My favorite is godlike Diomedes, son of Tydeus.
2nd strongest character after Achiles and also a smart, honorable man.
Who are your favorite and least favorite characters from the Iliad?
My favorite is godlike Diomedes, son of Tydeus.
2nd strongest character after Achiles and also a smart, honorable man.
MEGAS TELAMONIOS AIAS
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>Ὦσαν δὲ πρότεροι Τρῶες ἑλίκωπας Ἀχαιούς·
>νεκρὸν δὲ προλιπόντες ὑπέτρεσαν, οὐδέ τιν’ αὐτῶν
>Τρῶες ὑπέρθυμοι ἕλον ἔγχεσιν ἱέμενοί περ,
>ἀλλὰ νέκυν ἐρύοντο· μίνυνθα δὲ καὶ τοῦ Ἀχαιοὶ
>μέλλον ἀπέσσεσθαι· μάλα γάρ σφεας ὦκ’ ἐλέλιξεν
>Αἴας, ὃς περὶ μὲν εἶδος, περὶ δ’ ἔργα τέτυκτο
>τῶν ἄλλων Δαναῶν μετ’ ἀμύμονα Πηλεΐωνα.
>ἴθυσεν δὲ διὰ προμάχων συῒ εἴκελος ἀλκὴν
>καπρίῳ, ὅς τ’ ἐν ὄρεσσι κύνας θαλερούς τ’ αἰζηοὺς
>ῥηϊδίως ἐκέδασσεν, ἑλιξάμενος διὰ βήσσας·
>ὣς υἱὸς Τελαμῶνος ἀγαυοῦ φαίδιμος Αἴας
>ῥεῖα μετεισάμενος Τρώων ἐκέδασσε φάλαγγας,
>οἳ περὶ Πατρόκλῳ βέβασαν, φρόνεον δὲ μάλιστα
>ἄστυ πότι σφέτερον ἐρύειν καὶ κῦδος ἀρέσθαι.
frick lil Hektor gon do?
Sarpedon
For me it's Thersites because he's the only one who talks any sense at all in that boring-ass book.
Well you don’t understand his characterization then. He represents the typical onlooker pleb who sees the problems wrong with all the actions in these kings fighting one another but he gets beaten to show that it isn’t the place of lower class persons to fight against their monarchs. All of the events of Troy are caused by the gods and issues within the system of Greek monarchies yet it isn’t the place of the lower persons to fight them on this. Neither Achilleus nor Agamemnon nor Paris did anything to each other which wasn’t either they’re kingly right or justified to them by the gods.
I understand exactly what Homer meant. Homer conveniently wrote the guy as ugly in order to make his sensible advice unsympathetic. Of course some handsome fellow (Odysseus) then checks him and shuts him up, because if we don't do that then we don't have a movie.
The basic problem here is a difference between classical and modern value systems. These Argive idiots care about stupid bullshit categories that do not matter: fame, honor, glory, nonsense like that.
Please recall that Odysseus feigned madness to try to dodge the draft in this war
Also, my quads control and you are constrained to observe them. The Iliad SUCKS and I shall go on hateposting about it for the next few weeks unless something really interesting happens. It's so boring that I can only bring myself to read a few pages a day during work breaks. Boar-crashing-woods this, capricious butthole gods that. The amazing thing about it is that the young male reader should naturally find the visceral descriptions of death interesting (I imagine that this is how teachers have historically tried to sell schoolboys on the value of the text), and yet somehow, Homer manages to make these repeated descriptions boring.
Extended similes and repetition of phraseology are key to the Homeric style though you clearly understand that it would seem. If you don’t find them engaging that is a you problem. If you find them difficult that is outright stupidity on your part. Managing a few pages a day of the Iliad is certainly nothing to fret about. Each page has more philosophic depth than anything else you could be reading. One page of the Iliad a day is still better than someone who reads no pages of the Iliad.
He's an idiot who subjects himself to something he doesn't like and then goes out of his way to complain about it constantly. I also have reason to suspect he might be, God forgive me for uttering such a thing, a IQfy "author", which would mean he is 100% doing this for attention. Do not engage.
Patroclus is very underrated as a character in himself imo, he is a necessary part of the core dynamic
>torn between two loyalties
>strives towards more greatness than was fated for him
>gets mercilessly struck down for it
>serves as the motivation for the climax of the story
>did it all for (Platonic) love
>nohomo
>Dudes name is Paris
>The French weren't even a thing yet
how did he know?
