Which one of these three is the best?

I'm going to have a free week, which one of these books should I read then?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    War and Peace

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This changed my view of the world. Brothers Karamazov was a good read.
      Don't know Les Miserables

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        what exactly changed? do you have belief now?

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    War and Peace is the clear best, but Les Miserables and Brothers Karamazov have more emotional highs.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I recently finished war and peace and am halfway through Les miserables. Haven’t read brothers Karamazov, but I’m gonna agree with this anon about the two I have read.

      The character development in war and peace is incredible and there are incredibly charming moments. Les miserables definitely has less character development but indeed has some cliffhanger and tear jerking tier moments. They’re both incredible writers

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    is les mis worth reading if the other two are two of your all time favourites?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you'll definitely enjoy Mis if you liked BK. IIRC both Tolstoy and Dosto were big fans of Hugo (I think Tolstoy liked Notre Dame more)

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Notre Dame over Les Mis
        Tolstoy was smoking crack

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    i really liked war and peace, it's simultaneously depressing and liberating
    >don't try to be a hero or change the world just find a nice girl and put some babies in her

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    i have not read war and peace but i love the other two. my personal recc would be les mis

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bros frick the other two up the ass

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why?
      I know what Les Mis and W&P are about, but what's so special about Brothers?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's existencial. And it reaches Christian dogma in a significant way. And its damn good prose

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's an intense psychological murder mystery which pretty openly grapples with the Big Questions, and somehow does so while maintaining the drama.

        The most famous part of the book is Ivan's two monologues against Christianity, which are together maybe the greatest "villain" speech in history and can be read on their own independent of the novel. Check it out if you're curious: https://godandgoodlife.nd.edu/assets/261108/rebellion_brothers_karamazov.pdf

        Ivan is the older brother, a well-known socialist intellectual, Alyosha the much-younger brother who's a novice at a monastery. No other context needed.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    War and Peace is a masterpiece compared to the other two. Probably one of the best books ever written in mankind’s history.

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anna Karenina

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Trying to keep an open mind, but is Anna Karenina meant for women the same way as another romance book like Wuthering Heights or Madame Bovary?
      Would a male reader still find a lot to enjoy in it?

      I've gotten apprehensive about reading yet another classic romantic novel about an aristocratic woman lusting after some dude against the strict confines and expectations of 19th century society.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Would a male reader still find a lot to enjoy in it?
        Definitely. There are multiple side plots and it's debatable if Anna is even the main character. And I'm really not sure I would call Madame Bovary "romance", it maybe technically is but it's fricking weird, Flaubert has withering contempt for his heroine and every single other character.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anna's story is definitely something women would enjoy focusing on, but only a woman would be reading it for annas story anyway.

        basically despite the book being named after her, her story is only half of the book, and her half literally exists specifically as an aide to compare and contrast with the story of Levin, who is Tolstoy's self insert and the actual main character of the book, and given that function, it makes it more bearable for someone who isnt really interested in reading that sort of thing,
        levins half of the book is what is really good. the book isnt held in such high regaurd because le sad adulterous roastie story, its held in such a high regaurd for Levins story, which easily includes some of the best content Tolstoy ever wrote

        basically i would say yes there is some of the content that you wont be interested in i guess, but if you are willing to keep an pen mind, consider that its really only there as a means to an end. Levins half of the book is where you get the actual real meaningful content, the central themes of the book show through in his story, the book ends with the resolution of his story, not the resolution of annas story etc.

        so if you actually are willing to keep an open mind, i would say definitely go for it. Personally i thought war and peace was all around more enjoyable in a broader sense, but anna karennina had some extremely high highs for me and was certainly a tighter and more refined piece

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not a "women's novel" and is told from a mans point of view.
        It's a "she got what she fricking deserved" novel.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It's a "she got what she fricking deserved" novel.
          which automatically disqualifies it as a novel for women

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Anna Karenina faithfully portrays what happens when a woman fricks around and then finds out. It's majestic in it's exploration of every aspect of the ensuing events (don't want to spoil too much, it's definitely an all time great novel).

