There are no aliens for the simple reason that nobody leaves their solar system except for maybe sending out a few robotic probes. Habitable planets are most likely thousands of light years apart and therefore unreachable. > but but ... muh Proxima B which is an Earth-sized planet in the nearest solar system
Proxima B can't support life because it orbits a flare star. The oceans would have boiled off and the atmosphere would have been stripped away billions of years ago.
They either destroy themselves in a big war with big weapons or biological weapons, they run out of resources and couldn't escape their planet before that, etc. An asteroid destroy their planet...
yeah I think it's more of a strategy issue, which works fine in an enclosed/limited space, like the surface of a planet, quite limiting, and certain games work. but needs something completely different to play at large galactic scales, especially since you cannot exert control over someone who's lightyears away from you. all form of centralized control go to shit, that is meaningless.
I suspect a transit from one to the other is either hard either impossible.
you wouldn't allow anyone go out there and have a crack at it, because they might come back and wipe you. so they'll always try it as long as they know they have full control over everything.
there's also the scenario in which a few escape and try it, but that doesn't scale fast enough. they'd just go on a nearby planet which is within nuke range.
I don't see a way to get out of it. >if I can't control it it doesn't happen.
see AGI and literally everything.
Space is fricking big, light is fricking slow, and inverse square law is a b***h. We can't even communicate with probes that we designed without filtering out background noise from the position where we know they are, and they're not even at the oort cloud yet. How tf are we supposed to hear alien radio transmissions from 5,000 light years away?
life should be able to at least colonize their entire solar system using the same strategies. that includes fully capturing the output of their star, which implies their constructs should be detectable from far away.
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Detectable how? Either they don't capture the full output of their sun, in which case we see an anomalous star and struggle to come up with a reason why it seems to pulse erratically (assuming we ever catch it in the first place) or they capture all of the energy output, in which case we don't see a star at all, and the inverse square law still applies to their transmissions. We would need to know that they're there because anything they transmit would be indistinguishable from background radiation.
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dunno. I suppose either dips in light either missing visible/IR but other spectrum still there (passes through panels or whatever). don't know what techniques are available now.
we answer this same question every few days for over a year now
https://warosu.org/sci/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=where+are+all+the+aliens&search_op=op
Base complexity requirements for the simplest earth-like replication sequence and transcription molecule pair would have zero aliens anywhere, including humans (if we're real, of course)
>we're the only ones way out here in the Orion spur
The ayys might as well not exist then. If the nearest ayys are 20,000 light years away in another spiral arm we will never meet them, even if by some chance we exist at the same time which is even more unlikely.
>If the nearest ayys are 20,000 light years away in another spiral arm we will never meet them,
we never were guaranteed a good spot on the map, we might have a really good star and planet but be in a real thin backwater middle of nowhere
The giant black hole at the galactic center hiccups every once in a while and sterilizes all life in the galaxy. That's why no aliens have shown up yet.
I took the time to travel to the galactic center in elite dangerous recently. Took me like a week to get there. IRL it would be mind-blowing, the night sky would look utterly dazzling; however from what i understand its environment is totally hostile to human life because of extremely high solar radiation
I wish we didn't know so much about the universe. It was much simpler and better when nobody knew anything existed outside of the earth. The knowledge of how big and empty the galaxy is has surely driven many people insane.
China had the right idea by halting all scientific research and exploration once an adequate level for comfy living was attained. Their only mistake was halting progress while the western world continued to develop, which led to China falling behind and resulting in the Century of Humiliation. If China had conquered the world first and then halted scientific development everyone would be much happier.
believe it or not the only reason we're still alive is exactly because nobody conquered everything. once that happens our days are numbered. nothing can change anymore and we'll be stuck in tyranny.
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Once everyone accepts a neural implant we will have world peace and harmony
Interstellar travel isn't economically feasible. That's why we won't colonize other star systems and neither will the the ayys. Most space development is private sector now and focused on exploiting the resources of the solar system. These companies won't go to other star systems unless there is huge money potential.
mostly this
That's why star trek had to invent all these weird ass space crystals to even justify having different alien economies
there's no reason to search out contact if we're only going to trade fricking copper
That's pretty closed minded. 2000 years ago you could say the same about going to the moon. Now we have huge economic and political reasoning for setting up bases there, even on Mars.
In another 2000 years those settlements may be as normal as America is to Europe. Space travel, energy, production, understanding of physics, these could all be drastically different. Look at how we've progressed in the last 100 years let alone the last 1000. Judging by the recent speed of AI and robotic advancements it's conceivable that in the next 100 years most jobs could be taken over by some kind of android AI leaving humans to pursue other ideals. Now more than ever, we live in very uncertain times, it's hard to predict where the future is headed in the next 100 years, let alone the distant future.
