Why did the soviet union fail to keep up with computer technology against the western world?
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They didn't have Stanley Kubrick to fake propaganda with.
elon musk will fix censorship with his low orbin satellites. if they will bypass GFWC then nothing will stop freedom and all other censorship regimes will fall like domino
Starlink still needs earth stations to access the internet.
He will be cancelled lmao. You can't have an uncensored platform. That goes against the narrative.
>censorship regimes
Bruh, you literally can go to jail if you post memes in Europe. Please, stop this globohomosexual cope.
The West has no censorship because when private companies with monopolies on certain types of information censor you, it doesn't counts.
In Europe they jail for posting parody songs, and in the US, the states sponsores NGOs to sabotage your life and thebanks will seize your assets on behalf of the ADL. Freedom in the West is a fricking lie
Most vatniks have no life to sabotage or assets to seize. They'll still get suicided if they question things too loudly, however, as it goes everywhere else.
No, Starlink cooperates with the military and pentagon. Maybe Musk is a feee speech extremist, but USA laws not.
Freedom? Freedom to do what? Musk has done nothing but waste enormous amount of resources on failed/failing projects. Why should one person have the "freedom" to make such moves on behalf of the human race?
¨a corporativist will give us freedom guys!!!¨
wow, such a powerfull message
Because they were a third world country. Their accomplishments like speak more of the shortcomings of western society.
>doesn't know what first, second and third worlds are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World
moron
>Errrrrm ackhutally, in the 1960's second and third world had a specific definition
>I don't care if "third world" has taken on a totally different meaning since then
>I'm going to keep repeating this fact, because I think it makes me seem smart.
>When in reality it actually makes me look like a midwit that can't understand that languages evolve.
It makes sense to use them in historical context, for example when talking computing in USSR during that time period.
moron
It's quite funny that 1st, 2nd and 3rd world are returning to their original meaning.
No it was not, a manned landing on the moon (moon landing was done in 1966) was the first thing Americans managed to be first, so Americans said "This is all that matter, we won", after the manned moon landing there were landings on mars, venus, flybys on distant planets, space stations, ... but the US is a country where the "We won market" matters more than truth.
>This is all that matter, we won"
Well USSR was not even repeat achievement by their own manned landing let alone rise stakes and beat US achievement by Mars manned landing. No. Communists just keeled over and said : "we surrender".
>Well USSR was not even repeat achievement by their own manned landing
Of course, the US literally picked something that USSR was no longer trying to do to be first... or do you think the US can be first if it's not running alone.
>we don't need manned Moon landing
>we don't need to take Kyiv
cope
I love how the first moon landing was done by USSR, while the US will always have the "manned" word attached to it.
Cope harder. Landing humans on the Moon and returning them safely is about 100x more complex than landing an RC toy.
>Landing humans on the Moon and returning them safely is about 100x more complex than landing an RC toy.
Nah, tying a dude to an automate probe is a minor variation of just sending the probe.
Still, congratulation on the first Manned landing on the moon.
Nothing against america, but you know shit was getting serious when AMERICA, the land of the free market had to create a STATE OWNED space enterprise to compete against state owned space enterprise of the USSR. Seems like a very bitter victory to me
Now the US have private companies doing space explorations, this may have some relation with the lack of anything but low orbit commercial launches being made.
Guess who made the US highway system.
>Guess who made the US highway system.
Mexico?
Hint: it was long before Trump.
Cope serb
>race should be won not by the one who finished first
>First one to complete lap 1 : USSR
>First one to complete lap 2 : USSR
>First one to complete lap 3 : USSR
>First one to complete lap 4 : US
>Winner of the race : US
Funny how that works.
They should have finished the race if they didn't want people saying they lost.
The soviets just wanted spy sattelites and to be able to launch nukes
>The soviets just wanted spy sattelites and to be able to launch nukes
Well, that was the main point and practical purpose for the space race, the dick measuring contest of going to the moon is the thing for the media.
US never successfully landed on Venus. They lost the space race.
>OMG we sent a half-assed probe to some shithole planet where it melted within an hour
This is why the criteria for deciding the winner of the space race must involve sending actual humans somewhere; you can't cheat your way to a technical victory because you will end up with dead astronauts.
