
Personally id love a mini pc with one of those new laptop rdna2 apus
19´´ rack or nothing. Im tired of routing cables and cramming.
made sense when i lived in a smaller space and needed to transport my PC regularly. cable management is a b***h in 99% of ITX cases though.
I agree, mini-ITX isn't small enough.
I use my desk for many things besides just my computer, so I need it to be covered by as little computer tower as possible. Since your options for computer cases are generally: 1) big 2) fricking big, or 3) XBox Huge, a mini-ITX case is literally the only option available (besides complete custom jobs) that gets me "performance" computer parts and a small footprint on the desktop.
You can apply this logic to anything. What makes things interesting are the choices and differences. Same in cars, houses, ect. Bigger isn't always better. People like you are the reason why Walmart is everyone. It's the cheapest so it's the best. Okay buddy.
I have the SG13 (even built one for a friend) that and the NR200 seem to be the most "practical" cases.
Unlike pic related I'm using an SFX PSU and just the standard wraith stealth cooler that came with my 2600 and later my 5600X when I upgraded.
Also fits a 3060 Ti which is a decent upgrade from my 1060 that I had in there for a while.
Biggest thing I like about Mini-ITX builds are that they are fun to build in, and they keep be from buying stupid hardware.
just use a raspbeerry pi
wtf is this
the 90s
IQfy 'winshit' 'crts'
gtfo
Can't play Stellaris on a Pi, I could just Steam Remote play but then I have more shit than I need for no real reason.
i play stellaris np on a 6300 with a rx480
That's not a Pi, but yeah I know my PC is higher end but it works for all my needs.
Even connected to my ultrawide for CAD shit for work
yeah, for CAD you want a decent machine otherwise you´re wasting time struggling. Especially multi part stuff/assemblies.
SG13 is a fricking hotbox. I returned mine and just went for the braindead NR200 instead
I want a horizontal NR200 shoebox case so much
cant you just put feet on the side and flip it?
my NR200 cools my GPU better than almost any case on the market. Besides that, I routinely bring it downstairs to plug into the TV so making it more portable is pretty cool. CPU is using an AIO so I have essentially the best performing case but in a convenient compact size.
My mini ITX runs opnsense. Has for 10 years. Fanless Atom. Does its job well.
they are nice for living room builds
I will NOT use micro ITX
I will NOT use gaming RGB coolers
I WILL use EATX motherboards
I WILL use full tower case
I WILL populate all SATA ports and PCIe slots
And I WILL be happy
havent found a good use for eatx yet but its nice to fit an atx board and still be able to have a drivecage or something without interfering.
thats sensible, they fit in better with stereo equipment.
Still trying to find the biggest frick you case.
If it isn't an inconvenience on my life it ain't big enough
full tower at the battlestation
mini itx next to the tv
So you can have a full fledged PC in your living room and not look like a virgin. It fits better inside furniture and lets you use those fancy new 4K/120 TVs that are coming out, and has a portability feature for stepping out of town.
You're paying for small space, you moronic c**t.
Just like you're paying more for very low space usage with a high end laptop
The space savings are insignificant, especially considering that a desktop PC is not intended to be portable.
If you care about portability, just get a laptop.
>want desktop power
>also want portability
>just get a laptop
That's not how that works
What do you need desktop powet for?
irrelevant. Bottom line is if you want more than a laptop can provide you build a desktop. If you want that and you want to be able to take the desktop places, you build a small desktop.
There is nothing at all that a mini-ITX machine can do that a large laptop couldn't do better.
>full-size GPU and proper CPU blocks your path
You know there is such a thing as a desktop replacement, right? You can buy a laptop with desktop parts in it. It's essentially just a desktop with keyboard, mouse and trackpad and a built-in UPS.
>You know there is such a thing as a desktop replacement, right?
Of course, and it's an even shittier compromise than a small desktop
>You are literally paying more for smaller.
I fixed it for you, you dumb fricking c**t.
I have to move and travel with my computer and laptops are useless for big stuff, the itx will look weird but at least it isn't a full ATX.
Fricking nvidia and amd should release 3070 ti and 6750xt in small form factors with the new 5 nm tech...frickers
>What's the point of Mini ITX builds?
They are great for builds like routers or other "appliance" type PCs, or compact workstations. I would not do an ITX gaming PC because heat issues and most quality components that make a solid gaming PC take up a lot more space than you can reasonably stuff into an ITX box. Micro ATX is the smallest I'd go for a gaming system.