>autoeq.app to get a profile for your headphones
that's dumb
even same brand headphones have different frequency responses(because the whole industry is scammy)
you're supposed to eq yourself based on your ears
just do a sinesweep and make the loud and quiet parts go away, it's simple
>even same brand headphones have different frequency responses(because the whole industry is scammy)
maybe if you buy audeze, go look up sennheiser hd650 on gras rig, they all look the same
it's a marketing term and means nothing
frequency response of a headphone shouldnt be flat anyway
2 months ago
Anonymous
Flat for headphones usually means flat-sounding, which generally means some flavour of harman target. Nobody markets actually flat-response headphones as "flat"
2 months ago
Anonymous
harman is only 10-15 years old and the term is much older than that, harman wasnt even popular for a long time, flat only applies to compensated graphs which tells you frick all about how they actually perform
2 months ago
Anonymous
Harman target is not flat-sounding.
It is heavily bass-boosted.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Depends, and that's why I said some flavour of it, because some people adjust it themselves to make similar target curves but with e.g. less bass or stuff like that. The basic shape stays similar though
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's lightly bass boosted, because that's what flat speakers sound like outside of an anechoic chamber, i.e. where practically everybody uses them. Treble is much easier to absorb than bass, so natural room acoustics always give you bass boost.
I use more bass boost than Harman curve, because it lets me listen at lower volume and still sound good. AutoEQ custom target:
https://pastebin.com/gFsrYDs4
Sub bass could be increased even more if you have planars.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, 6 dB is a large bass boost.
The only way you're getting that much room gain is by playing shit way too fricking loud - loud enough to cause hearing damage.
I'd imagine most of us with flat speakers probably have monitors about a meter away at around a 60 degree angle on our desks.
Such a setup, at a reasonable volume that doesn't induce hearing loss, is absolutely not going to lead to 6 dB of room gain.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No room EQ effects are affected by playback volume. 6dB bass boost is reasonable for a largish room.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, 6 dB is a large bass boost.
The only way you're getting that much room gain is by playing shit way too fricking loud - loud enough to cause hearing damage.
I'd imagine most of us with flat speakers probably have monitors about a meter away at around a 60 degree angle on our desks.
Such a setup, at a reasonable volume that doesn't induce hearing loss, is absolutely not going to lead to 6 dB of room gain.
Also, Harman target is NOT based on speakers equalized to flat then played back in a room.
It's based on speakers equalized to Harman's custom room curve in a room. Big difference.
Their room curve just happens to feature heavily melanated bass.
you probably dont run both off through the same audio interface so you could automate it
2 months ago
Anonymous
I do, I just plug the headphones in when I want to use them.
2 months ago
Anonymous
your pc can probably detect that then
More like e-coping
objectively false
Most headphones already have EQ to them unless you're using reference/studio monitors that are supposed to have a flat response. Personally, I don't use headphones as my workspace IS a studio so I have amazing monitors and room treatment and headphones would be a downgrade.
>Most headphones already have EQ to them
Only active ones so ones that include their own audio interface and connect through bluetooth or usb
Even the ones that use DSP dont get it right, fricking apple still tunes their headphones to literal flat response (which is objectively wrong and preferred by nobody)
2 months ago
Anonymous
>your pc can probably detect that then
Nah, I plug them into the headphone amp which has another output on the back which goes to the speaker amp.
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Just automate it. You'd only be unable to if you plug in your speakers and headphones into the same output port. Like unplug speakers, plug in headphones into same port, and then unplug headphones, and plug in speakers again when you're done.
Even then, both my PC and Phone identify different headphones plugged into the same port and restore EQ and volume settings.
>You'd only be unable to if you plug in your speakers and headphones into the same output port.
I plug the headphones into a headphone amp. The PC doesn't know when I switch between headphones and speakers.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you plug your speakers into a headphone amp?
2 months ago
Anonymous
It has an output on the back meant for this purpose, yes. Also that's where the speaker amp is connected, not the speakers themselves.
2 months ago
Anonymous
When I say they already have EQ I mean they already have their own frequency response curve. So unless you're fixing part of the curve because you dislike it then there's no need for EQ or you need different headphones with a response you prefer.
In the end it's literally all preference and whatever sounds good to you sounds good to you. Headphones, like keyboards, are mostly an autistic hobby/meme if you go into getting special pairs and expensive pairs and worrying about preamps and EQs. You're better off actually training your ears and understanding what goes into making the sounds to better enjoy them, but no one ever does that.
