Why are there people who insist on the ancient Greeks being blonde and blue eyed, when all genetic evidence and art points towards the contrary? What is the actual evidence for the opposite, aside from translations like xanthos?
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Wasn't it debunked by davidisky?
davidisky has been BTFO on the greeks since 2017. This is a new incoming study
>davidisky
is that supposed to make him look good? how the frick can people writing papers be this asinine on basic geography is quite telling
>is that supposed to make him look good?
No, it's about the joke of poles wanting to be called central europeans.
>poles wanting to be called central europeans
good one
*cough*
You never visited eurogenes, right? He doesn't give a shit about Greeks or Nordcucks. Only pan-germanic trannies hate on Davidsky.
Greeks are a mongrel race of Arabs and Swedes?
no they are not like you mohammed. They are totally caucasid, so that's hard to be a mongrel
What do these axis represent?
Everyone in that picture is white
>not Taleb instead of the Paki taxi driver
FTFY
thank you
so Byzantines were whiter than classical Greeks? Is that what I'm getting at?
Byzantines had later slavic admixture
slavs are wide-faced mongolian-skulled turkic asiatics so they actually became less white
You are fricking moronic. If Slavs are asiatics than so are Scandinavians.
>than so are Scandinavians.
They are but to a lesser extent. Also, >butthurt turko-mongol slavoid detected
>They are but to a lesser extent.
I doubt that as they mixed with actual asiatic Finns for centuries. Show me legit study with Asiatic admixture among Slavs. I'll wait. Also
Post your chinlet soiBlack person face, so I can laugh at you.
>slavs are wide-faced
Is that you admitting that you have incel chinlet narrow face? Because short and wide faces are a sign of high testosterone.
No. You are wide-skulled. Just like asiatics. Brachycephalic.
Majority of Slavs are Meso and Doli. And no amount of your incel chinlet seething will change that. Also, you suck at your own memes.
Pic related. If you are proud of having skull like a n*gger than so be it. Don't project your mongoloid admixture on to others though.
>Majority of Slavs are Meso and Doli.
Your own autismo-graphic shows that slavs are Brachy. Not sure why you're seething about this.
>Your own autismo-graphic shows that slavs are Brachy
So is majority of Europe, you low IQ vermin
Yeah, all the slaveic sub humans
You're not only idiotic, but at the same time illterate and a total historylet. Why are you here even. Frick off back to your troony posting on IQfy and IQfy
Why are slaveics so easy to trigger kek, calm down Genghis.
>gets BTFO by his own shitposting
>uhhh u mad
troony cope. Typical
Whatever helps you sleep at night my Brachycephalic friend.
I accept your concession
I am almost certain you are Polish, perhaps Western Ukrainian. The complete delusional and stubbornness gives it away.
Wrong. 99% North-Eastern Euro.
yes
People can't accept ancient people for who they were and have to insert themselves or their race into the conversation to feel accomplished
But why? I'm not Greek, I don't pretend to be Greek but admire the Hellenic people greatly. Nordic people also have a wonderful mythology And romantic view of life, which I admire as well. Why start stealing other cultures history and sowing division? What is the evidence? I just don't understand.
Well, europeans have always felt the need to justify their nationality or civilization, mainly by tying things to their "ancient roots" In greece or rome, that's why the best greek or latin professors have always been german or english and why neoclassicism came from said countries, then, with the nazis, this obsession became a source of shame about their race not having an illustrious past, so they started inventing myths to justify their civilization
What you see nowadays is kinda the same as africans thinking egypt was black and they were pharaos
it's more because modern NW Europeans tower over the local squatters in such an humiliating way they ask themselves if perchance after all it's because were closer to them in the first place, an understandable sentiment when taking a glance at modern Greeks, which understandably have to desperately gatekeep antiquity as much as they can to be even taken into consideration by anyone
So it's basically just modern chauvinism and xenophobia? So hatred and bigotry. Read Aristotle. Work on your virtues.