>we get to arbitrarily declare where the race ends to better suit our needs
i think one of the competitors imploding and ceasing to exist is a good end point
>arbitrarily
the space race was always about the moon you complete fricking moron
Reddit didn't like this one bit did they
Keep coping tankies, the victors write the history books
>the victors write the history books
that's the problem, we can only choose how much we will lose.
I wonder what kinds of things PRC will write about the US in the future, do you guys think the moon landing will go down on history as a vain atempt to pretend the US won the space race?
they might, the chinese won't give a shit though.
it's how the dehumanization process works: you turn people into cattle and then you stop caring about people problems.
the soviet union did send a rover to mars in the 70s, it took the usa 30 years more to send one
Nope. The Soviets only sent landers that all crashed or failed and their rover never made it into space.
yet redtroons never managed to achieve what US did
No one cares if you don't win the last game of the season.
this image fails to mention all the planets that USSR sent the first probes to
Just let Ruskies think that we didn't beat them; their GDP is lower than that of Brazil now... And soon their standard of living is about to get MUCH worse... Let them have SOMETHING.
it's because the Soviets success rate was absolutely embarrassing, and even when they succeeded, half the time they got very little useful data out of it, it's like they were doing those missions just for the PR value
American missions actually got shit done and surpassed expectations
>Sputnik 1, first man made satellite
>carried only a radio, and an internal temperature and pressure instrument
>deorbited after 4 months
>Explorer 1, first American satellite
>carried radio, several temperature sensors both internal and external, cosmic rays sensors and two sensors to detect micrometeorites
>planned to stay in orbit for 3 years
>remained there for 12 years
let's not even mention the fact that there are only 4 interstellar probes at the moment, and how they're all American
>First successful Venus flyby
US - Mariner 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner_2
>First successful Mars flyby
US - Mariner 4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner_4
>First successful Mars landing
US - Viking 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_1
>flyby
you can send bread to space and do a flyby, soviets actually landed on venus
They could have mentioned that the Soviets were the first to land on the moon
>The physical exploration of the Moon began when Luna 2, a space probe launched by the Soviet Union, made an impact on the surface of the Moon on September 14, 1959.
>first vehicle on moon:
Uhhh, Lunokhod 1?
>Uhhh, Lunokhod 1?
First manned vehicle.
But
didn't say that
So? That's what was implied. Still doesn't change the fact that USA beat the Soviets to every planet in the solar system and landed humans on the Moon.
>That's what was impLIED.
It's amazing how you gloss over a dozen other things to focus on one technicality. Landing humans and fricking car on the Moon is far more impressive than a toilet with wheels.
Soviets grasping for any little win they can manage. The USSR failed at everything thing it did.
Every single one of the accomplishments is nothing compared to landing on the moon. Its actually pretty easy to throw shit up to orbit. Thats why space x can do it and why no other country had landed men on the moon.
Soviet were behind on electronics and basically everything. Just look at russias current state. They have one fab and its outdated and their aircraft they produce are very outdated and trash so they limp in the Ukraine war.
Soviet Union was supposedly a world power not some small European country. they have no excuse for not funding their computing sector.
>Soviet Union was supposedly a world power not some small European country. they have no excuse for not funding their computing sector.
Taiwan is at the forefront though, they aren't huge. Same with South Korea. USSR just got unlucky, it happens sometimes.
>The country that was basically Peru 30 years ago?
Taiwan and South Korea were in similar states.
>Just look at russias current state
Disingenous. Their GDP halved after 1990 and they still have to fix the shit clinton and his puppet caused
Meanwhile, in reality:
USSR took in Nazis also.
The engine used by the Soviets was designed by political prisoner. Sergei Korolev was sentenced to 10 years in forced labor for being a Nazi.
Look up who was Korolev...
>Look up who was Korolev...
A Russian Rocket engineer born on the Russian empire, employeed by the red army as a researcher, was imprisoned for 2 years due to accusations of sabotage.
Why do you lie?
He was sentenced to 10 years. But had his sentence reduced after prove his worth.
Also, he was charged and confess (probably under torture) treason and sabotage. He was originally accused of being a Nazi sympathizer, but I give you that it was a really popular accusation back in time.
i am forgotten
It's not forgotten, nor is the 2nd mission.
Lunkhod 1 and 2 for anyone interested.
Can't forget Soviet Venus exploits either.
