Why aren't you using a private and secure messenger?
Why are you still using garbage like Telegram and Whatsapp?
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Why aren't you using a private and secure messenger?
Why are you still using garbage like Telegram and Whatsapp?
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messenger because my sisters and mom doesn't know how to use anything else and it just werks
You obviously come from a mentally defective family.
Well then most of the populace are mentally defective
Sure, and you're no exception.
>your sister needs to get raped
>your family is mentally defective
>even my grandma can do it
>...
>w-wait, why are you leaving? w-why won't you download our apps??
well this is why, don't call out people for not using your tools if you gatekeep them in the first place instead of making them more accessible and marketable, no one wants to join a platform filled to the brim with angry virgin neets.
this is IQfy, not reddit. expect community moderation here. make moronic posts about how hard it is to download an app and people will call you a moron. leave if you want
that is correct
You're finally figuring it out
your sister is dumb hoe. needs rape correction
my grandma managed to download, install and log in (with google) onto element all by herself
you're just making excuses
I agree these are the best but they are not what normal people use and messaging apps are for socializing. I don't wanna talk to you morons I want to talk to my friends and my friends will never switch to xmpp. I can't even get them to switch to Matrix.
So use Signal. It has more than enough adoption now and it's extremely easy to set up.
People want discord clones. I do use signal but I barely text in general. People want VOIP and chatrooms and instant messaging
nobody wants discord clones except IQfytards, official program just works, nobody gives a shit about spyware
Is Tox acceptable?
is mattermost+voip plugin enough for that?
When I can communicate with an SS client to a B/F tier client user, I'll sort it out. Until then I'm happy not using message apps at all, and only sending trivial shit via SMS
>le obscure messengers that no one uses are the best!!1!!
Yeah whatever homosexual.
Seriously, what the frick is jami
>Status
You have to pay ETH to buy a username.
So is status some blockchain messaging app? So all messages a permanently recorded on the chain?
no. status uses a p2p protocol with e2e.
It has blockchain-related features like the wallet, but that's entirely optional.
signal is not in in ss tier because.... BECAUSE IT JUST ISN'T, OK?!??!?
because it requires a phone number, idiot.
OH NO NOT MY PHONE NUMBER THAT THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY KNOWS OH NOOOOOOOOOO WHAT WILL WE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO who cares you fricking idiot, you don't even understand anything
You can sperg out all you like, but a phone number requirement is still a bad thing, mentally unstable idiot.
see
a phone number requirement is still a bad thing....BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OK?!?!?!
>unable to create multiple accounts
>having multiple attack vectors
great job moron
>muh attack vectors
>but I'll sign up to message apps with my phone number!
Lmao okay moron.
>signs up with phone number
>can't hear phone calls or see texts
correct. so now explain why signing up with a phone number is bad? ill wait for your reply, parrot
>he needs me to explain it to him
>he thinks the only issue is the app being able to see your text messages
Lmao you are actually moronic. This is why IQfy is shit. Idiots such as yourself who think you know it all and are vocal about your moronic Black person opinions. Kys.
>you need to not use a phone number....BECAUSE YOU JUST DONT, I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY ANYTHING I SAY
kek idiot parrot
Your identity is then tied to the app moron. Any feds trying to catalog all your activity will just hit signal up for details of any accounts associated with a certain phone number.
>Any feds trying to catalog all your activity will just hit signal up for details
there are no details, YOU FRICKING STUPID HOMOSEXUAL. do you even understand what information signal gives out? all they have is the fact that you have an account, and last access time, that's literally it. they don't have anything else, their system isn't built that way. so WOW DUH GOBERMINT KNOWS YOU USE SIGNAL, that's useless. they can't see what you wrote and can't hear what you say. that's literally the end of the story. so this whole MUH PHONE NUMBUR is a moronic meme perpetuated by absolute idiots that know nothing. they can't do anything with a phone number
>needs multiple account
pointless
> t. Chinese
The phone number ties your account to your real identity and this isn't necessary. Smart people can probably use a prepaid phone to get around this. So they should support accounts with no phone number, bought with crypto for a price that's less than a prepaid phone.
>The phone number ties your account to your real identity and this isn't necessary.
this means nothing, there is no content to be had. you can't throw someone in jail for having an account on a legal service. if you are, they were going to throw you in jail anyway and having no phone number wouldn't have stopped them anyway and you already had bigger problems than a phone number on a service anyway. so yet again, a phone number is completely irrelevant and you can't even figure that out because you're way too stupid.