yes, south-european mediterranist types are the western equivalent of dravidian types in india when you mention indo-aryans, same post-colonial resentment and revanchism
This isn't an argument. I've asked if you have actual evidence aside from the Homeric translations of xanthos. Please provide an argument or evidence that stands the test of genetic and artistic evidence the dark haired dark eyed side of the argument possess.
there's no argument to be made because you have never studied ancient Greek and you are in no position to talk
xanthos is used in post Homeric sources to describe things from flame, to honey, to lions, to the sun, etc...., thus it will never mean "brown" and hence why every single dictionary including those from south European experts will translate it as blonde/golden first
Are you conceding that the translation of xanthos is all the evidence you have? Odysseus' hair is described in a passage as a flower that's purple, does this mean Odysseus hair is purple? The ocean is also described as wine dark, even during the day. I wouldn't say the Aegean looks like wine. Ancient Greeks sense of color is not settled.
I'm telling you that there's little doubt whatsoever that xanthos means something along the lines of golden/blondish, maybe towards reddish-orangey-gold, because it's used as an adjective to describe various things that are generally of that color range, down to earth things of that color(including apples, I forgot about that) and in prose, not in poetry, no matter how desperately you try to cancel dictionaries because you don't like think that few people had xanthos hair.
>"Ζεὺς ἐπιστάσας μελαγκευθὲς νέφος
>σβέννυεν ξανθὰν φλόγα"
>ξανθὰν φλόγα
kuanochaita (Poseidon, Hades, Nike, etc) = black-haired
khrusokomas (Apollo, Artemis) = blond
so xanthos = brown/light brown/auburn haired
simple as
>saving this jpg
>knowing xanthos means yellow
>repeating that it doesn't and implying you aren't a homosexual denying blonde people existed in greece
gays like you claimed the greeks didn't even have a word for yellow (so how could they possibly be blonde, chekm8) for years on this very board until they got BTFO by everyone enough times
Xanthos still means blond btw
And the are blond mummies of Greek nuns in Anatolia, there's no denying that blond ancient Greeks existed just as they still do
Nice strawman. I never denied Greeks have blonde hair, what I see no evidence for is that all ancient Greeks were nordic' and we're later replaced by modern Greeks. What I also said is that Greek colors are notoriously complex and also gave you an example where the ambiguity of these were reflected in Homer's poetry. I also never denied blonde people existed in Greece, it's just that the blonde blue eyed phenotype was uncommon and was not a reflection of supposed Nordic genetics.
I think you put it very well.
I don't have any problem with Hitler saying pic rel, but has been been often subverted to mean that modern Greeks aren't the same people as the ancient natives of our lands
Apollo's hair is described as khrusokomas, not xanthos.
Are you face blind? Lower right is the G*rmanoid by Arno Breker.
Are you illiterate, or just moronic? The Tw*tter account is named GrecoRomanTroll, and even missing that the joke is obvious.
>I bet you can't tell which is Breker's
kek
>Breker's sculpture
Too tryhard, reminds me of Lookism gays squinting to get hunter eyes lol
aren't literally two or three of those samples described as light haired/eyed though?
doesn't change a single thing about the fact that there were some blonde and blue eyed peoples in ancient greece here and there
classical greek core is mycenean like, it's bound to be a minority trait in the range of modern meds
>classical greek core is mycenean like
I'm not sure about that interpretation from that blurry PCA, I feel they may be closer to iron age Balkans rather, until they are published I take that PCA with a grain of salt, the kind of projection used can change things
I agree, no one is saying that there are no blonde and blue eyed Greek people. But this doesn't indicate a phenotypical majority of the ancients, it just means, just like today, that some Greeks have blonde hair and blue eyes. Pic related, ancient samples
>no one is saying that there are no blonde and blue eyed Greek people
that's the thing, they are, and that's where it gets pathetic and even purely contradictory with mediterranist clowns, they could simply and reasonably say that there was a minority of lighter types here and there kinda like in moderns(since they also like to claim unmixed descent), instead of embarking in hilarious adventures to rewrite dictionaries and deny a single blonde existed back then and that all those words uniformly translated as gold or blond "uhm askhually meant brown"
the only clown here were those who claimed 50% steppe introgression in clasical greeks
I think I get where you're coming from. The genetic evidence itself says that there was a minority of blonde blue eyed people, and they came from the same stock as dark eyed dark haired Greeks. Problem is the case nordicists have to make is either
a) all ancients used to be blonde and blue eyed, and we're later changed by increased admixture. But the genetic evidence says different.
