When will post-scarcity be achieved?

When will post-scarcity be achieved?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that can never be achieved for mere mortals.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So when will anti-aging be achieved?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        again, not gonna happen for mere mortals.
        do you have any solid scientific work to back that up? thinking rich people are incentivized to help poor people have as much as they have? or even closer to reality, that they won't do anything in their power to stop as many as possible from getting close to how much they have?
        if more becomes available it's theirs, by default. it doesn't go to you. no matter how much more becomes available.
        you should have some science on this anon, apart from stupid childish ideas

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Too bad robots are private property and you won't see a sheckel from their owners.

          >post-scarcity is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because this 21st century economic system isn't equipped to handle it
          okay i guess we just give up and commit species suicide then

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think the general idea is that you shut the frick up and work as much as you can and then just die, best deal you're going to get.
            I was just saying "post-scarcity" is fantasy and not realistic. it's like any other mythology and fantasy story. feels nice to think about it, not realistic and never going to happen because it's not based on reality and human nature. it's designed to give you a goal so you can happily work for "something". but can't be real.
            people won't just give up what they have. do you think you'll be able to like shame them into giving you what they have?
            reminder that people holding power are the kind of people that would rather die and take everyone else with them then them giving their shit and power away.
            that is why they have money and power and you don't, actually. because they are really willing to go to that length. and you aren't. that's what says that will never happen.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people won't just give up what they have
            Taxes stand in your way my dear moron.
            The west folded everything it had because some israelites in banking. You don't understand nature at all.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're advocating post-scarcity fantasy is in human nature? you must be a drooling moron

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How likely are Replicators in our lifetime?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Physically impossible.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When will post-scarcity be achieved?

    ONLY way to get there is with robots.. LOTS of robots!

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      work what when robots do everything that is needed? fictional jobs?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are the robots in the room with us? Are you a robot?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          work what when robots do everything that is needed? fictional jobs?

          >when
          are you slow, anon?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its nobody's fault except your own that you're a lazy entitled worthless layabout

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you israeli?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not my problem, squat somewhere else.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad robots are private property and you won't see a sheckel from their owners.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you high? The food industry is driven by waste. Look in the dumpster at any restaurant or grocery store. Ask the manager why its full of food. Ask him why the food is being sent to a landfill instead of being donated to the hungry, or sold for livestock feed, or used to grow mushrooms, or being made into compost. It's going to be store policy, not some made up law, that explains why perfectly good food is being wasted in every sense of the word when it's clearly more profitable to minimize that waste.

          I think the general idea is that you shut the frick up and work as much as you can and then just die, best deal you're going to get.
          I was just saying "post-scarcity" is fantasy and not realistic. it's like any other mythology and fantasy story. feels nice to think about it, not realistic and never going to happen because it's not based on reality and human nature. it's designed to give you a goal so you can happily work for "something". but can't be real.
          people won't just give up what they have. do you think you'll be able to like shame them into giving you what they have?
          reminder that people holding power are the kind of people that would rather die and take everyone else with them then them giving their shit and power away.
          that is why they have money and power and you don't, actually. because they are really willing to go to that length. and you aren't. that's what says that will never happen.

          you're advocating post-scarcity fantasy is in human nature? you must be a drooling moron

          I don't think you get it. There would be no problem with making enough of everything for everyone technologically speaking. The society is just fricked up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That society will provide necessary to have a life, wroth meaning, possibble, but everything is much beyond that and society can't provide anything to anybody and everybody.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there is no upper bound. whatever energy source we humans get it will only make for new trillionaires, while regular people will get nothing. or nothing that would empower them in any way, because that's what it's all about.
            there is also no precedent for such a thing. expecting it to happen considering human nature, all human history and present setup is ludicrous. reminder that you only got to this place because you are being farmed. it just so happens that having as much as plebs have today means they are more productive over their lifespan, both as quantity and quality. that's it. it's farming 1:1. that will never change anon. once your work is not needed you are not needed, that's they only way it goes, always has been, always will be.
            because human nature and this environment, they say post-scarcity is no realistic. it's just a carrot, it's the commie's heaven.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We have a totally different problem. Some people can't obtain enough money to buy what they need, because there is already too much of everything.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    two weeks

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >has values from Hollywood movies
    >has expectations from Hollywood movies
    which also ties into this

    [...]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bro that quote is just the first result when you google post-scarcity

