yes i am missing it (you must be talking about the David Farrell Krell translation), i have in pdf for now but i will buy it...also the Hamburger book has a few versions of Empedocles for now
what's his best? And I hope you are reading it in german
sadly no, i know so much is lost by not reading in the original, and i don't mean generally with translations, or even more so with translations of poetry, but specifically with Hölderlin...
been trying to learn German but it's been difficult due to my busy schedule and laziness, etc...
"As for madness and death, was Nietzsche's madness a good type? I think one would have a hard time claiming it was divine. For the Greeks one's fate and the triumph of life was tied to a great wealth in death, as with Solon. Nietzsche's death seems to me a catastrophe, one of the worst fates one could ever have. It was by no means a good madness, nothing like Empedocles diving into a volcano. It was rather an endless stasis of pain without any meaning, apart from a later audience of people Nietzsche would have despised. A labhrinth without any steibing possible. A negative fate, psychological.
Hölderlin's madness may give another image. Not entirely positive, to be sure, but interesting given that he was entirely cared for by strangers, given a great tower to live in like a medieval hero of folklore. This was a positive fate, along with his living much as in the elements of memory. He was still able to create beautiful art, as if automatically."
Because he couldn't successfully combine Greek paganism and Christianity. It remained irresolved to the end of his life, and put much stress on his personality.
That’s correct actually. It had to do with religion.
> A true synthesis, after all, was impossible. If Hölderlin had succeeded in persuading himself that Christ was no more divine than Dionysus, it has been well pointed out, he would have had no serious difficulty in constructing a myth of reconciliation." In his last known letter written before his breakdown, he wrote of the greatness of the ancients but also of the "incomprehensibly more divine character of our holy religion." Unlike Goethe, Schiller, Heine, and a host of lesser men, he had a specific, very strong love for Christ; indeed, a psychological bond to Him. For a worshiper of the Greeks, it was a paradoxical en- dowment. As Guardini says, one cannot even be sure whether Hölderlin's gods were essentially pagan or rather served to prepare the way for an acceptance of the one god of Christianity, conceived of not as a bloodless monotheistic principle but as a living reality. Certainly he had a fibre adorative, a genuinely religious temperament. Unlike his successor Stefan George, he reached no clear decision. Even the evidence of his long years of madness is inconsistent. He spoke of himself as orthodox and was, at one period, badly upset when visitors brought up pagan matters.
> Generally, Hölderlin's impact has been mainly in the direction of paganism: it is his vision of Greece which has had the greatest appeal. In the nineteenth century he was largely ignored, though Nietzsche admired him intensely.
> Apart from his personal psychological problems, Hölderlin's fatal conflict derived from the impossibility of reconciling his deep devotion to Christ with a clashing belief. This conflict is as old as Christianity itself; it was his intensity, his very sincerity, which made it unbearable.
>tfw can't get into most of Hölderlin because I don't understand his meter
Please help me out, Hölderlingays of IQfy. I like a lot of the words he is saying, but I cannot gor the life of me get into the actual poetry aspect. People say he "perfected" the art of the meter, but a lot of his stuff feels like it is written in free verse to me. It's a chore to read him.
bump. I love that lil homie like you wouldn't believe and also Kierkegaard (jungergay has never mentioned him afaik), de Tocqueville, Junger, and Schmitt
this is the power of german idealism
was he a german idealist as well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oldest_Systematic_Program_of_German_Idealism
coming out in Nov. ---according to some he did not go crazy, he was essentially faking it
I heard something about that too. How he faked it for political reasons
>Isaac von Sinclair
he took the redpill
why dont you?
recluse with daddy (god) issues
Was he really a communist, guys?
Yes, so was Wagner.
Can you explain a bit more or at least point out texts on this?
sirs, i am obsessed
No annotated edition of Death of Empedocles?
yes i am missing it (you must be talking about the David Farrell Krell translation), i have in pdf for now but i will buy it...also the Hamburger book has a few versions of Empedocles for now
sadly no, i know so much is lost by not reading in the original, and i don't mean generally with translations, or even more so with translations of poetry, but specifically with Hölderlin...
been trying to learn German but it's been difficult due to my busy schedule and laziness, etc...
what's his best? And I hope you are reading it in german
Get on my level.
have sex holy shit
actual cringe
>Nietzsche and Wagner
>Not the superior combination of Beethoven and Goethe
is he the ultimate NEET? Living in a tower of someone else for 36 years, producing nothing of value
>nothing of value
He didn't read the Scardanelli poems
"As for madness and death, was Nietzsche's madness a good type? I think one would have a hard time claiming it was divine. For the Greeks one's fate and the triumph of life was tied to a great wealth in death, as with Solon. Nietzsche's death seems to me a catastrophe, one of the worst fates one could ever have. It was by no means a good madness, nothing like Empedocles diving into a volcano. It was rather an endless stasis of pain without any meaning, apart from a later audience of people Nietzsche would have despised. A labhrinth without any steibing possible. A negative fate, psychological.
Hölderlin's madness may give another image. Not entirely positive, to be sure, but interesting given that he was entirely cared for by strangers, given a great tower to live in like a medieval hero of folklore. This was a positive fate, along with his living much as in the elements of memory. He was still able to create beautiful art, as if automatically."
Source?
He launched the Numidium.
Because he couldn't successfully combine Greek paganism and Christianity. It remained irresolved to the end of his life, and put much stress on his personality.
so true and Neetch got syphilis from a prostitute
That’s correct actually. It had to do with religion.
> A true synthesis, after all, was impossible. If Hölderlin had succeeded in persuading himself that Christ was no more divine than Dionysus, it has been well pointed out, he would have had no serious difficulty in constructing a myth of reconciliation." In his last known letter written before his breakdown, he wrote of the greatness of the ancients but also of the "incomprehensibly more divine character of our holy religion." Unlike Goethe, Schiller, Heine, and a host of lesser men, he had a specific, very strong love for Christ; indeed, a psychological bond to Him. For a worshiper of the Greeks, it was a paradoxical en- dowment. As Guardini says, one cannot even be sure whether Hölderlin's gods were essentially pagan or rather served to prepare the way for an acceptance of the one god of Christianity, conceived of not as a bloodless monotheistic principle but as a living reality. Certainly he had a fibre adorative, a genuinely religious temperament. Unlike his successor Stefan George, he reached no clear decision. Even the evidence of his long years of madness is inconsistent. He spoke of himself as orthodox and was, at one period, badly upset when visitors brought up pagan matters.
> Generally, Hölderlin's impact has been mainly in the direction of paganism: it is his vision of Greece which has had the greatest appeal. In the nineteenth century he was largely ignored, though Nietzsche admired him intensely.
> Apart from his personal psychological problems, Hölderlin's fatal conflict derived from the impossibility of reconciling his deep devotion to Christ with a clashing belief. This conflict is as old as Christianity itself; it was his intensity, his very sincerity, which made it unbearable.
he read Call of the Crocodile
>tfw can't get into most of Hölderlin because I don't understand his meter
Please help me out, Hölderlingays of IQfy. I like a lot of the words he is saying, but I cannot gor the life of me get into the actual poetry aspect. People say he "perfected" the art of the meter, but a lot of his stuff feels like it is written in free verse to me. It's a chore to read him.
Check.the jungergay threads. He helped a lot.
bump. I love that lil homie like you wouldn't believe and also Kierkegaard (jungergay has never mentioned him afaik), de Tocqueville, Junger, and Schmitt