b) the elites were blonde and blue eyed and they ruled Greek society (problem: art indicates even Gods and heroes as dark haired and dark eyed). This is a burden of proof which requires evidence, which is lacking for nordicists. Mycenean art also clearly indicates soldiers and warriors as dark eyed and dark haired. The elite Mycenean grave found in the Lazaridis study Also shows no genetic difference between those in common graves. It just doesn't add up.
the elites being blonder isn't something far fetched, but for the same reason you find blond caliphs in al andalus Spain or Ottomans, not so much because they were foreign, rather because it's a matter of general preference for lighter women in men(hence why both early Roman and Greek women used all sorts of artifices to lighten their hair), and the elites being able to choose from a wide array of females vs the more stringent options for the masses
I agree with this, but how common was blonde hair really back then? Genetic evidence says a low amount. So the case would be that all elites had a preference for blonde blue eyed women?
don't think it was that common at all in general, the typical ancient Greek would be a brunette type, but in certain clans/families you could maybe see a spike in it for the aforementioned reasons
You won't get a perfect %, but it was clearly a strong minority but also not completely unknown. Moreover the type of blonde would likely be dirty blonde rather than bright neon yellow out of a Nordic fever dream. Since after all in that listing of emperors and their features often trotted out besides being erroneously written by a guy +400 years removed they fail to recognize:
>Subflavum
as sub (below) flavum (blonde/yellow).
That shit always tickles me. For some reason a people whose ruling caste are all one way choose to always depict themselves another in art. Just one culture? Sure, maybe it's a coding method like Egypt. But then you have mycenaeans and minoans and classical greeks and Italians all doing something (where darker browns/ blacks and ruddy-reddish hairs predominate and blondes are rare) and apparently the ruling caste was so ashamed of their vaunted fair features they never ever wanted to render them as such. It'd be like if the British Empire had Queen victoria depicted in South Africa as a wooly booly zulu and as a dotted pajeeta in India.
or perhaps they just actually looked like that
Is that why the all the elite samples so far are all dark haired? It's best not to project the anglophone bias on the ancients
Source?
die
It's just shitposting
>no one is saying that there are no blonde and blue eyed Greek people
gays spent years doing just that on this very board
But that's stupid. You can find blonde and blue eyed people even in south America, and I'm not talking about the rich inbred elites, I'm talking among the common folk. It's a minority, but it exists. I think what's argued is that WN types try to shill an ideology which says the ancients were all blonde and blue eyed, and any dark hair in Greeks comes from their unsubstantiated replacement theory where in their head canon all Greek men were castrated and all Greek women were repeatedly raped and taken as wives by ottomans, which permanently affected the genepool. A cope so proposterous that any serious person who knows about the subject knows just how foolish the notion actually is.
The majority of Greece was always Pelasgian, the Greeks were an Indo-European minority. Citizenship was primarily exclusive to the actual Greeks, and most of our ancient works by the Greeks come from them. Eventually they assimilated into and were outbred by the native Pelasgians who adopted Greek culture.
