Where does the bible say masturbation is bad?
It says adultery bad, which is basically betraying your partner, but I can't find anything about masturbation
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Where does the bible say masturbation is bad?
It doesn't explicitly mention it but the argument if that masturbation is giving into lust, and whether through your imagine or through pornography you're degrading women, something offensive to God
Is masturbation giving into lust in the same way that eating a delicious food is giving into gluttony or wanting to earn money giving into greed?
Yes
>eating a delicious food is giving into gluttony
That isn't gluttony, gluttony is overeating to the extreme. Look at Nicolofrodolo or whatever the frick that fatboy youtubers name is.
The Bible doesn't explicitly say that cannibalism or suicide are sins either yet Christians get all high and mighty about those "sins" too
Are you an idiot ?
Show me ONE verse that says cannibalism or suicide is a sin in the Bible. I'll wait.
Gonna wank one out in your honor. That is hilarious.
>suicide
Gen 9:5
>cannibalism
Lev 11:2-3
Gen 9:5
>And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
This is just God explaining that mortality is now a thing after the fall. Says nothing about suicide.
Lev 11:2-3
>“Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud."
These are just setting the kosher rules for israelites. It says nothing about cannibalism not being allowed, especially if you don't consider humans to be animals.
Neither of these are about what you claim they are stupid npc.
>suicide
>Gen 9:5
5 And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and wfrom man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.
>cannibalism
>Lev 11:2-3
2 “Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 4 “
Those don't say anything about it.
So we can't eat chicken?
King Saul basically commits suicide and other than David mourns his death there doesn't seem to be any other indication that it was a bad thing.
The Deuteronomistic History perfectly demonstrates Hebrew perceptions of virtues around the same time that the Torah was compiled. Not only is suicide not seen in the light that it later was, it is the same with lying, killing many people, having multiple wives, et cetera
If you look at a woman to lust for her, you commit adultery within your heart.
Masturbation implies porn consumption or at the very least, you imagining a certain individual.
Maybe if you just jerk off for the feeling itself, it's not considered sinful.
>If you look at a woman to lust for her, you commit adultery within your heart.
That doesn't make sense, if I have desire to eat Pringles in a diet but I don't do it, I have completed gluttony and sin in my heart?
What does "in my heart" even mean?
How can you commit adultery inside if you don't even know the girl? Can you kill inside, eat inside? That doesn't mean anything; I think that verse is said to just not tempt yourself but is not literal
>Masturbation implies porn consumption or at the very least, you imagining a certain individual.
I still don't know why is that bad. If I imagine myself killing you in my mind is not the same as me doing it for example.
>Maybe if you just jerk off for the feeling itself, it's not considered sinful.
So it's the same as scratching your ass or eating something good once in a while, it is only bad if you sacrifice meaningful things in life for them. (Such as relationships with loved ones for example)
>Can you kill inside, eat inside?
Yes you can.
If you get angry at your brother, this is the same offense as committing murder.
When it comes to eating, If you seek to indulge the flesh , you become subservient to it.
Man doesn't survive on bread alone, but by every word which comes out from the mouth of God.
Jesus came to write the law in our hearts, the circumcise us spiritually and to deliver us to the kingdom of heaven which is not of this world.
Once must learn to deny himself, to carry his cross and to make constant sacrifices, for we are called to be Christlike and to be perfect like him
It is exactly the same?
>Once must learn to deny himself, to carry his cross and to make constant sacrifices
Why? If your superisraelite is almoghty can't he just give everyone a front seat in heaven?
Everybody would start believing.
You are mistaken if you think that God wants to send everyone to heaven, or if you think that he has the best intentions for some starving child in a Chinese sweatshop factory.
There are vessels of mercy which are predestined to receive his grace and fatherly love, but there are also vessels of wrath which are meant to glorify him through pain and suffering for eternity.
He doesn't want you to believe if you were meant to be a vessel of wrath, belief is just a tool which is used to gather the lost sheep and to point them in the right direction.
It's pretty pointless for you to believe if you are a wolf who is only concerned about catching his pray and being self sufficient.
>There are vessels of mercy which are predestined to receive his grace and fatherly love, but there are also vessels of wrath which are meant to glorify him through pain and suffering for eternity.
Doesn't this make the Christian God like infinitely worse than Satan? It also makes Satan seem completely justified in his rebellion. What a disturbing portrait of Divinity you hold.
Why do we put murderers in prison but we don't put everyone who gets angry in prison?
Because you are subservient to the worldly authorities which have their own interpretations of what is right and wrong.
>Doesn't this make the Christian God like infinitely worse than Satan?
Satan doesn't have any agency whatsoever, he is an extension of God's will. With one wave of his hand, Jesus can make Satan and all of his legions to bow down and tremble.
I assume you are not familiar with the concept of controlled opposition?
Also have a verse and be a witness of my cruel and vindictive God.
