who is the oldest recorded person we know existed?
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who is the oldest recorded person we know existed?
who is the oldest recorded person we know existed?
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Adam
Biblical/mythological answers need to be accepted
>desert fanfiction
kek
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I'm glad to see this is the first post.
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This but for the found out skeleton, not the biblical character
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Your mother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment
Thats not what I meant
The oldest recorded person not the recorded oldest person
My bet is on Sargon of Akkad for being the first person whose biography we actually know.
that shill?
>coffee
>cigarettes
Based
Define person, you mean homosexual Sapiens?
You mean actual historical figure?
the oldest person whos name is known
Ea Nasir
Narmer is widely considered to be the first proper Pharaoh of Egypt and believed to have existed. Anything before him is myth and legend. 5000 years ago btw, no older named person that's commonly accepted to have existed is known as far as i know.
>https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/1314851223196102656
Either an accountant or a slave owner. Probably the slave owner since he owned slaves who are named.
This seems plausible too.
That's not quite true. Narmer is known to be the first Pharaoh of a united Egypt, and all later Egyptian king lists begin with him (effectively making him the beginning of history as far as ancient Egyptians were concerned), but pre-dynastic rulers from immediately before Narmer are attested in inscriptions from pre-dynastic ruins that have been excavated in modern times.
Iry-Hor, who may have been Narmer's grandfather, and who probably did a lot of the work to unify Egypt, is the earliest known Egyptian whose name and identity are considered verifiable.
The trouble is that we can't be sure whether Kushim is a personal name, a title, or an organisation.
Your mom.
This becomes a philosophical question. If its just a name without any ingormation associated with it, then surely its just the oldest name(s) not person. But if you mean a name associated with actual attributes and a life story, then how accurate do the need to be before it is a 'real' and not mythological person? Akhenaten is thought by many to be the bases of moses, does that mean moses was real? If not, then how precisely does the recorded figure and the reap figure need to match, becuase the vast majority of substantive records of ancient people are going to be of rulers and important people, who are gping to have lots of propoganda and hyperbole thrown in there.
Sorry to nitpick but no scholar worth his degree would say that Moses was influenced by Akhenaten (yeah I'm talking about Sigmund). The cities named in Exodus weren't cities that Akhenaten was particularly active in. Also the whole point of the israelites is not to worship idols like the egyptians do so it would make more sense as a response to a polytheistic egypt. Can anyone please prove me wrong I'd be interested. And don't quote sources like so-and-so esoteric book. At the very least Moses most certainly didn't live during Akhenaten's reign. And a posthumous influence is really anyone's guess.
Your father’s bed wench
Manis.
The guy appears in every history all around the world somehow and nobody knows who he is
>Turks say he led the ancestors of the Turks
>Egyptians say he was a pharaoh that existed ten times over since before the pyramids were built
>Greeks say he was their ancestor along with the Hittites (having been from western Turkey)
>Germanics just have the name and nothing else about him
very mysterious
Any info you can share? I'm finding nothing on search
>all around the world
>examples are concentrated in east mediterranean
>and Germany for some reason (which has a history of LARPing as we all know)
My guess? Some East med king whose name got popular so a bunch of neighbors named their kids after it.
Or just a name that has a lucky meaning in their language.
Manis and Muhammed both start with the letter M. Maybe it's something like that sort of thing? The East Meds were important to early civilization too though.
Read Guenon.
I have. He ended up taking the path of least resistance and selling short. Still interesting writings.
>Some East med king whose name got popular so a bunch of neighbors named their kids after it.
The funny thing is that semites are the only Eurasian culture that doesn't attest the name.
Based. That’s why I always tag my name on shit.
nice. idk if your joking but i do this too & i travel a decent amount, like the idea of coming back and seeing one sometime in the future. added bonus that people see it sometimes too
I think I got it bros.
It's actually
>Man is
as in
>This Man is my king
and as history got passed down through generations people only remember Manis
Holy shit I'm a genius
You may actually be right,in PIE his name literally means man and is may be a variation of as which may mean god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manusmriti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaivasvata_Manu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manes_of_Lydia
Who is he bros?
Don’t forget Manu
>Any ancient name I can find with a couple of nasals is the same person!
Gay.
That's pretty damn good considering the at least several millennia and encompassing the over 20 million square miles
A huge time span and a huge geographical area doesn't help your case, anon. It just increases the likelihood of coincidences.
Interesting thread.
Person and name known? Probably Enmerkar, the first king and builder of the city of Uruk in the land of Sumer.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmerkar
can't tell me these homies weren't aliens
I don't think they were
After some digging around, the oldest mention of a name that we know of is off of a literal receipt.
It reads
>29,086 measures
>Barley
>37 months
>???
>Kushim
>???