>first humans on moon: USA
>first vehicle on moon: USA
>first human to leave spacecraft un-tethered: USA
>first probe to Mercury: USA
>first probe to Venus: USA
>first probe to Mars: USA
>first robot on Mars: USA
>first probe to Jupiter: USA
>first probe to Saturn: USA
>first probe to Uranus: USA
>first probe to Neptune: USA
>first robot on Titan: USA
>first probe to Pluto/Charon: USA
>first probe to Vesta/Ceres: USA
>first probe to leave the solar system: USA
>first orbital telescope: USA
cope harder
>half of these are after the soviet union stopped existing
cope
Voyagers reached the outer planets before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Cope harder Ivan.
Voyager is indeed one of the three things Americans managed to be first on space, a honest and good deed.
The only issue are the dozen other things USSR was first and people like you tend to ignore.
You're completely glossing over
&
The things USSR was first in were just variations on the same theme of launching something into LEO (with exception of a first lunar probe). The USA was first in far greater diversity of achievements such as human lunar activity and planetary exploration.
>1.Manned moon landing
>2. Inner planets flyby
>3. Outplanets flyby
But if this annoys you so much, we can split item 2 into mars and venus so the US can have 4 "firsts".
>The USA was first in far greater diversity of achievements such as human lunar activity and planetary exploration.
Literally the above, and the first chimp in space.
>orbital spacecraft
>orbital spacecraft with dead pupper
>orbital spacecraft with human
>orbital spacecraft with human that bled once a month
>orbital spacecraft with a door
>orbital spacecraft with several humans that occasionally caught on fire
wow, comrades we really btfo those capitalist pigs
damn thats a lot of seethe replies
The only seething is in the image that was posted.
it keeps going and going and going
We have never been in the moon
You dont win a race by giving up.
They pretty much won the moon race too, they gave Americans a 4 year head start with the moon because they thought they'd be remembered as winning the space race despite that. If Russia won the moon, America would just go to mars, and so on, and so forth.
Communism seems to hold it's weight in terms of science/medicine/military.
You mean in propaganda about these things. Name 10 most used medical drugs and say who invented them. Pro tip: not commies.
Almost every medicine in that top 10 is heart medication and it is so popular because of the American way that corporations are allowed to poison the population with food. Frick the USA may it fall fast on its black circumcised ass.
Good things commies had no problems with heart deseases (ups, just kidding, primary cause of death among Soviet males). Just look at this juicy unprecedent in modern history reductions in life expectancy during peace time. This means communistic medicine is working. sarcasm/ off
Fun fact: in many African countries male life expectancy is longer now.
you are arguing with a disaffected american cuckservative blue collar aligned migatard who is trying to conceptualize a modern sentimental origin myth as an alternative to american political status quo, picking and choosing from stereotypes about other places and political regimes, also includes creating messianic deities out of political figures that in reality conflict with his ideology, just because the orange grifter israel #1 democrat didn't do a whole lot besides serving as such a deity for a while. it's sad. i keep seeing these anglo homosexuals doing this shit in the 'reactionary' cycles as well.
Landing on the moon and coming back is exponentially harder.
>First to kick boat into sea
>First to put an animal in that boat
>First to put a man in that boat
>First to put a woman in that boat
>First to swim outside the boat
>First to anchor a large boat in the ocean
>First to put sail over the ocean and back.
What an amazing post, just look at all the muttoid cope it generated
It's not cope if the facts prove otherwise.
Stay mad that you'll never make it to the moon commie Black person
The fact that the US space industry completely mogs the russian one tells you a lot more about the winner than your moronic cope image.
The real issue is that the Soviet regime wasn't comfortable enough for the German scientists to want to go over to their side. If Germany hadn't started shit with Russia in WW2 and the collapsing Germany had its brain drain to Russia and not the US, things might have been different. But only might, because tech becomes exponentially more expensive to develop, and you need to be a rich country (or a poor country with enough force presence to larp as rich) to pull it off.
Russia sucks
China sucks even harder
India is a big turd nation
deal with it and save the world to see how you can't cope showing seethegraphics
>save the world
What are you even talking about?
weed
You're the one that watched the video homosexual, you tell us.
Which video
Russians are too fixated on screwing over each other than winning anything.
crab mentality?
Sounds like capitalism
Humans in general are like this, but capitalism turns it into a "you win by making the lives of people better", until cheats are discovered and shit goes to shit.