Also 400 years of Turkish rule and lots of Syrian immigration during the Roman period darkened them.
don't tell them ancient societies didn't work like 19th century European nation states, he's gonna have an heart attack
Debunked by this incoming and the first two posts
*incoming study, there's no indo-european meme. Not even among 1600 BC myceneans
The one leaked on Anthrogenica? Later ones do have some steppe admixture but nowhere near the levels of modern northern Europeans
pic rel
Highest steppe admixture since mesolithic is among byzantine greeks (doliani) who plot over modern thessaloniki greeks
>NOOOOO YOU CANT SAY THAT ITS LE DEBUNKED
Prove to me that the subjects of those studies were not of Pelasgian descent. (Real) Greeks traditionally practiced cremation, the majority of buried corpses from that period would be from the Pelasgians.
Greece has not produced anything of note in 1500 years, which coincides with their racial decline.
the OP narration gives you a description on the grave goods and status, only athenians practiced cremation
Not even in Scandanavia are people purely blonde/blue, those are recessive traits and brown eyes and darker hair appear in Nordic populations as well. Note that the OP says his skin is pale though, something which posters like OP try to minimize.
>moving the goal post
you are either baiting or low IQ. Classical greeks, including elite were high neolithic farmer-low steppe and unrelated to germanoids
Show me the skull measurements and I'll consider it.
This is the most moronic take I've ever seen. You don't have any understanding of genetics or population migrations.
I don't know why your theory wouldn't carry forth in Central Asia which was inhabited by whites before Asians migrated and took over, the remnants of that can still be seen in certain minority groups which resisted conversion to Islam and therefore racemixed a lower rates than other groups.
Pic are descendants of the Sogdians, living under Asian and Muslim occupation for 1000 years, which IQfy will likewise tell you were blacker than midnight.
>I don't know why your theory wouldn't carry forth in Central Asia
it did to a certain extent, Sintashta was lighter than CWC which in turn was lighter than early Steppe groups, such selection for lighter features had begun, but in central Asia as you said eventually there was mixing with very divergent asiatic groups from the east, not to mention south Asian groups, which didn't happen in north Europe, since essentially the genepool has remained strongly local overall since the earliest Battle-Axe related populations
it makes more sense than some environmental nonsense explanation about Scanian Europe being somehow a magnet of blondism or thinking every Indo-European group of note came from Denmark or something
else, you tell me what peculiar pressure made blondism needed in e.g Sweden but not ancient Ireland, which doesn't involve convoluted fantasies about Irishmen being descendants of Spaniards or Hebrews/Phoenicians
Because Sweden was lowly populated when it was settled by pastoralist Nordids. There have also been many waves of immigration to Ireland as testified in their own history.
>Because Sweden was lowly populated when it was settled by pastoralist Nordids.
Ireland was also essentially unpopulated when Bell Beaker folk settle there
>There have also been many waves of immigration to Ireland
such as? aside from Germanic related groups themselves?
So is the explanation for red hair in Ireland likewise “some chieftain liked redheads and so did his kids” as well? I don’t even think your point is serious enough to formulate an argument against but I’d like an answer.
Are wide noses among SEAsians a result of sexual selection as well? Short stature among Central Americans? If you can explain coloration as a result of one guys sexual preference everything can be explained as such.
>So is the explanation for red hair in Ireland likewise “some chieftain liked redheads and so did his kids” as well?
to some degree, that could be the case, yeah, that's how ancient patriarchal pastoralists societies were like and could accomplish, though of course, because you are "serious" unlike me, I guess you hold that ancient societies remained static phenotypically unless some overwhelming force of nature forced them to adapt
please tell me then, what force of nature compelled such rise in blondism and general light features in populations between Steppe_EMBA and Steppe_LBA between ~3000BC and ~1500BC?, or if you will, between early European LBK farmers and late neolithic agro-pastoral groups like Funnelbeaker and Globular Amphora?
Hyperboreans and Neanderthals. I was there.
Why are so many English lactose intolerant while so few Aussies are? Australia has it's fair share of migrants.
Large Med population particularly the Welsh.
