Why did Europe split into dozens of small countries, but China has remained mostly a single country throughout its history?

Why did Europe split into dozens of small countries, but China has remained mostly a single country throughout its history? And why did it fail to take Korea and Japan, when it took so much else?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A way higher degree of cultural and ethnic homogeneity.
    >why couldn’t they take Korea
    Their grip on the northeast of the country has always been shaky because of steppeBlack folk
    >japan
    Japan was a resource-scarce backwater for the vast majority of east Asia’s history. Whenever a Chinese dynasty was at its peak it’s attention was focused on Central Asia where all the money was. The Ming drew up plans to invade japan but discarded them in favour of conquering Turkestan instead.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fpbp as always. Japan modernizing so fast was because of their shitty position too, once Russia found began to claim Hokaido before the Japs they went into full blown panic

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >China has remained mostly a single country throughout its history
    It hasn't /thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      compared to Europe? yeah it has

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/E6T6Kx6.png

      China split up and was reunified a bunch of times. This was attempted in Europe after the Roman empire many times, but none really were able to reunify the whole region, just parts.

      China is unified in 2024, I don't know if you've heard. Let's see how Europes doing on the other hand

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh man you're gonna freak when you find out what europe's been doing the last few decades

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And it wasn't unified until 1954. You could make a case that Europe is more unified now than at anytime since Charlemagne, or maybe before Diocletian. What with the EU and the common currency and all that.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Byzantium and HRE were to weak to conquer everything. Because of that, the other kingdoms and cultures only became more entrenched with time, making unification of Europe even less likely.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Chinese were not christcucked, Europe was most united in Pagan Rome.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The Chinese were not christcucked, Europe was most united in Pagan Rome.
      I think this is a big part of it. Christianity divided the Roman identity into Pagans vs. Christians, and later Christians vs. Heretic. The barbarians would convert into Christianity rather than Roman culture, and the Muslims, later on, remain loyal to Islam, such that the religious identity over ethnic identity and religious conflicts make it difficult to assimilate any group inside the country and to reclaim the lost territory. Also Christians came to kill each other too since the interpretations of Christianity are different.

      Confucianism is a lot different. It's like a different universe. But it includes a Chinese identity in a package with rules about governing, ethics, and a way of life. Confucianism separates religion from politics so there's no base for a religious identity to replace the Chinese identity. Confucianists only differentiate between Chinese and barbarians. As long as you practice Confucianism, you're Chinese, and you kick out religion from politics and you have no need to adopt any official religion and to enforce it because Confucianists can manage the empire for you. The Roman version would be if the barbarians, Arabs, and Ottomans, Russians and etc. adopted the Roman culture and became Romans and defended Roman unity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >united under Pagan Rome
      >not plagued with constant civil wars and corruption
      Also China is united cause they would just purge other ethnic groups until they are replaced and force them to follow Confucius ideas, unlike Rome
      Europe splitting into dozen of small countries is unironically the best thing to happen to the continent

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    forceful assimilation, either be chinese or go somewhere else

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    European geography encourage many centres of power. Big state's have difficulty to bully smaller states because they are often protected by mountains, peninsulas, rivers etc. At the same time many have navigable rivers or coastlines that allows them to have independent economic cores. China, by contrast, is dominated by the Yellow and the Yangtze which allows the Chinese government to rule in a more centralised way.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    europe was unlucky

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think Europe was lucky
      Superstates are not nice to be in

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    geography
    look at a physical map

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >China has remained mostly a single country throughout
    Only after the mongol invasion, it is a common theme, also see:russia

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    China is a large cultural continuum of a relatively homogenous race speaking similar dialects, and its geography lends itself to being ruled by a central authority over a large area. That being said, there were several times in Chinese history when it was fractured into warlord states.

    Europe is far more full of peninsulas, rivers, forests, mountain ranges, islands, jagged coastlines and a variable climate. Look at the climatic difference of somewhere like Norway or Denmark compared to Sicily or Greece. Rome mainly unified the Mediterranean, it had to stop at the Rhine and Britain.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    China proper pretty much is the extent non foreign dynasties controlled for the first 2k years of the dynastic cycle. Other sparsely populated territories it controls today were added by the last Manchu dynasty beginning not from China but from Manchuria. It's a lot smaller and more isolated compared to the giant oikumene from Ireland to Persia. Also the chinese rarely ever needed to engage in naval stuff like european powers had to do since antiquity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      forgot pic

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    china was better off as a collection of warring states

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine china like asia's version of the roman empire. except it didn't really fall apart and went on, under different leadership with varying degrees of continuity, for thousands of years.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    China split up and was reunified a bunch of times. This was attempted in Europe after the Roman empire many times, but none really were able to reunify the whole region, just parts.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why wasn't Europe ever able to have an Empire like this after the Romans? China at its peaks (Tang, Ming, Qing) literally influenced half the world. They had a proper "Empire" before Europe even moved out of straw huts.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well it helps that they were much, much more advanced than every other civilization on the planet at the time.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern shit doesn't count. Everyone knows China fell behind in the 1800's. If they didn't, you'd unironically be speaking mandarin right now.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lol, fastest goalpost shift of all time

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol. Do you think Taiwan is part of China just because China says so?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wait I got more.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/9lh3ZQY.png

            What?

            It took European civilizations a thousand years to get empires like this. Besides Rome of course. China has been consistently a large and influential power for like 2500 years. So have the Persians and the Turks.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Behold, the Empire of the Yuan Dynasty.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe this is cope but this is really unfair praise to the British. It was barely an empire, before the 13 colonies got uppity the British barely ran it. Salutary neglect.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern Empires are simply soulless.

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