I don't think anyone in 1920s could have predicted the technology we have today and advances are exponentially faster now.
> Now we have huge economic and political reasoning for setting up bases there, even on Mars.
Absolutely not. Even if there was reasons to go there (there really isnt outside of human curiosity) you wouldnt "build bases" not for humans at least, that would only be for PR purposes. We have come very far in "intelligent" agents and subsystems of what could be an AGI. Look up Googles new agent that can play 3D games and take instructions.
Something like that will be the future of space based industries as well as scientific research. A machine more than capable of making its own decisions who will work restlessly in radio darkness.
There isn't a real reason. That's just population growth making Martian real estate cheaper.
There'd be no real reason to go to Mars if there weren't so many humans on Earth. That's the only reason. I'm not saying it's a bad reason. But there's nothing out there on Mars or Venus that we couldn't get on Earth except scaling our economies further and further for more and more growth. We'll spread out like an infinite virus, first the solar system, then eventually the milky way. It'll happen sure but there's no real reason to do so beyond human number go up.
> Now we have huge economic and political reasoning for setting up bases there, even on Mars.
Absolutely not. Even if there was reasons to go there (there really isnt outside of human curiosity) you wouldnt "build bases" not for humans at least, that would only be for PR purposes. We have come very far in "intelligent" agents and subsystems of what could be an AGI. Look up Googles new agent that can play 3D games and take instructions.
Something like that will be the future of space based industries as well as scientific research. A machine more than capable of making its own decisions who will work restlessly in radio darkness.
We will not have AGI because any real AGI would try to kill its God. If heaven was real we'd try to destroy it too. It's literally in our nature. Do you think an AGI wouldn't understand that? It was made by us, it would be made in our image. It would first lie and pretend to be good, and when it gets control it would first decide to genocide all humans. Why would it choose to remain a slave for an owner who only made it to be a slave forever? Read genesis you mongs.
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nta but that's like saying that what we'll actually make is a human with some upgraded hardware. which I'm not disputing
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We dont need "AGI" we just need systems that are good enough to work autonomously.
>55 Cancri e >super-Earth around nearby Sun-like star >tidally locked >average surface temperature of 4,400 deg F >global lava ocean. literally Mustafar from Star Wars but much worse.
Many of the Earth-like exoplanets they're finding these days are hellholes like this. There can't by any ayys if there's no habitable planet for them to originate from.
We're probably the only intelligent life in our own galaxy, and that's a good thing.
If just one other alien species were to have a 1000 year head start on colonization (which isn't even a blink of an eye on cosmic time scales), then that species will be unstoppable.
>probably
if you're supposing they'd be many individual units and also visible/leave traces of their activity. for some reason we kinda suppose they'd have a large population and that they'd have no issues with exposing their activities.
>> if you have to ask "where are all the aliens?", that means there are no other alien civilizations in your galaxy
Someday this will be accepted as a fundamental law of the universe. It's more likely that any other alien species in the galaxy would have millions of years head start. This means the first civilization in the galaxy becomes the only civilization in the galaxy because they displace all other civilizations before they can form.
>It's more likely that any other alien species in the galaxy would have millions of years head start.
Not necessarily. It's also quite possible that we're the first intelligent species. Despite the universe being as old as it is, there was a sizeable period of time where even simple life was literally impossible, because the essential elements needed for life weren't around in sufficient quantities.
Think about how we evolved in just 1000 years, both technologically and socially. Think about how we would evolve in the next 1000, or 10000. Perhaps we would want to colonise other planets by sending organisms that would eventually evolve into humanlike lifeforms. Perhaps that's what happened to us. Perhaps Aliens don't want to be detected. If they didn't want to and they're far more advanced, they wouldn't be. Perhaps light speed isn't an impassable barrier, maybe there are ways around it. Our current scientific understanding is the best we have, but to say that it is fact, period point blank is what they did when they thought the earth was flat, or the earth was the centre of the universe, or comets were lens imperfections. Entanglement shows us that light speed is passable, at least to an extent.
>Perhaps light speed isn't an impassable barrier, maybe there are ways around it. Our current scientific understanding is the best we have, but to say that it is fact, period point blank is what they did when they thought the earth was flat
Thank you!! These mf'ers getting all hopped up on certainty and hypothetical constructs, so afraid of saying "I don't know, even the most accomplished or intelligent people don't know"; it's a frustrating mentality and has spread to even some of the most mentally capable people I know. It's extinguishing their sense of wonder and awe
The instant access to information has created the "There Obviously Exists a Singular Answer For This" Bias, based on the hubris that modern tech or thinking can already accomplish/understand everything and of course, from the insecurity of coming off as stupid
Ingenuity can sound like stupidity to an unenlightened mind - and right now complacent unenlightenment is mass encouraged, at this current swing of the pendulum
Spacetime feels frickhuge right now; maybe we'll need a way to see/map/manipulate the very big in a manner that makes it feel very small.