Same reason, I'd have to turn it on and off when I put my headphones on which would be a pain in the ass.
I do, I just plug the headphones in when I want to use them.
Just automate it. You'd only be unable to if you plug in your speakers and headphones into the same output port. Like unplug speakers, plug in headphones into same port, and then unplug headphones, and plug in speakers again when you're done.
Even then, both my PC and Phone identify different headphones plugged into the same port and restore EQ and volume settings.
Most headphones already have EQ to them unless you're using reference/studio monitors that are supposed to have a flat response. Personally, I don't use headphones as my workspace IS a studio so I have amazing monitors and room treatment and headphones would be a downgrade.
>0 downsides
Only top tier planars respond with "0 downsides" to EQ. Many dynamic drivers have too much distortion, typically in the bass, which when boosted with EQ will be audible.
>Many dynamic drivers have too much distortion
that's not true >which when boosted with EQ will be audible.
that's not true either a lot of the time and distortion would still be audible without EQ
distortion anywhere outside off <300hz is not a problem on headphones and EQ has 0 downsides in areas above that which is the most important part of sound
Maybe it's just me but post-processing the input signal to make it the output better instead of improving the output seems like a bad idea in terms of quality.
>seems like
great argument, must be true if you say so
When I say they already have EQ I mean they already have their own frequency response curve. So unless you're fixing part of the curve because you dislike it then there's no need for EQ or you need different headphones with a response you prefer.
In the end it's literally all preference and whatever sounds good to you sounds good to you. Headphones, like keyboards, are mostly an autistic hobby/meme if you go into getting special pairs and expensive pairs and worrying about preamps and EQs. You're better off actually training your ears and understanding what goes into making the sounds to better enjoy them, but no one ever does that.
>In the end it's literally all preference
this is laughably wrong and if you have more than 110 iq you wouldnt ever think that for even a second but if you still choose to believe it, it has been debooonked a billion times
music is mastered on a reference setup, music is supposed to sound like on the reference setup
if your music sounds good on a headphone that doesnt sound like reference, then it's a shit mix
There is 0 personal preference, this has been proven many times by different studies. Good sound is objective, the only personalization you should do is adjustment for hearing loss >You're better off actually training your ears and understanding what goes into making the sounds to better enjoy them, but no one ever does that.
you are absolutely clueless and have 0 idea what youre talking about >I mean they already have their own frequency response curve
what is that even supposed to mean?
even if headphones were tuned to some particular target (which they arent a lot of the time), the are always limited by technical capabilities of manufacturer and cost. Nobody prefers a shit headphone with distortion and a 5dB resonance peak or 1khz wide phase cancellation because it doesnt represent the recording properly
It has an output on the back meant for this purpose, yes. Also that's where the speaker amp is connected, not the speakers themselves.
then why are you such a moron? connect your headphone amp to the pc, problem solved
what do you even need a headphone amp for?
i meant speaker amp you fricking mong
if it's USB then it's not a problem and if it's passive in then your motherboard definitely has a 3,5mm jack so how am i the moron here?
>t. audio engineer
not something to be proud of quite frankly
2 months ago
Anonymous
When did I say I was proud about it? Being a creative is soulless and draining in both life and income. Luckily I steered away from making it a shitty career and got a real job.
EQ literally only matters for two options. You either have shitty cheap headphones with terrible frequency response on them you need to correct. Or you have a stereo in a room and you are correcting for the issues in the room. The secret third option is you prefer stuff personally to be more bass or treble or whatever you so you adjust for taste.
>You either have shitty cheap headphones with terrible frequency response on them you need to correct
yeah let's see what great headphones youre using homosexual
I don't use headphones. I have a studio with monitors and room treatment.
2 months ago
Anonymous
what studio monitors
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
yeah bro i can tell from this angle especially since all jbl monitors dont look literally the same
You'll never hear what the "author" intended without literally being in the room with them when they mastered it. Although they will reference on multiple speakers and setups and headphones these days because they know they have to succumb to the lowest common denominator like people playing on their phones and shit.
>You'll never hear what the "author" intended without literally being in the room with them when they mastered it
the point of equalization to neutral targets is to get as close to it as possible you literal fricking ape >Although they will reference on multiple speakers and setups and headphones these days because they know they have to succumb to the lowest common denominator like people playing on their phones and shit.
wrong, are you saying this because you watched the fat moron video where hes spasming about mastering for 15 minutes and gets everything wrong? >an shieeet
I am. I significantly boost the high range and low range on my right side to account for some hearing loss.
equalizerapo program for windows
play with sliders until it sounds good
>play with sliders until it sounds good
yeah dude it's gonna work
Harman target is not flat-sounding.