There is pale skin and pale skin. Pale skin in an Irishman or Scandinavian burn easily in the sun, while pale skin from a Spaniard or Greek is more likely to tan and look a healthy tawny color. Mediterranean countries are very sunny, so what do you think the Greeks skin looked like after prolonged sun exposure? It's putting 2 and 2 together man come on
the paleness of nords is overrated t b h. a lot of northern europeans have a brown-orangy glow. take for example Freddie Ljunberg. He is light-skinned/white sure, but pale?
Pelasgians were much civilized than steppeBlack folk and nordics.
This is such a moronic argument it's not even worth discussing. leave
Holy cope.
yes and these actual ancient greeks had more anatolian and less indoeuropean admixture than modern greeks
completely contradicted by genetics.
>You can find blonde and blue eyed people even in south America, and I'm not talking about the rich inbred elites, I'm talking among the common folk.
Yeah, because in ancient times whites came there, colonized, and founded the civilization before crossbreeding themselves out of existence.
kek
>source: reincarnation. I was there
Blue eyes come from a single source ancestor 6-10 thousand years ago in the northwest part of the black sea region.
If natives in Mexico had it before the Spanish arrived the that proves whites were there sooner than that to introduce itm
goddamn these american morons are hopeless
You're the moron, claiming blue eyed mixicans didn't get it from whites.
there is no such thing as "whites" it's not how genetics work.
Swedes are different to germans different to slavs and so forth.
They're sub-categories of whites. Nested hierarchies exist.
Something different is something different.
Is an apple closer to a bannana than a mango?
maybe.. but it's not an apple.
"whites" only exist in the mutt usa which invented this group.
The international israelite is terrified of whites uniting again as a group to rise up and challenge their global dominance. That why your bullshit divide and conquer narrative is pushed on whites. We are one group, with variation within that group, but still it is one group.
>The international israelite is terrified of whites uniting again as a group to rise up and challenge their global dominance. That why your bullshit divide and conquer narrative is pushed on whites. We are one group, with variation within that group, but still it is one group.
Take your meds amerimutt.
Europeans have always identified with their cultural regions.
National identity is different than racial identity. Imho racial identity matters more.
Fair enough, north-west europeans are unrelated to ancient greeks, see second post
>north-west europeans are unrelated to ancient greeks
Depends on what you consider "related" modern nordics and meds are more closely related to eachother than either is to arabs, for example.
Ah yes, the common racial identity of a southern Italian, a Scandinavian, and a Welshman. All one race! Fricking amerimutt moron who can only think in binaries. I'd tell you to have sex but I know there is no way in hell you ever will.
Try telling a black that they aren't black and see how that goes. You morons only try and tell whites that being white is imaginary because why?
Because there's far more ethnic diversity in Europe then in African backwaters where everyone is the same class of Black person you moron. Why do you Frame everything as a binary to "keep whitey down". I swear this board has become /misc/ lite
That's bullshit and you know it. There's at least 5 visually distinct types of black African and Africans as a group have way more genetic variation among themselves that the white race does. Get your facts strait at least.
This is moronic /misc/speak. Europeans have always had a beautiful diversity and history. "White" is a term created my muttmericans to distinguish anglo Saxons from the rest of all people, then expanded as more European immigrants came in. A pole, an Irishman, a Welshman, a Spaniard, and an Italian are all different wonderful ethnicities that make up Europeans. Muttmericans due to their autistic German heritage just destroy everything noble and beautiful to feel better about themselves.
A Scottish man with red hair and green eyes can recognize his racial difference from a blond haired blue eyed nordic. But both identify as being in the same group with eachother when being compared to any non white race.
white people have almost nothing in common with each other except for being white
pic unrelated, i was about to post this as a thread
The whole concept of "race" is moronic judeo-muttoid cope because you have no culture or ethnicity of your own.
These are all blue
I'm Greek and I consider northern Europeans to be my brothers
No one is saying the contrary. The question is what supposed evidence do those who say that the ancient Greeks were nordic' actually have?
