Why can't homophobes prove that homosexuality is a sin? Only sodomy is prohibited in the Bible, but that's an abnormal sex practice both gays and straights participate in, and lesbians don't at all (unless they use sex toys).
David and Jonathan were lovers. The Bible could not be more clear about the matter.
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Ok but how do we combat gay degeneracy?
by promoting proper sex acts between male lovers such as frotting. Men should not have sex with men like they would a woman, they should make love to a man like a man.
>by promoting proper sex acts between male lovers such as frotting
I've regularly tried to tell /lgbt/ anal sex is bad and no matter what I say they won't accept it.
/lgbt/ isn't a christian board. IQfy is a proper lgbt friendly christian community.
>IQfy is a proper lgbt friendly christian community.
Only IQfy is aware of the mythic homosexual material in Psalms tied to the Baal Cycle:
Psalm 89:25
>I will set his hand on the sea and his right hand on the rivers.
In West Semetic literature "hard" is a frequent euphemism for penis
>hard
I meant hand
Meds.
>Baal cycle
>bicycle
A bicycle is what every gay man dreams of becoming
well done, jidf
One thing I've learned after reflecting the reasons why the bible says not to do something is there's usually a secondary or tertiary benefit towards cleanliness and prevention of stds. Butt stuff definitely falls under that category
Lead.
>Lead
Lead controls some hormones (such as growth hormone) but mercury controls sex hormones and its deficiency is to blame for sexual deviancy.
>mercury controls sex hormones and its deficiency
>deficiency
dude wtf? are you ingesting mercury?
They are wrong about it. It's an essential nutrient, not poison, and its deficiency causes mainly obesity and sexual deviancy. There is even an amino acid that contains mercury.
It probably has to be organic, anorganic mercury seems to be a waste of time. Seafood and saltwater fish may still provide some, but somewhat miserable as the limits prevent the sale of fish with good amounts. Whale/dolphin may be excellent sources if you are willing to eat them.
Japan ignores the limits, as far as I'm aware.
good luck with that dude.
I'd almost have to say you're already affected by mercury poisoning if you're crazy enough to purposefully ingest it.
I'm not crazy, it's supported by multiple lines of evidence.
Heavy metals got depleted over ancient history. It seems obvious that lead and mercury could be depleted through mining (some organisms like fungi can obtain it from the minerals) but it isn't clear why cadmium got depleted. Its levels were extremely high by modern standards as late as about five millenia ago, and its concentrations have been steadily decreasing through history, but it was unknown to people until the 19th century, so it seems there must be another process involved.
Why do people insist on joint churches that they are not compatible with? Can’t they just go and join a gay church instead of trying to wheedle into joining some hyper-orthodox church and then throwing a fit about it when they are rejected? Honestly don’t understand it.
I wouldn't want to go to a church with unbiblical teachings, so you're right. I wouldn't go to churches that don't accept gays.
Subtle.
Jesus explicitly defines marriage as between one man and one woman in the Gospel according to St. Matthew
>“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
In St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, he leaves little room for speculation when it comes to his opinion on homosexuality, with regard to both males and females.
>Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Paul's Epistle to the Romans, 1:26-27)
that passage was about divorce, not whether men can marry men, which Jesus does not address.
As for Paul, not every single word he says is gospel. His homophobia was a character flaw of the man, not something revealed through the Spirit.
>that passage was about divorce
The passage is about marriage, of which divorce is an unholy part. If Jesus Christ permitted men to marry men he would have said so explicitly.
>As for Paul, not every single word he says is gospel
To reject the King's messenger to to reject the King.
Also, you have been making this thread constantly since early July. You still got BTFO every single time.
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You didn't even change the filename.
>that passage was about divorce
Doesn't matter, the implications are clear. As the old saying goes: It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
>As for Paul, not every single word he says is gospel.
Do you believe the Bible was divinely inspired? That it contains no errors? If so, you must believe that Paul's condemnation of homosexuality in Romans is God's condemnation of homosexuality.
I so often hear people say that “oh it’s about divorce not marriage.” Which seems to me such a weak argument as if divorce has absolutely no connection to marriage and it’s something completely separate.
>That it contains no errors?
Biblical inerrancy is an evangelical belief and extremely heterodox outside of it.
>That it contains no errors?
Biblical inerrancy is an american evangelical belief and extremely heterodox outside of it.
Yes, he did address it. He defined marriage.
He wasn't "defining" it, he was explaining why divorce should occur only in a few rare cases.
Not true
Except that's exactly what the passage is about. What immediately follows that oft-quoted verse is
>So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Jesus was citing Genesis in an argument against divorce.
Yep, and to talk about divorce he defined marriage.