It is heavily bass-boosted.
then dont boost the bass dumbass? it's even addressed in the study
even something like hd650s or like hd598s will be fine for purposes like these
shitty headphones means like $20 walmart headphones, or sometimes some overhyped brand that sounds complete shit but coasts on brand prestige at any price point (this ranges from dr. dre to even like $10k headphones that have a special """"flavour"""" that actually just fricks up the sound)
any normal, known decent headphone in the $100+ price range will be fine
See this and tell me again that DT990 pro is a good headphone you are absolutely fricking spastic, there is 0 absolutey, 0 fricking reason why should you settle for shit sound when you can fix it for free without any side effects but you troglodyte ape will still insist for whatever fricking reason and you have given not a single fricking argument
if the only parameters for a headphone you care about are price and popularity then i wonder how do you manage to breathe through your nose but you probably dont
can't even import the txt file into EasyEffects. How does this even fricking work?
yes you can you literal Black person have you tried reading what the buttons do?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you repeatedly reply with incorrect nonsense?
2 months ago
Anonymous
there is no import button you dumbass
2 months ago
Anonymous
how are you this fricking moronic
Why do you repeatedly reply with incorrect nonsense?
good argument bud you really got me this time
2 months ago
Anonymous
I've literally explained it to you multiple times and you just come back like a moronic ape every time.
even something like hd650s or like hd598s will be fine for purposes like these
shitty headphones means like $20 walmart headphones, or sometimes some overhyped brand that sounds complete shit but coasts on brand prestige at any price point (this ranges from dr. dre to even like $10k headphones that have a special """"flavour"""" that actually just fricks up the sound)
any normal, known decent headphone in the $100+ price range will be fine
Using EQ is like using those shitty oversaturated Reshade presets in games. I want to listen to what the author intended. The only deviation from that which I can accept is the flair of the specific pair of headphones I'm wearing.
You'll never hear what the "author" intended without literally being in the room with them when they mastered it. Although they will reference on multiple speakers and setups and headphones these days because they know they have to succumb to the lowest common denominator like people playing on their phones and shit.
EQ makes a huge difference. If you've never listened to your music on correctly EQed headphones you're probably missing a shitload of details. Even if you want flat sound, it's practically impossible to make headphones that sound like flat speakers without EQ.
But I am
I don't know how to
Same
autoeq.app to get a profile for your headphones
EqualizerAPO if you're on Windows
EasyEffects on Linux
> go to autoeq.app
> look for exact headphones in OP's pic (HD650)
> no results
Yep. That's about what I'd expect.
have you tried "hd 650" you fricking idiot
Oh, my bad. I thought a website with such an advance design would have done something as basic as implementing fuzzy search.
Or consistently named the headphones.
i know
google oratory1990 eq reddit and just pick a preset, those are made by hand instead of calculated
>autoeq.app to get a profile for your headphones
that's dumb
even same brand headphones have different frequency responses(because the whole industry is scammy)
you're supposed to eq yourself based on your ears
just do a sinesweep and make the loud and quiet parts go away, it's simple
>even same brand headphones have different frequency responses(because the whole industry is scammy)
maybe if you buy audeze, go look up sennheiser hd650 on gras rig, they all look the same
can't even import the txt file into EasyEffects. How does this even fricking work?
I am. I significantly boost the high range and low range on my right side to account for some hearing loss.
equalizerapo program for windows
play with sliders until it sounds good
They suck anyway
Because I use reference studio "flat" headphones and I got used to them.
there isnt a single headphone on the market that is even close to reference
Yeah, I'm aware. That's why "flat" is in quotations.
it's a marketing term and means nothing
frequency response of a headphone shouldnt be flat anyway
Flat for headphones usually means flat-sounding, which generally means some flavour of harman target. Nobody markets actually flat-response headphones as "flat"
harman is only 10-15 years old and the term is much older than that, harman wasnt even popular for a long time, flat only applies to compensated graphs which tells you frick all about how they actually perform
Harman target is not flat-sounding.
It is heavily bass-boosted.
Depends, and that's why I said some flavour of it, because some people adjust it themselves to make similar target curves but with e.g. less bass or stuff like that. The basic shape stays similar though
It's lightly bass boosted, because that's what flat speakers sound like outside of an anechoic chamber, i.e. where practically everybody uses them. Treble is much easier to absorb than bass, so natural room acoustics always give you bass boost.
