Why did Americans abandon the English tradition of home gardens full of flowers or vegetables in favor of monoculture Kentucky bluegrass lawns devoid of any individuality?
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Why did Americans abandon the English tradition of home gardens full of flowers or vegetables in favor of monoculture Kentucky bluegrass lawns devoid ...
It's cheap and quick.
america is not culturally english
America is its own thing, but it’s definitely a modified offshoot of Anglo culture.
The obsession of lawns comes directly from the English tradition, so OP doesn't know what he's talking about.
>Those are usually only found in desert states
Wrong. Most of Florida now looks like this, especially in the Southwest and West-Central parts of the state.
Florida is also a newly settled and built in unfriendly ecosystem, just swamp instead of desert
Florida looks like that because of hurricanes. Every development must have somewhere for excess water to go.
Those are usually only found in desert states. Most cities in the eastern sea board are structured like normal cities but with a giant walmart in between
>Most cities in the eastern sea board are structured like normal cities but with a giant walmart in between
What state is the original Levittown in again?,
>suburbs don't have private gardens
Projection. Most people don't have them because they are lazy and would rather just mow a lawn not because there is a stigma against gardens. Hell most people do have flower gardens.
Millions of people in the US have gardens moron.
And most Englishmen live in brick cubes. We've seen the pictures.
I mean, I'd much rather live there than in an American suburb.
We have buildings like this in the US too, but most people who live in them are too poor to afford a house in the suburbs.
Maybe most people don't realize this but in the US living in a suburb is more convenient than the city much of the time. There are more stores, often just as many places to eat, and it doesn't take that much longer to get to places in the city because traveling in the city is difficult whether you live in the city or outside it.
>I'd much rather live in a pod than having my own house
Commit a few crimes and you can get thrown into a building just like that one for free
In those places you basically have to join a HOA so "your house" is not really your own.
No
No you don't
Most neighborhoods don't have an HOA.
I'm a homeowner, I don't have an HOA.
In fact, the only time I ever did have an HOA was back when I was renting a Townhome where every building was connected like a giant apartment block. Although HOAs aren't as bad as people say they are.
>Most neighborhoods don't have an HOA.
This heavily depends on where you live. Florida is unfortunately, 45% HOA.
pretending to be moronic is the same thing as actually being moronic
Why? I fail to see the benefit besides a smug sense of internet leftist elitism that arises from not living in a house with a yard.
The benefit is aesthetics. Places like OP's pic look like some nightmarish purgatorial realm that would slowly eat away at your sanity. It's too perfect and uniform, the kind of neighborhood an AI would come up with. Sure, living in public housing may be less than stellar, but it's the imperfection that gives it the touch of humanity.
Even if that pic was reflective of the average suburb (it isn't) I'd still rather live in a house. I couldn't give less of a shit if my neighbors house happens to look like mine since that's really not the point now is it?
>It's too perfect and uniform, the kind of neighborhood an AI would come up with.
Aah yes, bold words from the apartment dweller. Which one was yours again? Was it hallway door #36356 or was it hallway door #5746736?
>that would slowly eat away at your sanity
yeah because hearing everything your neighbors do through the thin walls and floor would totally not do that, fricking moron. BUT I GOT MUH AESTHETIC
>The benefit is aesthetics. Places like OP's pic look like some nightmarish purgatorial realm that would slowly eat away at your sanity.
Oh the humanity! Green lawns, pools, and houses that match each other aesthetically. Help I'm losing my mind!
>It's too perfect and uniform, the kind of neighborhood an AI would come up with. Sure, living in public housing may be less than stellar, but it's the imperfection that gives it the touch of humanity.
LMAO yes the humanity of hearing on neighbor beat his wife while the other neighbor yells at video games, the neighbors above me have six kids running around screaming, and the neighbor beneath me has three pitbulls barking madly because someone sneezed the next room over. This is what I want.
*walks 5 minutes to the bakery to buy fresh bread*
Pretty much
I couldn’t imagine having to walk longer than 10 minutes to the closest grocery store
Horrible
>be subhuman (that includes eastern and southern europeans)
>illegally immigrate to the US
>elect people that do nothing but steal tax dollars because they're the same color/tribe as you
>cities go to hell
>people move out
Most US suburbs don't actually look like that. In fact I'm not even sure if that's actually a backdrop that was used for a TV show IIRC
Secondly, most houses in the US have walled off backyards, where people do in fact plant gardens
And thirdly, only new developments will have all the houses looking exactly the same, after 10-20 years most suburbs tend to develop more variety as people start rebuilding or adding onto their homes or performing maintainance like roof replacements or driveway extensions
That's not to say there probably isn't a neighborhood somewhere that looks like that, but shit like that is not actually the norm.
It's mostly because of how young most American houses are.
European houses have elaborate gardens because they're centuries old, and each owner adds a little bit to the garden. But most American houses are still on their first owner, so they don't have much more than what the building company put when the house was first constructed.
>European houses have elaborate gardens because they're centuries old, and each owner adds a little bit to the garden.
Bro, why would you believe the average European lives in such an old house? These old houses are mostly in the city centers plus a few older ones per neighbourhood. They are not the typical case case. Most houses in Europe are not any older than houses in America.
>Kentucky
Just say you hate rural people and frick off
Kentucky bluegrass is the most popular type of lawn grass in America you fricking moron, the post wasn’t about Kentucky. It’s named because it spread naturally throughout the Midwest and Appalachia but grows almost everywhere besides the hotter parts of the South or Southwest, where stuff Bermuda grass is more popular.
Dumb hick detected, he's talking about the species of grass found in lawns.
Because suburbs are a way to sacrifice the land to Moloch
Ah yes, torture, hell.
