There is nothing convenient about them.
They are essentially a subformat of tier lists; they are just for ego-stroking and projecting your tastes to others while hopefully sparking discussion on the topic.
The most disturbing book I've read is Hogg by Samuel Delany which I'm disappointed does not seem to be on this list despite being not exactly obscure. I assume it would be around level 7 if it was included.
Which level are you? What would you say is the most disturbing book in the picture?
Level 5 for things I actually cared to read thoroughly (The Diary of a Rapist). The only book that has emotionally “disturbed” me is No Longer Human, which is surface tier but whatever.
You're right I didn't catch that. Surely it belongs lower than stuff like In Cold Blood, Junky and Crash?
just read the wiki for hogg christ what would compel someone to write that shit
>what would compel someone to write that shit
Actually a pretty interesting question in Delany's case. I always thought of it as some sort of critique of masculinity. For some context, his writing is usually explicitly politically progressive. Exploring themes like gender or having a female protagonist decades before such things were fashionable or would have accrued him any sort of cultural capital. Delany himself is gay and black and has also written non-fiction about his various sexual exploits e.g. hanging out with homeless men at the porn theatre. Not that we should necessarily view the text through the lens of the author's biography but it's probably worth mentioning. Some of his other writing is transgressive and perhaps he is influenced by Burroughs, but the style is less experimental (the afterword of Hogg compares it stylistically to the hardboiled detective novels of Raymond Chandler which I found interesting).
Why is the iceberg meme being used for this? Iceberg implies hidden or buried. You can find all of these books on Amazon, via interlibrary, or on Archive.org
Also, I'm glad Ass Goblins of Auschwitz made it to this list. It's the best lampoon of Holocaust survivor narratives ever written. Death to Israel.
Icebergs are not just about obscurity, but also about the severity and grittiness of the book in this case.
Icebergs are explicitly about obscurity. The further down you go on an iceberg the less visible it is; the whole point of icebergs as a symbol is that the visible, above-water portion of them is only a small fraction of the object's full mass. So with iceberg charts the top layer or two represent examples of the topic which anyone, even normies would know about. The further down you go, the more obscure the examples become, with only someone really deep into the topic being familiar with what is being mentioned.
Why is the iceberg meme being used for this? Iceberg implies hidden or buried. You can find all of these books on Amazon, via interlibrary, or on Archive.org
Also, I'm glad Ass Goblins of Auschwitz made it to this list. It's the best lampoon of Holocaust survivor narratives ever written. Death to Israel.
I thought people figured that the Voynich Manuscript was just some constructed language experiment who's main message is that you should take your medicine and bathe regularly.
IIRC the most recent suggestion put forth is that it is a women's health manual, written in a cypher because such things were frowned upon at the time. It's probably pure chance that the cypher ended up being nigh-indecipherable without the key.
Otherwise it was likely just some kook's made up inconsistent language used in a book about his autist fantasy world.
So, I was going through Level 2 and thinking "Gee, I guess I'm a level 1, because I haven't read any of these (saw a few of the movie adaptation though). But then I saw Survivor (Palahniuk) and was like "Ah, there's the baseme...oh, wait, SCUM Manifesto. Oh, wait, Unabomber Manifesto. So that's the bottom. Keep scrolling, nope, never heard of these, never...oh, hello Turner Diaries. And wait, is that Joyce Carol Oates Zombie? Well, shit, there's my bottom then. Yep, nothing in Gorepunk.
Then Ass Goblins of Auschwitz, which I ALMOST read, so I guess I'm d...Selected Writings of Antonin Artaud? Really? Antonin Artaud is somehow the deepest I go?
Wait, The Necronomicon? Which version? The Simon Necronomicon or the Hay Necronomicon? Because I've read both.
Wait, the Voynich Manuscript? Seriously? I've *looked* at it, but nobody can *read* it.
I know, my surprise was that this is level 9. I mean it's a book of weird but not particularly creepy drawings with indecipherable text. It's weird, but underwhelming as the creep factor goes.