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    War and Peace>The Brothers Karamazov>Les Misérables

    The Hunchback of Notre Dame>Les Misérables

    Les Misérables abridged>Les Misérables unabridged

    There I said it.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I dont think the digressions in Les Miserables are such a big deal. They are all tied to the story. The worst offenders are probably Waterloo's which is overlong and the convent one was tedious. The argot digression would be more interesting if I spoke french. But come on, most of them aren't longer than 20 pages

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I personally like the digressions and it’s unironically pushing be toward reading life of the saints and the Bible and to read more in depth about the napoleonic wars.

        i really liked war and peace, it's simultaneously depressing and liberating
        >don't try to be a hero or change the world just find a nice girl and put some babies in her

        Based

        Brothers K gets my vote. War and Peace is too much of a soap opera.

        Pffff how can you reduce it to mere soap opera
        >the swaggering chad scoundrels dolokhov and kuragin
        >the bumbling psued intellectual beta Pierre who has been too far removed from the essence of life by unearned wealth and married used goods in the end
        >the unreflectively sage kutuzov who wins wars by reading vibes from his generals
        >the proto-bawd Natasha who Tolstoy somehow details her dicky sexual anxieties with extreme accuracy

        The characters are wonderful and charming. When they all go to that huntsmans house in costumes was so heartwarming

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're really not selling the position that W&P isn't a soap opera. AK is the same thing tbh.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not a soap opera because calling something a soap opera means it's bad. It implies cheap melodrama and unrealistic plotlines churned out by second-rate writers for an undiscerning audience. A book doesn't become a soap opera just because it has family drama, something like Middlemarch would be much closer but it's not a soap opera either because it's good.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It implies cheap melodrama and unrealistic plotlines churned out by second-rate writers for an undiscerning audience.
            Tolstoy to a T.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dumb

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            why must you antagonize?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            you gon cry?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tolstoy was 10 times the writer Dostoyevsky was, Dostotard.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're very different, and both extremely good. One thing that's true is that Dostoevsky is much less realistic and more melodramatic than Tolstoy. It's probably fair to say that when it comes to pure writing skill Tolstoy is a lot better. But Dostoevsky is definitely the better "thinker", I guess you could say. Tolstoy's philosophizing in War and Peace can't be taken seriously, he declares almost without argument that military tactics, strategy and leadership are fake as a blatant dig against Napoleon. It only works if you treat him as a character in the book, the sort of pompous narrator getting carried away by patriotism and the Russian Spirit.

            Dostoevsky, on the other hand, has been taken dead-seriously as an original thinker by philosophers, theologians, psychologists, probably more than any other novelist.

            Unfortunately these are all cliche observations, Tolstoy vs Dostoevsky has been debated for so long it's hard to find anything original to say

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            They're very different, and both extremely good. One thing that's true is that Dostoevsky is much less realistic and more melodramatic than Tolstoy. It's probably fair to say that when it comes to pure writing skill Tolstoy is a lot better. But Dostoevsky is definitely the better "thinker", I guess you could say. Tolstoy's philosophizing in War and Peace can't be taken seriously, he declares almost without argument that military tactics, strategy and leadership are fake as a blatant dig against Napoleon. It only works if you treat him as a character in the book, the sort of pompous narrator getting carried away by patriotism and the Russian Spirit.

            Dostoevsky, on the other hand, has been taken dead-seriously as an original thinker by philosophers, theologians, psychologists, probably more than any other novelist.

            Unfortunately these are all cliche observations, Tolstoy vs Dostoevsky has been debated for so long it's hard to find anything original to say

            I do want to add that one point to Dostoevsky's writing is that it's somehow aged extremely well. Tolstoy, despite his later radicalism, is in his novels on the side of the normies. He'll show some happy wholesome family scene and interject with proclamations about the Nature of Women or whatever. Dostoevsky writes about conflicted, mentally-ill freaks (see: the average IQfy poster) waging some internal struggle against nihilism, which he saw as the scourge of his time and is definitely the scourge of ours. He has a good sense for the "twisted", the whole Hannibal Lecter mind-of-a-killer thing is sort descends pretty directly from his books.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He'll show some happy wholesome family scene and interject with proclamations about the Nature of Women or whatever.
            Tolstoy despised women, you moron.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's oversimplification to the point of just being wrong, and also doesn't contradict what I said.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            cringe