I use more bass boost than Harman curve, because it lets me listen at lower volume and still sound good. AutoEQ custom target:
https://pastebin.com/gFsrYDs4
Sub bass could be increased even more if you have planars.
No, 6 dB is a large bass boost.
The only way you're getting that much room gain is by playing shit way too fricking loud - loud enough to cause hearing damage.
I'd imagine most of us with flat speakers probably have monitors about a meter away at around a 60 degree angle on our desks.
Such a setup, at a reasonable volume that doesn't induce hearing loss, is absolutely not going to lead to 6 dB of room gain.
No room EQ effects are affected by playback volume. 6dB bass boost is reasonable for a largish room.
Also, Harman target is NOT based on speakers equalized to flat then played back in a room.
It's based on speakers equalized to Harman's custom room curve in a room. Big difference.
Their room curve just happens to feature heavily melanated bass.
I use speakers most of the time and I don't want to bother with turning EQ on and off constantly.
why arent you eqing your speakers
Same reason, I'd have to turn it on and off when I put my headphones on which would be a pain in the ass.
you probably dont run both off through the same audio interface so you could automate it
I do, I just plug the headphones in when I want to use them.
your pc can probably detect that then
objectively false
>Most headphones already have EQ to them
Only active ones so ones that include their own audio interface and connect through bluetooth or usb
Even the ones that use DSP dont get it right, fricking apple still tunes their headphones to literal flat response (which is objectively wrong and preferred by nobody)
>your pc can probably detect that then
Nah, I plug them into the headphone amp which has another output on the back which goes to the speaker amp.
>You'd only be unable to if you plug in your speakers and headphones into the same output port.
I plug the headphones into a headphone amp. The PC doesn't know when I switch between headphones and speakers.
you plug your speakers into a headphone amp?
It has an output on the back meant for this purpose, yes. Also that's where the speaker amp is connected, not the speakers themselves.
When I say they already have EQ I mean they already have their own frequency response curve. So unless you're fixing part of the curve because you dislike it then there's no need for EQ or you need different headphones with a response you prefer.
In the end it's literally all preference and whatever sounds good to you sounds good to you. Headphones, like keyboards, are mostly an autistic hobby/meme if you go into getting special pairs and expensive pairs and worrying about preamps and EQs. You're better off actually training your ears and understanding what goes into making the sounds to better enjoy them, but no one ever does that.
just have an audio interface with 4 output channels
I'd need to buy more shit but I'm very happy with my audio setup so I'm not inclined to do so.
Just automate it. You'd only be unable to if you plug in your speakers and headphones into the same output port. Like unplug speakers, plug in headphones into same port, and then unplug headphones, and plug in speakers again when you're done.
Even then, both my PC and Phone identify different headphones plugged into the same port and restore EQ and volume settings.
they sound much worse after applying the eq for the model
It means you're doing it wrong
Because EQ is a meme and most people do it wrong anyway. 500% lows and 10% highs aren't how most music is supposed to be heard.
this has been deboonked at least 10 years ago
there is nothing about EQ that would make it a meme
More like e-coping
Most headphones already have EQ to them unless you're using reference/studio monitors that are supposed to have a flat response. Personally, I don't use headphones as my workspace IS a studio so I have amazing monitors and room treatment and headphones would be a downgrade.
>0 downsides
Only top tier planars respond with "0 downsides" to EQ. Many dynamic drivers have too much distortion, typically in the bass, which when boosted with EQ will be audible.
>Many dynamic drivers have too much distortion
that's not true
>which when boosted with EQ will be audible.
that's not true either a lot of the time and distortion would still be audible without EQ
distortion anywhere outside off <300hz is not a problem on headphones and EQ has 0 downsides in areas above that which is the most important part of sound
i actually cant get over how fricking moronic this post is
What is EQing?
My u12t and blessing2 are literally perfect
how can they both be perfect if they sound entirely different
also
>imagine actually believing this
Maybe it's just me but post-processing the input signal to make it the output better instead of improving the output seems like a bad idea in terms of quality.
