Why did Columbus go to this islamic shithole instead of a proper European country like France or England
Why did Columbus go to this islamic shithole instead of a proper European country like France or England
Why did Columbus go to this islamic shithole instead of a proper European country like France or England
I guess it's because it was closer to the Hesperides or something. The Spanish already had the yellow birdie islands, so I imagine they probably knew a bit about the land beyond the pillars of Hercules, hence why they were more willing to go out west than people closer to the heart of Europe.
Also, the Portuguese had already sailed around Africa, so it was just a matter of time before the Spanish tried sailing around the world too.
>islamic
There were less muslims in Spain in 1492 than in the two other countries today lol
Only Spain and Portugal had the mean to be involved in such large entreprise. England was a shithole just out of a civil war and France was never interested in naval affairs
Columbus first option was Portugal because they were the ones who had the most experience as sailors and the most advanced ships
>There were less muslims in Spain in 1492 than in the two other countries today lol
All iberians are nonwhite MENA rapebabies with black admixture
Bottom guy looks like that irish guy from /soc/
cope
You're a Black person Paco.
so your beautiful nordic woman got raped by arabs? kek
wtf is your problem?
>Spain and Portugal had the mean
Mean what? Mean income? Mean fertility rate? Mean household size?
Or do you mean "mean" as in "Man, these people are mean" or like "That's a mean-looking tomato pie you got 'ere"?
>15th century
>France or England
you avin a gigol m8?
It wasn't his first choice. I believe at first he made a proposition to the government of his native Republic of Genoa, but got no reply. Then he asked the king of Portugal (Columbus had lived and worked in Portugal for years and had a Portuguese wife), but the project got rejected. Only then did he go to Spain.
>believe at first he made a proposition to the government of his native Republic of Genoa, but got no
It literally never happened, we don't even know for sure if Columbus was genoan
Samples from his son Ferdinand reveal a mostly Iberian origin, you can find the article online and a lot of newspaper headlines about it. The Genoese hypothesis has been pretty much discarded.
Columbus himself had a brother named Diego that worked as a cartographer in Lisbon, thats the mosts stereotypical 15th century iberian shit I can think of. He definitely had some connection to Genoa in his early life but he was probably Spanish or Portuguese.
Source? I cant find anything
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/01/22/a-wiener-and-bull-story-christopher-columbus-dna-tests-aim-to-end-dispute-over-birthplace/&ved=2ahUKEwjf0sKdpO6EAxUnUKQEHcrqCSgQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3lU8omKAe86fO4YP_84jVy
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/01/22/a-wiener-and-bull-story-christopher-columbus-dna-tests-aim-to-end-dispute-over-birthplace/&ved=2ahUKEwjf0sKdpO6EAxUnUKQEHcrqCSgQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3lU8omKAe86fO4YP_84jVy
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/19/dna-study-sets-out-to-establish-true-origins-of-christopher-columbus&ved=2ahUKEwjf0sKdpO6EAxUnUKQEHcrqCSgQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JcsFZXw-xzzsOog9n5rZv
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://ksj.mit.edu/tracker-archive/updated-dna-tests-all-over-was-columbus/&ved=2ahUKEwjf0sKdpO6EAxUnUKQEHcrqCSgQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1uopQqBaSpWXbS6g4OkEEs
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://english.elpais.com/culture/2022-11-29/tracing-columbuss-dna-two-exhumations-in-spain-seek-to-determine-the-explorers-lineage-once-and-for-all.html%3FoutputType%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwjf0sKdpO6EAxUnUKQEHcrqCSgQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Hgwv2HK6EY3nNfUblOdLU
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.fundacaooureana.pt/en/tag/christopher-columbus-dna/&ved=2ahUKEwjf0sKdpO6EAxUnUKQEHcrqCSgQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2eYHlT7VaynuVIXnrq3wxC
Source for his portuguese brother: Gilman, D. C.; Peck, H. T.; Colby, F. M., eds. (1905). "Columbus, Diego (brother)". New International Encyclopedia (1st ed.).
Theres also a papal bull by pope Alexander VI where he directly calls Colombus "son of Iberia" (Inter Caetera papal bull)
Ok thx I will read that when I have time later
The study got stalled like the other anon said but there has been some progress made regarding Fredinand (check last link) so the final results are expectable sometime soon.
How?
Hilariously the iberian researchers trying to prove his iberian origin never published anything in the end. Even after 10 years.