>has my phone number
>can't listen to my conversations or see my texts
kek, muh phone number muh phone number
also it's not federated
what are braindeads like this
,
doing in a thread about private/secure communication?!
>muh federation
pointless. just saying i need this and i need that says how much you actually know about what you're saying. you just HEARD that not giving a phone number and having federation is good, but you don't know why, and you don't even know whether it's true. you just repeat it, like the idiot parrot you are. but the fact is no normal person will ever talk to you on your moronic sperg apps for homosexual men. no one.
Federation is complex and less private
https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
When I was still doing illegal stuff, Signal with enabled auto-deleting messages worked just fine. I went through numerous police investigations with flying colors.
Nowadays I use mostly Whatsapp because that is what family uses and Signal if I need to talk to bros or book an escort.
If you are not living in a country that allows you to buy pre-paid sim cards in every grocery store without the need to provide any kind of ID, you have way bigger issues than what app you use.
you can buy pre-paid sims but you still have to register your personal details, including valid ID.
Then you live in a shithole that hates freedom, simple as. Here, no such thing. I can go to a corner store, buy 100 sim cards and use any of them without registering anything.
signal should be F tier, made by israelite and needs phone number, server side supposedly open source but we never know what's actually there
doing so makes it equal to whatsapp, which is incorrect
leave it at B
It's worse, because that way you give a false sense of security, no one is using whatsapp for security but a lot of midwits think signal is.
normie morons actually think that whatsapp has end to end encryption, they already fell for false security
Signal is secure. The only people who dispute that are tech-illiterate morons like yourself, who are likely from IQfy or /misc/.
Signal is secure.
Signal is not entirely privacy respecting.
>Using a fricking phone number that anytime can reveal your ID
>Susceptible to sim swap attacks because your ID is your number, because that's how GSM works, broken by design
>centralized
>server is """open source""" no one even know what's running now is the same open source one or not
Anyone shilling for signal is that guy who thinks he knows better than his mom but in reality the mom probably know better
a fricking phone number that anytime can reveal your ID
My SIM is not in any way related to any ID at all. And even it if was, Signal literally can't.
>some moronic dribble from a moron.
Read this, simple as:
https://signal.org/bigbrother/northern-california-order/
https://signal.org/bigbrother/cd-california-grand-jury/
tl;dr - they have nothing and collect nothing beyond your phone number (which alone, whilst a bad practice for homosexuals who live in shitholes where SIM is tied to an ID, is not really a tangible risk) and time of account creation/last connection. All of which possess no risk, especially if you are not a complete fricking mongoloid who thinks there is some silver bullet one-solution.
Same applies for you, moron.
You can literally use discord with more anonymity than you can signal.
Good job on proving you are a braindead moron.
My god you're really stupid.
>tl;dr - they have nothing and collect nothing beyond your phone number (which alone, whilst a bad practice for homosexuals who live in shitholes where SIM is tied to an ID, is not really a tangible risk) and time of account creation/last connection. All of which possess no risk, especially if you are not a complete fricking mongoloid who thinks there is some silver bullet one-solution.
Listen to this idiot, he thinks ID problem is being tied to the number only, while that's an issue obviously, the fact that your phone number is exposed, you location can be pinpointed in a very precises way, and no, I don't mean the old trilateration way with approximate location, all the new BTS tower receive your gps location on demand even with your gps off, a feature to provide a better service supposedly, this packet is sent periodically and/or on demand from all smartphones unless you are using old nokia 3310 (even the new one do). Similarly, police is already having access to such tech to track you in realtime by only knowing your phone, ever wonder why criminals don't use smartphones and through it away once they comms immediately.
>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/fog-revealed-guided-tour-how-cops-can-browse-your-location-data
You are side-tracking at this point.
Explain to me how does this translates into potential issues with Signal and police.
Because it does not. The pipeline in real life is very clear:
1) you do illegal things
2) you use burner phone for shadiest activities, other (third) phone with Signal for more regular communication. If you are not doing some really really hardcore things, you can just use Signal on your own phone.
3) you obviously carry neither of these devices with you to do shady things
4) In case of arrest or police taking hold of your devices in some other way, Signal is fine because they have nothing (see above) and you mitigated the rest of risks by using burner/third device.
And this is all in case of you doing hardcore shit. In most cases IQfy would ever use it, it is more than enough. I have never really understood this sentiment IQfy often takes - being enamored more with theory than with actual practice.
Or
6) avoid literally all of that
Then you can just use Whatsapp or Facebook or whatever. Then again, why would you even be itt in such case.