>seems like
great argument, must be true if you say so
>In the end it's literally all preference
this is laughably wrong and if you have more than 110 iq you wouldnt ever think that for even a second but if you still choose to believe it, it has been debooonked a billion times
music is mastered on a reference setup, music is supposed to sound like on the reference setup
if your music sounds good on a headphone that doesnt sound like reference, then it's a shit mix
There is 0 personal preference, this has been proven many times by different studies. Good sound is objective, the only personalization you should do is adjustment for hearing loss
>You're better off actually training your ears and understanding what goes into making the sounds to better enjoy them, but no one ever does that.
you are absolutely clueless and have 0 idea what youre talking about
>I mean they already have their own frequency response curve
what is that even supposed to mean?
even if headphones were tuned to some particular target (which they arent a lot of the time), the are always limited by technical capabilities of manufacturer and cost. Nobody prefers a shit headphone with distortion and a 5dB resonance peak or 1khz wide phase cancellation because it doesnt represent the recording properly
then why are you such a moron? connect your headphone amp to the pc, problem solved
what do you even need a headphone amp for?
>then why are you such a moron?
Honestly you should examine your own moronation first.
i meant speaker amp you fricking mong
if it's USB then it's not a problem and if it's passive in then your motherboard definitely has a 3,5mm jack so how am i the moron here?
>this is laughably wrong
Literally no it's not.
t. audio engineer
>t. audio engineer
not something to be proud of quite frankly
When did I say I was proud about it? Being a creative is soulless and draining in both life and income. Luckily I steered away from making it a shitty career and got a real job.
i implied that i dont respect your authority
AI thread
I thought my eq improoved my audio.
Then I turned it off after a couple years, and everything suddenly sounded better.
EQ literally only matters for two options. You either have shitty cheap headphones with terrible frequency response on them you need to correct. Or you have a stereo in a room and you are correcting for the issues in the room. The secret third option is you prefer stuff personally to be more bass or treble or whatever you so you adjust for taste.
>You either have shitty cheap headphones with terrible frequency response on them you need to correct
yeah let's see what great headphones youre using homosexual
I don't use headphones. I have a studio with monitors and room treatment.
what studio monitors
yeah bro i can tell from this angle especially since all jbl monitors dont look literally the same
>You'll never hear what the "author" intended without literally being in the room with them when they mastered it
the point of equalization to neutral targets is to get as close to it as possible you literal fricking ape
>Although they will reference on multiple speakers and setups and headphones these days because they know they have to succumb to the lowest common denominator like people playing on their phones and shit.
wrong, are you saying this because you watched the fat moron video where hes spasming about mastering for 15 minutes and gets everything wrong?
>an shieeet
>play with sliders until it sounds good
yeah dude it's gonna work
then dont boost the bass dumbass? it's even addressed in the study
See this and tell me again that DT990 pro is a good headphone you are absolutely fricking spastic, there is 0 absolutey, 0 fricking reason why should you settle for shit sound when you can fix it for free without any side effects but you troglodyte ape will still insist for whatever fricking reason and you have given not a single fricking argument
if the only parameters for a headphone you care about are price and popularity then i wonder how do you manage to breathe through your nose but you probably dont
yes you can you literal Black person have you tried reading what the buttons do?
Why do you repeatedly reply with incorrect nonsense?
there is no import button you dumbass
how are you this fricking moronic
good argument bud you really got me this time
I've literally explained it to you multiple times and you just come back like a moronic ape every time.
must have been a different guy
make it <100 words
https://vocaroo.com/1l1MGWL9EGxJ
>no argument
well what was i expecting
even something like hd650s or like hd598s will be fine for purposes like these
shitty headphones means like $20 walmart headphones, or sometimes some overhyped brand that sounds complete shit but coasts on brand prestige at any price point (this ranges from dr. dre to even like $10k headphones that have a special """"flavour"""" that actually just fricks up the sound)
any normal, known decent headphone in the $100+ price range will be fine
Using EQ is like using those shitty oversaturated Reshade presets in games. I want to listen to what the author intended. The only deviation from that which I can accept is the flair of the specific pair of headphones I'm wearing.
Using EQ is like calibrating your display you fricking moron you need to be castrated with a machete
You'll never hear what the "author" intended without literally being in the room with them when they mastered it. Although they will reference on multiple speakers and setups and headphones these days because they know they have to succumb to the lowest common denominator like people playing on their phones and shit.
My galaxy buds pro 2 don't need EQing cause they sound good out of the box
galaxy buds pro 2 have EQ by default and Harman is owned by samsung so they obviously use their research
I just liek Black personbass, tbh fampai ¯_(ツ)_/¯
>inb4 buy bassy headphones
I don't liek Black personbass in my gaymen, tbh fampai ¯_(ツ)_/¯
>btfo in your own thread
kek
moron
EQ makes a huge difference. If you've never listened to your music on correctly EQed headphones you're probably missing a shitload of details. Even if you want flat sound, it's practically impossible to make headphones that sound like flat speakers without EQ.
Only morons think eq has zero downsides
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