Ok, this is IQfy Literature actually involves reading guys. Read this book, or just a chapter and come back to tell me what you think about it.
Don’t just give me your bullshit opinion. I guarantee you’ll sound stupid and this trans women has a better argument then the average anon here.
https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/julia-serano/pdf-epub-whipping-girl-a-transsexual-woman-on-sexism-and-the-scapegoating-of-femininity-download-25238662033/
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>atheist writes a book
>it's about sex
You’re stuck in the 1800s and Illiterate
>troony writes a book.
>It's about sex.
Ftfy
What’s it about?
Kinda a transsexual manifesto. Explains medical history and an individuals experiences of being trans. Their thoughts on what it means to be trans and how society reacts to it. I don’t agree with all of her conclusions and wanted some other people to read through it and tell me what they think. I found an old kiwi farm archive of them talking about it, but I don’t really trust those guys.
>Their
>her
>them
Ywnbaw
>putting the hottest sorority bawd at the front of the photo
>putting the fatties in the background
A troony trying to claim that the transphobia she faces is actually a form of misogyny, even though nobody sees her as a woman of any type.
The question is did she do that because agps are simps for females or to be taken seriously in queer theory, a field dominated by feminists?
I do think she is right about that though. Men who are week ass pussies get beat because they are, l”acting like a girl.” Any softness, vulnerability, or femininity gets beat out of you at a young age when you’re a boy. “That’s for girls” they tell us, but really they just hate feminity.
Part of that is a correct observation, but only if you ignore all the positive traits women can have and the fact that being extremely forgiving of women's negative traits is the opposite of misogyny.
Men aren't generally criticized as feminine when they correctly apply compassion to understand, assist, and care for those around them, or for producing good art. Doing almost any job WELL is considered manly. It's just being weak and attention whoring and valuing appearance over substance that men get shit on for.
Considering femininity to be only "what's not acceptable for men" kind of shouts that it came from an intensely male perspective, no?
that's because homosexuals like you make society weak
>her
>she
Wow, another illiterate idiot who only knows how to express their opinions through memes. It’s so sad to meet people on the internet who never learned how to read and write past a 2nd grade level. Go back to ifunny you plebeian.
Nobody cares about your book on mentall illness, this shit doesnt even belong on IQfy. take it to /lgbt/ thats the containment for mentally ill homosexuals such as urself.
Is that a Self portrait?
People are clearly discussing it seriously anon- stop being a Mong and argue correctly.
In case you hadn't noticed, memes are a very effective vehicle for expressing opinions.
Anyway, trannies have no sound reason to call anyone "idiot," given that they, along with every other genus of homosexual, disappear childless at the end of life. Reproduction's a b***h, isn't it?
Ok, simpleton.
>if you hate disgusting freaks whose entire existence is a lie and an attack on natural human values you're an illiterate idiot
Of course the literal monster who thinks man can be women, doesn't understand logical fallacies and non sequiturs but relies on ad homs instead. He also doesn't understand memes, as long as they're used to send a transphobic message.
>Calls others illiterate.
>Uses lower case i for internet.
The word Internet is a proper noun, homosexual.
Nta, but that’s how it’s stylised on the website dipshit.
who uses proper punctuation and grammar on the internet lmao fricking nerdddd!
Joke's on her, because embracing transwomen is the ultimate "frick you" to women. Stealing femininity from women is a rebellion against female power(which is a soft power, but one that is absolutely everywhere).
The Chud and the troony are made for each other. They just haven't figured it out yet.
She has a whole chapter on this… it’s in the book. If you want to read it. She doesn’t see them quite as opposing forces as much as you do though.
I don't think they are opposing forces. I think they're essentially two sides of the same coin. Low value men who weren't having their sexual identity needs met by women who rejected them.
Some compensate by being really fricking hateful and aggressive about it all, and some compensate by trying to become women.
Funny, this dropped into my lap, while I was reading this thread
I think that pretty much sums up the female perspective. The "chud" and the "troony" are both just low value men that they want out of their spaces.
And there's a lot of unsaid implications about female power here. That they're owed some kind of right to not have to endure the proximity of men they think are beneath their level of value.
>That they're owed some kind of right to not have to endure the proximity of men they think are beneath their level of value.