I'm disappointed that this iceberg doesn't include The Iron Dream or Gas, Sewer, Electric or The Baby Jesus Dildo, and I'm extra disappointed that it swerves from some pretty decent extreme/bizarre fiction at 7 to bullshit occult homosexualry at 8 (and not even cool shit like Liber Null or anything buy A.O.Spare), to some experiments in cryptography/baffling art experiments at 9.
I heard of that book thanks to Trevor Moore and Zach Cregger from WKUK, haven't read it yet but they talked about it during a few streams and how much they wanted to adapt it into a film
Some of these authors should probably be preemptively incarcerated in an asylum, the fact that you can write an entire novel on such cruelty and depravity for shock and horror without any sort of larger point to make is concerning to say the least.
Like a third of these aren't even disturbing, they are just weepy or horror. And the bottom ones? those aren't even novels. Gigax is just a big copy of bible and Voynich is fricking gibberish and plant diagrams
Iceberg memes used to be better before zoomers ruined them, just like they ruined trollface.
Icebergs are just a convenient way to classify and structure similar entities.
There is nothing convenient about them.
They are essentially a subformat of tier lists; they are just for ego-stroking and projecting your tastes to others while hopefully sparking discussion on the topic.
The most disturbing book I've read is Hogg by Samuel Delany which I'm disappointed does not seem to be on this list despite being not exactly obscure. I assume it would be around level 7 if it was included.
true
They put it on Level 3
Level 5 for things I actually cared to read thoroughly (The Diary of a Rapist). The only book that has emotionally “disturbed” me is No Longer Human, which is surface tier but whatever.
You're right I didn't catch that. Surely it belongs lower than stuff like In Cold Blood, Junky and Crash?
>what would compel someone to write that shit
Actually a pretty interesting question in Delany's case. I always thought of it as some sort of critique of masculinity. For some context, his writing is usually explicitly politically progressive. Exploring themes like gender or having a female protagonist decades before such things were fashionable or would have accrued him any sort of cultural capital. Delany himself is gay and black and has also written non-fiction about his various sexual exploits e.g. hanging out with homeless men at the porn theatre. Not that we should necessarily view the text through the lens of the author's biography but it's probably worth mentioning. Some of his other writing is transgressive and perhaps he is influenced by Burroughs, but the style is less experimental (the afterword of Hogg compares it stylistically to the hardboiled detective novels of Raymond Chandler which I found interesting).
just read the wiki for hogg christ what would compel someone to write that shit
Codex gigas is just the Bible, it's not a disturbing novel
Tomino’s hell is not obscure, lol
Icebergs are not just about obscurity, but also about the severity and grittiness of the book in this case.
No that's what it means in the scope of OP's meme. But that's erzatz bullshit.
DIE DIE DIE DIE YOU MOTHERFRICKER DIE DID DIE wienerSUCKING SONOFABITCH.
Icebergs are explicitly about obscurity. The further down you go on an iceberg the less visible it is; the whole point of icebergs as a symbol is that the visible, above-water portion of them is only a small fraction of the object's full mass. So with iceberg charts the top layer or two represent examples of the topic which anyone, even normies would know about. The further down you go, the more obscure the examples become, with only someone really deep into the topic being familiar with what is being mentioned.
Why is the iceberg meme being used for this? Iceberg implies hidden or buried. You can find all of these books on Amazon, via interlibrary, or on Archive.org
Also, I'm glad Ass Goblins of Auschwitz made it to this list. It's the best lampoon of Holocaust survivor narratives ever written. Death to Israel.
I thought people figured that the Voynich Manuscript was just some constructed language experiment who's main message is that you should take your medicine and bathe regularly.
This is what ~~*they*~~ want you to believe. But the piquant minds keep digging.
IIRC the most recent suggestion put forth is that it is a women's health manual, written in a cypher because such things were frowned upon at the time. It's probably pure chance that the cypher ended up being nigh-indecipherable without the key.