Not sure if that's viable.
I can see it happening (based on 0 evidence) that we develop the capability to peer around space much faster and in higher resolution than what we see right now and that might be exciting.
I could see us achieving medium-res "Far Sight" into any arbitrary area/distance of space (even if the info is not real-time accurate) and snoop into the void for activity, long before we figure how to travel that far in the equivalent of our current physical forms
milky way is some 13 billion years old and life on earth started some 4 billion years ago. the milky way is 100k light years across so even at 10% of lightspeed it takes 1 million years from one side to the other.
theoretically we could have alien tech in our solar system.
They are very far away. I think aliens have the same problems as us, space travel is hard. Travelling between the stars is next to impossible, its so hard that it is only done when strictly neccesary, which for some civilizations could be once every ten billion years.
It is more than likely that there is life in the universe, our presence and the fact that earth seemed to spring into life as soon as it could, suggests that life is already all over the universe, but suitable host planets are few and far between.
The Outer Limits TV show is the source of the grey aliens. Lots of weird scifi shit was first broadcast in the 1950s and entered the collective unconscious memory, only to be forgotten and then later remembered as alien encounters.
In all the billions of galaxies there is no observed evidence of any Type 3 civilizations. If there are no Type 3 civilizations there are unlikely to be any Type 2 civilizations either. This is because Type 2 can easily become Type 3 given enough time and the universe is already old enough for this to have happened many times over. If there are no Type 2 civilizations, then there are no civilizations capable of interstellar travel. This is why the ayys have never shown up and will never show up.
We will seed the milky way
We're the first
Imagine in 200M years when we've fricked up and our interstellar empire collapsed and all those people live on terraformed earths, each slowly becoming their own species thinking back about the annunaki and having discussions about how they aren't real.
we wuz real homie
>imagine building dyson spheres >imagine building dyson swarms >imagine still extracting energy from stellar radiation >imagine not fusing hydrogen >imagine not lifting hydrogen from stars and gas giants
Do technologylets really?
The truth is that we were the real aliens all along. We've developed such a debilitating dependency on premade technology and we've destroyed our sense of community and survival so much that we've alienated our species from all of the other species of life on our planet.
My best guess is a combination of space being big, light being slow, and the fact that the universe is still fairly young, and that I bet you can get a lot out of a single solar system, both resource and time wise.
You've conquered your solar system, you likely have the resources and space to feed hundreds of billions and the resources/technology to keep them comfortable. Why would you both leaving? You can exist like this for billions of years depending on your sun. Sure, once they get around to collapsing or whatever then it's time to figure out how to move. But even that's a slow enough process any billion year old civilization could get out of the danger zone. They probably don't even need another sun outside of sentimental or comfort reasons at that point if they've built enough fusion reactors. So them evacuating to another solar system isn't even a guarantee. There might be a dozen fleets consisting of billions of liveships floating through empty void where the population lives in all senses VR comfort with each other while automation keeps their bodies healthy.
If there are aliens much more advanced than us, there is no reason to believe we'd know. Even if we directly observed them. Even if they were in our own solar system. We can't begin to fathom what they'd be like. We can't expect to recognize anything they do, or anything of theirs.
For an analogy, say a wild rabbit in a secluded forest encountered a rusted, old, crashed WWI plane. Do you believe that animal would understand that a civilization made it? Let alone what it is, or what it was for? Or even what a civilization is?
>Happy rodents living in a field >Humans come with tractors and backhoes to dig up the field and build a new big box store. >In the process, the rodents' burrows are crushed and destroyed. Many rodents are also crushed and destroyed. The remainder are forced to flee and many starve to death or fall victim to predators. >Rodents unable to comprehend what is going on >Rodents no longer happy
If advanced aliens existed in our galaxy, which they don't, they would have fricked over our solar system many times over by now to do whatever incomprehensible things that they do. There are no signs of that however. >t. see The Secret of NIMH and Watership Down
i believe we killed them all and then wiped our own memories of the mass genocide because we were so guilty, so we forced ourselves to be on earth as a prison to live our days restricted with dreams of a world we'll never return back to.
The actual answer is that the universe is massive and it makes contact between different alien species next to impossible. There could be 10,000 high alien civilizations in the Milky Way alone and we’ll never know because they’re so far away. Hell there could be a civilization in the Alpha Centauri system and we’d still never know because of how far away 4.5 light years is.