>"you win by making the lives of people better"
Like by making insulin cost x1000 because you can, great improvements... in capitalism you win by making profit, it doesnt matter if you made people's live better or worse.
Only since 1990
Because they thought computers were a toy probably and not strictly necessary and when you're poor and have no credit you only spend the money that you have. Not defending it or anything just a guess.
Ternary computers will make a comeback. They just need more time
quantum computing makes this unlikely and obsolete
Central planning stifles innovation with excessive beaurcracy.
The U.S. was more free market capitalist back then so private companies/individuals were more free to explore computer development and secure private funding for said research without the government micro managing the projects.
This is why SpaceX is running circles around NASA right now, because NASA is a government entity that needs congressional funding, has a intricate internal heirarchy going all the way back to the 60's, internal review boards, government hiring diversity requirements they have to follow, ect. Meanwhile SpaceX is privately owned and operated an can do whatever it wants in the most practical and efficient way possible, and they are doing so with great results.
The Soviet Union failed to lead the west in computing for the same reason they failed at so many other things: they micro managed and centrally planned it right into the ground.
But the Soviets did make Tetris though, however since the Soviets didn't believe in copyright law an American was able to legally steal the idea for the game and sucessfully pitch it to Nintendo. Communisms "everything belongs to the collective" idea wins again.
>American was able to legally steal the idea
described openBSD right there
Apparently there was no intellectual property rights in the USSR, everything was basically public domain. For example, even though Mikhail Kalashnakov invented the AK47 in 1947 he wasnt actually able to trademark his name until the 1990s. Now the Kalashnakov family sells all kind of product lines under their name, like vodka.
The Russian people took to free market capitalism very quickly after the soviet union fell. Its almost like nobody liked the whole communism thing and everyone only went along with it at gun point and when the government holding the gun went bankrupt the Russian people all immediantly forged their own path.
you're moronic
capitalism literally dropped life expectancy by 10 years in russia
crime instantly skyrocketed, social ills like familial abuse and child prostitution became common, and everyone except for a small group of people became poor as frick
how does the american state department get away with such blatant propaganda?
>how does the american state department get away with such blatant propaganda?
Because anything saying otherwise get cut from MSM media (it's not censorship tho, because of reasons) and from most of the net. Combine this with the American natural tendency to despise the truth and you'll get your answer.
>how does the american state department get away with such blatant propaganda?
Remember this: a lot of the very best Russian scientific and technical people got out (including changing their citizenship and so on). I know this to be true because I've met some of them. When the best leave, everyone else is slipping down (or is it that when stuff's going down, the best go if they can?).
Russia has huge problems, and they're not made easier by their kleptocratic oligarchy.
>capitalism is the only reason a failed state went to shit after it imploded
When putin came in and cleaned it all up and brought living standards finally to better than the USSR was he didn't bring back communism.
>blaming all of Russias hardships during the 1990s on capitalism instead of on Boris Yeltsin.
It is you who has fallen for propaganda my guy. But thanks for giving me a (You) anyways.
> believing communist stats
Santa Claus and Easter bunny would like to have a word with you.
Some communist stats were hilarious. They always had to show growth, even for a mostly saturated market, so they had to be inventive for the metrics.
So one state owned lamp factory decided to masuer sales by tons of metal used, which in turn meant lamps were getting bigger all the time. In the end the lamp fitting were so heavy they ripped themselves out of the ceiling and came crashing down, endangering the public. And yet, by communist statistic it was a roaring success.
>The Russian people took to free market capitalism very quickly
The Russian people had no say in the matter.
They went straight from communist dictatorship to oligarch dictatorship.
The same people who were in charge during communism are still in charge today.
Only difference is they no longer have to pretend to serve the people, they can just steal as much money as they want.
>was more free market capitalist back then
>was
>back then
this guy gets it
money doesn't buy innovation and research is cheap as chips.
>research is cheap as chips
Please tell us all more about your career as a researcher.
>money doesn't buy innovation
True, but the problem with the Soviet Union was that research was state funded and directed toward state goals, which wasnt always the direction that the research needed to go to be the best it could be. For example in the USSR if they were designing a targeting computer for the military once they got something that would work for their application they might say "good enough lets move on to something else now" whereas in the USA a private company might say "This works, lets introduce it to the market and start research on a more powerful version for next year". Its better to let researchers explore their own questions rather than have their direction dictated to them by a design bereau.