Well, the European peoples used to be one group before we departed from the steppes and we had different prevalent traits since then, I think Greeks, both modern and ancient are closer to Austrians and southern Germans, in appearance than to say Iberians or southern slavs. But I don't believe we would be categorized generally as nordic, we're much closer to being mediterranean
And for the most part, excluding of course the recent foreign populations to arrive in Europe, modern Greeks have maintained a racial purity not seen often
Greeks are mostly 10% steppe I believe. This is also true of the ancient Mycenean ancestors of the Greeks as well, although they have higher neolithic concentrations I believe then modern Greeks
Modern Greeks have 23% R1b and 11% R1a, if that's what you mean
I'm convinced most of the nord vs med posters are false-flagging chinks.
Or israelites, or pic rel
this
do not forget sadge
No we are actually Nord/ NE Euros
This. If they’re from a European ethnicity and are Christian (or at least not Muslim or israeli), then they’re alright with me.
South meds and Slavs are European brothers along with Germanics and Celts. It’s evidenced in how they can intermarry and get along just fine without subversion and decay.
Blue-eyed and blonde Greeks existed in the classical period just like they exist today.
They were and still are in the minority, though.
Germanic jealousy and a cope
amerimutts really think identity is just hair, skin color and eye color lol.
most had dark hair and eyes, but they did have blondes and red heads. it's a misconception that those features are exclusive to nw & eastern europeans. southern europeans, middle easterners, & north africans all have people with lighter color hair and eyes. frick nordicists, though.
Those features are genetic and have their roots in Nordic (I don't like this term as its too exclusive but I will use it for ease) influence in those societies. The moron above speaking about blondes in Latin America is likewise implying those are random traits that appear rather than stemming from a genetic influence. You will not find a single blonde haired blue eyed pure Quechan/Mayan/etc
This map definitively proves that Islam spread dark hair/dark eyes. I thought the Arab rape baby thing was a bit of a joke.
Based. Arabs are the master race
it's disingenuous to describe people with dirty blonde hair as "brown". many men with dirty blonde, almost brown hair had light blonde hair when they were younger. it changes with age.
This really doesn't prove anything other than the fact that most people have brown hair.
It did, but there was also pre-Islamic racemixing during the Roman era significantly in Greece and Italy due to large scale Levantine immigration.
In the case of Albania, 95% of paternal lineages are native to Europe. Explain that.
Around 40% of the Albanians are Sub-Saharan rapebabies.
t.
Why do you people insist on making shit up? Myceneans and Minoans had majority brown eyes and brown/black hair, just like classical Greece.
nah, it's more like proto-Germanic kept practicing and living in a very eugenic environment where gigachad chieftains breed a lot and with light women, and in turn their sons keep doing it, rinse and repeat for many generations, and so on on a large-ish scale thanks to the low population densities and the lack of civilization constraining it by having around masses of breeder-workers taking the scraps
the proto-Hellenes likely had few blondes here and there, but need not to have been any blonder or lighter than e.g Spaniards are, but because they settled and incorporated in a civilized society, this sort of eugenic process could absolutely not be kept up except maybe some elites, so no, there's no need imho for any historical Hellenic population to have been anything but largely brunette
exceptions of course could be there e.g Sparta would be relatively endogamic on small scales, and IIRC their women were called fair haired
frick germanimaI1s their John Persons tier founder effect.
Art and genetics say they were overwhelmingly brown/black hair, including the higher classes, as art portrays Gods and heroes with dark hair and eyes as well.
just who are the people seething by making these threads? are they the same people making anti christian ones?
Whites enjoy arguing with eachother about what subset of whites is closest to the pure root stock and gets the most credit for the achievements of the white race.