Because it turned out he was genoese so they are readily hiding it lmao
Why are you lying? They didnt try to prove anything and it was a joint spanish-italian-american research that got stalled because of Covid. The result will be there eventually. And it definitely hasnt been 10 year
They did, they even found traces of croatian apparently.
There's a crazy theory that columbus was half polish half portuguese. The mix of the two will give you more or less a croat I believe
But I doubt it, what study are you refering to
Theyd didnt. They didnt published anything in the end. The very articles you posted say the study was never published. The iberian researchers that went arround aaying they were excited to prove the spanish origin of columbus pussied out when they found he was genoese and hid everything
Im the guy that posted the articles not him, and they're still undergoing
Also mistake here, its not in the last link, I lost track of which link is which.
This made me notice something, is it me or was the poster count removed
Yes asiaticmoot took it away for obscure reasons
The one thing that hzlped us to notice schizos is gone
Idk why thy did it it just feeds into the paranoia that the mods were involved in the board flooding schizophrenia
because its true
>pussied out when they found he was genoese and hid everything
Why you invent shit
becaus it wasn't a shithole
Basques had the best oceanic ships
The ships that went to America in the first voyage were not basque though
Huh? The biggest ship in the expedition was owned by Juan de La Cosa, from Cantabria, basically Basque
>Bro, I paid for it, so I get ALL the credit for it
israeli mindset
Cantabria=/ basque
A few kms away, same shipbuilding traditions
Wasn't exactly a shithole, it controlled half of Italy, recently a large 15th century Basque Castillian ship has been found in Newsport, Castillians were involved both in the Atlantic trade and to a lesser extent in the Mediterranean one, Catalns were masters of Mediterranean trade, so Spain (Castille + Catalans) was a nation of excellent and experienced sailors
>it controlled half of Italy
The shittier and poorer half. The Kingdom of Aragon was a separate entitity from the Kingdom of Castile till the revocation of medieval privileges known as fueros by Prince Philippe, duc d'Anjou (AKA King Philip V of Spain) in the year 1707.
The Kingdom of Aragon played no role whatsoever in the conquest of Mexico and Peru.
>inb4 I already knew that but frick you, smartass guiri
Yo no onions un guiri, sino un hombre que no es leal a ningún país.
have a nice day latinx
>The shittier and poorer half.
Poorer than the North maybe, but still one of the wealthiest places in the Mediterranean, Naples was among the biggest cities in Europe
In 1304 The Florentine chronicler Giovanni Villani writes that Basque cogs were brought to the Mediterranean and that local shipwrights started to copy them; the Castillian merchant navy was one of the best
sage&report
noko in all fields 🙂
The bad tongues claim he was the queen's lover or something close to that, he planned this journey and the crown just wanted him out of the continent, the portuguese maps and aproximations he used made sense when someone explained them to him, and his capacity to have no idea where he was is astonishing, check what he did, called everything magical, ate all the toxic food got syfilis and died, why the continent is called america, for Americo Vespucio
moronic post
This board is full of people butthurt at iberians
Disregard my words as special needs, shall you but remember the more u know of the man the dumbest he looks
>The bad tongues
Literally no native English speaker uses a literal translation of "las malas lenguas", Paco.
The expression also exist in french dumb angloid
and in Italian
Latinized
Also go ahead am free to disprove
What language are we communicating in right now, Pedro? Spanish? Portuguese? Italian? French?
Some French dialect called english for some bizarre reason
Is IQfy really so moronic, as to call one of the most Important kingdoms of Europe in the start of it's biggest golden age a "shithole"?
Really?
>Is IQfy really so moronic, as to call one of the most Important kingdoms of Europe in the start of it's biggest golden age a "shithole"?
A lot of Yanks here seething at everything Spanish-speaking.
Because back then Castile was a better shithole than Ingerland or France
>islamic
They had just finished defeating the last Islamic state in the peninsula; they had been at war with Islamic states for hundreds of years so they were the most anti-islamic state in the world, hence why Colombus wanted to use the money he'd gain in India to fund a crusade
>shithole
It wasn't a shithole by any means, they had large fleets of ships so it was an ideal kingdom to launch expedition from, and they were the closest to Africa
>a proper European country like France or England
Colombus cared about Christendom, not about how pale you were, unless you were a noble woman to marry maybe, lol
Columbus may have been Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, even a Sephardic israelite. All are possible.
He did. Both rejected supporting his expedition. He even went to Portugal (which also rejected) before he went to Spain and finally got support.
He never asked England of France