>lol no. it was simply a lack of man power and isolation. ussr was a tiny dwarf compared to a western global market's labor distribution, where countries with population of entire ussr were engaged in the production of very specialized commodities
The USSR was the second biggest economy in the world at the time Anon, only surpassed by the USA. The USSR was then what china is now and they were the ones actually introducing industry to China until their split in the 1960s.
>Can privately owned companies ignore EEO and other diversity/equal employment laws?
Not entirely but a private company has a lot more wiggle room than a company that operates off of congressional funding and is subject to congressional diversity initiatives in order to continue receiving said funding. Biden just passed a law mandating that all government contractors pay $15 for example. So if your company wants a gov contract you have to bump everyones pay up to $15 in order to get it. If you dont want a contract then you can still decide what you want to pay your employees.
It was mainly a problem of efficiency for the most part I think.
lol no. it was simply a lack of man power and isolation.
ussr was a tiny dwarf compared to a western global market's labor distribution, where countries with population of entire ussr were engaged in the production of very specialized commodities
The USSR had half of Europe and much of Asia, Africa + non-aligned countries to draw on for man- and brainpower and still couldn't advance past cloned MicroVAXen by the time the wall fell because their planning and bureaucratic bloat was hot garbage. Don't bother with this shitty excuse. Economies of scale mean nothing under socialism anyway.
Even small European countries left it's distinctive mark in technology.
Take Sweden, miniscule 10 millions pops country. Do you you know that basic steel making process (that is the basis of modern steel production, duh) is Sweden invention. Or take ubiquitous hydraulic pallet jack.
But what commie invention that went worldwide you can name? Gulag? Vodka? Mobile gas chambers?
>Mobile gas chambers?
Shame really.
>But what commie invention that went worldwide you can name? Gulag? Vodka? Mobile gas chambers?
Satellites
Hall-effect thrusters
Multistage rockets
Grid-connected nuclear power plants
Fast-neutron reactors
Artificial heart
Ground-effect vehicles
AVL tree
Being honest, the USSR was more advanced than the US in most areas of knowledge. Even today Russia is still the only country to know how to produce Neon for cheap, for exemple.
I've heard that the cheap neon production is a result of the over-investment for the military space laser program that required a shitton of neon and failed to take off.
I don't know how the process was developed, but to this day only Russia and Ukraine have the knowledge of how to do this, it's somehow related with steel production, and people have been trying to replicate it for some decades without success.
Just look at insulin in the US, its production costs are the same of Yogurt, but someone it's sold at +$200 because someone has to profit. It's quite bizarre.
Well like I lurk this board right?
And I see people of different expertise all coming here and asking how they can quit their job to do web dev. Something that is saturated and I feel like it's no longer a net benefit to humanity from atleast this point forth.
I don't like it. I can speak on my mind can't I? It's just an opinion. Don't freak out gays. It doesn't help that people keep asking why questions. Why is this car company charging for heating the seat, why is this company doing this why this why that. Well because unregulated capitalism would be my guess.
I never went through a lolbert phase sorry.
>Satellites
Invented by Isaac Newton.
>Hall-effect thrusters
Invented in US, results published before Soviets launch thier first prototype 1971. Also US launched it's alternative ion engine in 1960
>Multistage rockets
Invented in China 1000 years ago, first "modern" multistage rocket launched in US 1948
And so on... What commies are good is make belief propaganda about how they were """best""" and """first""""
Europe was useless in the development of modern semiconductors.
Can privately owned companies ignore EEO and other diversity/equal employment laws? I was under the impression that this wasn't established in court
those should be a problem only if you make them one
I only plan to hire white christian men of good character
you can do that if you know the laws and can take advantage of the loopholes. of course you don't tell someone that you didn't hire them because they are a troony but it could very well be the real reason
I'm under the impression that outcomes driven lawsuits exist. For example, a company with only white men can be sued for only hiring white men
Dude nobody cares about you hiring white guys for your small construction company or whatever.
whiny c**ts.
Yes but only below I think 20 employees or something like that. You can probably pro strat it by making a new company every time you expand, and keeping the board of directors for all the companies a single overlooking company consisting of only the board.
