Why are things such as Manga able to convey such strong representations of philosophies through their stories yet books just feel like boring garbage. Are there any books that actually represent philosophies and make you feel things instead of just feeling like you're reading cardboard?
>manga
have a nice day.
>moronic bait thread
Well, since this is going to be such a popular thread anyway, might as well try to put in a bid for actual discussion.
>Favorite Book
>Favorite Manga
>Write a paragraph about the poster above's taste
>Write a sentence about why OP is a gay.
I'll break your rules off the bat and do
Favorite classic
>Jane Eyre
Favorite contemporary
>Okri's The Famsihed Road
Favorite Mango
>Mushishi
I'll skip the name-calling because others are better at it than I likely am
Too hard to decide favorites so here are main ones I can think of that I enjoyed.
>Favorite Book
Tartar Steppe and Storm of Steel are the ones I can think of right now.
>Favorite Manga
Houseki no Kuni/Youjo Senki/Oyasumi Punpun all three are ones I enjoyed and are in my top five for sure. Monster was good too.
>OP taste
Fine
>OP a gay
Yeah very obvious bait and brainlet take. I refuse to believe this poster actual thinks this.
yet you can't retort as other anons have done successfully
music is the first form of art
then we have visual art in different mediums
then comes oration, acting, performance
last and least comes the accountant/artist counting every word for he is paid in units, unable to generate his work like the previous artists above him he requires copious tries and retries, editing and workshopping, he needs all the help he can get a normal tactic is to ply a local drunk with alcohol and feverishly scrawl down all of his ramblings and then foist them off on your unsuspecting reader as your own characters deep insights into the human condition.
if manga was only text it wouldnt work, but if it was only images it would be ever better.
>anon can't grasp gesamtkunstwerk
is GLT worth reading/watching?
It might be depending on what you expect. It's only 6 volumes and tells the story it intends to, so might as well read it if you're curious. The anime doesn't adapt it completely, so you'd end up switching to the manga anyway.
They are not 100% woke trash. At least not all of them.
Westoid comics are a mistake.
They allow themeselves to be cringe. In the west because we have such a large scene of critics that do "deeper analysis". Artists needs to conform to series of stupid and arbitrary rules or else have their work trashed. These arbitrary rules used to be about making everything “dense” and serious and have now morphed into everything needing to be PC.
I do like the fact that the manga scene seems to have this "creativity for the sake of creativity" feel about it.
People in the West are now almost so obsessed with making the next "great work" or "saying something relevent", that we have almost completely lost that sense of playfulness, at least outside of the online meme sphere, which might occasionally stretch into indie games or Adult Swim cartoons.
I’ve noticed anime and manga have 2 things above western work.
1. More likely then not they’re inherently absurd to the point of being crazy but despite this they take themselves completely seriously which is cool. Almost like dream logic. It’s also natural, there’s absurd works in the western world to be it has to be put in the “absurd category” to be absurd so it doesn’t have the same feeling. While in anime it’s natural to the medium when it happens. Jojo and Baki are both silly examples of this.
2. I think they’re much better at conveying personal philosophy and mindsets inherent and intimate to the individual. I think this is because the Japanese are more lonely. While the USA focuses on interpersonal relationships instead. Lain is a good example of this
This is a weird way to explain it but if the Russian underground man book didn’t exist and a Japanese and US author made their own versions of the book in the same time accidentally, the Japanese version would probably be better and more along the lines of the real underground man book. With the og getting so deep in the nuances.
Not that either countries works is inherently better then the other. The USA is better then japan in some things.
Yeah I think I can agree with this, a lot of modern western thought is trash or hidden rather then being found readily. I can't think of much western stuff that drew my interest besides older books. Yeah I can't think of anything, oh well.
Japanese storytelling as a whole is amazing in it's interest in deep topics, gauche shallowness in exploring them, yet offensive focus of said topics in presentation.
It's like a screaming moron attempting to explain solipsism or some shit.
I was going to call out your moronic bait post, but you posted girls last tour, so I guess I can overlook it this time.
severely underrated
Not at all. It's okay and that's it.
My friend, have you considered that you just have a particular taste? There are people who read philosophy and don't find it boring.
I think people enjoy stories for a variety of reasons, but usually a story is not going to engage with philosophy as deeply as a work which is solely dedicated to it. Perhaps you just don't like philosophy enough to engage with it directly but instead view it as something that can add spice to a thing you were going to enjoy regardless.
Also, there is something to be said for rhetorical technique. If I told you "nothing good lasts forever" you'd be very unimpressed with an obvious truism. If you read an entire novel where you follow characters as they triumph and then slowly wither, fade into obscurity, and die the same theme can be felt to have a deeper resonance. Its worth considering whether the rhetorical and structural elements of the narrative add something to that theme or just allow us to understand the original theme when simply stating it is not sufficient.
Try Inio Asano. Want to feel a certain way? He will make you depressed for sure.
It's difficult to convey a profound truth and philosophy with words. Nietzsche talks about how writing down an idea kills it, and how his thinking felt dead when he put them on a page.