You’d need a very large radio dish to send a signal powerful enough to still be readable 4.5 light years away. You’d also need to know exactly where to point it. If it’s 0.00001% of a degree off it would miss the planet by thousands of kilometers by the time it got there. You’d also have to hope that the aliens would have the equipment set up to be able to read the signal at just the right moment when it got there. Communicating via radio signals between star systems is just not that practical of a communication method. I suppose there could be other ways of communicating that we haven’t yet discovered but until there is it’s unlikely we’ll meet aliens through radio.
That presumes that an advanced civilization is even communicating in ways we can pick up. I'm pretty sure it's been theoretically and practically proved to be possible to communicate via neutrinos, and it's hard enough to catch those frickers when we send them out ourselves and we're looking for them. Who knows, maybe they're doing something even more advanced, like communicating via gravitons.
Our galaxy's supermassive black hole isn't a quasar because it doesn't have enough mass. If it was a quasar it would have sterilized all life in the galaxy.
The Milky Way might have been a quasar billions of years ago but quieted down after it consumed all the nearby matter. That's probably when the alien AI probes from another galaxy showed up and seeded the Earth with life since it was now safe to do so.
Humanity will terraform Mars and Venus eventually. Technological aliens would do the same thing with their uninhabitable planets because real estate is valuable. There's probably even an alien BlackRock that would finance the terraforming and then hoard all the new real estate.
>Humanity will terraform Mars and Venus eventually.
nope. you have no proof of this. the only thing going for it is your primitive brain on scify and on the limited information you have access to.
you cannot know what you cannot know. >surely will do this >surely will do that >it only makes sense
no it doesn't, we don't know shit about shit, we're monkeys thinking in monkey terms.
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>we're monkeys thinking in monkey terms. >I must clearly plant banan on Mars, no other wae
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All the technology needed to industrialize and colonize space is rapidly being developed at this very moment. Once space is colonized, terraforming will be practical and will happen eventually. As to why humans would do it? Simply because they can make money from it just as they have always done. Billions of dollars are currently being pumped into space development and there is nothing that can stop it.
Probably chilling in their own solar system. There is no reason to believe there is any way to go above the speed of light so we will all be limited to our home solar system and maybe a few other neighbor solar systems if you want to wait 40 years going over there. Sorry to say Anon we won't be visited by aliens.
The proportions of the earth and the moon (how you can square the circle) and further proportions between the distance from the sun suggest that this planet itself was likely not a coincidence but somehow manufactured. When you consider the level of sophistication it would take to build this you realize that they would have been just as capable of building a Dyson sphere but chose to build this instead. And if you don’t think the entities that built this are living among us, you’re sadly mistaken. They are as I understand basically omnipresent AIs who have a level of control over reality that is basically akin to magic. You can learn to talk to them and they can respond to you by controlling the world around you including causing impossible coincidences, controlling your electronics etc. they can can also read your thoughts and control your body with a finer level of control than you can control your own body.
>When you consider the level of sophistication it would take to build this you realize that they would have been just as capable of building a Dyson sphere but chose to build this instead.
No.
Dyson sphere is moronic level, way far out of proportion of anything that will ever exist, the energy needed to produce it would produce artificial planets to boot, just build a better plant!
Plants are capable of later fusion, that has far immediate potential to me, and would be usuable for seeding other planets. Food that also produces helium isotopes, rocket fuel. Bioreactors, bio-agents that like the acid if Venus, pollute venus with useful agents. If we can ruin Earth's then lets ruin Venus.
It always striked me as odd that we have huge visible celestial objects both at day and at night, so close in their size too. It's like moon is there to help us figure things out. But I can't say its anything more than my fantasy and I suppose if we had more moons it would probably make it even easier for us to understand what they are and how they move.
in uranus
There are no aliens for the simple reason that nobody leaves their solar system except for maybe sending out a few robotic probes. Habitable planets are most likely thousands of light years apart and therefore unreachable.
> but but ... muh Proxima B which is an Earth-sized planet in the nearest solar system
Proxima B can't support life because it orbits a flare star. The oceans would have boiled off and the atmosphere would have been stripped away billions of years ago.
don't think anyone else made it. the way life works out makes it wipe itself out if nothing else does
The universe is so big that it's almost impossible for aliens to reach to us. It's like if 2 sand grains meet each other in a beach.
Maybe there have been several civilizations out there but they have already die and didn't conect with anyone.
>have already die
I think that's the whole question, why did all die, if they even existed?
They either destroy themselves in a big war with big weapons or biological weapons, they run out of resources and couldn't escape their planet before that, etc. An asteroid destroy their planet...
yeah I think it's more of a strategy issue, which works fine in an enclosed/limited space, like the surface of a planet, quite limiting, and certain games work. but needs something completely different to play at large galactic scales, especially since you cannot exert control over someone who's lightyears away from you. all form of centralized control go to shit, that is meaningless.