And reminder to those reading the thread that OP bases his argument of David on Johnathan on a hardcore atheist's theories rather than any Israelite or Christian textual analysis.
He has also failed to prove that any form of male-male sex is approved by God as opposed to merely sodomy.
You’d think people would get the hint when there’s not even one positive mention of a homosexual act in the entire bible.
There’s positive mentions of characters committing incest, rape, genocide and murder and all kinds of horrid things, but not even one mention of a positive homosexual act
>There’s positive mentions of characters committing incest, rape, genocide and murder and all kinds of horrid things, but not even one mention of a positive homosexual act
This tells me everything I need to know about that disgusting pulp.
>David and Jonathan were lovers. The Bible could not be more clear about the matter.
Actually it could be far more clear about the matter, because it never explicitly states they were lovers. They have a deep friendship like Achilles or Patroclus or Gilgamesh and Enkidu, but never does it say they had a romantic relationship. And, by the way, it doesn't say that in the Iliad or Epic of Gilgamesh either.
sure thing buddy. but Achilles and Patroclus were lovers, so great exame there.
I grieve(AL) for you, Jonathan(AM) my brother;(AN)
you were very dear to me.
Your love for me was wonderful,(AO)
more wonderful than that of women.
>yeah well: homosexual fanfiction
go back
>more wonderful than that of women
How are homophobes planning to convert us to heterosexuality when their heroes say they prefer the friendship of men?
Didn’t David have like 500 female concubines?
>Achilles and Patroclus were lovers
Homer makes an explicit point of having Achilles and Patroclus sleep in the same tent, but they're each in their own bed, with their own girl, on the other side of the tent from each other. He didn't need to go so far out of his way to show THEY ARE NOT FRICKING EACHOTHER but he did. There are plenty of ancient depictions of Achilles and Patroclus as lovers, but The Iliad is not one of them.
>Your love for me was wonderful,(AO)
> more wonderful than that of women.
sounds a little gay but it's just a more poetic way of saying "bros before hos".
Trying to determine what the bible says on these issues is like trying to determine what the science says. Both sides think they're right; and there's a whole lot of talking, but zero doing.
What determines if homosexuality is correct or not is determined by how many of you are left after monkeypox and after I finally lose my mind and go full schizo (satire)
nothing like killing homosexuals in minecraft
People from all abrahamic religions didn't accept homosexuality and they gave serious punishment to it, it would be silly to then to just say "You guys got it wrong for two thousand years"
Also just judging by the amount of mental illness that homosexuals have and how their lust is leading to all these diseases, maybe it isn't wrong for it to be prohibited.
>it would be silly to then to just say "You guys got it wrong for two thousand years"
That's what they say about each other.
>get smited by aids
>get smited by monkeypox
>get smited by ass worms
>get smited by mental illness
Gee, I wonder what God thinks about me being a sodomite?
>don't get smited by aids
>don't get smited by monkeypox
>don't get smited by ass worms
>don't get smited by mental illness
Gee, I wonder what God thinks about me being a non-sodomite gay?
>get smited by aids
>get smited by monkeypox
>get smited by ass worms
>get smited by mental illness
Gee, i wonder what God thinks about heteroids
>David and Jonathan were lovers.
don't forget about Saul, he surrounded himself with "2000 of the most tall and handsome of his guards", and seemed to have a tumultuous relationship with David, who he promoted from court harpist to right-hand man, and then there's the scene where Saul "lay down naked in David's room" (or rather cave, where David was hiding from Saul)
gays are so insufferable, hand them a nursery rhyme book and in a week they'll be screeching about how twinkle little star is about a gay man's butthole
>only having handsome guards and laying down naked in the room of a man you vacillate between loving and trying to kill is totally normal straight behavior.
gays exist, even in biblical times. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that Saul (or David or Jonathan) were bisexual.
It's more laughable the mental gymnastics people go through trying to rationalize the extremely odd behavior of Saul and David.
>gays exist
shame
We exist thanks to straight people.
yeah, just like Black folk nothing's ever your fault huh? thanks to your marxist background everyone else is to blame eh?
Take a deep breath and a cup of tea. It's gonna be alright.
>we're not responsible for our actions, if you suggest we are we'll gaslight you
and you wonder why none of your friends are stable
i don't have friends, but thanks for assuming i do.
i also don't obsess about gay people because what they do is their business, not mine. If they break a law that's on them, if they get punished by God that's on them.
I literally don't have to think about them at all and still they'll get what's coming to them (or they won't).
So why give yourself an ulcer thinking about gay people, especially if you're not even gay? Do you spend this much time and energy worrying about murderers? or thieves? or adulterers? No, i didn't think so. So why specifically gays? You're aware there are other sins besides just being gay, right? You're not going to make yourself any straighter by harping incessantly about gays
I don't think about gays at all, the only time I think about gays is when they post here demanding attention
um, no sweety. this is the thread about biblical interpretation.
is it? looks like gays being narcissists like always
>you can't be straight and think that David and Jonathan, or Saul, had gay/bisexual undertones.
