As big of a Dosto fan as I am, I would probably agree that as an author he's a bit overrated. I think BK is a masterpiece but his other work doesn't reach the same heights. I'd say there are a lot more overrated books than authors. Plenty of overrated books out there but the authors are largely ignored outside of their single noteworthy book. My vote would be Mark Twain, though. Both as a thinker and an author he leaves a lot to be desired. I'd also say Poe, though I quite like some of Poe's stories.
Agree on Poe and Twain, disagree on Dosto. Poe has a few REALLY good stories but a lot of his other stuff didn't age as well as other gothic or horror writers. I haven't read BK yet but already The Idiot and Demons are absolutely amazing, probably the two best novels I've read that are still haunting to this day.
Evola is overrated by very alienated morons, Peterson by conservative leaning normies, Ive never seen praise for most of Hitlers literary works, outside of his speechmaking
Tolstoy. I’ve read him a lot and like him just fine, but he doesn’t do anything special that other writers haven’t done. It also rubs me the wrong way that he got preachy as an old man. Easy to preach asceticism when you’re old. Out of the big Russian novelists, I like him least. W&P has a terrible ending. AK was largely forgettable outside a few scenes. His latter short stories are especially preachy. He built himself up into a cult like figure towards the end
Gogol has better short stories and Dead Souls is amazing till the second part, but I don’t hold it against him because it’s unfinished. Dostoyevsky doesn’t need any defense. He is GOAT novelist material and has influenced many great writers. A first rate psychologist. I’m lukewarm on his short stories though. Turgenev wrote one of my favorite books, a collection of short stories called A Sportsman’s Notebook, so I will always hold him in high regard.
Agreed. I remember when I read The Death of Ivan Ilyich it just came off as boring pseud trash trying to channel some profound understanding of sorrow and suffering. It's repetitive and dull due to the characters being flat and boring outside of the opening.
Gogol is infinitely better than Tolstoy and even Dostoevsky, but he is overshadowed by them due to his short career. Part Two of Dead Souls while unfinished has many whispers of greatness in it and one can vaguely see the sketches he was setting out. If Dead Souls was able to have been completed with the care part one saw Gogol would probably be seen by academia as a giant on the same level or greater than Dostoevsky. Also his short stories are rather silly.
Pushkin is the only writer from that country with even a shred of maturity. Everything else to come out of it is just melodramatic garbage for teenagers, same is true for their music.
Rather with a shred of autism since he's never seen the world besides balls and theaters. From his biography you can't tell he was really mature, even during his hijacking he remained an aristocrate living in his own world. The thing is Pushkin was one of the first figures in russian literature, so he's almost considered a saint there, which is probably deserved to some extent
>Gabriel Garcia Marquez
I liked his story about the Black who got kicked in the head by a horse, but only because a Black got kicked in the head by a horse
I would add T.S. Eliot I guess. Not sure why a part of culture is obsessed with him, he's a second rate poet by any margin if you know what first rate looks like
But probably Ernest Cline. Mostly because his Ready Player One was both commercially and critically successful despite being utterly fricking terrible even by the standards of popular literature. Usually popular writers as bad as Cline have the decency to get savaged by critics, like Dan Brown and Nicholas Sparks. But for some reason Cline received actual praise despite being not even up to the standards of Christopher Paolini.
Jane Austen
Mary Shelley
Charlotte Bronte
Emily Bronte
Elizabeth Gaskell
George Eliot
Virginia Woolf
Doris Lessing
Iris Murdoch
Barbara Pym
Margaret Drabble
AS Byatt
Hilary Mantel
Zadie Smith
Sally Rooney
There's no such thing as underrated or overrated. I either like a writer or I don't. Why would it bother me that others like a writer more or less than I do.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't have opened this thread. >guys just letting you know I don't care I'm just kind of built different. btw guys I really just like don't care
Cormac Mccarthy.
He's very limited as a novelist and his attempts at philosophy are cringe, a suburban dad who smoked his first spliff.
People like Bloom like him because he apes the register of the outdated prose they associate with good writing, but that's what's bad about him. He looks backward, not forward.
Tolstoy has literally no redeemable qualities. Soap opera tier plots, robotic prose, christgay morality, obnoxiously long books that could easily have been 700 pages shorter. I despise him with a passion. If you list him anywhere even remotely near your favorite writers, read more books.
As much as I like American Psycho I have to agree that Bret Easton Ellis is pretty overrated. Hunter Thompson too, though I don't really care for the guy or his work.