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tomorrow

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We might be heading towards a system where just about everyone has a 3D printer at home and they can just print whatever they need instead of going to the shop. Printing food is probably a while away though. And obviously people will still need to buy the 3D printing powder stuff. So it's not really a replicator, but it's kind of similar in a way, so long as the printing powder doesn't become scarce

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True, we are close to future when food will grow in the printer.
      As opposed to the current system, where it grows in the shop.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At the end of the century,we'll be lucky if we're still at the technological level of biplanes and electomechanical calculators.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        this.

        we need a self sustaining mars colony before we lose the ability to build rockets lol.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      imagine the cleaning

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        imagine the smell

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    we are already post scarcity.
    During the corona virus, only a few people had to work, everyone else had fun

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In terms of material wealth we're actually doing pretty well. Obviously post-scarcity as a concept is impossible for most definitions but we are getting to the point where people have to start manufacturing artificial scarcity to maintain any semblance of wealth mattering. You see this already in what was once considered fundamentally scarce commodities like food and clothing; fashion and social signalling are the more important aspects now that price and availability have become afterthoughts.

      Splendid! Seems like we are ready to ditch oil and coal entirely and start relying on renewables 100%!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sorry bois you still have to be lacking shit so carriers go brrr
        if humanity gets the tech for zero point free energy bullshit (hypothetically) it will be deemed illegal just like they do with AI now. only loicensed goberments are allowed, you still pay taxes because must build 10000 deathstars before china and russia.
        actually your taxes would increase.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hey that's another example of me being right! We can swap to more fashionable energy sources since we're already post-scarcity in energy;
        >one kWh from organically produced cruelty-free hypoallergenic family-owned renewables is NOT the same as that low-class coal stuff the Chinese use OK?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Added ~10T to debt. While the economic was shutdown. Its a double whammy too. Then add to the fact that the schools were shutdown means its a TRIPLE whammy because kids are the future economic engines of the country. Then on top of that, the 8% inflation rate for few years is a quardruple whammy.

      This president is the worst in the last 100 years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Money isn't real bruh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literally made-up "debt" that we owe ourselves.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"debt" that we owe ourselves.
          lmao yeah sure, except the interest on the debt is almost a trillion dollars per year, and that is money taken via taxation and paid to investors (not infrastructure, not public safety, not workers, but just paying money back on bonds and shit).

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In terms of material wealth we're actually doing pretty well. Obviously post-scarcity as a concept is impossible for most definitions but we are getting to the point where people have to start manufacturing artificial scarcity to maintain any semblance of wealth mattering. You see this already in what was once considered fundamentally scarce commodities like food and clothing; fashion and social signalling are the more important aspects now that price and availability have become afterthoughts.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post-scaricty can't exist just like there's enough food for africans but they still starving. it's not about the resources, it's about human nature. seeing it for what it isn't gets you thinking about the wrong things. and doesn't really solve anything.
    the same argument with food for africans can be applied even for muricans, "post-scarcity". they wouldn't know how to deal with it, they'd ape out in an instant. you at most to a gradual shift, in few generations. if there's any will or incentive to. which I don't think is, at top floor.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post scarcity is a meme
    once we achieve higher production, the lower IQtoids will be able to take advantage of the technology and reproduce exponentially like rabbit, making resources scarce again.
    the only way to achieve post scarcity is to limit reproduction of the dumber poplulation.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when you can create something out of nothing
    all economics is based on natural science and atheism which has to be rejected

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speed up robots and AI production.

    Let markets compete and reduce pricing to the n'th degree till everything costs same as raw materials or even less because it maybe more profitable to just give things away as fremium

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not science or technology.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It most certainly is science and technology.
      It's like saying the industrial revolution isn't technology.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We've had the tech for at least a century. The obstacles are social, not technological.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We live in artificial scarcity nowadays.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Not at all, you schiz, who see things, where they aren't.

    Just tell me food is not thrown away to increase the price...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Food is not thrown away to increase the price, i've never seen a businessman that is moronic to the point he throws away the food he bought just to favor the competition to steal his customers.
      The only time they throw away shit is because they protest some bullshit laws or because of sanitary regulations about expired unsold food to not poison people, otherwise they would push prices down to dirt cheap just to recover a part of their losses.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you high? The food industry is driven by waste. Look in the dumpster at any restaurant or grocery store. Ask the manager why its full of food. Ask him why the food is being sent to a landfill instead of being donated to the hungry, or sold for livestock feed, or used to grow mushrooms, or being made into compost. It's going to be store policy, not some made up law, that explains why perfectly good food is being wasted in every sense of the word when it's clearly more profitable to minimize that waste.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >dude look at the dumpsters from my individual point of view where everything seems big and unnecessary
          >feed it to the hungry
          Unless the "hungry" are unironic rats and worms i don't see why they should eat expired food or food that someone didn't eat but touched with their fingers, as well as give it to the industry and contaminate animals and plants.
          I guess it's just hard for you to understand hygiene and sanitation, do you want to end up like north korea recycling everything and ending up with parasite contamination being common in their food?

