Why are there so many abstract painters and serial composers but Finnegans Wake never generated much in the way of disciples or epigones?
Why are there so many abstract painters and serial composers but Finnegans Wake never generated much in the way of disciples or epigones?
your fricking dumb it takes 5 minutes to “understand” some abstract piece of art and create your own but you would have to actually read Wake and then jerk of for twenty years to write your own
>hasn't read any postwar american poetry
You're telling me Robert Frost is incoherent?
Gertrude and Ludwig's Bogus Adventure
By Charles Bernstein
for Gabriele Mintz
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Get marooned on the other side of the
Lunar landscape. The module’s broke—
It seems like for an eternity, but who’s
Counting—and Sally’s joined the Moonies
So we don’t see so much of her anyhow.
Notorious novelty—I’d settle for a good
Cup of Chase & Sand-borne—though when
The strings are broken on the guitar
You can always use it as a coffee table.
Vienna was cold at that time of year.
The sachertorte tasted sweet but the memory
burned in the colon. Get a grip, get a grip, before
The Grippe gets you. Glad to see the picture
Of ink—the pitcher that pours before
Throwing the Ball, with never a catcher in sight.
Never a catcher but sometimes a catch, or
A clinch or a clutch or a spoon—never a
Catcher but plenty o’flack, ’till we meet
On this side of the tune.
I understood a lot of that.
then we're ready for
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Okay, so its doubly irrelevant
Finnegan’s wake is not incoherent you moron.
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Abstract painters may have attempted to defy conventions in the field with avante-guard pieces but at the end of day quite a good deal of abstract art is still visually appealing. Joyce was trying to create a language, it's definitely a good way to defy industry norms but it also requires the reader to know about the language which is inherently a higher hurdle to cross since you can't just fall back on it being visually appealing, how many people outside of higher order thinkers and people wired for decoding and encryption are going to bother spending that much time on one book since there are no other works for them to branch out towards afterwards?
Music and painting can exist perfectly well without a subject-matter, at least without any obvious or stated subject-matter. Painting of this kind is called “abstract.” Musicians used to distinguish between “program” music and “absolute” music. The latter term meant music without a literary text or any specific illustrative intention, that is to say, instrumental music of an introspective nature. Neither “abstract” painting nor “absolute” music is any “purer” than any other kind of painting or music, and no painter or musician ever pretends it is. It is merely more obscure. When painters speak of “purity of line,” they mean a complete lack of obscurity. When they speak of a “pure” color, they mean a shade that is unequivocal. Say an artist’s intentions are “pure,” if you must. That means he is not commercial-minded. The word pure cannot possibly have any meaning when applied to the content or structure of literature. Poetry could be pure only if it could be devoid of meaning, which it can’t. You can make nonsense poetry, certainly; you can dissociate and reassociate words. But you cannot take the meanings out of words; you simply can’t. You can only readjust their order. And nobody can or ever does write poetry without a subject.
What subjects, then, are available to the poet today? Practically none. Money, political events, heroism, science, mathematical logic, crime, the libido, the sexual variations, the limits of personality, the theory of revolution: the incidents of all these are more graphically recited by journalists, the principles better explained by specialists. There really isn’t much left for the heirs of Homer and Shakespeare to do but to add their case-histories to the documentation of introspective psychology by the practice of automatic writing. Highly trained in linguistics (though the philologists are not bad at that either) and wearing the mantle of the Great Tradition, admired unreasonably and feared not unreasonably (for they are desperate men), they still have, as poets, no civil status, no social function, no serious job to do, and no income.
They haven’t even any audience to speak of. For some time now they have been depending mainly on one another for applause. Hence the pretentiousness and the high intellectual tone of all they write. I mean that for fifty years poetry has mostly been read by other poets, and that for a good thirty years now has mostly been written to be read by other poets.
The impasse is complete. Contemporary civilization has no place for the poet save one of mere honor. Science, learning, journalism, fiction, religion, magic, and politics, all his ancient bailiwicks, are closed to him formally and completely. He is allowed to render small services to these now and then as a disseminator of existing knowledge. He is always regarded, however, by the specialists as a possible betrayer; and consequently at no time is he allowed to speak of such subjects with any but a temporarily delegated authority.
His lot is a tragic one. Nothing is left him of his art but an epigone’s skill and some hereditary prestige. This last is still large enough to give him face in front of his co-citizens and to keep up the recruiting. It doesn’t pay anything at all, of course. It won’t buy a beer, a bus-fare, or a contraceptive. Nor does it prevent the darkest despair from seizing him when he is alone.
Painters got bodied by the invention of the camera and coped by making squiggles and triangles.
Classical musicians got wrecked by recording devices and pop music, so raised a ruckus of dissonant noise.
The written word has never been outmoded and never will be, so conventions of high quality are still with us.
Artists can make money by selling one million dollar "work" to an eccentric billionaire. Writers have to appeal to members of the public who haven't been brainwashed by going to art school.