When will post-scarcity be achieved?
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When will post-scarcity be achieved?
When will post-scarcity be achieved?
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that can never be achieved for mere mortals.
So when will anti-aging be achieved?
again, not gonna happen for mere mortals.
do you have any solid scientific work to back that up? thinking rich people are incentivized to help poor people have as much as they have? or even closer to reality, that they won't do anything in their power to stop as many as possible from getting close to how much they have?
if more becomes available it's theirs, by default. it doesn't go to you. no matter how much more becomes available.
you should have some science on this anon, apart from stupid childish ideas
>post-scarcity is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because this 21st century economic system isn't equipped to handle it
okay i guess we just give up and commit species suicide then
I think the general idea is that you shut the frick up and work as much as you can and then just die, best deal you're going to get.
I was just saying "post-scarcity" is fantasy and not realistic. it's like any other mythology and fantasy story. feels nice to think about it, not realistic and never going to happen because it's not based on reality and human nature. it's designed to give you a goal so you can happily work for "something". but can't be real.
people won't just give up what they have. do you think you'll be able to like shame them into giving you what they have?
reminder that people holding power are the kind of people that would rather die and take everyone else with them then them giving their shit and power away.
that is why they have money and power and you don't, actually. because they are really willing to go to that length. and you aren't. that's what says that will never happen.
>people won't just give up what they have
Taxes stand in your way my dear moron.
The west folded everything it had because some israelites in banking. You don't understand nature at all.
you're advocating post-scarcity fantasy is in human nature? you must be a drooling moron
How likely are Replicators in our lifetime?
Physically impossible.
>When will post-scarcity be achieved?
ONLY way to get there is with robots.. LOTS of robots!
work what when robots do everything that is needed? fictional jobs?
Are the robots in the room with us? Are you a robot?
>when
are you slow, anon?
its nobody's fault except your own that you're a lazy entitled worthless layabout
Are you israeli?
Not my problem, squat somewhere else.
Too bad robots are private property and you won't see a sheckel from their owners.
I don't think you get it. There would be no problem with making enough of everything for everyone technologically speaking. The society is just fricked up.
That society will provide necessary to have a life, wroth meaning, possibble, but everything is much beyond that and society can't provide anything to anybody and everybody.
What do you mean?
there is no upper bound. whatever energy source we humans get it will only make for new trillionaires, while regular people will get nothing. or nothing that would empower them in any way, because that's what it's all about.
there is also no precedent for such a thing. expecting it to happen considering human nature, all human history and present setup is ludicrous. reminder that you only got to this place because you are being farmed. it just so happens that having as much as plebs have today means they are more productive over their lifespan, both as quantity and quality. that's it. it's farming 1:1. that will never change anon. once your work is not needed you are not needed, that's they only way it goes, always has been, always will be.
because human nature and this environment, they say post-scarcity is no realistic. it's just a carrot, it's the commie's heaven.
We have a totally different problem. Some people can't obtain enough money to buy what they need, because there is already too much of everything.
two weeks
>has values from Hollywood movies
>has expectations from Hollywood movies
which also ties into this
Bro that quote is just the first result when you google post-scarcity
Tomorrow
We might be heading towards a system where just about everyone has a 3D printer at home and they can just print whatever they need instead of going to the shop. Printing food is probably a while away though. And obviously people will still need to buy the 3D printing powder stuff. So it's not really a replicator, but it's kind of similar in a way, so long as the printing powder doesn't become scarce
True, we are close to future when food will grow in the printer.
As opposed to the current system, where it grows in the shop.
At the end of the century,we'll be lucky if we're still at the technological level of biplanes and electomechanical calculators.
this.
we need a self sustaining mars colony before we lose the ability to build rockets lol.
imagine the cleaning
imagine the smell
we are already post scarcity.
During the corona virus, only a few people had to work, everyone else had fun
Splendid! Seems like we are ready to ditch oil and coal entirely and start relying on renewables 100%!
>sorry bois you still have to be lacking shit so carriers go brrr
if humanity gets the tech for zero point free energy bullshit (hypothetically) it will be deemed illegal just like they do with AI now. only loicensed goberments are allowed, you still pay taxes because must build 10000 deathstars before china and russia.
actually your taxes would increase.
Hey that's another example of me being right! We can swap to more fashionable energy sources since we're already post-scarcity in energy;
>one kWh from organically produced cruelty-free hypoallergenic family-owned renewables is NOT the same as that low-class coal stuff the Chinese use OK?
Added ~10T to debt. While the economic was shutdown. Its a double whammy too. Then add to the fact that the schools were shutdown means its a TRIPLE whammy because kids are the future economic engines of the country. Then on top of that, the 8% inflation rate for few years is a quardruple whammy.
This president is the worst in the last 100 years.
Money isn't real bruh
Literally made-up "debt" that we owe ourselves.
>"debt" that we owe ourselves.
lmao yeah sure, except the interest on the debt is almost a trillion dollars per year, and that is money taken via taxation and paid to investors (not infrastructure, not public safety, not workers, but just paying money back on bonds and shit).