No, 6, as in get an app that has no connection to your phone
Signal (if properly used like it tells you to) is well-tried, been confirmed solid against both regular police and spook investigations and has a massive userbase. It is very easy to use. Even escorts I visit have Signal nowadays. I can't really see much of a reason to use anything else.
Anon I don't think you understand what burner phone means. You should also read subpoenas I posted earlier, you have no clue what you are talking about.
>Anon I don't think you understand what burner phone means. You should also read subpoenas I posted earlier, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Keep using signal then. All these subpoenas are to create and enhance the false sense of security, that's why it's heavily reported in the media, while the FOGID above I posed barely anyone cover it. I'm saying it again, the moment you use GSMA based protocol, you are fricked.
You are an idiot who has no idea what he is talking about.
Yes and we all know how high priority escorts are for glowies. I live in a country where I can just call escorts.
I can also call them just fine. Sending her a message is easier and faster though.
Also mind you, politicians both in the US Senate and EU parliament have been officially using Signal as communication app, if you want some more socially acceptable examples.
Eh I don't even care about privacy. I've put my real name, address, and illegal threats on IQfy many times. Nothing has happened. I just want an app that has serverless P2p handshaking because that's how it should be not because I actually need it. If I was genuinely looking to commit crimes I wouldn't be using any messaging app ever at all.
>you get a burner
>use it with signal
>some glowie/snitch report this account is doing something
>get this account phone because it is linked into it
>they don't need to decrypt/access signal
>use that phone to track you, in realtime with centimeter level accuracy
>bust your ass when they want to, not necessarily immediately maybe they will observe first, build a case, or see if you are linked to other shit
Take this rule of thumb advice maybe it will save you from some glowies, never trust anything that link you to GSM/cellular, simply Cellular ==> operators ==> regulators ==> glowies
Take that advice or leave it is up to you
I was seriously going to reply but
>Who cares moron, what matters is the client. As long as the client is encrypting properly, the server doesn't matter.
sure sure, whatever you say, kek
We already know you're a tech-illiterate moron with absolutely no credentials in security. You don't need to keep doubling down on your stupidity.
You have no clue what you're talking about on this subject.
>t. glowie want people to use Signal
Thank you for further proving that you are indeed some idiot from /misc/. All your input on opsec can safely be discarded.
They can ping the cell towers man. You make one phone call we got your ass
>Using a fricking phone number that anytime can reveal your ID
"fricking phone number"
I love how angsty you dumb kids are.
>centralized
Literally a good thing, moron.
>server is """open source""" no one even know what's running now is the same open source one or not
Who cares moron, what matters is the client. As long as the client is encrypting properly, the server doesn't matter.
>midwits
No anon. You are the midwits.
Status for true friends.
Signal for family and other friends.
why is telegram in the same tier as discord and whatsapp?
Because it's equally shit
because it's the same insecure, unencrypted, phonenumber-requiring garbage.
Telegram is a meme and not actually secure. It's not as open as they want you to think. Signal is the legitimate version of it more or less though I'm not sure if it has the community aspect of Telegram.
There's nothing exactly wrong with using Telegram just know you're only safe on it because Russian don't give a shit about you, not because it's actually secure.
No Line?
>he doesnt chat up cute asian girls and send funny stickers
Ngmi.
Status is all I use.
i send my condolences to your phone battery
Wheres Session?
the trash
Lmao do any of you guys have experience setting up an XMPP server with support encrypted voice/video calls? Literally it & matrix is a fricker nightmare of shitty config (YAML) and shitcode python with nightmarish networking.
If anyone knows a good solution I would like to know, since I am so fricking tired of running the bloat that is chromium discord, but it's all I have and I don't have an alternative to alk to my friends.
matrix takes ~3 minutes to setup, and just werks. Far from nightmare (you're an idiot)
XMPP also isn't that bad, but it's 10 times worse.
the clients are all entirely broken, you may get E2EE and then realize files etc aren't e2ee or broken or don't send at all.. there are only 2 clients that even work. XMPP is a good idea and never got past that stage. It's a 20 year old "good idea" all the software is shit though
>matrix takes ~3 minutes to setup, and just werks. Far from nightmare (you're an idiot)
Matrix servers scale horribly, moron. Also leaks metadata even with encryption.
Google Chat slaps hard, bro.
Signal and telegram are the same level of pozzed/compromised, it doesn’t make sense to have them in different tiers.