Most of it can be ignored, but it'll be very hard to get loans with good conditions, investments, tax breaks, government benefits, and all sort of nice things. A good amount of it has already become law and cannot be ignored.
There is no large business without beaurcracy. zero
In the end of the day, big corps are basically states with the explict purpose of giving as many resources as possible to their rulers.
Because cybernetics, at least for a time, were literally declared to be pseudoscience like, for example, astrology. Later on this was done away with, but at least one generation of scientists working in related field was lost.
Later there was a push for a system that would actually be not unlike modern internet (think modern data harvesting bullshit, except its mandatory and gov. enforced), but this system also failed, although I dont quite remember why. But it did help in the long run, providing us with back bone to implement internet on, I think.
Because the USA and USSR/Russia have been secret allies since World War II and every bit of their rivalry is just skub to keep the plebs terrified while they jerk off and destroy the planet under pretense of having some "greater good"
>secret allies since World War II
They are open allies, have you heard of the UN?
Computers are hard, and things develop so fast in computing that if you start to fall behind it's very difficult to catch up. Look at China, they can't keep up with the current chip fabrication technologies despite putting a heavy focus on it. There are only a few companies on Earth that can keep up, and it's very possible for them to fall behind if they make one bad move. Take Intel for example. They fumbled their 7nm chip launch and it has put them years behind their competitors. These technologies cost many billions to develop, you can't afford to miss more than a couple of times before you are left in the dust and bankrupt. Same with GlobalFoundries, they have given up their dreams of 7nm fabrication at a cost to them of billions. Even their current best nodes are licensed from Samsung.
Literally 3 companies are at the cutting edge of computer chip fabrication. SMIC in China is approaching, but still behind. Samsung, Intel, and TSMC are the only companies that have been able to maintain the cutting edge. I'm not sure you can pin any failings on the Soviets for falling behind in computing. Western Europe failed, Japan and India too. The Soviets bungled a lot of things through their terrible economic system, but they probably just got unlucky with computers like most nations did.
the EU is working back on it though
So is Japan, and India, and Australia. I wish them luck. Time will tell. With the US government threatening to inject over 50 billion dollars into their own chip fabs, I suspect most others will struggle to keep up.
>the EU is working back on it though
Not really. That is only about pumping vast sums into mostly French companies.
I was working on some pan-European projects back when I was more naive. It was rotten to the core, advanced fraud from day one.
So nothing will ever come out of this.
They didnt have enough money at the end while the US had a fricking ton of shekels from Latinoamerica and Europe
>take a look at chyna
The country that was basically Peru 30 years ago? How can westoids compare a country that is blooming against a consolidated one?
USA also had waves of "immigrant scientists" because euros were rebuilding their countries
You mentioned Japan and it's a mystery for me.
Until the middle of 90's Japan used to manufacture good computers. But after 1995, they never touch the domestic computer market. Of course they still make high end technology but only for health or research
>Look at China, they can't keep up with the current chip fabrication technologies despite putting a heavy focus on it.
Because ASML is banned from selling their EUV lithography machines to China.
And ASML is the only company that can make EUV lithography machines.
Without EUV you're essentially stuck at 10-14nm.
China is actually doing amazing things with immersion lithography.
To the point where America is now trying to retroactively ban China from using immersion lithography, a decades old technology.
>Because ASML is banned from selling their EUV lithography machines to China.
>And ASML is the only company that can make EUV lithography machines.
Because the EUV light source/laser comes from the (formerly) US glowie company, Cymer, which was purchased by ASML for their EUV light source. The entire EUV toolchain is heavily american. ASML's advanced robotics and automation R&D labs are also in America. America doesn't control ASML for no reason.
>Japan
Watch this:
>TL;DW -> America purposely destroyed the computer industry in Japan
It was decided that USSR must follow whatever the west was doing at the time rather than pursuing it's own direction in computing tech.
So we had a situation where engineers were basically spending all their time reverse-engineering samples of western computers.
Keeping up with anything by just reversing whatever the other side is doing is incredibly time-consuming, especially when you are embargo'd from getting samples the easy way.
The result is a losing-race against incredibly quickly developing field.
I think that it was an act of intentional sabotage.
>It was decided that USSR must follow whatever the west was doing at the time rather than pursuing it's own direction in computing tech.
