...who are paragons of the heights that humanity can achieve, in terms of words and deeds. The regular human being is quite honestly evil, by comparison.
It was consistent with his Nietzschean philosophy, tho?
11 months ago
Anonymous
really?
11 months ago
Anonymous
really?
>The erotic relation of men to youths was the necessary and sole preparation, to a degree unattainable to our comprehension, of all manly education (pretty much as for a long time all higher education of women was only attainable through love and marriage). All idealism of the strength of the Greek nature threw itself into that relation, and it is probable that never since have young men been treated so attentively, so lovingly so entirely with a view to their welfare (virtus) as in the fifth and sixth centuries B.C.— according to the beautiful saying of Holderlin: “denn liebend giebt der Sterbliche vom Besten”. The higher the light in which this relation was regarded, the lower sank intercourse with women.
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human All Too Human 259
>Plato goes further. He says with an innocence possible only for a Greek, not a "Christian," that there would be no Platonic philosophy at all if there were not such beautiful youths in Athens: it is only their sight that transposes the philosopher's soul into an erotic trance, leaving it no peace until it lowers the seed of all exalted things into such beautiful soil
Friedrich Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols chapter 8, 23
>What does our chatter about the Greeks amount to! What do we understand of their art, the soul of which is passion for naked male beauty!
Friedrich Nietzsche, Daybreak, Aphorism 170
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, except Greeks were fricking shotas within their own city-state, from their own neighburhoods, with permission of their fathers and specifically as a reward for dedicating their time and efforts to educate them in civic responsibilities and culture. This was controlled environment, where everyone knew each other, so there was much less probability of emotional and physical abuse. Completely different situation from that of a hedonist foreigner paying money to get his dick sucked without any other obligations and leaving his underage paramours with nothing but teared butthole and syphilis. Did Foucault have any long term relationships with these Arab boys? No. Did he cared to help or educate them? Unlikely. Their relationships were purely transactional and had no positive outcomes for the community or individuals involved, except exchanging fiat and fleeting pleasure. What used to work in close knitted commune or city state wont do any good in atomised capitalist, pleasure driven society.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Also, Athenians (very likely) didn't frick the boys in the ass and had a very clear code of conduct, diametrically opposed to rentboy sodomy in the third world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong, athenians were gay as frick
11 months ago
Anonymous
They were pedos, and their pedo cope was to elevate such relationship by codifying their practice with very specific rules as to not go as far. See KJ Dover's Greek Homosxuality; as anal penetration was taboo and an attack to manliness the accepted practice was thigh sex and mutual masturation.
if you want to know the truth, the upper classes liked fricking boys in the ass and larping about how wonderful it is, while the lower classes called them a bunch of homosexuals. See Aristophanes's The Clouds
I haven't read it (I will) but did read Dover's book, and he suggests Aristophanes' mentions of butt stuff (as you know Old omedy likes to be extremely vulgar) talks about a certain hypocrisy in certain individuals of the Athenian elite. His whole mocking of wide assed men and boys either talks about a forbidden practice being engaged in or perhaps, as you say, a satyrization of pederasty to extreme ends.
11 months ago
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if you want to know the truth, the upper classes liked fricking boys in the ass and larping about how wonderful it is, while the lower classes called them a bunch of homosexuals. See Aristophanes's The Clouds
11 months ago
Anonymous
>while the lower classes called them a bunch of homosexuals. See Aristophanes's The Clouds
but anon, in that play the voice of Right talks about how based pederasty used to be... He also says that "the pit-arsed are the wide majority"
11 months ago
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Foucault's sponsorship of essentially pedophile legalization isn't the same as Nietzsche's avant-garde penchant for pederastry. Sex with pre-pubescent boys is very different from dudes who fantasize 14 year olds sucking their dicks.