Some dude named Kushim bought a bunch of barley once and now he's technically the oldest name we know of.
If I were to guess (and it's a big guess, aside from one class I took on Mesopotamia in college, I have no idea how to read cuneiform, especially the archaic early versions where people would legit just make shit up because there wasn't an agreed way of writing it yet.) the two parts we don't know, that is the two symbols on the bottom right, mean something akin to "farm"/"plant" and "harvest".
I'm just guessing with the farm and plant thing, but the bottom right symbol is just the symbol for barley enclosed in something, possibly hands or a container of some kind, and because I doubt it takes 37 months to plant and harvest barley, I assume the one above the "harvest" symbol means the amount he owes to whoever wrote him the reciept for the barley, and it will take him 37 months to pay it back
So, in essence
>"Kushim borrowed 29,086 seeds of barley today, he has 37 months to plant, harvest, and sell it to pay me back"
Or at least, I think.
>29,086
>mfs counted thousands of individual grains instead of weighing them
Yup definitely aliens
Yes but what year is this Kushim from?
Before the first kingdom of Sumer, so 6000 or more years ago?
Something more specific please, if you can.
the seed and feed goes way back
But is Kushim an actual name, or some profession/title, or maybe the name of a residence?
I believe the oldest recorded name is "kushim" and it's just someone's signature at the bottom of a cuneiform receipt for a grain shipment.
Interesting that commerce still existed in ancient times. Perhaps humans haven't really changed much since then.
noah
Would you rather a brown Christian Europe or a white atheist Europe, christcuck?
>white atheist europe
we live in an atheist europe filled with homosexuals and refugees, but nice try Black personlover
It's pretty difficult. In Egypt the oldest person we know definitively existed was Narmer. But that only applies to Kings in Egypt after Narmer. In Mesopotamia the era we have from 'legendary' to 'reality' is the reign of Sargon of Akkad and he himself was probably the most well documented man of history up until that point. But it's important to know Sargon was very much picked up by every Mesopotamian Empire out there as the perfect King to be and he does represent a seismic shift in Mesopotamian history towards a definative history, less muddled by myths and legends and more based in reality.
>Sumer never really existed
What the frick are you talking about?
I'm saying that Sumerian records are extremely poor and blend too much with myths. I'm not saying they didn't exist, I'm just saying they are poorly recorded.
>Narmer
what about Iry-Hor?
Frankenstein the Monster
Iry-Hor
"Kushim"
Gal-Sal
Enpap-x
Sukkalgir
these all sound like 3rd world metal bands
ha, they do
expand on these plz
>Iry-Hor (c. 3200 BC)
predynastic pharaoh of Upper Egypt
>Kushim (c. 3200 BC)
sumerian accountant (administrative record of beer production) from the Uruk period, could've been a job title rather than a proper name
>Gal-Sal (c. 3100 BC)
sumerian slave owner
>Enpap-x (c. 3100 BC)
Gal-Sal's slave
>Sukkalgir (c. 3100 BC)
Gal-Sal's slave, female
Saving these as name choices for my kids.
>who is the oldest recorded person we know existed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iry-Hor
Iry-Hor (or Ro[2]) was a predynastic pharaoh of Upper Egypt during the 32nd century BC.[1] Excavations at Abydos in the 1980s and 1990s[3][4][5] and the discovery in 2012 of an inscription of Iry-Hor in the Sinai confirmed his existence.[1] Iry-Hor is the earliest ruler of Egypt known by name and is sometimes cited as the earliest-living historical person known by name.[6]
What year does that place him in?
c. 3155–3140 BC? King Iry-Hor reigns from Abydos over most of Egypt.[1]
Kushim kind of age moggs him
Kushim may actually not pre-date Iry-Hor, because of the uncertainty of dating tablets and stone stelae. They're both from around 3200BC, it isn't really possible to be more accurate than that. Iry-Hor could easily have been born around 3220BC, lived seventy years, then died around 3150BC. We know there was at least one ruler between him and Narmer, and that Narmer probably ruled in the mid 32nd century BC, so that would fit.
The tablet that mentions Kushim is thought to predate the Gal-Sal tablet, which is ca. 3100, by a generation or two. So that could make Kushim and Iry-Hor roughly contemporaneous.
Which means there's every chance that Kushim was trading barley at around the same time as Egypt, the civilisation that would dominate the ancient middle east, was being founded. Of the two people we know of from the period, one was building a legacy that would influence the world for generations to come, and one was making beer.
Or one of them predated the other by a hundred years. We just don't know.
Take your Medes
>Ire prostitute
poor guy never had a chance
Jesus
Mary (his mother) was older.
debatable
Jesus is part of God and has thus always existed
but is god real?
Yes.
Can god make a rock so heavy even he can't lift it?
Adam