          >it's not the law
          They unironic require you to put bleach on it before throwing it away, at least in my country, but i am in euroland so idk about americans

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because nobody wants to eat it. That's it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >otherwise they would push prices down to dirt cheap just to recover a part of their losses.
        The $trillions in aid to Israel and Ukraine, funding both major parties, and business policies that produce "woke," money-losing abominations such as we see from Hollywood, disproves your idea that ZOG cares about profits more than anything else.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Investment is traditionally defined as the "commitment of resources to achieve later benefits". If an investment involves money, then it can be defined as a "commitment of money to receive more money later". From a broader viewpoint, an investment can be defined as "to tailor the pattern of expenditure and receipt of resources to optimise the desirable patterns of these flows".

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When will post-scarcity be achieved?
    When there is only one consciousness/ego left in all of existence.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Scarcity is relative, not absolute. For example, materials such as clear glass, steel and salt were much scarcer and therefore much more expensive in Roman times (when they were luxury goods) than today, when even a beggar can have them. It's a reasonable conjecture that things that are expensive luxuries today will be similarly affordable to anyone in the future.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ego > 1 = Conflict
        Conflict = Scarcity

        Thus
        Ego > 1 = Scarcity

        Maybe some mathgay can make it even more simple kek.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We already did but government sandbagged us with taxes and immigration

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You could acheive post-scarcity pretty easily now in a smallish country with lots of natural resources like Australia if you had a benevolent dictactor and a slave cast of around 10-20% of the population, I assumed that's why we are importing so many pajeets?

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pardon? Scarcity is the only thing that is produced proper.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Homo-sapiens will not achieve post scarcity.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    We take care of children, the sick, and the elderly even though they provide no useful labour to the system.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the sick
      Because they get cured and hopefully go back to a productive life.
      >the children
      Because one day they will grow up and produce.
      >the elderly
      Because they produced their whole life and deserve a bit of dignity.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Because they produced their whole life and deserve a bit of dignity.
        mostly because younger folk would look at them and go like "huh...so that's what's waiting for me" which is not as lucrative.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Cult of Passion

          And its costing them 50% off the top. Its a ponzi scheme of money pays for todays retired but it requires a growing youth to match it, people gave up and its costing more than ever, replaced with immigrants.

          Every solution is another problem, by design. The solution is to burn it all down and start over without some arbitrarilly set mathematical end point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Cult of Passion

          Ditto for Healthcare.

          It used to cost cheap, now its so expensive as to be unaffordable to reproduce, its counter reality...corrupted billing and money changing hands for zero purpose but to deplete it.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >When will post-scarcity be achieved?
    Post-scarcity and capitalism are incompatible. Because capitalism implies there's a resource differential that imaginary tokens are being exchanged in order to reduce. That is to say, capitalism is fueled by scarcity. Ergo if scarcity is eliminated, then so too will be capitalism.

    So uh... Post-scarcity will probably never happen. Unless humanity goes extinct and something more intelligent replaces us.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron argument spotted. Capitalism evolves at the commodity level and things get cheaper, not more expensive. Where is the scarcity of pencils my homierdly friend

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what about housing? you'd think humans would have cracked it by now.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          investors became owners of many homes and also the ones in charge of deciding when and where new homes can be built
          capitalism and communism are just big people doing whatever they want, the real benefits have come from advancing technology

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is no shortage of housing either, except in those intermediate flux times. Just a bunch of poor morons born to stupid parents.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying there's a shortage of home ownership because both money and good parents are scarce? Who decides the price of housing anyway? The few people who own homes? Seems like the shortage of homeowners is causing itself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Cult of Compassion

            >Who decides the price of housing anyway?
            Even if there's a society with 100 people and 100 houses and 1.000.000 currency then people regarded as the highest status will get most of it, the lowest status people get none of it and people in-between will compete with beauty, intelligence and skills to divide the rest of it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You've made an irrelevant comment that doesn't even disagree with the other Anon's comment. Namegays never cease to be disappointing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Cult of Succession

            >OMG dude what's the point of talking to people if you don't even disagree with them? Get a clue about the rules of our social club!
            You're a gay zoomer for sure.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's a shortage because houses are bought as an "investment", and left empty.

