When and why did 'conservatives' in the US begin to valorise Martin Luther King? They used to openly hate him for being a race-baiting subversive agent of chaos and violence. How did his reputation improve so much on the American right?
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conservatives != neocons
MLK was always a conservative Republican
That's the kind of revisionism I'm talking about. Nobody on the American right in the 1960's was trying to 'claim' MLK as one of their own. He was reviled as a commie agitator by most of them. But that changed at some point. Why?
republicans were always the party of the black man. but you had a wing of republicans from the wilson block that were sympathetic to the south. as they were southern republicans. those types didn't really like blacks that much. not to the same degree as southern democrats, but more than northern republicans.
Because it would be political suicide to criticize him. Why, you ask? Because American culture is centered around Black folk. They have holidays for Black folk. They killed hundreds of thousands of white men to free Black folk. They listen to Black person music. They elect a Black person as their president. They dress and act like Black folk. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from Black folk. They post sassy gifs about Black folk. They watch sportsball in worship of Black folk. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of Black folk playing sports. They use Black person slang like "bruh" and "thot". When you say "Martin Luther" they're not thinking of the father of protestantism. They're thinking of the Black person. Their cities are completely overrun with Black folk. They worship their ZOGbot police force disproportionately filled with Black folk and their global police force of soldiers filled with Black folk. Their men sit around watching Black person ball while their women sit around watching Black person talk shows. They worship Black folk like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson and the late Eddie Murphy while attacking the whites who actually built their country before Black folk took over. Their movies are filled with Black folk and their music charts are topped by Black folk. They send Black folk to the Olympics and celebrate when the Black folk win because those Black folk are true red blooded american Black folk. They watch Black person porn to a point where "BBC" does not make them think of an international media company but about Black person penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate Black folk and how the mutt's law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love Black folk but the evidence speaks for itself in that America has always been and will be a nation of Black person loving Black folk
>"I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party. They both have weaknesses ... And I'm not inextricably bound to either party."
It's funny because George Wallace (who as the figurehead of Segregation could be considered King's political arch nemesis) said almost the exact same thing.
>"There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties."
MLK was an enlightened centrist?
King's assassination essentially martyrized him, making it political untenable for Republicans and Dixiecrats to expound significant criticism of him, especially in the face of his advocacy of non-violence.
Call me a whack job if you must, but personally, I've always entertained the notion that MLK's murder was engineered by fellow Civil Rights activists who wanted to:
A: Bury any reports of King's lecherous behind-the-scenes behavior before they ruined his reputation (and therefore the reputation of the movement).
B. Create a martyr they could use to bash political opponents with.
That was part of it, but conservatives in states like Arizona were blocking the introduction of MLK day until the mid-1980's. So his death didn't immediately have the effect of causing conservatives to worship him. It took a while.
MLK did go into some communist meetings but he was never a radical like Malcolm X or the Panthers, hence he was always trying to distance himself from them.
In fact MLK enjoyed in his life time quite positive support from both northern and some southern whites. So it was easy to make a martyr out of him.
I think theres little doubt nowadays that LBJ had MLK assasinated for speaking against Vietnam, just when the military build up was happening.
>In fact MLK enjoyed in his life time quite positive support from both northern and some southern whites.
Normal, he was a reasonable choice, between communists and hard-right madmen. I'd take the moderate-ish preacher too.
Prophets are hated when they're alive but their reputations are whitewashed and worshiped long after they're dead (usually by the same people who would've hated them when they were alive). In 1968 the man most hated by Americans was not Ho Chi Minh or LBJ, the most hated man in the country was MLK. He also made a lot of enemies when he became more involved in class and labor issues; liberals supported him when he went after racist southern sheriffs and legal segregation but when he went north to attack the class system and economic inequality (which he considered to be the root of racism) the libs quickly turned against him. He always believed it would be far easier to eliminate segregation than to eliminate slums and he was absolutely correct.
Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would've tried to kill them for being subversives. Same with MLK, the conservatives of the '60s used the same exact arguments against him as the conservatives of today use against BLM.
>Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would've tried to kill them for being subversives. Same with MLK, the conservatives of the '60s used the same exact arguments against him as the conservatives of today use against BLM.
Red Hot Take: Neo-Nazis in the future will praise BLM and Antifa (long after they've finished murdering all Blacks, israelites, and White Liberals in a genocidal race war of course) for ACCELERATING the race war with their rioting and looting.
It's already happening with the Taliban, go on any thread on /misc/ talking about Afghanistan and you'll see them singing the praises of the brave Mujahideen for defeating the ZOG oppressors when not two years ago they were praising Brenton Tarrant for murdering 50 worshippers in a Mosque.
>Red Hot Take: Neo-Nazis in the future will praise BLM and Antifa (long after they've finished murdering all Blacks, israelites, and White Liberals in a genocidal race war of course)
Then we wake up
Idk man. Where’s the punchline?
Read the latter half.
Modern Neo-Nazis are basically political prostitutes who will latch onto anything that they see as an attack on the "israeli" status quo. No matter how contradictory or hypocritical it seems compared to earlier positions.