Otherwise it was likely just some kook's made up inconsistent language used in a book about his autist fantasy world.
Programmed To Kill. I own it and have looked through it. dread the day I have to read it
So, I was going through Level 2 and thinking "Gee, I guess I'm a level 1, because I haven't read any of these (saw a few of the movie adaptation though). But then I saw Survivor (Palahniuk) and was like "Ah, there's the baseme...oh, wait, SCUM Manifesto. Oh, wait, Unabomber Manifesto. So that's the bottom. Keep scrolling, nope, never heard of these, never...oh, hello Turner Diaries. And wait, is that Joyce Carol Oates Zombie? Well, shit, there's my bottom then. Yep, nothing in Gorepunk.
Then Ass Goblins of Auschwitz, which I ALMOST read, so I guess I'm d...Selected Writings of Antonin Artaud? Really? Antonin Artaud is somehow the deepest I go?
Wait, The Necronomicon? Which version? The Simon Necronomicon or the Hay Necronomicon? Because I've read both.
Wait, the Voynich Manuscript? Seriously? I've *looked* at it, but nobody can *read* it.
How the frick am I on level 9?
The Voynich Manuscript is pretty famous tbh
I know, my surprise was that this is level 9. I mean it's a book of weird but not particularly creepy drawings with indecipherable text. It's weird, but underwhelming as the creep factor goes.
I'm disappointed that this iceberg doesn't include The Iron Dream or Gas, Sewer, Electric or The Baby Jesus Dildo, and I'm extra disappointed that it swerves from some pretty decent extreme/bizarre fiction at 7 to bullshit occult homosexualry at 8 (and not even cool shit like Liber Null or anything buy A.O.Spare), to some experiments in cryptography/baffling art experiments at 9.
Harassment Architecture is in the right place but Gothic Violence should be a level or two down
Tomino’s hell is not obscure
Why is The Lesser Key of Solomon “Utterly Insane”?? I’m guessing they haven’t read it lol
Anyone read Behead All Satans and if so what is it about
a realistic journey into skitzo. it's also an indie classic
Je suis Charlie
It looks like there isn't even one good book in this picture.
Post one (1) good book.
>The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect
nice
incest gore snuff porn disguised as scifi
not bad though
I heard of that book thanks to Trevor Moore and Zach Cregger from WKUK, haven't read it yet but they talked about it during a few streams and how much they wanted to adapt it into a film
RIP Trevor
atheist literature be like
>shit frick satan murder gaysex abortion
i hope y’all grew out of this past adolescence
couldnt be more accurate
Juliette is better and edgier than both Justine and 120 days of sodom
What book would you recommend if I wanted the literature equivalent to something like Cannibal Holocaust, the Faces of Death, or A Serbian Film.
Some of these authors should probably be preemptively incarcerated in an asylum, the fact that you can write an entire novel on such cruelty and depravity for shock and horror without any sort of larger point to make is concerning to say the least.
The desert encroaches on all sides, woe to those who hold the desert within. - Friedrich Nietzsche
I too can say things so empty of meaning that they loop around to a perfect template for a metaphor thanks to the power of interpretation
Jams Allen? the English self help guy?
Like a third of these aren't even disturbing, they are just weepy or horror. And the bottom ones? those aren't even novels. Gigax is just a big copy of bible and Voynich is fricking gibberish and plant diagrams
Assgoblins of Auschwitz is alright, but have you blokes ever read Cannibals of Candyland?
>Lesser Key of Solomon
LMAO, it's disturbing if you're an old church lady I guess.
I'm above normie
Proud to say none but Maldoro which I thought was interesting though terrible.
Maybe I missed Sade, but I also think he's not that good either.
>lost sade manuscripts
how do you even read something that's lost
Looks like the lowest I've read is Obscene Bird of the Night. Aka a Faulkner book but in South America
WHERE do i find these books
I tried reading Babyfricker but it was absolute gratuitous nonsense