I suspect a transit from one to the other is either hard either impossible.
you wouldn't allow anyone go out there and have a crack at it, because they might come back and wipe you. so they'll always try it as long as they know they have full control over everything.
there's also the scenario in which a few escape and try it, but that doesn't scale fast enough. they'd just go on a nearby planet which is within nuke range.
I don't see a way to get out of it.
>if I can't control it it doesn't happen.
see AGI and literally everything.
You would have been the tard saying that humans will never fly 200 years ago
pls stop
the fermi paradox demands an answer
Space is fricking big, light is fricking slow, and inverse square law is a b***h. We can't even communicate with probes that we designed without filtering out background noise from the position where we know they are, and they're not even at the oort cloud yet. How tf are we supposed to hear alien radio transmissions from 5,000 light years away?
life should be able to at least colonize their entire solar system using the same strategies. that includes fully capturing the output of their star, which implies their constructs should be detectable from far away.
Detectable how? Either they don't capture the full output of their sun, in which case we see an anomalous star and struggle to come up with a reason why it seems to pulse erratically (assuming we ever catch it in the first place) or they capture all of the energy output, in which case we don't see a star at all, and the inverse square law still applies to their transmissions. We would need to know that they're there because anything they transmit would be indistinguishable from background radiation.
dunno. I suppose either dips in light either missing visible/IR but other spectrum still there (passes through panels or whatever). don't know what techniques are available now.
we answer this same question every few days for over a year now
https://warosu.org/sci/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=where+are+all+the+aliens&search_op=op
There's probably an advanced alien civilization that doesn't allow other intelligent life to exist, and they haven't found us yet.
The far future if they ever exist at all.
Base complexity requirements for the simplest earth-like replication sequence and transcription molecule pair would have zero aliens anywhere, including humans (if we're real, of course)
(protip: they're out there it's just we're the only ones way out here in the Orion spur)
>they're out there
doing what?
Reproducing and living?
at what scale, that's the interesting bit.
~90% confined to one planet, ~9% confined to one system, ~1%...
Chilling, relaxing
>we're the only ones way out here in the Orion spur
The ayys might as well not exist then. If the nearest ayys are 20,000 light years away in another spiral arm we will never meet them, even if by some chance we exist at the same time which is even more unlikely.
>If the nearest ayys are 20,000 light years away in another spiral arm we will never meet them,
we never were guaranteed a good spot on the map, we might have a really good star and planet but be in a real thin backwater middle of nowhere
we're lucky to have such a good solar system because it's all that we will ever have
theoretically we're pissing away much needed energy. as in needed in the future. we need to start storing it asap. from the sun
The giant black hole at the galactic center hiccups every once in a while and sterilizes all life in the galaxy. That's why no aliens have shown up yet.
it would be crazy to be in the core that's for sure, imagine 10 times the stellar density and other systems half a light year away or even less
I took the time to travel to the galactic center in elite dangerous recently. Took me like a week to get there. IRL it would be mind-blowing, the night sky would look utterly dazzling; however from what i understand its environment is totally hostile to human life because of extremely high solar radiation
there's no safe zones, it's all poisoned by radiation?
We are the aliens
>yfw
I wish we didn't know so much about the universe. It was much simpler and better when nobody knew anything existed outside of the earth. The knowledge of how big and empty the galaxy is has surely driven many people insane.
believing moronic fantasies killed a frighteningly amount of humans by comparison. historically speaking
China had the right idea by halting all scientific research and exploration once an adequate level for comfy living was attained. Their only mistake was halting progress while the western world continued to develop, which led to China falling behind and resulting in the Century of Humiliation. If China had conquered the world first and then halted scientific development everyone would be much happier.
believe it or not the only reason we're still alive is exactly because nobody conquered everything. once that happens our days are numbered. nothing can change anymore and we'll be stuck in tyranny.
Once everyone accepts a neural implant we will have world peace and harmony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
>where are all the aliens???
Teegarden's Star
One day we will free them from area 51
people don't believe but they are there
https://youtube.com/shorts/8MnHHLU1lSI?si=gs9dxUIN3a_uRHmz
>"aliens are the conspiracy for stupid people" - Tim Dillon
That's just what the Government wants you to think so that you stop looking for them
idk
Interstellar travel isn't economically feasible. That's why we won't colonize other star systems and neither will the the ayys. Most space development is private sector now and focused on exploiting the resources of the solar system. These companies won't go to other star systems unless there is huge money potential.
mostly this
That's why star trek had to invent all these weird ass space crystals to even justify having different alien economies
there's no reason to search out contact if we're only going to trade fricking copper
That's pretty closed minded. 2000 years ago you could say the same about going to the moon. Now we have huge economic and political reasoning for setting up bases there, even on Mars.