That was case of all Soviet industries. If you you want to find copycats just follow industrial standards. Do you know communist screw type or resistor package going worldwide? Nope. All soviets GOST (government industrial standards) are copies from DIN and others.
I expect all the posts in this thread to be very high-quality and non-political.
centrally planned economies don't do well in emergent industries
Just watch whatever video that thumbnail is from it will probably tell you
> why did soviet computers fail
> as he steals the thumbnail from the video that EXPLAINS HOW THEY FAILED
you really are the dumbest of dumbfrick Black folk i've seen on this board so far today.
good post
they didn't have human capabilities to develop their machines.
but the ternary computer was a great idea (still is)
I'm not going to watch your stupid video, frick off.
PRAVETZ COMPUTERS NUMBA ONE
>Decatlon
>Loses the first six sports
>Win the seventh
>Loses the others
>"Akcuatlly decatlon only has one sport, and it's the 7th, sooooo, we won"
I guess this is the only American can ever "win" anything.
There's only one finish lane slavshit
unwilling to make the capital investments every two years
Put too much focus on tubes, and collapsed in the middle of the transition to semi-conductors. It'd be interesting how Soviet computing would develop in the 90s, just as it's interesting to see Chinese computing developments.
>Have 7 laps
No anon, after the moon landing and the manned moon landing, there were landings on Mars and Venus, passbys on distant planets, space stations with evergrowing missions times...
It's just that Americans pretend the only thing they ever managed to not be second is the only one that matters, that's why China has three space stations despite starting far later while the US still only have a single one.
>draw random line
>step over it
>claim you won some race
everybody else: what race?
>the race! the race! we won it!
everybody else: there was a race? who was in it?
>you were in it! you lost! you were totally part of my imaginary race and not just minding your own business it's not faaaaaaair!!!! BWHAAAA BWHAAA!!
>everybody else: what race?
You wrote something wrong, it's:
>draw random milestone you know others are not trying to cross
The US only set "man on moon" as their marketing goal because the Soviet program at the time was focusing on unmanned probes, and they knew without competition they finally had a chance.
Stalin was a dumb homosexual who made science into a literal sociopolitical bullshit institution. It took a long time for communist scientists to even admit that gene theory is real and grafting proved it.
Lysenkoism.
Russians are asiatic vermin without any bug people virtues like team playing or self-sacrifice or wisdom. The most famous Russians wrote about how horrid it is to be one, usually after exile.
Soviets failed at everything.
Those are women in a laundromat. Of course they'd fail.
moronic central planning decisions
they literally didn't think digital computing with tubes was the way to go at first too
Heavy-handed, non-technical and politically motivated bureaucrats didn't give a shit about it and ultimately thought letting the west define standards for them was easier.
centrally steered economy has no real need for computers, steel plants still produce steel for tanks, coal mines still dig up coal, oil rigs still pump up oil
rest was irrelevant for soviet industry, like anybody cared about consumer good or drivel like that
Elbrus is very interesting actually.
They were more into reliability than speed, but Western consumers are more into speed than reliability.
is that a real and working thing?
Yes, it is a mechanical clockwork used in Soviet space capsules.
That's a meme
It used to be that the USSR used to make trash and the us quality products
They won WWII by churning out trash tanks and proceeded to make more trash
Then the USSR fell and everyone else started making trash
Their philosophy was very different, they chose the simplest solution that did the job, and nothing beyond that. The US was a bit too fond of bells and whistles. That is why Skylab fell, the shuttles failed, yet Mir had to be forced down.
Yes, USSR and Russia has made a lot of junk but let us not fall into the age old trap of underestimating the enemy. They had very limited access to equipment but had very good theoreticians and mathematicians. So they made jet fighters with good aerodynamics but poor power plants.
I just looked up a sovuet het
Says number built 1300 oft the ys probably built way more than that
Look up us hornet or whatever built around the same year 183 built
Hm...
Oh well they should have spent more on food instead of making so many jets i guess
Mir needed regular boosts from resupply vessels just like Skylab did.
>oh, you spent 3 years designing and testing a completely indigenous architecture that works? sorry, some Minelektronprom ghoul thought the PDP-11 was kinda cool so you're gonna make that instead
many such cases
the fricking morons in here whining about DIE while stanning the ultimate Human Resources Occupied Government are so hilarious it's sad
I mean im not saying communism is it but the free market might not be it either cause like you guys say, they got ads on androids lockscreens, charge you fir car seating and fuse your ram and stuff.