The only reason why I humor troons at all is to frick with the feminists who created them in the first place. Transgenderism is the ultimate destination of declaring different social norms for men and women being totally arbitrary oppression. Instead of facing up to the consequences of their actions they just seethe with more man hating like the video you posted. As gross and moronic as trannies are they're much smaller and less important than the shithead feminists who have been shitting up the culture and have been hostile to me for no reason my entire life. So I'm going to side with trannies over terfs. Hate Has No Home Here!
>So I'm going to side with trannies over terfs.
Weak beta males always do this, because they themselves are weak losers who tear down outgoing, gregarious men.
If you're a man and you're a rad fem you're definitely not a le epic chad. Feminists being harassed by monsters they themselves created in their pursuit of harassing men is not my problem. Why would I help people who hate me for no reason? Why would I intervene when my enemies are fighting?
At first feminists loved troons because they saw it as a symbol of victory, they had henpecked these men so much they were literally castrating themselves and brainwashing themselves into thinking they're women.
>If you're a man and you're a rad fem you're definitely not a le epic chad.
Hey homosexual, if a woman isn't sucking my dick, why the FRICK would I care what she says?
Maybe she's warning you about a truck that's going to run you over?
I grew up watching LiveLeak homosexual, I have heightened danger awareness
>LiveLeak
That does not prepare you for danger irl or give you dad reflexes. Only thing I learned from sites like that was how to draw gore well… damn I really miss those videos. Where did they all go?
They pretended to love troons because looking more virtuous than their peers increased their social status. It was a power play.
Just put on a skirt and say you're white hispanic, idiot. You could even change your last name to Goldberg Sanchez if you really wanted to diversitymaxx.
Have you heard of transmaxxing? Some incels do exactly what you describe and become the girlfriend they could never have.
That's misandry, not misogyny.
He has male pattern baldness lmfao
Imagine compromising to be accepted in the hebrew dystopia
ters dont dislike trannies because they're trannies, they dislike them because they're men
why ever agree with someone that hates you?
the terfs that hate trannies are the same one who hate all outgoing, gregarious men and wouldn't look even allow them to speak to them (unless they were born with Chad height or face)
>wouldn't look even allow them to speak to them (unless they were born with Chad height or face)
Know your place then, I'm 6'3 and fricked tons of b***hes, your entire worldview comes from jealousy. Try this: Get rich. Guess what? You could mog people on getting pussy if you were rich, dipshit. Fricking dork.
everyone on the entire planet is trying to "get rich" you fricking dorkass and none of it matters. Guess what, none gets to frick any of these b***hes unless they were born in a way the women want them to be born. Their entire worldview is just based around wiener coming into their hole, nothing else.
Women are just fricking cretins
Women literally love trannies though. Their entire movement is only so big because women keep supporting it and crying about “homophobia” and “transphobia” every opportunity they get.
Women hate trannies, it's just that their social norms don't allow them to say it. They are raised to be polite and avoid conflict at any cost particularly if being impolite could hurt someone vulnerable.
You see, trannies have weaponized real women's maternal instincts by larping as vulnerable morons. Women won't bluntly tell them to frick off because it would be like telling an obnoxious child with down's syndrome to frick off. The whole debate is about whether or not it's okay to hurt the feelings of people with fricked up brains. Picture related, it's how naive women see tranners.
>Women literally love trannies though.
Women love trannies up until the point that trannies start making demands of them. Women being against this now is entirely based on self-interest. It's just that terfs are ahead of curve on realising how much of a nuisance trannies are for women, and how gender ideology will actually deconstruct the privileges that women have in western society.
>She
Are you actually talking to urself or did you invite your other mentally ill discord friends? YWNBAW. Honestly why do you still bother deluding urself especially on this site were no one is gonna take you seriously?
that's a dude my homie
I unironically dont give a shit
Valid. Prefer someone like you over someone that shouts nonsense into the void. Idiots don’t read, don’t know jack shit about nothin’ and just run their mouth.
Ngl the author of this book actually passed. As a very ugly woman, of course.
Still YWNBAW is a better argument than anything written in that book.
Passing...you call this passing? I'm convinced troons eyes are broken with all the obvious males they consider "passing"
Maybe you should go outside, touch grass, and see what real women look like someday. Not every women looks like they come straight out of a porno. People, including women, come in all sorts of shapes and sizes (aka also ugly).
His hairline is receding so far back he has a sixhead, blind moron.