In terms of material wealth we're actually doing pretty well. Obviously post-scarcity as a concept is impossible for most definitions but we are getting to the point where people have to start manufacturing artificial scarcity to maintain any semblance of wealth mattering. You see this already in what was once considered fundamentally scarce commodities like food and clothing; fashion and social signalling are the more important aspects now that price and availability have become afterthoughts.
post-scaricty can't exist just like there's enough food for africans but they still starving. it's not about the resources, it's about human nature. seeing it for what it isn't gets you thinking about the wrong things. and doesn't really solve anything.
the same argument with food for africans can be applied even for muricans, "post-scarcity". they wouldn't know how to deal with it, they'd ape out in an instant. you at most to a gradual shift, in few generations. if there's any will or incentive to. which I don't think is, at top floor.
post scarcity is a meme
once we achieve higher production, the lower IQtoids will be able to take advantage of the technology and reproduce exponentially like rabbit, making resources scarce again.
the only way to achieve post scarcity is to limit reproduction of the dumber poplulation.
when you can create something out of nothing
all economics is based on natural science and atheism which has to be rejected
Speed up robots and AI production.
Let markets compete and reduce pricing to the n'th degree till everything costs same as raw materials or even less because it maybe more profitable to just give things away as fremium
Not science or technology.
It most certainly is science and technology.
It's like saying the industrial revolution isn't technology.
We've had the tech for at least a century. The obstacles are social, not technological.
We live in artificial scarcity nowadays.
Not at all, you schiz, who see things, where they aren't.
Just tell me food is not thrown away to increase the price...
Food is not thrown away to increase the price, i've never seen a businessman that is moronic to the point he throws away the food he bought just to favor the competition to steal his customers.
The only time they throw away shit is because they protest some bullshit laws or because of sanitary regulations about expired unsold food to not poison people, otherwise they would push prices down to dirt cheap just to recover a part of their losses.
Are you high? The food industry is driven by waste. Look in the dumpster at any restaurant or grocery store. Ask the manager why its full of food. Ask him why the food is being sent to a landfill instead of being donated to the hungry, or sold for livestock feed, or used to grow mushrooms, or being made into compost. It's going to be store policy, not some made up law, that explains why perfectly good food is being wasted in every sense of the word when it's clearly more profitable to minimize that waste.
>dude look at the dumpsters from my individual point of view where everything seems big and unnecessary
>feed it to the hungry
Unless the "hungry" are unironic rats and worms i don't see why they should eat expired food or food that someone didn't eat but touched with their fingers, as well as give it to the industry and contaminate animals and plants.
I guess it's just hard for you to understand hygiene and sanitation, do you want to end up like north korea recycling everything and ending up with parasite contamination being common in their food?
>it's not the law
They unironic require you to put bleach on it before throwing it away, at least in my country, but i am in euroland so idk about americans
Because nobody wants to eat it. That's it.
>otherwise they would push prices down to dirt cheap just to recover a part of their losses.
The $trillions in aid to Israel and Ukraine, funding both major parties, and business policies that produce "woke," money-losing abominations such as we see from Hollywood, disproves your idea that ZOG cares about profits more than anything else.
>Investment is traditionally defined as the "commitment of resources to achieve later benefits". If an investment involves money, then it can be defined as a "commitment of money to receive more money later". From a broader viewpoint, an investment can be defined as "to tailor the pattern of expenditure and receipt of resources to optimise the desirable patterns of these flows".
>When will post-scarcity be achieved?
When there is only one consciousness/ego left in all of existence.
Scarcity is relative, not absolute. For example, materials such as clear glass, steel and salt were much scarcer and therefore much more expensive in Roman times (when they were luxury goods) than today, when even a beggar can have them. It's a reasonable conjecture that things that are expensive luxuries today will be similarly affordable to anyone in the future.
Ego > 1 = Conflict
Conflict = Scarcity
Thus
Ego > 1 = Scarcity
Maybe some mathgay can make it even more simple kek.
We already did but government sandbagged us with taxes and immigration
You could acheive post-scarcity pretty easily now in a smallish country with lots of natural resources like Australia if you had a benevolent dictactor and a slave cast of around 10-20% of the population, I assumed that's why we are importing so many pajeets?
Pardon? Scarcity is the only thing that is produced proper.
Homo-sapiens will not achieve post scarcity.
We take care of children, the sick, and the elderly even though they provide no useful labour to the system.
>the sick
Because they get cured and hopefully go back to a productive life.
>the children
Because one day they will grow up and produce.
>the elderly
Because they produced their whole life and deserve a bit of dignity.
>Because they produced their whole life and deserve a bit of dignity.
mostly because younger folk would look at them and go like "huh...so that's what's waiting for me" which is not as lucrative.
And its costing them 50% off the top. Its a ponzi scheme of money pays for todays retired but it requires a growing youth to match it, people gave up and its costing more than ever, replaced with immigrants.