>gays are narcissists for thinking one story in the entire Bible, that of David and Jonathan, has gay/bisexual undertones.
>straight people aren't narcissists for demanding everyone in the Bible is straight, even though the Bible spends HUNDREDS OF PAGES devoted to informing its readers how wicked and sinful people were.
Did I ask for you to reply to me homosexual?
by your own logic, you're a homosexual too for replying to me lol
is that how gayness works, a disease?
were you molested by a gay or something? Not saying you have to approve of gays but why think about them *this* much? You're gonna give yourself an ulcer
C.S. Lewis talks about this already happening in his own time
> It has actually become necessary in our time to rebut the theory that every firm and serious friendship is really homosexual. Kisses, tears and embraces are not in themselves evidence of homosexuality. The implications would be, if nothing else, too comic. Hrothgar embracing Beowulf, Johnson embracing Boswell (a pretty flagrantly heterosexual couple) and all those hairy old toughs of centurions in Tacitus, clinging to one another and begging for last kisses when the legion was broken up… all pansies? If you can believe that you can believe anything (p. 247).
ironically these accusations are just another example of heteros white-washing history that was somewhat less than straight.
The classical Greeks themselves interpreted the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus in the Iliad as homosexual in nature, so it’s not just a matter of moderns projecting their present social concerns onto the past.
>The classical Greeks themselves interpreted the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus in the Iliad as homosexual in nature, so it’s not just a matter of moderns projecting their present social concerns onto the past.
The classical Greeks argued about Achilles and Patroclus both ways.
>The classical Greeks argued about Achilles and Patroclus both ways.
Just like how Achilles swung both ways
Homosexual celibacy isn't a sin. Remaining celibate while being inflicted with homosexuality is a great challenge from God and it's rewarded accordingly
>it's rewarded accordingly
Do I get a bf in heaven? If not, the reward can't be that interesting.
Leviticus 20:13
No amount of mental gymnastics(like it only means you can't frick a man's pussy) will ever reconcile that verse with homosexuals. The only thing that can be said is that homosexuality itself is not a sin, but practicing it in all forms of sex is.
are you israeli? cause Christians don't have to follow the law of Moses.
also, that only bans sodomy, not gay sex or romance. Not everything has to do with buttfricking, particularly not with lesbians
No it means all gay sex and Christians do have to follow the laws of Moses.
Poo dick is gross. You don't need to go around and debate that. Its self evident
homosexuals prove it everyday with their miserable lives
The people of Lot rejected the messengers. When their brother Lot said to them, “Will you not fear ˹Allah˺? I am truly a trustworthy messenger to you. So fear Allah, and obey me.
I do not ask you for any reward for this ˹message˺. My reward is only from the Lord of all worlds. Why do you ˹men˺ lust after fellow men, leaving the wives that your Lord has created for you? In fact, you are a transgressing people.” They threatened, “If you do not desist, O Lot, you will surely be expelled.” Lot responded, “I am truly one of those who despise your ˹shameful˺ practice.
My Lord! Save me and my family from ˹the consequences of˺ what they do.” So We saved him and all of his family, except an old woman, who was one of the doomed. Then We utterly destroyed the rest, pouring upon them a rain ˹of brimstone˺. How evil was the rain of those who had been warned! Surely in this is a sign. Yet most of them would not believe. And your Lord is certainly the Almighty, Most Merciful.
-Qur'an (26:160-175)
why are you quoting the quran? lol
cause gay shit is gay
Christianity has been too weird about sexuality imo.
Just focus on universal love, and be a hippy. Much more appealing than the tangled mess of moral do's and do not's.
Any sex outside of marriage is sin.
Homosexuals cannot be married.
Therefore all homosexuality is sinful.
>Homosexuals cannot be married.
Ummm... So in nations where they can married, it's all good?
Gay "marriage" is a purely legal construct that has nothing to do with the kind of marriage ordained by God, where a wife and a husband become one flesh.
Wtf is homosex that "Isn't abnormal"?
This dumb thread again?
There are very little sex acts a homosexual couple can do that a heterosexual one can't as well. Frottage and tribadism are memes
how are they "memes"?
Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
>David and Jonathan were lovers. The Bible could not be more clear about the matter.
Bromance =/= Romance, you moronic homosexual
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, - 1 Corinthians 6:9
homosexuals are morons
Paul has already been addressed. He was homophobic, but not everything he said is inspired
Why is a virgin authoritative on sexual matters?
God is a virgin