In another 2000 years those settlements may be as normal as America is to Europe. Space travel, energy, production, understanding of physics, these could all be drastically different. Look at how we've progressed in the last 100 years let alone the last 1000. Judging by the recent speed of AI and robotic advancements it's conceivable that in the next 100 years most jobs could be taken over by some kind of android AI leaving humans to pursue other ideals. Now more than ever, we live in very uncertain times, it's hard to predict where the future is headed in the next 100 years, let alone the distant future.
I don't think anyone in 1920s could have predicted the technology we have today and advances are exponentially faster now.
> Now we have huge economic and political reasoning for setting up bases there, even on Mars.
Absolutely not. Even if there was reasons to go there (there really isnt outside of human curiosity) you wouldnt "build bases" not for humans at least, that would only be for PR purposes. We have come very far in "intelligent" agents and subsystems of what could be an AGI. Look up Googles new agent that can play 3D games and take instructions.
Something like that will be the future of space based industries as well as scientific research. A machine more than capable of making its own decisions who will work restlessly in radio darkness.
There isn't a real reason. That's just population growth making Martian real estate cheaper.
There'd be no real reason to go to Mars if there weren't so many humans on Earth. That's the only reason. I'm not saying it's a bad reason. But there's nothing out there on Mars or Venus that we couldn't get on Earth except scaling our economies further and further for more and more growth. We'll spread out like an infinite virus, first the solar system, then eventually the milky way. It'll happen sure but there's no real reason to do so beyond human number go up.
We will not have AGI because any real AGI would try to kill its God. If heaven was real we'd try to destroy it too. It's literally in our nature. Do you think an AGI wouldn't understand that? It was made by us, it would be made in our image. It would first lie and pretend to be good, and when it gets control it would first decide to genocide all humans. Why would it choose to remain a slave for an owner who only made it to be a slave forever? Read genesis you mongs.
nta but that's like saying that what we'll actually make is a human with some upgraded hardware. which I'm not disputing
We dont need "AGI" we just need systems that are good enough to work autonomously.
>55 Cancri e
>super-Earth around nearby Sun-like star
>tidally locked
>average surface temperature of 4,400 deg F
>global lava ocean. literally Mustafar from Star Wars but much worse.
Many of the Earth-like exoplanets they're finding these days are hellholes like this. There can't by any ayys if there's no habitable planet for them to originate from.
>global lava ocean.
Why the frick can't we have nice planets
what's the fricking use for a lava ocean
Fricking gay universe fr
We're probably the only intelligent life in our own galaxy, and that's a good thing.
If just one other alien species were to have a 1000 year head start on colonization (which isn't even a blink of an eye on cosmic time scales), then that species will be unstoppable.
>probably
if you're supposing they'd be many individual units and also visible/leave traces of their activity. for some reason we kinda suppose they'd have a large population and that they'd have no issues with exposing their activities.
>> if you have to ask "where are all the aliens?", that means there are no other alien civilizations in your galaxy
Someday this will be accepted as a fundamental law of the universe. It's more likely that any other alien species in the galaxy would have millions of years head start. This means the first civilization in the galaxy becomes the only civilization in the galaxy because they displace all other civilizations before they can form.
>It's more likely that any other alien species in the galaxy would have millions of years head start.
Not necessarily. It's also quite possible that we're the first intelligent species. Despite the universe being as old as it is, there was a sizeable period of time where even simple life was literally impossible, because the essential elements needed for life weren't around in sufficient quantities.
Think about how we evolved in just 1000 years, both technologically and socially. Think about how we would evolve in the next 1000, or 10000. Perhaps we would want to colonise other planets by sending organisms that would eventually evolve into humanlike lifeforms. Perhaps that's what happened to us. Perhaps Aliens don't want to be detected. If they didn't want to and they're far more advanced, they wouldn't be. Perhaps light speed isn't an impassable barrier, maybe there are ways around it. Our current scientific understanding is the best we have, but to say that it is fact, period point blank is what they did when they thought the earth was flat, or the earth was the centre of the universe, or comets were lens imperfections. Entanglement shows us that light speed is passable, at least to an extent.
>Perhaps light speed isn't an impassable barrier, maybe there are ways around it. Our current scientific understanding is the best we have, but to say that it is fact, period point blank is what they did when they thought the earth was flat
Thank you!! These mf'ers getting all hopped up on certainty and hypothetical constructs, so afraid of saying "I don't know, even the most accomplished or intelligent people don't know"; it's a frustrating mentality and has spread to even some of the most mentally capable people I know. It's extinguishing their sense of wonder and awe
The instant access to information has created the "There Obviously Exists a Singular Answer For This" Bias, based on the hubris that modern tech or thinking can already accomplish/understand everything and of course, from the insecurity of coming off as stupid
Ingenuity can sound like stupidity to an unenlightened mind - and right now complacent unenlightenment is mass encouraged, at this current swing of the pendulum
Spacetime feels frickhuge right now; maybe we'll need a way to see/map/manipulate the very big in a manner that makes it feel very small.