That's funny because ancient Greeks have only about 10% steppe admixture. Most Greeks descend from Anatolian farmers. And guess what the first civilization (Greek obviously) of Europe looked like? Dark haired and dark eyed. Myceneans were also 3/4 similar to Minoans, which means the Minoans were Greek, as nordicists like to cope pretending Minoans were Egyptians. So those closer to the Steppe genetics were lower tier steppeBlack folk whilst Anatolian farmers are synonymous with civilization. So being closer to the Steppe isn't worthy of pedigree, but demonstrates backwardness.
>the first civilization (Greek obviously)
You really believe that?
Yes, I actually believe the archaeological evidence instead of Varg tier bullshit to soothe egos. Where is the credible evidence of a Scythian civilization? Inb4 Scythians are the first civilization because they were white, when in reality Greek art portrays the Scythians as brown hair/eyed people.
If believing that makes you happy, then go for it. If you're interested in learning some truth then watch the documentary. It's 100% sourced and referenced.
Lots of people labeled as Scythians on G25 datasheet plot with modern Balkan pops/Italians. Scythian lifestyle was adopted in different neighborhoods by different groups of people.
That makes sense, explains why the Ossetians are just like the rest of the caucasoid people.
the scythians descend from lost tribe of israel though
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.127555v1.full.pdf
>We find evidence for substantial migration from the ancestors of present-day Eurasians into African groups between 40 and 70 thousand years ago, predating the divergence of Eastern and Western Eurasian lineages. This event accounts for previously unexplained genetic diversity in African populations, and supports the existence of novel population substructure in the Late Middle Paleolithic. Our results indicate that our species’ demographic history around the out-of-Africa event is more complex than previously appreciated.
>In light of these recent studies, the observations in this paper add to a growing body of evidence for complex population structure and migration surrounding the Out of Africa event leading to a substantial replacement of the African population in the Late Middle Paleolithic.
the appearance of heightened genetic diversity among sub-Saharan Africans compared to Eurasians is actually an artifact of a previously unrecognized ancient Eurasian contribution to the African genepool
lots of interesting things on this site, and lots of bullshit.
many people here are looking for a view of history that serves their personal needs and helps them build an identity they find satisfying. I consider this video an example.
Yeah, God forbid white people be tired of being told they're the spawn of Satan everywhere they go.
criticism of white people is usually not geared toward inherent racial characteristics of white people
Let's not learn about how whites brought education, medicine, industrialized society, and the rule of law to the far flung corners of the earth. Instead, let's focus education at all levels on how the white man destroyed native cultures and stole resources from poor non whites whose lives we would be led to believe are worse in every way because of their contact with whites. Weren't monsters, and maybe not heros, but we did good things that helped people, everywhere.
>whites brought education, medicine, industrialized society, and the rule of law to the far flung corners of the earth
This wasn't a good thing.
It allowed you to be here so you are right.
Globohomosexual shill.
I was being sarcastic.
Yeah and you're still a shill.
For my race, sure.
You're moronic.
WE WUZ SCYTHIANS AN SHIIIET
Pic related, actual mosaic of a Scythian
When? Scythian history is long and population demographics aren't static.
More than anything else, rich whites bring poverty to the rest of the world. IMF and World Bank loans allow international corporations to syphon wealth and resources out of the global south under the permissive authority of western-backed governments. Governments that try to resist are couped. Today 9 million people starve to death every year, and western neocolonialism is largely to blame.
Yeah, we shouldn't bring them civilization. They would remain primitive HGs, farmers and pastoralists and there wouldn't be so many of them.
>gets called out for israeliteing every nation under the sun
>w-w-we brought them civilization!
israelites have run Europe since Rothschild took over the bank of England.
>Rothschild
rich israelites and rich christians were a team. both wanted what rich people always want. neither controlled the other
t. Varg
>Instead, let's focus education at all levels on how the white man destroyed native cultures and stole resources from poor non whites whose lives we would be led to believe are worse in every way because of their contact with whites
Yes
all this crying only makes me hate whiteys more, pretty pathetic crocodile tears
Like EVERY great ancient civilization. There was a blonde haired/blue eyed ruling class, And a brown haired/brown eyed commoner class.