This is a woman in 2024. Get over it, chud.
The israelites won when they convinced the west that men can be women if their costume serves the establishment.
Less bull shit. More literature.
The song is literally about writing a novel:
I work, do you?
I'm with that guy.
Some women are so ugly they look like troony freaks, and troony freaks sometimes can pass to the degree that they look like disgusting women.
I read the first 2 chapters. The issues discussed are still more or less the norm in my mind but I will admit that I am not trans and do not admittedly care enough to keep going. This should not be interpreted in a malicious way, I do not mean it to be malicious but rather taken in a literal context. There are 2 biological sexes, male/female, and some statistical abnormalities known as intersexed individuals who have chromosome problems. The actual number of intersexed individuals who exist are not enough to account for the number of people who identify and they tend to seek medical treatments to align closer to one or the other, the number is so small I will continue with saying male and female. I fully recognize and understand that gender and gender norms are constructs. Identity is also a construct. So any individual who wishes to display different gender norms from their biological sex because they want to is more than welcome to do so, they are just constructs anyhow. The invention of all these different terms is just meaningless headache, identity is a construct. The individual is still presented with the same existential search for meaning that literally every other person is presented with and they are no different than anyone else, despite what they have convinced themselves of. I am not interested in passing any moral judgement either, they are the same as everyone else, otherwise they must start stipulating that the aforementioned concepts are not constructs, and this logic destroys their entire argument. Insofar as the largesse of the capitalist system has afforded some of these individuals to seek out medicinal options for distorting their biological sex I have no power over this. If an individual wants to spend the money to become distorted they are welcome to do so from my perspective with the same existential struggle that athletes who become dependent on steroids struggle with. When it comes to social recognition there is a different bar that must be passed. If a mtf or ftm wants to be socially recognized as whatever they see themselves to be in their mind then they must transition in such a way as to remove doubt and be able to fully pass as the opposite sex. If they spend the necessary amount of money to do this then they will likely not have to announce it. If they do not and are unable to cross this bar then they cannot be terribly mad that there is no social recognition. This is no different than being refused service at a gas station for trying to walk in naked. If social norms and mores change enough to where passable appearance is not required anymore then so be it, until such a time it is hard for me to interpret much of this as anything other than complaining. I do sympathize with the author in regards to feminists, they are colossal c**ts, and transsexuals are automatically better than a feminist or any feminist for that matter.
Ok we have the same take away. I have friends that are trans so I read the book for them, but I really think the same way you do.
Frick off with this mentally ill israeli shit.
Anon you’re telling me you don’t read, without telling me you don’t read. You have to at least understand the other side before criticizing it. Otherwise, you just sound like a gay.
Frick off, post nose
How about I just kill you instead, how about that
We can kill each other, it would be so romantic.
Check out the hottest new troony op-ed being pushed by the American regime.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trans-rights-biological-sex-gender-judith-butler.html
>What does this freedom look like in practice? Let anyone change their sex. Let anyone change their gender. Let anyone change their sex again. Let trans girls play sports, regardless of their sex status. If they excel, this means only that some girls are better at sports than others. Let people use the gender-segregated facilities of their choice; desegregate whenever possible. Do not out children to their parents. Do not force anyone to change their sex or their gender. Give everyone health care... That trans kids’ access to care will in most cases be mediated by parents or legal guardians is an inescapable fact of the way our society regards children, rightly or not. For now, parents must learn to treat their kids as what they are: human beings capable of freedom.
>If we are to recognize the rights of trans kids, we will also have to accept that, like us, they have a right to the hazards of their own free will. This does not mean shooting testosterone into every toddler who looks at a football. But if children are too young to consent to puberty blockers, then they are definitely too young to consent to puberty, which is a drastic biological upheaval in its own right.
There's a point to be made, but we also kind of need normal people to keep being born and cultivated. It's utilitarian, and slightly uncaring, but do you want human beings to keep existing, or not?
That's why raising a kid to be normal is more morally correct than raising one to be a troon. It serves an end, and the end is the continuation of the species.
Frick's sake. We're going to end up with another Hitler because of this type of shit.
>we're not interested in your kids, that's a far-right conspiracy theory
>but we are going to have major publications disseminate our arguments for why your children should have the right to chemically castrate themselves independent of parental input
You laugh, but you're just proving that you're move of a gay then the transexual who wrote this book.