>signal compromised
kek prove it, moron. you can't and won't. show whitepaper. you won't
Stop talking about shit you have no idea about, moron.
t. Signal Defense Force
Enjoy your CIA backdoor
>m-muh backdoor
Take your meds, you dumb moron and go back to your containment board.
>I bet if I call backdoors a schizo belief on a board that wisely knows about backdoors, I’ll seem like an organic poster for sure!
Not falling for it
Everything is open source, you can prove your claim any time.
he won't, he can't read code
>on a board that wisely knows about backdoors
prove it
I know about your mothers backdoor, homosexual.
>explains nothing
>muh "backdoor"
show us where in the code. you won't because you can't even read code KEK
Ask me how I know you came from /misc/.
Anyway, you don't know anything about encryption, opsec, nothing. You're a worthless moron.
>Signal and telegram are the same level of pozzed/compromised
Thank you for confirming your stupidity.
>he doesn't know about messengers end to end encryption
>breaths in
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA oh no no no HAHAHAHAHHA
Yes, we can all see you're both a sperg and a moron, no need to double down.
Dude, just fricking message me already, I'm not downloading a new app every week just to speak with (You). Kek
I use IQfy as my messenger to talk to 3rd worlders.
>no keybase, session, wire, tox
>blockchain web3 crapfest
>ss tier
Whats wrong with email + PGP?
Not a solution for instant messaging.
I'm still using Telegram because it's the most normie-friendly thing I could convince my friends to use besides facebook messenger.
I sometimes chat with fellow schizos on element.
Somehow lost my Jami account like a total moron.
Signal is default SMS app on my andjeet phone.
twisted turd is still a thing?
briar and jami fricking suck
>briar and jami fricking suck
try actually using them as your main chat program
jami video is unusable
briar is unfinished garbage
Briar is jsut a messaging app with auto delete serverside. It still requires central private key verification
Xmpp is harmful
Why
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2069810
xmpp is absolute dogshit and in no way private. even with the 30 extensions that attempt to do so
Briar is fricking shit. It just auto deletes off their servers. I want something that is serverless with Pgp e2e via e2e email to get keys from. There is no excuse for server intermediaries except to get private keys to authenticate but you can do that via email or something else.
Oh no terminal list bros.
Where's Tox?
>nothing toxcore
this tier list is incomplete, and thus, OP is a homosexual
Do any of these have a way to connect users to eachother without a central sever that relates ips to user ids? If not literally what's rhe point.
i use whatsapp because im romanian and discord because its good
cope
>Why aren't you using a private and secure messenger?
I'll use whatever people I want to talk with use to communicate.
A few years ago, I got a few friends to move to Signal. And few other apps, like Riot (now Element) and Conversations.
But the network effect just isn't there, and I'm not willing to lose contact to people to avoid the botnet these days. Did that a lot back in 2014~2016. Honestly, it wasn't worth it.
if the people you know are too stupid to use signal, then you're probably just as dumb as they are
They range from normal people to pretty smart people (PhDs and suck).
Anon, they just don't care. They use Telegram and WhatsApp because that's what everyone uses.
I can convince my friends to use Signal or whatever (I've did exactly that in the past), but good luck convincing someone you just met. Assuming you even want that to be one of your first interactions.
>Why aren't you using a private and secure messenger?
I've had sex.
>F Tier Explain Yourself
I'm not a NEET/incel and have a social life
Because try to convince 10-20 people to move to other app just because you don't feel like using what everyone's using. You'll get laughed at.
People like you need a reality check.
I can tell you have no friends and you're a very lonely loser.
I literally had zero issues convincing all of my friends to download Signal and use it to communicate with me.
I literally said
>10-20 people
that would be including my boss, my family, my friends I actively use messaging apps to connect with.
>had zero issues convincing all of my friends
All 1 of them, him being as much of a paranoid NEET as you?
>caring about privacy means you're paranoid
Yep you're definitely an idiot.
>I literally had zero issues convincing all of my friends to download Signal and use it to communicate with me
homie, I had no issues with that either, my close friends would use anything I asked them to use
but what about your acquaintances? People that could become a friend but you still didn't get there yet?
I can get people to use matrix just fine.
I can't get them to actually check it.
I've tried 3 times now. The network effect is too strong, so discord it is.
the battery drain on signal Foss is absurd reee
bump
Are there any apps that don't have a centralised server for authenticating users and routing messages?
where is GNUPG on that list
You forgot Session at the top
I use Snapchat because I’m not a virgin. I hope my messages get breached and released to the public one day. They’re funny.
B and SS are only useful if you only want to talk to pedophiles