Why are there so many abstract painters and serial composers but Finnegans Wake never generated much in the way of disciples or epigones?

Why are there so many abstract painters and serial composers but Finnegans Wake never generated much in the way of disciples or epigones?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    your fricking dumb it takes 5 minutes to “understand” some abstract piece of art and create your own but you would have to actually read Wake and then jerk of for twenty years to write your own

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hasn't read any postwar american poetry

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're telling me Robert Frost is incoherent?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gertrude and Ludwig's Bogus Adventure
      By Charles Bernstein

      for Gabriele Mintz

      As Billy goes higher all the balloons
      Get marooned on the other side of the
      Lunar landscape. The module’s broke—
      It seems like for an eternity, but who’s
      Counting—and Sally’s joined the Moonies
      So we don’t see so much of her anyhow.
      Notorious novelty—I’d settle for a good
      Cup of Chase & Sand-borne—though when
      The strings are broken on the guitar
      You can always use it as a coffee table.
      Vienna was cold at that time of year.
      The sachertorte tasted sweet but the memory
      burned in the colon. Get a grip, get a grip, before
      The Grippe gets you. Glad to see the picture
      Of ink—the pitcher that pours before
      Throwing the Ball, with never a catcher in sight.
      Never a catcher but sometimes a catch, or
      A clinch or a clutch or a spoon—never a
      Catcher but plenty o’flack, ’till we meet
      On this side of the tune.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I understood a lot of that.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

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          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >by Literally Who

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            same lad as before

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so its doubly irrelevant

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're telling me Robert Frost is incoherent?

          Finnegan’s wake is not incoherent you moron.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Spbp
      Op is a gay and so are all le rong generation redditors

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

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    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Okay

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Abstract painters may have attempted to defy conventions in the field with avante-guard pieces but at the end of day quite a good deal of abstract art is still visually appealing. Joyce was trying to create a language, it's definitely a good way to defy industry norms but it also requires the reader to know about the language which is inherently a higher hurdle to cross since you can't just fall back on it being visually appealing, how many people outside of higher order thinkers and people wired for decoding and encryption are going to bother spending that much time on one book since there are no other works for them to branch out towards afterwards?

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Music and painting can exist perfectly well without a subject-matter, at least without any obvious or stated subject-matter. Painting of this kind is called “abstract.” Musicians used to distinguish between “program” music and “absolute” music. The latter term meant music without a literary text or any specific illustrative intention, that is to say, instrumental music of an introspective nature. Neither “abstract” painting nor “absolute” music is any “purer” than any other kind of painting or music, and no painter or musician ever pretends it is. It is merely more obscure. When painters speak of “purity of line,” they mean a complete lack of obscurity. When they speak of a “pure” color, they mean a shade that is unequivocal. Say an artist’s intentions are “pure,” if you must. That means he is not commercial-minded. The word pure cannot possibly have any meaning when applied to the content or structure of literature. Poetry could be pure only if it could be devoid of meaning, which it can’t. You can make nonsense poetry, certainly; you can dissociate and reassociate words. But you cannot take the meanings out of words; you simply can’t. You can only readjust their order. And nobody can or ever does write poetry without a subject.
    What subjects, then, are available to the poet today? Practically none. Money, political events, heroism, science, mathematical logic, crime, the libido, the sexual variations, the limits of personality, the theory of revolution: the incidents of all these are more graphically recited by journalists, the principles better explained by specialists. There really isn’t much left for the heirs of Homer and Shakespeare to do but to add their case-histories to the documentation of introspective psychology by the practice of automatic writing. Highly trained in linguistics (though the philologists are not bad at that either) and wearing the mantle of the Great Tradition, admired unreasonably and feared not unreasonably (for they are desperate men), they still have, as poets, no civil status, no social function, no serious job to do, and no income.
    They haven’t even any audience to speak of. For some time now they have been depending mainly on one another for applause. Hence the pretentiousness and the high intellectual tone of all they write. I mean that for fifty years poetry has mostly been read by other poets, and that for a good thirty years now has mostly been written to be read by other poets.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      The impasse is complete. Contemporary civilization has no place for the poet save one of mere honor. Science, learning, journalism, fiction, religion, magic, and politics, all his ancient bailiwicks, are closed to him formally and completely. He is allowed to render small services to these now and then as a disseminator of existing knowledge. He is always regarded, however, by the specialists as a possible betrayer; and consequently at no time is he allowed to speak of such subjects with any but a temporarily delegated authority.
      His lot is a tragic one. Nothing is left him of his art but an epigone’s skill and some hereditary prestige. This last is still large enough to give him face in front of his co-citizens and to keep up the recruiting. It doesn’t pay anything at all, of course. It won’t buy a beer, a bus-fare, or a contraceptive. Nor does it prevent the darkest despair from seizing him when he is alone.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Painters got bodied by the invention of the camera and coped by making squiggles and triangles.

    Classical musicians got wrecked by recording devices and pop music, so raised a ruckus of dissonant noise.

    The written word has never been outmoded and never will be, so conventions of high quality are still with us.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Artists can make money by selling one million dollar "work" to an eccentric billionaire. Writers have to appeal to members of the public who haven't been brainwashed by going to art school.

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