At least this person has a work ethic, delved into philosophy, tried to deconstruct the social contract. What have you done with your life? You just post shitty memes on a website and have nothing in between your ears. Can't even do a 5th grade level of basic research.
Written 3 books already homo, you will never be a woman.
Because I'm a straight white guy who has fricked tons of chicks and has kids, the establishment punishes me, while if you're a fricking homosexual who calls himself a woman and wears a woman costume, then the system uplifts you. Frick you.
Dude… I’m actually a dis women who was reading this book because I have trans friends. Link your books. I wanna see if they are good or shit.
post hands
🙂
>Tell me what you think
>Don't give me your bullshit opinion
Huh?
The website link can't confirm that I'm a human, so I have to give at least the hosting a negative review, since I'm not a web crawler. Well I am a web crawler, but a human one.
From what I've scanningly read on Wikipedia about the book in question:
>It has a lot of gender studies jargon, fitting, given the subject
>She should keep writing, ascend to greatness and out of the victim role hellpit and the style will refine more
This is humanshit advice instead of bullshit advice. I can't read everything posted here. The book will have its niche and its merits, as well as its downsides and discussionable themes and ideas, as does every book.
>FTFY
So I haven't read it but the description sounds whack.
>Serano shares her experiences and observations–both pre- and post-transition–to reveal the ways in which fear, suspicion, and dismissiveness toward femininity shape our societal attitudes toward trans women, as well as gender and sexuality as a whole
Yet the author looks like chris-chan and has stereotypical male interests like biology. Nobody is judging him for being too feminine, he's a weird delulu autogynephile who doesn't know the first thing about how genuinely feminine males get treated.
Your writing style clocks you
Thanks, I guess.
Do you frequent bodegas?
>bodegas
I had to Google what that was, but yes I like wine.
Did a child ever clock you there?
Your question doesn’t make any sense.
Lurk moar.
Damn, did you really think I was trans? You’re more of an idiot then I thought. And I rather read actually books then read through all the shit that’s spewed here. People here actually used to read, even if they didn’t agree with the author they would at least read it.
No, the original anon did and I was trying to get you to recognize the reference he was making. You're a faceless stranger on the internet.
Oh, in that case thanks.
>yOu HaVe to LiSTEn tO MeeEe
I actually find her/him really hot.
She was actually super cute before she sewed a thighskin dick to her crotch.
>my face is the sort of glowy you see in felons.
I like that line.
This thread has gone to hell. I’m going to side with the mentally illl Tran women because she is less stupid then you fricks. If you would actually read any of the book you would see how stupid your argument looks. I was looking for some good critiques guys not this bullshit.
Frick off, Julian.
Juvenile back-and-forth, here we go.
>Juvenile back-and-forth, here we go.
Stay away from juveniles.
A straw man fallacy, wonderful.
You made an argument?
here's the critique: there are two sexes. they are based in biological fact. it is impossible to changes between them. men are born with xy chromosomes. women are born with xx chromosomes.
you are a man. you will always be a man. you were born a man and you will die a man.
and so will the author of this cumrag you want us to "critique."
Don't forget the guy who laid the foundation of gender ideology, coining the prominent terms still in use today, was a quack whose major experiment lead to the suicide of his subject (not to mention the fact he made the kid and his twin brother pose naked in sexual positions and took pictures).
They turned their degenerate fetish into a political ideology and expect us to take them seriously in any capacity. Imagine if footgays went around trying to force people to show feet and then cried oppression when rightfully told to frick off, and then the government takes the side of the footgays. That's the kind of bizarro world we're living in and trannies think we can't see it
this is literally it lol, it's not even that they're trannies, it's that they've turned it into a quasi-nationalist ideology. their identity is only that their trannies, all rules of gender must be changed in every country to accommodate this ideology, and if you disagree they will cry about trans genocide
No. I wont click on any link that might help a troony's career.
It would actually be doing the opposite because it’s piracy.
A troony is a man in a costume that you're forced by the state to acknowledge as a woman instead of a man playing pretend
>The supremest moment in a woman's life, when her original nature, her natural desire manifests itself, is that in which her own sexual union takes place. She embraces the man passionately and presses him to her; it is the greatest joy of passivity, stronger even than the contented feeling of a hypnotised person, the desire of matter which has just been formed, and wishes to keep that form for ever. That is why a woman is so grateful to her possessor, even if the gratitude is limited to the moment, as in the case of prostitutes with no memory, or, if it lasts longer, as in the case of more highly differentiated women.