Yeah, except Greeks were fricking shotas within their own city-state, from their own neighburhoods, with permission of their fathers and specifically as a reward for dedicating their time and efforts to educate them in civic responsibilities and culture. This was controlled environment, where everyone knew each other, so there was much less probability of emotional and physical abuse. Completely different situation from that of a hedonist foreigner paying money to get his dick sucked without any other obligations and leaving his underage paramours with nothing but teared butthole and syphilis. Did Foucault have any long term relationships with these Arab boys? No. Did he cared to help or educate them? Unlikely. Their relationships were purely transactional and had no positive outcomes for the community or individuals involved, except exchanging fiat and fleeting pleasure. What used to work in close knitted commune or city state wont do any good in atomised capitalist, pleasure driven society.
AFAIK there isn't anything to corroborate the idea Foucault was fricking little 8 year old shotas in Tunisia. He was a sex pest and a sex tourist, so he probably did sleep with people under 18, especially in France where the age of consent is 14. Apparently, he was a masochist who liked taking it in the ass. So it doesn't align with his psychological profile either.
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Their exact age doesnt really matter as much as the nature of Foucault`s relationships with them. Modern prostitution, underaged or not, is hardly comparable with ancient Greek pederasty, so I dont think that hiring rentboys has anything to do with nietzscheanism. In that regard Fucault seemed to behave like pedestrian sex tourist more than philosopher.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you don't think is a power relation issue but my curiosity beats your morality thing
11 months ago
Anonymous
Iam a bit of a chud, so I do not consider equality in relationships to be the highest good that always balances the dangers and unequal benefits and losses for partners. And that equality is illusory in most transactions between sides of unequal wealth and social status anyway. So in order to assess the value of such relationships, I need to consider what benefits they bring to the parties and society at large.
Seems to me that, unlike ancient Greek pederasty in the context of its age, prostitution of the minors has no benefits that could possibly outweight its disadvantages.
History of Seuxality Volume 1 is the classic Foucault text but I find his late lectures far and away the most interesting part of his output, especially Society Must Be Defended.
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Why do so many people dislike him? Was he a bad philosopher or something?
He was allegedly a brilliant man lol, but when he learned he contracted the bug that all the gays knew was sexually transmitted and a conseqence of a promiscuous drugged up lifestyle, he just said frick it I will infect take down every bdsm fetishist and twink down with me.
His writings on Iran that pissed off leftists and liberals.... history of sexuality vol 1 and discipline and punish.
Thank you 🙂
What did he specifically say that pissed everyone off?
that the Iranian Revolution was the Becoming of the Aryan race
wtf I love Foucault now
The trash bin
Why do so many people dislike him? Was he a bad philosopher or something?
He's a homosexual who thinks everything humans do is completely arbitrary and built soley on a will to power.
And he’s wrong, how?
Jesus, diogenes, buddha, etc
...who are paragons of the heights that humanity can achieve, in terms of words and deeds. The regular human being is quite honestly evil, by comparison.
He supported pedophile relationships, you can read all about it on wikipedia.
It was consistent with his Nietzschean philosophy, tho?
really?
>The erotic relation of men to youths was the necessary and sole preparation, to a degree unattainable to our comprehension, of all manly education (pretty much as for a long time all higher education of women was only attainable through love and marriage). All idealism of the strength of the Greek nature threw itself into that relation, and it is probable that never since have young men been treated so attentively, so lovingly so entirely with a view to their welfare (virtus) as in the fifth and sixth centuries B.C.— according to the beautiful saying of Holderlin: “denn liebend giebt der Sterbliche vom Besten”. The higher the light in which this relation was regarded, the lower sank intercourse with women.
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human All Too Human 259
>Plato goes further. He says with an innocence possible only for a Greek, not a "Christian," that there would be no Platonic philosophy at all if there were not such beautiful youths in Athens: it is only their sight that transposes the philosopher's soul into an erotic trance, leaving it no peace until it lowers the seed of all exalted things into such beautiful soil
Friedrich Nietzsche, Twilight of the Idols chapter 8, 23
>What does our chatter about the Greeks amount to! What do we understand of their art, the soul of which is passion for naked male beauty!