A random neighborhood in Langley Virginia that's obviously master planned. This is surely hell.
wow, I'd sure hate to be there, i bet there's even a public park just down the street like my neighborhood, truly hell
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SAVE ME CITYMAN
>le exception disproves the rule
Friendly reminder to amerilards that most of their anti-social suburban shitholes are economically unsustainable and their living standards will continue to deteriorate during the coming decades (as its infrastructure inevitable decays and bankrupted local administrations can't afford to replace it).
friendly reminder your entire continent was economically unsustainable after hitler fricked it up, then stalin, then us. Who gave you money again?
My man, I actually want you amerifats to live better, but the first step is to recognize that most suburbs are hellholes.
wow thanks mohammed but I think we have a lot more concerning shit than suburbs in regards to living better
this is actually a typical suburb on the eastern half of the country
I have no interest in living in a suburb and never have, but posting pictures of Las Vegas and Phoenix and pretending like everything else is an exception (or posting newly constructed subdivisions before plants there have grown) is simply not good faith.
>actually a typical suburb on the eastern half of the country
It's typical anywhere where suburbs were built before WWII and somehow survived.
Every wealthy suburb near me looks like this. The less wealthy ones look similar, just with much smaller houses.
Literally what about this looks out of place today?
The OP picture looks the way it does because the trees haven't had time to grow. Here's a 21st century subdivision near me, but the trees have grown more.
>Literally what about this looks out of place today?
Sidewalks, open green spaces, parks nearby most likely, could likely walk to your local church, restaurants, grocery stores, places for school and work, libraries, even entertainment. Enslavement to vehicles not necessary.
OP is lucky to have a sidewalk, many postwar builds lack even that. And there is none of that other stuff. Suburbs are shitholes for people fleeing the demographic and legal troubles of the cities, the problems they'd rather not face, much less accept.
You guys are making some massive generalizations that really don't seem to hold true by simply randomly dropping into street view on suburbs on google maps
This one just added a sidewalk two years ago (see the bottom) on the entire stretch of the road.
Here is one in the same town constructed after 2008
-More suburbs look like nice residential neighborhoods than desert hellscapes people on this spam spam
-Its dumb not to have commercial districts nearby each of these neighborhoods that give people restaurants/bars/small grocers to walk to from their houses rather than relying on whatever stroad 5 miles away, and the current system makes the suburban lifestyle worse and increases drunk driving
Both are true
Suburbs are fine, but they should all have a 'main street' type thing nearby. It would likely actually increase the property values and provide these towns much needed tax income (something that many suburbs lack, and often collapse as a result).
The American love of the suburbs was a Cold War era Civil Defence plan; decentralise the population to try to limit the damage a nuclear strike would cause etc. Since then they've just grown into a city planners nightmare - with a population density too low to realistically support most city services or businesses (outside of designated outlet parks) and causing moronic traffic problems and commutes measured in hours.
When you build a new subdivision it starts out with just grass like that and then people make their own gardens over time. Why do they start with grass though? Because the site would look unfinished without it so they quickly roll down turf.
The answers to these questions are quite simply if you understand how places are being created. The houses are products to be sold so they need to make them presentable and standardized. People can do whatever they want afterwards.
> suburban shitholes are economically unsustainable and their living standards will continue to deteriorate during the coming decades (as its infrastructure inevitable decays and bankrupted local administrations can't afford to replace it).
This board has negative IQ.
same thing marx described with enclosures etc
Because we are white (anglo) and the English gave us our lawns
Regulations to create jobs and combat the dust bowl.
I'll add that American urban and suburban cities/towns that somehow survived post-1945 policies and demographic changes can border on utopian, and there is a very distinct Anglo feel to those old communities even if they're made of Italians or Irish or whatever. The real problem is that the changes in industry, "dematerialization, or "financialization" or capitalism, whatever the hell you want to call it. Even moreso the normalization of postwar zoning and construction methods. People understood what they were losing during the depression and after the war but struggled to articulate it in any rational sense. They thought the future held nothing but potential after the war was over. Terribly naive tbh
Suburbs were created by israelites in order to separate White people from society and nature. Suburbs are the reason everyone is a neurotic mess and kids have no friends nowadays, they just watch TV or play video games since there’s nothing to do besides consume.
Feels like suburbs could be much comfier if they had nice parks amongst them and if they were less cookie-cutter and a bit more walkable.
Older pre-WWII communities tend to have sidewalks and metro parks or playgrounds. Modern suburbs are mostly NPC housing developments with no greenery besides lawns and have HOAs, I don’t know how people find them appealing. Also the people saying this is only a thing out West are wrong, the South is almost entirely terrible suburbs nowadays especially Florida
I remember the suburbs where you had streams, creeks, lots of fields, patches of forests people played in, and you could walk to playgrounds. Why did they stop those?
we never almost starved in the 20th century.
Another wealthy subdivision north of Charlotte that seems to have been constructed around 2000
It'd actually be perfect if it just had businesses nearby.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/10/31/what-the-rise-of-homeowners-associations-means-for-americans.html
> It's becoming increasingly common for new homeowners to find themselves in an HOA-governed property. Roughly 84% of newly built, single-family homes sold in 2022 belonged to homeowners associations, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
You will own nothing and be happy.
>One guy shows up in-thread and drops a random neighborhood on the google-maps streetview
>entire premise of the thread is btfo
thank you random anon
Its actually 4 different neighborhoods that were posted
Saying that post WW2 suburban developments don't have sidewalks or trees is really moronic (even the OP had sidewalks). New developments will often have poor tree cover at the beginning but better as the development ages. Its known in biology as 'growth'.
>brits
>garden
in what universe mon ami?
I want Eurosnores to guess where this google maps street view was taken, to see if their "exception proves the rule" mentality will hold fast.