>This endless striving of the poor to attach themselves to riches, the altogether formless and therefore super-individual striving of the inarticulate to obtain form by contact, to keep it indefinitely and so gain an existence
>The meaning of woman is to be meaningless. She represents negation, the opposite pole from the Godhead, the other possibility of humanity. And so nothing is so despicable as a man become female, and such a person will be regarded as the supreme criminal even by himself.
>An old woman manifests once for all what woman really is. The beauty of woman, as may be experimentally proved, is only created by love of a man; a woman becomes more beautiful when a man loves her because she is passively responding to the will which is in her lover; however deep this may sound, it is only a matter of everyday experience.
>All the qualities of woman depend on her non-existence, on her want of character; because she has no true, permanent, but only a mortal life, in her character as the advocate of pairing she furthers the sexual part of life, and is fundamentally transformed by and susceptible to the man who has a physical influence over her
Make your own thread for a different book.
I meant to reply to you directly here
, but it really is startling that Weininger isn't mentioned at all....
*sigh* ok, I’ll give Weininger a read, but I bet he was not mention because a lot of the work of men from that time period, especially ones that philosophized about human nature, has been expounded upon or disproven. He probably laid the foundation of important work going into the 20th century and asked a lot of questions that payved the way to answers we found later in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s , and 80s. I doubt he will have any revelations.
The one thing that may be different about him is he's really writing a religious text, so much that he considered himself a failure at philosophy and became obsessed with becoming a 'Redeemer'. The real revelations are less in standard sociology and more in something like Ellul, as Ellul was influenced by him through Nikolai Berdyaev. The threats that Ellul warned of were first realized as the type of sex ego in an educated free populace that Ibsen farced. Ibsen, for Weininger, was the first person to hold a mirror to this growing sex narcissism. And to Weininger Ibsen and Kant were the same. Weininger was still fully committed to Kantism which the later existentialists all abandoned. He rivals a lot of the pan-psychism and Spinozists that dominated later 20th century existentialism after Kant got blamed for the world wars
>*sigh*
posting from the Castro, homosexual?
I searched Weininger's name in the text and there's nothing about him. Pretty disappointing tbh because it really doesn't make sense to me how someone could write a book about such topics without reacting to him. He predicted the discovery of sex hormones 30 years before they were isolated, all through Kantian deduction. He was the first public intellectual to argue against sex assignment at birth. So much of how we look at masculinity and femininity as abstract philosophical concepts is downwind from his original conceptions. Except people have taken it into a Roman/latinized direction when he was more Greek/Christian, oriental in his sentiments but rhetorically aryan in his methods
Found the author photo
>HE HAS A FRICKING MUSIC VIDEO!!!!!
LMAO
LMAO
LMAO
>I WAS IN A BAR IN SO-MA
>WRITING IN MY LAP-TOP
>WHEN THIS GUY CAME OV-ER
>HE ASKED ME WHAT I WAS DO-ING
>I LOOKED UP SOMEWHAT
>AHH-NOID
>AND SAID "I'M WORKING ON A NOV-EL"
That was terrible. Troons can't into art.
Now watch this.
%3D
>People unironically using she/her on trannies ITT
raid or has this board really fallen so low?
This board has been calling every troony who tries to wear butterfly's skin she/her for probably a decade now. We're not here to convince them they're not an annoying lesbian.
It's a shame that topics like these can never be seriously discussed on IQfy because of /misc/tards, IQfy itself played a pretty pivotal role in online presence of transgender people in the mid 2000's. I wish the people who used IQfy now didn't come here from le epic gamer gate 2014.
>posts lolcow from Kiwifarms
>expects intelligent conversation
Gays have their own board.
Who said anything about expecting intelligent conversation? And it's still a book, doesn't matter if it's written by a trans person.
Thank you for epitomizing the type of posts that have turned this website into a fricking embarrassment.
OP literally found the book on Kiwifarms. To be honest I thought the guy was more successful before seeing the music shit. I feel bad for him now.
>literally
please stop using this website if you use literally in this way. And once again, it's a book.
>Men aren't generally criticized as feminine when they correctly apply compassion to understand, assist, and care for those around them, or for producing good art.