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I almost fell for it and responded to this seriously. You really had my hopes up. But no, it's just the ghost of Vladimir Nabokov rising from the grave to troll me on IQfy again. Unfortunate.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I do think Nabokov is partly right though, Dostoyevsky's slavophilia blinded to some aspects of reality.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can sort of see his point but if he thinks Crime and Punishment is banal I'm honestly fine with being a philistine by his standards. I didn't have that reaction at all, it honestly blew my mind a bit, and I think I've learned a lot from reading Dostoevsky.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Keep in mind that Nabokov was an effete aristocrat aesthete that never experienced the grosser forms of suffering his entire life. His writing and tastes reflect this. Dostoevsky was sent to a labor camp in Siberia and was almost executed. He lost a child. He endured poverty, addiction, madness, sickness, humiliation and terror. His writing and tastes reflect this.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I do think Nabokov is partly right though, Dostoyevsky's slavophilia blinded to some aspects of reality.

            I can sort of see his point but if he thinks Crime and Punishment is banal I'm honestly fine with being a philistine by his standards. I didn't have that reaction at all, it honestly blew my mind a bit, and I think I've learned a lot from reading Dostoevsky.

            Keep in mind that Nabokov was an effete aristocrat aesthete that never experienced the grosser forms of suffering his entire life. His writing and tastes reflect this. Dostoevsky was sent to a labor camp in Siberia and was almost executed. He lost a child. He endured poverty, addiction, madness, sickness, humiliation and terror. His writing and tastes reflect this.

            Dosto is essentially sadomasochistic, he loves dwelling on characters who revel in how depraved they are, but who also prostrate themselves in the just punishment or humiliation of their depravity. Again, sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes imply the exact situation he adored, all the violence and sexual intrigue he desired so much, but with the approval of his super ego since they ritualistically degrade themselves in a kind of spiritual fetishistic pleasure in confessing, being punished, and then being "redeemed". It's lurid and partakes of a sick kind of gratification in self flagellation.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dostoyevsky was a christian, you moron

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            But conflicted characters in Dostoevsky are more like a literary device to explore his ideas rather than something to be amusing or intriguing in itself

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's definitely both. Do you remember this scene from Crime and Punishment?:
            >"I don't believe in a future life," said Raskolnikov.

            >Svidrigailov sat lost in thought.

            >"And what if there are only spiders there, or something of that sort," he said suddenly.

            >"He is a madman," thought Raskolnikov.

            >"We always imagine eternity as something beyond our conception, something vast, vast! But why must it be vast? Instead of all that, what if it's one little room, like a bath house in the country, black and grimy and spiders in every corner, and that's all eternity is? I sometimes fancy it like that."

            >"Can it be you can imagine nothing juster and more comforting than that?" Raskolnikov cried, with a feeling of anguish.

            >"Juster? And how can we tell, perhaps that is just, and do you know it's what I would certainly have made it," answered Svidrigailov, with a vague smile.

            >This horrible answer sent a cold chill through Raskolnikov. Svidrigailov raised his head, looked at him, and suddenly began laughing.

            So yes, this ties into his philosophical/religious point, but also what a deliciously nasty bit of characterization. You could have a character say something like that just to entertain an audience, and there's no way that's not part of why Dostoevsky did it. It's too perfect.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            i would absolutely agree that he was a much more talented writter n a technical level but he is imo not nearly as smart and level headed as dosto and it shows through his later writings where he gets high as frick on ideology and the "secular miracle" and loses the plot. it makes me really sad because i really do love many of his works very deeply

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Waterloo was definitely the worst part when it came to the essays. Holy shit, 80 fricking pages. At least the following chapters were some of the best in the book.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brothers K gets my vote. War and Peace is too much of a soap opera.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Practically everything Dosto wrote is a melodrama, and yet you are turned off by Tolstoy's work being "too much of a soap opera"???

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Les Miserables >>> War and Peace
    Haven't Read Karamazov, but have read Crime and Punishment, and War and Peace > Crime and Punishment for me.

    Imo, the digressions are part of what makes Les Miserables so great - reading those essays helped me get into non fiction and philosophy after exclusively reading fiction. Also, lots of gutwrenching scenes, death of Fantine, death of Valjean, death of the ABC Society

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not read Les mis, war and peace though

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can just read Great Inquisitor from Brothers and decide for yourself.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    From someone who has read all three of them twice: Les Miserables takes the win. The other two are still very, very good though.

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing stopping me from reading Les Mis is that the daughter figure character gets married in the end and I hate that.

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brothers Karamazov easily. It is overhyped but is unironically maybe #1 book of all time

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