            >What happens once you make more pencils than people need?
            Why would you do that, if they're the exact same design of pencil? I suppose you might have an increasing number of types of fancy pencils, and other drawing/painting media, such as I have accumulated and yet to use. Or varieties of children's clothing and toys, that have filled up the big stores over the last fifty years.

            >Why would you do that, if they're the exact same design of pencil?
            That's just an example, anything you do ends up the same way, there will be too much of it, and its price drops to zero.

            >Most luxurues today are totally fake
            Even in poor places their rich get iPhones and stuff, median wealth globally is pretty nice right now.

            Most places Ive been to have a decent middle class of sorts, not all but most. Worst was Cairo.

            iPhone is now at the level of better Chinese brands, like Xiaomi.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is no shortage of houses, people buy them up, because they don't know any better option for what to do with their money.

          Scarcity is relative, not absolute. For example, materials such as clear glass, steel and salt were much scarcer and therefore much more expensive in Roman times (when they were luxury goods) than today, when even a beggar can have them. It's a reasonable conjecture that things that are expensive luxuries today will be similarly affordable to anyone in the future.

          Most luxurues today are totally fake, the company won't make more, and charges an eyewatering sum for essentially nothing that special.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Cult of Passion

            >Most luxurues today are totally fake
            Even in poor places their rich get iPhones and stuff, median wealth globally is pretty nice right now.

            Most places Ive been to have a decent middle class of sorts, not all but most. Worst was Cairo.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Cult of Passion

            Meaning for much of the world it is pre-post-scarcity, where all the life needs that the wealthiest have the poorest have.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Cult of Passion

            Other issues arrise, relating to Biology, organisms co-existing, a hybridization (political solution) is required.

            Many ways to do so, each very specific.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That is the problem though. Why do you think we are getting bombarded by ads? You need ads when you are making more than you can sell.

        What happens once you make more pencils than people need?
        Their price drops to zero. What then?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What happens once you make more pencils than people need?
          Why would you do that, if they're the exact same design of pencil? I suppose you might have an increasing number of types of fancy pencils, and other drawing/painting media, such as I have accumulated and yet to use. Or varieties of children's clothing and toys, that have filled up the big stores over the last fifty years.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After AGI and robotic workers.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Cult of Passion

    University is a scam half the time, such a crap shoot, sold worthless pieces of paper because they would be guaranteed to be repaid.

    Extortion at the highest levels of government.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Cult of Passion

    Looking glass.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that is how you frick with Europe actually.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Cult of Passion

        I was pretty disappointed with the general maturity of European politics, felt overall very surface and collegiate. At least the younger generation, but thats going to the the next, so more so prophetic.

        Americans for history, seeing tourists visiting from from America. Always a hoot. God they really are different. You cant see it from the inside.

        Whack, but at least predictable.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Cult of Passion

    The inefficiency of modern argriculture, uninhibited by regulations, laws, lobbiests, etc.

    The only one that could matter is subsidies for meat for total population health, grain or sorts as well.

    Instead they raid raw milk producers with rifles and shit.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Around the year 2058 or so that's when the rate of profit is projected to go to an exact 0

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A few years after WW3.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      world war 3 will solve jack shit for most people. the voids created by such a war will quickly be filled by the same psycho profiles just that with even less rules than today.
      the problem is human nature not that there is this psychotic group of mean people running all this shit and they just won't let it go. doesn't matter who's up there anon. eventually the same psychos end up there and we'll all dance on the same song, once again, as we always fricking did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How can there be problems without people?

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Universal basic income. Grant that and it’ll open up a path. Those who are not motivated by greed will operate as is we’re already in post scarcity society. Others will follow their example in time. How much time? Maybe a generation or two, but this is the only path to that future that I can see

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WW3 is basically US/China/Russia all thinking
    >I kinda want more
    while at the same time
    >they clearly want to take what I have
    so all of them are willing to throw literally everything else in this fight just to get some more/keep some more. you are basically asking for more from an entity which is willing to do that, WW3. whichever of the big ones, doesn't matter really, same game everywhere.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After net population growth hits 0 and stays there for a long time.

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