Every solution is another problem, by design. The solution is to burn it all down and start over without some arbitrarilly set mathematical end point.
Ditto for Healthcare.
It used to cost cheap, now its so expensive as to be unaffordable to reproduce, its counter reality...corrupted billing and money changing hands for zero purpose but to deplete it.
>When will post-scarcity be achieved?
Post-scarcity and capitalism are incompatible. Because capitalism implies there's a resource differential that imaginary tokens are being exchanged in order to reduce. That is to say, capitalism is fueled by scarcity. Ergo if scarcity is eliminated, then so too will be capitalism.
So uh... Post-scarcity will probably never happen. Unless humanity goes extinct and something more intelligent replaces us.
moron argument spotted. Capitalism evolves at the commodity level and things get cheaper, not more expensive. Where is the scarcity of pencils my homierdly friend
what about housing? you'd think humans would have cracked it by now.
investors became owners of many homes and also the ones in charge of deciding when and where new homes can be built
capitalism and communism are just big people doing whatever they want, the real benefits have come from advancing technology
There is no shortage of housing either, except in those intermediate flux times. Just a bunch of poor morons born to stupid parents.
So you're saying there's a shortage of home ownership because both money and good parents are scarce? Who decides the price of housing anyway? The few people who own homes? Seems like the shortage of homeowners is causing itself.
>Who decides the price of housing anyway?
Even if there's a society with 100 people and 100 houses and 1.000.000 currency then people regarded as the highest status will get most of it, the lowest status people get none of it and people in-between will compete with beauty, intelligence and skills to divide the rest of it.
You've made an irrelevant comment that doesn't even disagree with the other Anon's comment. Namegays never cease to be disappointing.
>OMG dude what's the point of talking to people if you don't even disagree with them? Get a clue about the rules of our social club!
You're a gay zoomer for sure.
There's a shortage because houses are bought as an "investment", and left empty.
>Why would you do that, if they're the exact same design of pencil?
That's just an example, anything you do ends up the same way, there will be too much of it, and its price drops to zero.
iPhone is now at the level of better Chinese brands, like Xiaomi.
There is no shortage of houses, people buy them up, because they don't know any better option for what to do with their money.
Most luxurues today are totally fake, the company won't make more, and charges an eyewatering sum for essentially nothing that special.
>Most luxurues today are totally fake
Even in poor places their rich get iPhones and stuff, median wealth globally is pretty nice right now.
Most places Ive been to have a decent middle class of sorts, not all but most. Worst was Cairo.
Meaning for much of the world it is pre-post-scarcity, where all the life needs that the wealthiest have the poorest have.
Other issues arrise, relating to Biology, organisms co-existing, a hybridization (political solution) is required.
Many ways to do so, each very specific.
That is the problem though. Why do you think we are getting bombarded by ads? You need ads when you are making more than you can sell.
What happens once you make more pencils than people need?
Their price drops to zero. What then?
>What happens once you make more pencils than people need?
Why would you do that, if they're the exact same design of pencil? I suppose you might have an increasing number of types of fancy pencils, and other drawing/painting media, such as I have accumulated and yet to use. Or varieties of children's clothing and toys, that have filled up the big stores over the last fifty years.
After AGI and robotic workers.
University is a scam half the time, such a crap shoot, sold worthless pieces of paper because they would be guaranteed to be repaid.
Extortion at the highest levels of government.
Looking glass.
that is how you frick with Europe actually.
I was pretty disappointed with the general maturity of European politics, felt overall very surface and collegiate. At least the younger generation, but thats going to the the next, so more so prophetic.
Americans for history, seeing tourists visiting from from America. Always a hoot. God they really are different. You cant see it from the inside.
Whack, but at least predictable.
The inefficiency of modern argriculture, uninhibited by regulations, laws, lobbiests, etc.
The only one that could matter is subsidies for meat for total population health, grain or sorts as well.
Instead they raid raw milk producers with rifles and shit.
Around the year 2058 or so that's when the rate of profit is projected to go to an exact 0
A few years after WW3.
world war 3 will solve jack shit for most people. the voids created by such a war will quickly be filled by the same psycho profiles just that with even less rules than today.
the problem is human nature not that there is this psychotic group of mean people running all this shit and they just won't let it go. doesn't matter who's up there anon. eventually the same psychos end up there and we'll all dance on the same song, once again, as we always fricking did.
How can there be problems without people?
Universal basic income. Grant that and it’ll open up a path. Those who are not motivated by greed will operate as is we’re already in post scarcity society. Others will follow their example in time. How much time? Maybe a generation or two, but this is the only path to that future that I can see
WW3 is basically US/China/Russia all thinking
>I kinda want more
while at the same time
>they clearly want to take what I have
so all of them are willing to throw literally everything else in this fight just to get some more/keep some more. you are basically asking for more from an entity which is willing to do that, WW3. whichever of the big ones, doesn't matter really, same game everywhere.
After net population growth hits 0 and stays there for a long time.