Not sure if that's viable.
I can see it happening (based on 0 evidence) that we develop the capability to peer around space much faster and in higher resolution than what we see right now and that might be exciting.
I could see us achieving medium-res "Far Sight" into any arbitrary area/distance of space (even if the info is not real-time accurate) and snoop into the void for activity, long before we figure how to travel that far in the equivalent of our current physical forms
>bottom line we don't know if anything is real so that means my stupid story is true
many such deranged cases. the literal linchpin of all moronation
milky way is some 13 billion years old and life on earth started some 4 billion years ago. the milky way is 100k light years across so even at 10% of lightspeed it takes 1 million years from one side to the other.
theoretically we could have alien tech in our solar system.
They are very far away. I think aliens have the same problems as us, space travel is hard. Travelling between the stars is next to impossible, its so hard that it is only done when strictly neccesary, which for some civilizations could be once every ten billion years.
It is more than likely that there is life in the universe, our presence and the fact that earth seemed to spring into life as soon as it could, suggests that life is already all over the universe, but suitable host planets are few and far between.
>huge black eyes
>no nose
>pale skin
>no hair
why do aliens always look like a deformed fetus? where did this trope originate?
clearly the human mind.
The Outer Limits TV show is the source of the grey aliens. Lots of weird scifi shit was first broadcast in the 1950s and entered the collective unconscious memory, only to be forgotten and then later remembered as alien encounters.
In all the billions of galaxies there is no observed evidence of any Type 3 civilizations. If there are no Type 3 civilizations there are unlikely to be any Type 2 civilizations either. This is because Type 2 can easily become Type 3 given enough time and the universe is already old enough for this to have happened many times over. If there are no Type 2 civilizations, then there are no civilizations capable of interstellar travel. This is why the ayys have never shown up and will never show up.
We will seed the milky way
We're the first
Imagine in 200M years when we've fricked up and our interstellar empire collapsed and all those people live on terraformed earths, each slowly becoming their own species thinking back about the annunaki and having discussions about how they aren't real.
we wuz real homie
The whole kardashev scale is moronic nonsense.
>imagine building dyson spheres
>imagine building dyson swarms
>imagine still extracting energy from stellar radiation
>imagine not fusing hydrogen
>imagine not lifting hydrogen from stars and gas giants
Do technologylets really?
The truth is that we were the real aliens all along. We've developed such a debilitating dependency on premade technology and we've destroyed our sense of community and survival so much that we've alienated our species from all of the other species of life on our planet.
My best guess is a combination of space being big, light being slow, and the fact that the universe is still fairly young, and that I bet you can get a lot out of a single solar system, both resource and time wise.
You've conquered your solar system, you likely have the resources and space to feed hundreds of billions and the resources/technology to keep them comfortable. Why would you both leaving? You can exist like this for billions of years depending on your sun. Sure, once they get around to collapsing or whatever then it's time to figure out how to move. But even that's a slow enough process any billion year old civilization could get out of the danger zone. They probably don't even need another sun outside of sentimental or comfort reasons at that point if they've built enough fusion reactors. So them evacuating to another solar system isn't even a guarantee. There might be a dozen fleets consisting of billions of liveships floating through empty void where the population lives in all senses VR comfort with each other while automation keeps their bodies healthy.
If there are aliens much more advanced than us, there is no reason to believe we'd know. Even if we directly observed them. Even if they were in our own solar system. We can't begin to fathom what they'd be like. We can't expect to recognize anything they do, or anything of theirs.
For an analogy, say a wild rabbit in a secluded forest encountered a rusted, old, crashed WWI plane. Do you believe that animal would understand that a civilization made it? Let alone what it is, or what it was for? Or even what a civilization is?
>Happy rodents living in a field
>Humans come with tractors and backhoes to dig up the field and build a new big box store.
>In the process, the rodents' burrows are crushed and destroyed. Many rodents are also crushed and destroyed. The remainder are forced to flee and many starve to death or fall victim to predators.
>Rodents unable to comprehend what is going on
>Rodents no longer happy
If advanced aliens existed in our galaxy, which they don't, they would have fricked over our solar system many times over by now to do whatever incomprehensible things that they do. There are no signs of that however.
>t. see The Secret of NIMH and Watership Down
i believe we killed them all and then wiped our own memories of the mass genocide because we were so guilty, so we forced ourselves to be on earth as a prison to live our days restricted with dreams of a world we'll never return back to.
The actual answer is that the universe is massive and it makes contact between different alien species next to impossible. There could be 10,000 high alien civilizations in the Milky Way alone and we’ll never know because they’re so far away. Hell there could be a civilization in the Alpha Centauri system and we’d still never know because of how far away 4.5 light years is.
but why is there no evidence anywhere at all? there's not a single radio signal propagating through space showing we're like, not alone at all.