Tolstoy. Losers here like to self insert as Levin; a weird, antisocial guy who somehow gets his dream girl; a man of inaction who cuts grass among peasants
The grass cutting scene is perhaps the most cringe passage in 19th century literature, and there is some big competition
Awful, mawkish lazy rich man fantasy about muh noble peasantry and muh dignity of labor. Even Dickens didn't stoop so low
shit prose
very repetitive
all over the place quality wise cause he just shat out work after work
wrote so much but never once got close to a masterpiece
despite all this, he's sucked off endlessly by many writers and influenced many greats whom all surpassed him and did what he did way better like zola, hugo, flaubert, proust, dickens, etc.
marx liked reading this gay and he's a brainlet
even stendhal's novels that came up around the same time as his stuff aged way better
I haven't read a single thing he's done but no one can be so great as to deserve the unending adulation he recieved and continues to recieve to this day.
>no one can be so great as to deserve the unending adulation he recieved and continues to recieve to this day.
Yet plenty of authors do receive such adoration. Many of them already have been posted in this thread
Waste of trips
F. Scott Fitzgerald for me
Wrong
As big of a Dosto fan as I am, I would probably agree that as an author he's a bit overrated. I think BK is a masterpiece but his other work doesn't reach the same heights. I'd say there are a lot more overrated books than authors. Plenty of overrated books out there but the authors are largely ignored outside of their single noteworthy book. My vote would be Mark Twain, though. Both as a thinker and an author he leaves a lot to be desired. I'd also say Poe, though I quite like some of Poe's stories.
Agree on Poe and Twain, disagree on Dosto. Poe has a few REALLY good stories but a lot of his other stuff didn't age as well as other gothic or horror writers. I haven't read BK yet but already The Idiot and Demons are absolutely amazing, probably the two best novels I've read that are still haunting to this day.
Hard disagree on Tolstoy, but I agree that Gogol is better.
Jane Austen. I’ve tried at least 4 different novels of hers and I just can’t fricking do it
Nietzsche.
Ayn Rand
Thomas Aquinas
Plato
Around lit:
Evola
Hitler
Peterson
>Around lit:
>Evola
>Hitler
>Peterson
Sounds right.
These people aren’t even rated literary in real life
Evola is overrated by very alienated morons, Peterson by conservative leaning normies, Ive never seen praise for most of Hitlers literary works, outside of his speechmaking
That's the point. IQfy is shit.
IQfy is shit because there are many here with ulterior motives. No one who loves literature or wants to love it will ever pick up those writers
Mishima
What a crazy coincidence, the two stupidest people alive replying back to back
Tolstoy. I’ve read him a lot and like him just fine, but he doesn’t do anything special that other writers haven’t done. It also rubs me the wrong way that he got preachy as an old man. Easy to preach asceticism when you’re old. Out of the big Russian novelists, I like him least. W&P has a terrible ending. AK was largely forgettable outside a few scenes. His latter short stories are especially preachy. He built himself up into a cult like figure towards the end
Gogol has better short stories and Dead Souls is amazing till the second part, but I don’t hold it against him because it’s unfinished. Dostoyevsky doesn’t need any defense. He is GOAT novelist material and has influenced many great writers. A first rate psychologist. I’m lukewarm on his short stories though. Turgenev wrote one of my favorite books, a collection of short stories called A Sportsman’s Notebook, so I will always hold him in high regard.
Agreed. I remember when I read The Death of Ivan Ilyich it just came off as boring pseud trash trying to channel some profound understanding of sorrow and suffering. It's repetitive and dull due to the characters being flat and boring outside of the opening.
Gogol is infinitely better than Tolstoy and even Dostoevsky, but he is overshadowed by them due to his short career. Part Two of Dead Souls while unfinished has many whispers of greatness in it and one can vaguely see the sketches he was setting out. If Dead Souls was able to have been completed with the care part one saw Gogol would probably be seen by academia as a giant on the same level or greater than Dostoevsky. Also his short stories are rather silly.
embarrassing
moronic
Hackspeare.
Imagine thinking either of these guys are overrated. Who the frick do you guys like?
Stephen King
Hegel
Joyce
Goethe
He wrote the Erklonig (best poem ever) so you're wrong, FACTS!!!
Joyce, Brecht, and any Russian except for Puskin.
Pushkin is the most overrated writer in russia
Pushkin is the only writer from that country with even a shred of maturity. Everything else to come out of it is just melodramatic garbage for teenagers, same is true for their music.