His name was Alexandros. Paris is a Latinazation of his name.
>romans named him paris
>paris wasn't a thing yet
How did they know???
Hector.
Anyone that answers anything but Hector is a contrarian or a brainlet. It isn't even close. We speak of "second best" when it comes to the Iliad.
I'm Greek and it's Hector.
Ajax saved their Achaean asses on multiple occasions
He wasn’t real flash but down in the trenches he held the line.
Reminder that Ajax was robbed of what was rightfully his and the Greeks admiring cleverness over strength is what lead to their down fall.
On a more serious note, why was returning home tragic for everyone?
>little Ajax- dies after leaving Troy
>dimoedes - gets home but wife back stabs him so he has to leave
>agamemnon - wife kills him
>odysseus - takes forever to get home
>agamemnon - per herodotus committed child sacrifice to get home
Pretty sure it was because of the unjust way they took Troy and the brutality they inflicted on the Trojans afterwards.
I will supply the normie answer, technically, I guess it is also the christian answer for whatever reason.
>Favourite: Hector
>Liked: Odysseus (crafty homosexual), Achilles.
>Least favourite: Menelaus
Not that I hated him, he just didn't move anything within me.
Because of their brutality and unjustness when sacking Troy, also destroying Athena's altar. Remember that the Homeric poems are only two parts of a wider cycle of eight poems. Personally, I would kill to have intact copies of the Illoupersis and Nostoi.
Also, Nestor returned home safe and sound so you know, there's that.
Nostoi is lost so we don't know in any detail but he returned home safe and sound (and so did Nestor IIRC) but was prevented from entering Argos, and then fled to Italy.
I might be wrong though.
This is mid bait. However, on the off chance you actually believe this: I can't help but respect someone who so thoroughly embodies the spirit of the age.
I IDENTIFY WITH «HEKTOR».
I can't remember what any of them were actually like.
Thersites
My favourite characters are Hector and Priam
My least favourite characters are Paris, Helen and Achilles
I thought about Helen a bit but at least in Homer's telling she has the honesty to acknowledge that she is a prostitute.
It is interesting. Her character arc is explained in the intro to gayles translation. She says at first that her love for Paris was all that mattered and that the deaths of Acheans and Trojans mean nothing which is supposed to be likening her to Hera offering Zeus three cities of mortals to destroy if she can destroy Troy signifying how gods view humans as play things to crush and torment. Over the course of the book, Helen comes to resent her place in starting the Trojan war which signifies her moving away from her demigod hood (Zeus is her father) to taking after the mortals showing how she transitioned from deity to mortal through her love of Paris. It is much better explained in gayles intro fyi.
Favorite character is Protesilaus my least favorite is king rhesus, frick him
I'll admit the title of the thread made me laugh, well done
What happened to Diomedes after the war? I know Agamemnon's story about his wife killing him, Menelaus goes back to Helen and doesn't do much and Odysseus has the Odyssey followed by being killed by his son.
What about Diomedes?
Diomedes' wife cheated on him and he got expelled from his city by her allies. He travelled around and settled somewhere else.
Based. Dude literally beats the shit out of 2 gods and doesn't even break a sweat. Easily the best character
Athena tbh
the real power behind the throne tbh
>Diomedes' rampage through the trojans is pure soulkino
Wounding Aries too, imagining the sound of 10,000 bulls and men screaming together, blasting across the battlefield so loud that people are pausing mid-kill to run the frick away, is a little Looney Tunes, but very cool. I like to imagine Diomedes just sort of gets up with his ears bleeding and stumbles away after the guy/God he stabbed just exploded.
Based, Diomedes' rampage through the trojans is pure soulkino
>least favorite: Paris
>most favorite: Asteropaios - only warrior to draw blood from achilles in bavsja8ttle
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I like Nestor 😐
I like him too.
Good old wise man
imagine how terrifying encountering Diomedes on the battlefield would have been. like, you're a regular Trojan soldier, and you see a guy with superhuman strength and flames leaping from his helmet and shield rapidly skewering all of your comrades. I probably would have ran
Hector is obviously the GOAT
Achilles is a figurative and possibly literal homosexual