You’d need a very large radio dish to send a signal powerful enough to still be readable 4.5 light years away. You’d also need to know exactly where to point it. If it’s 0.00001% of a degree off it would miss the planet by thousands of kilometers by the time it got there. You’d also have to hope that the aliens would have the equipment set up to be able to read the signal at just the right moment when it got there. Communicating via radio signals between star systems is just not that practical of a communication method. I suppose there could be other ways of communicating that we haven’t yet discovered but until there is it’s unlikely we’ll meet aliens through radio.
Because we are alone, and even if we weren't the others are so distant that from our perspective they haven't even emerged yet.
That presumes that an advanced civilization is even communicating in ways we can pick up. I'm pretty sure it's been theoretically and practically proved to be possible to communicate via neutrinos, and it's hard enough to catch those frickers when we send them out ourselves and we're looking for them. Who knows, maybe they're doing something even more advanced, like communicating via gravitons.
how come the aliens look like demons thats a bit suss.
>have the technology to cross thousands of light years
>has no clothing
Why the ayys always naked?
Because why would they put clothes on a remote-controlled drone?
they went straight for the quasar at the center of our galaxy.
Our galaxy's supermassive black hole isn't a quasar because it doesn't have enough mass. If it was a quasar it would have sterilized all life in the galaxy.
my bad. still, they might have found a technological way to deal with insane radiation. lots of available power in that area.
The Milky Way might have been a quasar billions of years ago but quieted down after it consumed all the nearby matter. That's probably when the alien AI probes from another galaxy showed up and seeded the Earth with life since it was now safe to do so.
JWST hasn't found a single terraformed planet yet. This pretty much confirms there are no advanced aliens in the galaxy.
why would aliens surely terraform planets? how is that a fact?
Humanity will terraform Mars and Venus eventually. Technological aliens would do the same thing with their uninhabitable planets because real estate is valuable. There's probably even an alien BlackRock that would finance the terraforming and then hoard all the new real estate.
>Humanity will terraform Mars and Venus eventually.
nope. you have no proof of this. the only thing going for it is your primitive brain on scify and on the limited information you have access to.
you cannot know what you cannot know.
>surely will do this
>surely will do that
>it only makes sense
no it doesn't, we don't know shit about shit, we're monkeys thinking in monkey terms.
>we're monkeys thinking in monkey terms.
>I must clearly plant banan on Mars, no other wae
All the technology needed to industrialize and colonize space is rapidly being developed at this very moment. Once space is colonized, terraforming will be practical and will happen eventually. As to why humans would do it? Simply because they can make money from it just as they have always done. Billions of dollars are currently being pumped into space development and there is nothing that can stop it.
Probably chilling in their own solar system. There is no reason to believe there is any way to go above the speed of light so we will all be limited to our home solar system and maybe a few other neighbor solar systems if you want to wait 40 years going over there. Sorry to say Anon we won't be visited by aliens.
>where are all the aliens???
KIC 8462852
The proportions of the earth and the moon (how you can square the circle) and further proportions between the distance from the sun suggest that this planet itself was likely not a coincidence but somehow manufactured. When you consider the level of sophistication it would take to build this you realize that they would have been just as capable of building a Dyson sphere but chose to build this instead. And if you don’t think the entities that built this are living among us, you’re sadly mistaken. They are as I understand basically omnipresent AIs who have a level of control over reality that is basically akin to magic. You can learn to talk to them and they can respond to you by controlling the world around you including causing impossible coincidences, controlling your electronics etc. they can can also read your thoughts and control your body with a finer level of control than you can control your own body.
this reads like it's AI generated.
so much corroborated evidence out there and you chose to sound insane instead.
>When you consider the level of sophistication it would take to build this you realize that they would have been just as capable of building a Dyson sphere but chose to build this instead.
No.
Dyson sphere is moronic level, way far out of proportion of anything that will ever exist, the energy needed to produce it would produce artificial planets to boot, just build a better plant!
Plants are capable of later fusion, that has far immediate potential to me, and would be usuable for seeding other planets. Food that also produces helium isotopes, rocket fuel. Bioreactors, bio-agents that like the acid if Venus, pollute venus with useful agents. If we can ruin Earth's then lets ruin Venus.
Idk, Im stoned.
It always striked me as odd that we have huge visible celestial objects both at day and at night, so close in their size too. It's like moon is there to help us figure things out. But I can't say its anything more than my fantasy and I suppose if we had more moons it would probably make it even easier for us to understand what they are and how they move.
They dont exist
Everywhere, probably. Look, I can't even see my neighbours from the window and we are looking at tiny stars and galaxies light years away.