I don't think this is true, I think most people have witnessed men who were competent and amicable but were abused because they were naturally feminine. Even masculine men with those traits get called out for "feminine" behaviors like for ordering "sissy" drinks or having higher pitched voices.
>Kinda a transsexual manifesto. Explains medical history and an individuals experiences of being trans. Their thoughts on what it means to be trans and how society reacts to it. I don’t agree with all of her conclusions and wanted some other people to read through it and tell me what they think. I found an old kiwi farm archive of them talking about it, but I don’t really trust those guys. (
)
He LITERALLY found it there you absolute moron.
I read the post, I never denied he found it on kiwi farms. Why use the word literally there? He didn't post sonichu, what he posted actually argues something.
To emphasize the fact that the derailed thread you were sperging came about from a website known for trolls you complete and total idiot.
>Who said anything about expecting intelligent conversation?
With idiots like yourself around it's an impossibility. Dilate.
>using literally to emphasize something
you need to go back
>but rather because one is weak or posesses some quality they could be embarrassed about (ie. easily picked on).
I don't agree with this either, there are many people who are perfectly comfortable with themselves who get picked on. If you walk the streets of New York you'll see gay people arguing with random strangers who called them a homosexual all the time. There's no dearth of assertive people who are secure that aren't masculine.
>Not being "good" at being masculine is not the same as being feminine. Having a high pitched voice is arguably more childish than masculine or feminine.
I agree that not being masculine isn't the same as being feminine, but the examples I gave were referring to feminine men, or masculine men who have "feminine" behaviors without being feminine themselves. I think a high pitched voice is usually considered a feminine characteristic in men.
>But either way, it's not as if women don't also pick on each other for "mannish" qualities all the time.
It is true that women engage in it too, but men are far more extreme with it. There's entire cultures online like the manosphere that revolve around wanting to eliminate feminine behaviors in men and wanting to "toughen up" the population.
literally to emphasize something
Yes because it was the second time I made that point. Frick you're stupid.
Alright let me try slicing this differently. Let's split male male-abusers into two groups: good faith and bad faith abusers.
The bad faith abusers are just run of the mill bullies. They don't actually have a strong perspective on what they don't like, they're just trying to get an advantage over whoever they think they can by attacking their identity. "You're a bad what-you-are" is always a clear line of attack. "You're gay" has been historically pretty easy too, you could pretty much count on the crowd to back you up on that one. Motivated reasoning being what it is, the bad faith bullies probably do eventually stitch together a narrative of why their directionless meanness makes, even though its real goal is just to increase their relative social standing or give them a rush of power.
The good faith abusers would have to begin some sincere inkling of what masculinity is and why it's important and only act in accordance with those beliefs to mete out what they sincerely see as justice. It's hard for me to imagine this is a majority, but I can't back that up, so who cares. These guys would generally have to have some reason in their narrative why it's bad (for men) to fail to be masculine. Maybe something utilitarian like pulling your own weight or maybe something aesthetic. If it's aesthetic it can't be feminity proper they hate or they would hate it in women as well. Not that aesthetes can't be mysoginist, they just can't find femininity itself ugly without also being gay. If it's utility, well then it's utility. I'd have to see the argument.
I may have lost sight of my point here, but I think I've sort of generalized my way to most of it's either not sincerely held, or pretty clearly not about seeing femininity as universally undesirable. It's mostly about a perceived vulnerability or a reaction to a "badly-formed" man.
>you'll see gay people arguing with random strangers who called them a homosexual all the time..
To me personally, that doesn't sound that secure. Rude strangers opinions are beneath contempt, giving them attention is generally counterproductive.
>men are far more extreme
This is true all by itself. That said, men don't social-exclude as aggressively or make each other kill themselves quite as often. More violent, more aggressive, sure, but the core message if you criticize someone of being unmasculine is something like "become powerful, become threatening, grow immense and erase your shortcomings" Women's bullying is pure disgust, exclusion, and isolation. It can't build anybody up, and offers no avenues for survival. But women also are more capable of solidarity, at least in this past century or so. Most will at least pay lipservice to letting women be masculine, even while privately mocking each others large hands and quaking in fear that their neck will get too thick if they go near a weight machine.
>or pretty clearly not about seeing femininity as universally undesirable. It's mostly about a perceived vulnerability or a reaction to a "badly-formed" man.