>Amos 3:6
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
One more.
>Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
So what you're saying is that Christians worship the ultimate evil
this doesn't look that much like shiota nagisa
>Jesus came to write the law in our hearts, the circumcise us spiritually and to deliver us to the kingdom of heaven which is not of this world.
Imagine proudly calling yourself spiritually circumcised by israelites. Holy frick.
Also a couple verses later he says.
>if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away
Now what sin would one be committing with their right hand that might relate to the lust that was just mentioned? It's not explicit but idk.
I think that's just twisting words, it's just a comparison.
I would think about murder or stealing before that.
It’s sexual immorality which is mentioned all the time in the Bible, look harder.
23 posts and not a single mention of Onan.
Came in here to post this and this: Genesis 38:8-10
( https://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/B01C038.htm ).
See:
>Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
>And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
That's about failing to fulfill the duties of a Levirate marriage. He didn't want to cum inside of her because it meant that he would lose access to his brother's wealth.
Jesus is referring to the Law and by adultery it is meant laying with the wife of another man. The Greek word for woman and wife is the same, likewise in Aramaic.
masturbation is a self indulgent waste of energy.
Does something being a self-indulgent waste of energy inherently make it sinful?
99% of jobs are a waste of energy to indulge the 0.1%
what should I do? thinking about women and looking for their photos on pornographic sites or simply looking at anime images? When I do this, it makes it so I don't have to lust after random women.1
The Bible is silent on the matter. The closest It comes is when Jesus says you shouldn't look at a married woman with lust. The rest of the sexual limitations are purely based on women being possessions of men and you shouldn't soil another man's property.
onanism is generally accepted to mean that
aside from that you're supposed to overcome your lust and stay in chastity, not try to rules lawyer your way into being able to jerk off
atheitroons be like "you need LE BIBLE to tell you have to live?" and go "WELL THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RAPING DEAD ANIMAL FETUSES SO I'M GOING TO DO THAT"
The Bible explicitly forbids sexual relations with non-human animals.
The Bible tells you not to poo in loo though.
You cannot know if this is true or not, because you haven't read it.
The Bible doesn't say slavery is wrong and it advocates genital mutilation. I think basing your standards on this book is moronic. God is obviously real but the Bible is clearly not perfect or an ultimate source of authority by any means.
>God is obviously real but the Bible is clearly not perfect or an ultimate source of authority by any means.
Rational person detected
It says involuntary slavery (as opposed to indentured servitude) is wrong. In fact in the OT that was punishable by death (which was why they had to come up with justifications for the African slave trade like the Curse of Ham)
As for genital mutilation, unless you're a Messianic israelite (which I'm fairly certain you would have no interest in becoming), that was fulfilled. See the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15)
>Acts 15
Even though it's waived for gentiles in Acts, you have to believe the creator of the universe asked men to cut off the tips of their dicks, moroning the function that he designed intentionally. I don't believe that. And it's kind of crazy that such an idea passed the test for this long. Probably because they wouldn't let anyone read the Bible.
Here's an answer to why God might have required it when he did, using some science. But also pointing out that since it's purely religious, there doesn't necessarily have to be a medical reason.
https://reasons.org/explore/blogs/the-cells-design/why-would-god-command-circumcision
be honest, if a voice who promised you wealth and power told you to kill your kid you'd do it right?
That's not even the worst part, it might have been the case that in the original story, which was later redacted, Abraham went through with it. Nothing is said about Isaac while Abraham is returning from Mount Moriah. It would have been a story about the merit of sacrificing one's first born and was later changed because there was reform in the Israelite religion.
the sacrifice of firstborn as opposed to later has to do with bloodtypes.
this has always been about ethnic warfare, but because people mixed, the original practice turned into schizophrenic rituals
If the traditional narrative that Abraham existed and started worshipping Yahweh, the potentially real deity, then he didn't found Judaism, Islam, or Christianity. He founded a predecessor to Judaism and Samaritanism.
A predecessor to Judaism and Samaritanism that is ultimately responsible for the birth of those religions, along with Christianity, Islam, Baha'i, and Mormonism.
Onan promised his infertile brother that he would knock up his wife in order to give them sons of the family, but he broke his promise by intentionally letting his seed spill on the ground - afraid of the commitment that his promise would bring into the world.
Basically he just wanted to have sex with his brothers wife and denied them offspring.
Modern germanic language often misquotes this story as "Onani" meaning self-pleasure in itself, when the story originally is about breaking one of the most important oaths one could have with ones family,- which is to help raise the family and to be honest.
Onani/Masturbation is then in most cases only INFERRING that masturbation will lead to being afraid of starting an family, as it's not as pleasurable in the moment as the act itself.
I'd say there's definitely something in there to take seriously, but most people haven't actially read the verse and thus the implication is lost on them - leading to unfounded wild conflict between 2 ignorant sides.