Case in point, 2019 vs 2021
One could say the same thing about modern socialists. Look at how they praise Iran for resisting American influence when Iran couldn’t be more contradictory to socialist ideals.
I think you're a legitimate moron if you think that /misc/'s reaction to the Tarrant shootings has much of a relationship to their opinions of the war in Afghanistan
/misc/ is only loving the taliban right now because the taliban have been posting their memes on twitter lol. that's honestly it. they like watching the taliban shit on trannies on twitter.
its similar to leftypol.org praising the taliban for shitting on capitalism by pushing out america and revenge for america helping the taliban defeat the soviets in the 80's.
Can't blame them, it's pretty funny. Like the olden days when ISIS was on Twitter.
There is a reason a lot of people call conservatives speed limit progressives, the window keeps shifting, they keep making concessions. Probably why some people are shifting towards more reactionary stuff.
I assume that around the 90s it started being born, but it only reached full force around the years when the old school NuCulture wars were more popular, 2014-2018 (Holy shit that was a while ago), anti woke cons and shit always towed a more libertarian line, and distanced themselves from the other part of the NuRight when it crashed and burned after Charlottesville. Even before, they all positioned themselves as egalitarian "true" liberals, with extra no privileges, no equality of outcome, etc. MLK is not only a semi-sacred symbol of equality but it's also taboo to attack him, he basically represents civil rights, and because being racist is increasingly political suicide you really can't do much about it. MLK fitted the bill, and he was respectable, so they went behind him, also, most establishment republikangs just simp for corporations and only backed trump because politics demanded it. You're probably talking about charlie kirk "conservative types", that bring up based gay black men on stage.
It's concerning that I know all of this I am not even american.
By a lot of people, I mean a lot of people on some niches, of course.
This supposed discrepancy you think you've found doesn't really exist. Even Tarrant himself said that he was an anti-imperialist and had absolutely nothing against Muslims *who reside within Muslim countries.* You've left out that important distinction.
A few of those he killed left Iraq because America invaded it.
I understand that he wants them to stay where they are even when they're getting invaded but you should understand why the average person will laugh at this justification
I get the feeling Tarrant wasn't grilling his victims on their background before he shot them in his rampage
All neo nazis are this careless. They don't even care how many taliban have killed white males in Afghanistan and yet they support them now.
Why would a neo-nazi care about dead white solders that volunteered to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan?
He went to muslim countries. I think he did a fair bit of research. He wanted to kill them because they wouldn't stay in Iraq. He wants muslims to stay in their countries while they're getting bombed. This is in line with his imperialism conqueror ideology.
He indiscriminately slaughtered everyone in those mosques he could, I'm not sure if you're aware of this but NZ's Muslim population isn't just Iraq/Afghan refugees.
>Taliban killed foreign invaders
>Tarrant also killed foreign invaders
That's it, basically. The left seems to have this misconception that right wingers want to genocide all brown people and create a white supremacist global state like Hollywood Hitler, but really it's mostly about keeping your country and culture from becoming globalized beyond recognition.
>Jesus said something about how the Pharisees praise the prophets of old but if they were alive at the time they definitely would've tried to kill them
Even as an Atheist, I'm always astounded by Jesus's foresight. The poor bastard just knew that same archetype of people who crucified him would be appropriating his name and legacy for all sorts of nefarious shit.
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MLK - like Kennedy and Malcom X - was lucky to get shot when he did; his "People's Campaign" was floundering and the FBI already had mounds of evidence that he was a whoring, boozing womanizer.
If he wasn't shot he would've ended up one of those Jesse Jackson types shaking down Fortune 500s over not doing enough for "the brothers"
The "American Right" is just rebranded 70s liberalism. There's this antifa gaslight going around that because democrats take donor money(from organizations/people who are openly globohomo), the overton window is to the right... in a culture where homosexuals openly groom children and get police protection for it.
Bingo. In 20 years from now the republican party will be pushing for the civil rights law protection for parents who groom their children. Meaning the republicans would push to have hate crime charges pressed against you for harassing parents who inject hormones into their children. in 20 years from now the LGBT flag will be on the RNC HQ flag post.
Republicans have always been the democrats of 20 years a go. In 1897 people were saying that the republicans are just democrats that lag behind the rest of the group.
When he was dead and he could not correct him and when the battle for legal segregation was lost. Revisionism to save face.
Conservatives do this ALL the time. They oppose something, and 50 years later rehabilitate/sanitize it and pretend to have supported it all the time.
leftypol.org are tryhard morons, who the frick cares what they think?
It's simple, he was martyred.
What constitutes "right" has changed, obviously, dumbass.
When the Klan actually were burning crosses and black people actually were victims, they had a very different approach, t hey were preaching about morals, they were putting across the image they were upstanding citizens just like white folks but had been put down just because of the color of their skin. Looting and violence sprung up but the intelligentsia knew encouraging it had more drawbacks than benefits.
Now they don't have to and the facade has basically dropped. Also most boomers are not really right wing, they were hippies in the 60s and 70s. They wish for the old days, the message they were spun in their youth. Judge us by the content of our characters not the color of our skin. High minded ideals, and what a wonderful place the world would be if it were true. Of course it is a pipe dream, most black people will always believe in preferential treatment for themselves.