Rather with a shred of autism since he's never seen the world besides balls and theaters. From his biography you can't tell he was really mature, even during his hijacking he remained an aristocrate living in his own world. The thing is Pushkin was one of the first figures in russian literature, so he's almost considered a saint there, which is probably deserved to some extent
Gabriel Garcia Marquez
>Gabriel Garcia Marquez
I liked his story about the Black who got kicked in the head by a horse, but only because a Black got kicked in the head by a horse
Faulkner, Hemingway, Steinbeck
Filtered
This guy hates Americans
Wrong
Correct
1. Bolaño
2. Melville
3. Ishiguro
i like melville but yeah
whats wrong with the jap?
these, some more than others of course
i like melville but yeah
whats wrong with the jap?
these, some more than others of course
I would add T.S. Eliot I guess. Not sure why a part of culture is obsessed with him, he's a second rate poet by any margin if you know what first rate looks like
Depends on what you mean by "overrated".
But probably Ernest Cline. Mostly because his Ready Player One was both commercially and critically successful despite being utterly fricking terrible even by the standards of popular literature. Usually popular writers as bad as Cline have the decency to get savaged by critics, like Dan Brown and Nicholas Sparks. But for some reason Cline received actual praise despite being not even up to the standards of Christopher Paolini.
Jane Austen
Mary Shelley
Charlotte Bronte
Emily Bronte
Elizabeth Gaskell
George Eliot
Virginia Woolf
Doris Lessing
Iris Murdoch
Barbara Pym
Margaret Drabble
AS Byatt
Hilary Mantel
Zadie Smith
Sally Rooney
kek based
>Mary Shelley
The fact that roasties try to push blame on her husband for her lackluster writing always make me grin ear to ear.
>the fact that [schizo fantasy]
>Clearly has never read any of them
>hUr DuR, femoids can't write!
>femoids can’t write
I never said that. In fact they are probably the third or fourth best gender at writing.
A distant third or fourth but third or fourth nonetheless
Have sex
based
Borges
Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy
There's no such thing as underrated or overrated. I either like a writer or I don't. Why would it bother me that others like a writer more or less than I do.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't have opened this thread.
>guys just letting you know I don't care I'm just kind of built different. btw guys I really just like don't care
I do care. I care about the stupid notion of underrated and overrated. That's why I commented.
Dostoevsky
Nietzsche
Wallace
putting wallace in the same sentence is funny though
is this a common opinion in the us/uk/pretty much everywhere but ger?
I descend there and with anthroposophie, there even is some kind of semi-religious movement relating heavily to him (not kidding).
Faust probably is quite a fine take then, innit?
a religious movement relating to wallace? did you mean to reply to the goethe guy?
>Goethe
Very correct.
Cormac Mccarthy.
He's very limited as a novelist and his attempts at philosophy are cringe, a suburban dad who smoked his first spliff.
People like Bloom like him because he apes the register of the outdated prose they associate with good writing, but that's what's bad about him. He looks backward, not forward.
What the frick do people see in Dostoy and his ilk anyway?
Jack Kerouac.
This homosexual's style of writing is really bad. Plus, this Black person spawned the horrible Beat Generation of degenerates.
Tolstoy has literally no redeemable qualities. Soap opera tier plots, robotic prose, christgay morality, obnoxiously long books that could easily have been 700 pages shorter. I despise him with a passion. If you list him anywhere even remotely near your favorite writers, read more books.
>Bret Easton Ellis
>Chuck Palahniuk
>Irving Welsh
>Hunter Thompson
>Charles Bukowski
As much as I like American Psycho I have to agree that Bret Easton Ellis is pretty overrated. Hunter Thompson too, though I don't really care for the guy or his work.
>Bret Easton Ellis
Underrated
Any good book apart from American Psycho?
Cervantes
>picrel
extremely based
Tolstoy. Losers here like to self insert as Levin; a weird, antisocial guy who somehow gets his dream girl; a man of inaction who cuts grass among peasants
The grass cutting scene is perhaps the most cringe passage in 19th century literature, and there is some big competition
Awful, mawkish lazy rich man fantasy about muh noble peasantry and muh dignity of labor. Even Dickens didn't stoop so low
It says a lot that many here love that passage and character
Dostoevsky isn't overrated, if anything he's underrated.
shit prose
very repetitive
all over the place quality wise cause he just shat out work after work
wrote so much but never once got close to a masterpiece
despite all this, he's sucked off endlessly by many writers and influenced many greats whom all surpassed him and did what he did way better like zola, hugo, flaubert, proust, dickens, etc.
marx liked reading this gay and he's a brainlet
even stendhal's novels that came up around the same time as his stuff aged way better
Goethe.
I haven't read a single thing he's done but no one can be so great as to deserve the unending adulation he recieved and continues to recieve to this day.
>no one can be so great as to deserve the unending adulation he recieved and continues to recieve to this day.
Yet plenty of authors do receive such adoration. Many of them already have been posted in this thread
Waste of trips