Why did Australia and New Zealand not end up becoming one country when they gained independence? What are the cultural differences between them?
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Why did Australia and New Zealand not become one country when they gained independence?
The Aussies feared the Maori
New South Wales wanted all trade inbound and outbound from NZ to go through Sydney
As it should to this day
Based.
They're too far away from each other so being administered as a single country would be impractical, also different approaches to the relations with the natives.
By that logic Western australia shouldn't be in australia, it's much further away from Victoria/NSW than the entirety of NZ
Western Australia tried to leave and London said No.
Why?
God fricking knows but westralia was almost a thing.
Would probably have gone to shit before the 70s mining boom
Because western australia is almost like an island on its own, completely detached from the rest of the population of the country, separated by thousands of miles of ocean and desert
Same could be said of the Pacific Coast's relationship with the rest of the US tbh.
I've tried driving from Arizona to San Diego in August. It's awful. We (I had a co-driver) had to carry shitloads of distilled water in case the radiator dried out.
Australia is like hotel California, you enter any time you like, but you can never leave.
Originally Western Australia joined Australia because it had no economy and was a backwater. Eventually Western Australia discovered gold and became rich. The Western Australian voted to leave Australia, but the British high court struck down their independence because they said once a state joined Australia it was not allowed to secede under the Australian constitution.
WA joined the Federation partly because the Gold Rush, which began in the 90s, brought thousands of easterners who eagerly voted "Yes" into the goldfields. The agricultural areas in the South West, which were responsible for WA's biggest exports until mining really took off all voted against joining the rest of Australia.
Westralia is an interesting "VGH, what could have been..." but I don't think we would have been any better off on our own.
>They're too far away from each other so being administered as a single country would be impractical.
???
The distance between Canberra and Wellington is half the distance between Sacramento, California and Washington, D.C.
You can't build roads and railways over the high seas.
What about Hawaii?
Going from Sydney to Auckland was shorter than Sydney to perth by boat in 1900
emus can't swim that far
>Why did Australia and New Zealand not end up becoming one country when they gained independence? What are the cultural differences between them?
They're the same differences as the United States and Canada (minus Quebec).
Mostly trivial differences that one side massively overstates so they can pretend they totally aren't exactly the goddamn same?
Three main reasons
1. The “Great Depression” of 1890 was started in Australia and cause the whole world to go into a massive economic downturn. Australia had been a massive investment bubble in the UK stock trade and that bubble fricked up the world. The dominions were forming in the middle of this depression and New Zealand wanted nothing to do with the economic disaster. Had the dominions formed in the 1880’s it’s much more likely they would have joined.
2. States within Australia traded more with each other than the UK. So it was natural for them to join together. New Zealand traded more with the Uk than Australia. So they were natural trade enemies, and joining Australia would have disrupted New Zealand’s trade.
3. Cultural differences between New Zealand and Australia. Because New Zealand couldn’t fully conquer the Maori, they negotiated with them to give the Maori their own parliament and special rights and spending. The Maori after they had lost most of the land were still legal equals with the Anglo Kiwis and even had special rights the Anglos didn’t.
Australia on the other hand didn’t let 90%+ of Aboriginals vote. Aboriginals had always been much less advanced than Maori and had the Aboriginals been totally conquered in every way by the British. The Aboriginals were not even viewed as fully human by the whites and had very few rights.
New Zealand was worried that Australia would try to legally treat Maori like Aboriginals and that would lead to war. And would be a great tragedy to a people the Kiwis had come to respect.
Also in many ways Kiwis looked down on Aussies as Kiwis parents and grandparents in that time generally had been middle class British people. Meanwhile Australians had been convicts, and had been drawn from the lower class of British society and were disproportionately Irish. So the Kiwis had a certain sense of superiority of the Aussies for being the favored child of the Empire.
The last point makes me want to sink NZ into the sea, literally anglos liking abos over their brothers in Australia because they were poor
Hope NZ gets ravaged by an earthquake followed by economic depression and then a race war
>The last point makes me want to sink NZ into the sea, literally anglos liking abos over their brothers in Australia because they were poor
You hate them for acting like backstabbing anglos?
race traitors who today are basically a reddit country
Canada is worse though
Race traitors are cool tho
t. race traitor
Seethe
>Irish
>brothers
Seamus...
You will never have a ethnostate
White kiwis would definitely lose that race war
This guy explains it. Especially the part about about Kiwis looking down on Aussies because of their convict ancestry.
Great points, I'd only add another fear New Zealanders had, was of the notable Chinese population in NSW and Victoria which they feared of coming to New Zealand. Additionally, the Australian Constitution was formed without any New Zealander consultation, and was presented to them as something to either join or refuse, and not something which they could negotiate on.
Maori =/= Aboriginals. The Treaty of Waitangi and subsequent negoatiaons were done on purpose to avoid the bloody conquest which would've been necessary to take New Zealand. When the British attempted to undermine the treaty, the Maori King Movement effectively checked them for decades. The New Zealand Wars were far more destructive than any Australian frontier war, bar maybe the Black War.
>Why did Australia and New Zealand not end up becoming one country when they gained independence?
Because the kiwis didn't want their maori getting lumped in with the abbos under Australia's laws, as they thought maoris deserved better.
>What are the cultural differences between them?
none.
And almost the entirety of it is shitty useless uninhabitable wasteland.
the midwest has been improving over the last ten years
Kek
Always been curious about this:
Is Regina pronounced like ruh-jai-nuh or like ruh-gai-nuh?
Reh Jee Naa
>ywn live in the emperor Tony Abbott annexing NZ timeline
>instead we ended up with some fat useless prick who once shit himself at a maccas
Based Abbott was too based for our timeline
Do you see that big ocean