Friedrich Nietzsche, Daybreak, Aphorism 170
Yeah, except Greeks were fricking shotas within their own city-state, from their own neighburhoods, with permission of their fathers and specifically as a reward for dedicating their time and efforts to educate them in civic responsibilities and culture. This was controlled environment, where everyone knew each other, so there was much less probability of emotional and physical abuse. Completely different situation from that of a hedonist foreigner paying money to get his dick sucked without any other obligations and leaving his underage paramours with nothing but teared butthole and syphilis. Did Foucault have any long term relationships with these Arab boys? No. Did he cared to help or educate them? Unlikely. Their relationships were purely transactional and had no positive outcomes for the community or individuals involved, except exchanging fiat and fleeting pleasure. What used to work in close knitted commune or city state wont do any good in atomised capitalist, pleasure driven society.
Also, Athenians (very likely) didn't frick the boys in the ass and had a very clear code of conduct, diametrically opposed to rentboy sodomy in the third world.
Wrong, athenians were gay as frick
They were pedos, and their pedo cope was to elevate such relationship by codifying their practice with very specific rules as to not go as far. See KJ Dover's Greek Homosxuality; as anal penetration was taboo and an attack to manliness the accepted practice was thigh sex and mutual masturation.
I haven't read it (I will) but did read Dover's book, and he suggests Aristophanes' mentions of butt stuff (as you know Old omedy likes to be extremely vulgar) talks about a certain hypocrisy in certain individuals of the Athenian elite. His whole mocking of wide assed men and boys either talks about a forbidden practice being engaged in or perhaps, as you say, a satyrization of pederasty to extreme ends.
if you want to know the truth, the upper classes liked fricking boys in the ass and larping about how wonderful it is, while the lower classes called them a bunch of homosexuals. See Aristophanes's The Clouds
>while the lower classes called them a bunch of homosexuals. See Aristophanes's The Clouds
but anon, in that play the voice of Right talks about how based pederasty used to be... He also says that "the pit-arsed are the wide majority"
Foucault's sponsorship of essentially pedophile legalization isn't the same as Nietzsche's avant-garde penchant for pederastry. Sex with pre-pubescent boys is very different from dudes who fantasize 14 year olds sucking their dicks.
AFAIK there isn't anything to corroborate the idea Foucault was fricking little 8 year old shotas in Tunisia. He was a sex pest and a sex tourist, so he probably did sleep with people under 18, especially in France where the age of consent is 14. Apparently, he was a masochist who liked taking it in the ass. So it doesn't align with his psychological profile either.
Their exact age doesnt really matter as much as the nature of Foucault`s relationships with them. Modern prostitution, underaged or not, is hardly comparable with ancient Greek pederasty, so I dont think that hiring rentboys has anything to do with nietzscheanism. In that regard Fucault seemed to behave like pedestrian sex tourist more than philosopher.
So you don't think is a power relation issue but my curiosity beats your morality thing
Iam a bit of a chud, so I do not consider equality in relationships to be the highest good that always balances the dangers and unequal benefits and losses for partners. And that equality is illusory in most transactions between sides of unequal wealth and social status anyway. So in order to assess the value of such relationships, I need to consider what benefits they bring to the parties and society at large.
Seems to me that, unlike ancient Greek pederasty in the context of its age, prostitution of the minors has no benefits that could possibly outweight its disadvantages.
He's not really the problem per say but the legions of morons he spawned who slavishly copy him are clogging up accademia with their bullshit
>he's not really the problem
>the consecuences of his actions are
dumb-dumb
All the twinks he knowingly gave HIV to while he was dying in the Bay Area.
History of Seuxality Volume 1 is the classic Foucault text but I find his late lectures far and away the most interesting part of his output, especially Society Must Be Defended.
You start somewhere else and you never come back.
Insert something into your ass. Doesn't really matter what.
he even looks like an evil pedo
He was into kids?
He was allegedly a brilliant man lol, but when he learned he contracted the bug that all the gays knew was sexually transmitted and a conseqence of a promiscuous drugged up lifestyle, he just said frick it I will infect take down every bdsm fetishist and twink down with me.
Source?
So did many other French philosophers of his time
Tunisian cemeteries
His pendulum, which was an early form of Tick Tock.
Fist him first