I’m not even a nordBlack person. I’m african.
Like EVERY great civilization. There was a dark haired/brown eyed ruling class
half of them have blue eyes
The dorians were illyric and related to modern Albanians. The dorians came from the north. Either they were nordBlack person conquerors or proto-Albanian indo-European elite. Those are the only two choices. The myceanes the same, that one elite with j2a proves nothing since they absorbed local nobility or some thing.
Kys albo, you Will Always be a muzzie subhuman
Can’t debunk the truth because it’s truth hahahhah Jealous subhuman trash. The dorians spawned from us.
Dorians came from the north during the migrations of the late Bronze Age. There were no dorians in Bronze Age Greece. Dorians were Iron Age aristocratic rulers of native grecians.
Iron Age samples from the Balkans look like more farmerized North Italians.
All the ydna is Albanian. Kys
"Tenea" sample in pca second post is dorian, now kys
and what age is that sample huh homosexual?
500 BC and plots like 1600 BC Myceneans, dorians didn't come from the north
>lactose intolerance
Nordoids BTFO
And what’s the ydna?
Lmao keep coping. You WUZZnt Greeks. Greeks are tawny like the lion, virile brunettes and there's nothing you can do about it. Stay mad
Dorians were likely J2b-l283, or E-V13 or R1b-Y5595 or R1b-PF7563...all Albanian lineages. When they find a Dorian that can have their ydna sample it will be over for you “Greeks”.
Greeks had a civilization before DoriaBlack folk. They also only had about 10% Steppe, proved by genetics in two different studies. DoriaBlack folk ruled Greece in the dark ages, after destroying civilization. Albanian WE WUZZing is pathetic as nordicists.
Albanians were we wuzzing about illyrians but it turned out to be true thanks to Bronze Age Croatian grave samples. It’s going to happen for Dorians. Albanians know their ancestry thanks to genetic memory.
>it turned out to be true
Iron age balcans are north-italian like unrelated to albanian subhumans
Autosomically they had nothing to do with albanians who themselves are post roman empire people. Any of those haplis found among greeks is unrelated to 80 iq balcan muslims
All their ydna is Albanian. Continue being a dumbfrick hahahah
Makes sense as the Myceneans actually had a civilization, and DoriaBlack folk ruled during the dark ages. Also classical Greeks have only 10% Steppe and are mostly Anatolian farmers. Myceneans also only had 1/4 Steppe I think, and Minoans hadnone, and Minoans were almost purely Anatolian farmers. Really gets the noggin joggin. Pic related Mycenean art
there's no genetic difference between the dorians and other hellenes. Dorians coming from the north was already debunked by archeology
no it wasn't, and archaeology is not hard science
the Beaker phenomenon as a demic process in England was also DEBOONKED as you braindead redditors like to say, before genetics knocked the door and turned it upside down
filthy shiptar
Ancient Greeks were BLACK BVLLS.
Can they really get their diet composition from archeogenetics, like really?
the issue here is that people who post on IQfy have no idea what culture is
everything has to be race, because culture does not exist anymore in our understanding
also, the material circumstances that shape cultures. how food is obtained. geography, climate, geopolitics, etc.
it's kinda like how starving dogs fight over scraps, but instead it's humiliated wage slaves squabbling for racial dignity because they cannot have economic dignity
That's 99% the times done by non-europeans, trying to D&C
I'm going to draw a picture where my race looks good and your race looks bad
That'll show you
>Fast-twitch mucles
Based Olympians
Do you realise that they are only good for running aka being a prey. They are useless in actual combat and strength related feats.
fast-twitch muscles are good for lifting weights. Literally said so in the OP
the people on this website are so pathetic
no shit these people have zero worth and produce nothing
slow-twitch masterrace reporting in
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