I don't believe that femininity is universally undesirable, as do most people. There are desirable traits that are seen as feminine, but I do think that society overall values masculine traits more and men, based on a variety of factors, are only granted so much femininity before they start becoming punchlines.
>That said, men don't social-exclude as aggressively or make each other kill themselves quite as often.
I think this is just not true. Men are far more likely to commit suicide and also more likely to get bullied. I found this study, "An Observational Study of Bullying as a Contributing Factor in Youth Suicide in Toronto"
Ninety-four youth suicides were included in the study. The mean age was 16.8 years, and 70.2% were male. Bullying was present in 6 deaths (6.4%), and there were no deaths where online or cyberbullying was detected. Bullying was the only identified contributing factor in fewer than 5 deaths. The most common stressors identified were conflict with parents (21.3%), romantic partner problems (17.0%), academic problems (10.6%), and criminal and (or) legal problems (10.6%). Any stressor or mental and (or) physical illness was detected in 78.7% of cases. Depression was detected in 40.4% of cases.
Granted this study has its limitations, I think what you mentioned about men being more aggressive is a key factor, this would logically make them bigger bullies. I understand what you mean about the differences between men and women bullying, but I don't think bullying really has a core message. It's like what you said when you were defining two different types of abusers:
>The good faith abusers would have to begin some sincere inkling of what masculinity is and why it's important and only act in accordance with those beliefs to mete out what they sincerely see as justice. It's hard for me to imagine this is a majority, but I can't back that up, so who cares.
This kind of stuff is hard to substantiate, but I don't think anyone has any core message when they bully. It's also kind of absurd to say men don't exclude as much. Historically, men are perpetrators of genocide, war, and other things that are fundamentally meant to exclude or eradicate other groups.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying women are perfect people who don't also bully each other, but I think men do indeed treat each other worse, and I think our greater commitment to gender roles has a part in this.
I'm not sure where you're coming from anymore. I got into an argument about this post:
>“That’s for girls” they tell us, but really they just hate feminity.
I think since that position is incompatible with what you're currently arguing, I must have been successful. I have issues with your current framing as well but that feels much more off topic so I'll bullet point how I see it
-Yes, men are more generally abused than women.
-This is because womens reproductive bottlenecking makes them intrinsically valuable whereas mens volatility and role as competition for scarce reproductive niches makes them intrinsically risky.
-Consequently, the average person regardless of sex or orientation is skeptical male value and indulgent to females, in an absolute sense (ie, right to live given that they already exist)
-The commitment to male gender roles is not the source of cruelty to men, it is the symptom. Men have to prove their worth and compete with each other. Men are more dangerous and less valuable until they prove otherwise. That's the survival calculation underpinning all of it.
Behold, the smartest troon
I did not find this on Kiwi Farms. I read it for a friend.
I’m OP and I want to clarify I hate and don’t use Kiwi farms. After reading this book I was looking through the archives for people who read this book and what their take was on it. I found a good discussion of this book in a kiwi farms archive, but wanted to hear the chans take on it. To be honest it’s making me want to make the chump to kiwi farms at least those guys actually read through a book before trying to tear into the author.
>N-no!!! You have to listen to trans womxn voices!! Listen to me talk about my sissy hypno porn addiction, or else you're a Nazi!
>I thought I could have a serious discussion about a book written by a trannie lolcow on IQfy
You're also a moron.
Yeah, I don’t know what I was thinking.
It was not written by a lolcow. It was written in the mid 90s.
>men who were competent and amicable but were abused because...
Right but what I'm saying is one doesn't get picked on FOR competence in womanly arts (apart from blowjobs I guess), or FOR being amicable, but rather because one is weak or posesses some quality they could be embarrassed about (ie. easily picked on).
>because they were naturally feminine
I have to disagree with your framing here. Not being "good" at being masculine is not the same as being feminine. Having a high pitched voice is arguably more childish than masculine or feminine. Same preferring sweet flavor profiles and abhoring bitter or complex ones.
But either way, it's not as if women don't also pick on each other for "mannish" qualities all the time. I don't think being ugly is a masculine quality, but it's certainly unfeminine and they'll rail each other for it.
You're failed men willfully surrendering your social status. Two hundred years ago you would've rightfully been eunuchs or sissy slave. And now you prance around demanding you be put on the same level as normal men and women? If you don't pass as a woman and don't arouse dominance in men then you're worthless
You weren't on IQfy in the 2000s, were you? Transpeople were called traps and the running joke was to trick guys into jerking off to other guys. Nobody ever claimed they were women. IQfy was always transphobic by modern standards.
Mocking troons and calling them out on their degeneracy is the smartest response you can give, these deluded monsters. If they don't have the common sense to change their disgusting ways, then nothing will. We might as well have some fun with these ugly creatures.
What kind of a moron would take a mentally ill obviously deluded freak seriously? As many other anons have stated dilate and keep this garbage in its containment where it belongs. .
>IQfy itself played a pretty pivotal role in online presence of transgender people in the mid 2000's
people only posted traps so that you could call the other guy a homosexual when he realized it was a guy with a dick
I did not say that you were using that word incorrectly. I told you to go back because it's used by 14 year olds who don't know any other way to emphasize a point, a point that didn't even need to be emphasized. You're making up things that I didn't say in my posts.
It needed to be emphasized because you ignored it the first time moron. I knew you'd reply like this so I reposted to emphasize that.
You're moronic. Reading isn't for you. Frick off to your containment board
I took note of your point. The post however is about a book. I'm not sure why the origin of the book matters as long as it has discussable content.
>Reading isn't for you.
literally?
>I was sperging about the thread being derailed because I'm too much of a moron to figure out that posting a book by a trannie lolcow on IQfy isn't a recipe for serious discussion
Simple as. Enjoy the parasites.
>A MAN WHO LARPS [BADLY] AS A WOMAN on SEXISM [OF WHICH HE IS AN OBVIOUS BYPRODUCT] AND THE SCAPEGOATING OF FEMININITY aka LET ME, A MAN, TELL YOU WHY IT IS OKAY FOR ME TO DESTROY FEMINITY AND TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO BE SODOMITE PERVERTS
The title needed a bit of reworking. No, I will not read a book by a larping pervert. *spits in your face*
Does this book go over why modern feminine men feel the need to call themselves women instead of trying to smash gender roles like old school feminists did? They normalized crossdressing for women decades ago, there's no reason the same thing couldn't be done for men. But for some reason all the guys who like skirts think chopping off their genitals is a better idea.
Because it's a fetish for them. It's the reason they don't bother buying or encouraging companies to design feminine clothing that suits the male body and instead wearing women's clothing that looks comical on them. Even clothing like shirts and jeans where plenty of options exist for the male frame, they opt to buy shirts and jeans designed for a female body. They were bras and panties too despite those being invisible to anyone but them. Its not a matter of self expression, it's all a fetish around becoming the thing they are attracted to (a woman)
I think it's because feminism made the idea of being a man at all so undesirable, through a century or so of demonisation. Well done there, feminists. You mind raped the weaker members of the other gender in to self-hatred, and self-destruction, because you can't just be nice for five seconds.
I've only read a few pages so far but it's been quite revealing to me. I never realized that my own views on femininity an masculinity were so alien from the typical western (or at the very least traditional western feminist) view
Okay so I'm 80 or 90 pages into the book now and I don't think I can read any more of it. I can't help but feel that transgendered individuals are the result of someone unwilling to embrace the annihilation of gender as a concept
Transgenderism is a eugenics death cult, but it utilizes the philosophy of Edward Bernay's in order to sterilize groups of unwanted/useless people. Essentially manipulate people into demanding that it's their right to be sterilized - and make lots of money through the medical industry, pharma and overall health problems cause directly by destruction of hormonal balance.
>Man who thinks he is a woman writes a book
>Its about why you are bad for not thinking he is a woman
>Read this book, or just a chapter and come back to tell me what you think about it.
I read "The Fascination with Feminization", "The Transgender Gap", and I'm reading "Feminist Depictions of Trans Women" and I like it. I'm a troony, but not a feminist or an activist or anything, but the lady who wrote this book really isn't as insufferable as a lot of vocal trannies are. I quite like it...
Nice 🙂
I don't care what some midwit with no epistemology thinks about anything.
I don't care about trannies' delusions. Buy an ad
>over 400 pages
If you aren't a midwit you don't need to read it to know what's in it. Imagine having to put in effort to "understand" an indoctrination diatribe that can be simply summed up by the laughter seeing the term "her penis" generates.