So yeah something more like this majes more sense to me
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme
having a government that actually governs is not a dichotomy, you just have to work towards such a goal instead of whining on IQfy and linking to wikipedia articles full of gay french words
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme
We have plenty of that in most West European social democratic countries, wher eit is increasingly hard to slip that cigarette paper in between the state on big companies, that tend to be filled up with loyal party members of the leading socialist party of the country.
And it does not work. It is hardly as if space is filled up with West European space stations, but man, we sure have a lot of reviews on such projects. That is all they can deliver.
Europe is not even bad but more like just the restricting on what people can invest in and sensible regulations is all, like if there ought to be subsidies just like subsidies to bootstrap businesses not have it be a permanent thing and fill the corporations ranks with party members and what not. I mean just a thought, thought.
I tried but cannot really parse all you wrote.
Anyway, I agree there are sane regulations, but the way things are here we are neep in the Dutch disease with truly massive government organisations that empliy about half the workforce and consider themselves worthy of special privileges and large salaries. These Ark B candidates produce only hot air and "important" reports but nothing ever comes out of it. It is like old men celebrating their impotence.
Well when I said restricting the market and boostraping new businesses I don't some small business loan subsidies or
the sec is doing a poor job. I mean they are but I mean the idea would be for the government to, direct, the market by doing that. For the president to say we're not going to be investing on crypto, software or internet stuff anymore. No, were going to focus on new technology that's not related to that and you're no longer allowed to invest in new start ups related to the old stuff. Not a managing the economy, just setting the direction of the economy. The subsidized loans would be given to start ups that follow the national plan. There would be new businesses that would compete against each other but based on the direction set by the government. Well that's what my impression of what dirigisme means as opposed to state capitalism.
>Why Did Soviet Computers Fail?
Because they weren't stable enough. Their bases were small and badly shaped, and it was very easy for their center of mass to fall outside them, especially considering how wobbly they were.
Also, the rooms they were in were often messy and full of stuff on the ground, making it very easy for them to trip over when moved.
Poor management over their transition into Capitalism and subsequent Brain Drain, Russia is not a successful country, even the street shitters and Brazil have higher GDP. Go to Eastern Europe and walk around.
Soviet Union had top-tier researchers and engineers, the problem was their manufacturing and quality control sucked dick.
Even though they excelled in natural sciences, very little of that could be applied to real products because they just couldn't make them reliably and in the necessary volumes.
After some time they resigned to making shittier copies of stolen western chips.
Wokeism. Not the trotskyist version though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_economy
The main market of western computer was financial institution like banks
I dont think the soviets had a stock market or personal banking so outside of goverment and academia they really had no need for computers
They had the idea of start to fully automate the economy in the late 60s, but there were not enough resources for this as the militar was consuming a nice 50% of the industrial output.
i asked once why russia has no hardware industry and i got like 3 replies. i fricking hate you guys so much
there's only like 3 serious replies in this thread anyways homo
Because it focused too much on tubes and USSR collapsed in the middle of the processed of moving to semi-conductors. Next to the end Soviet computers were getting better fast, but it'd still need a couple of decades to catch the west.
It's the position China was a couple of decades ago, now their computers are better than western made ones.
Well first of all, those are washing machines.
Because by the time computers as we know them today were being developed, USSR was already in state of decay.
Western computers competed by scale, and that could only be done with capitalism. Companies did a ton of the research, and advancement. They did get a lot of government money, but more often in the forms of contracts to make some new thing that didn't exist. They then turned around and sold commercial versions of those products wherever they could. That loop kept going, and they kept improving, while lowering cost and production overhead. You can't do that in communism, where the government does it all.
Now explain Chinese state companies can make chips with smaller nm measures than American companies. And buying it from Taiwan doesn't count as producing, I mean actually producing the chips.
>Now explain Chinese state companies can make chips with smaller nm measures than American companies
Because a bunch of jackasses with MBAs outsourced all the production to china, where they stole it. This is well known ancient history. Also they can't actually make smaller nm, and so far all their domestic "super-computers" were only powered on for press-releases. They don't actually work. Give them some time to steal more IP from the US and Korea.
name 1 (one) chinese (mainland) foundry able to make <16nm chips
SMIC
>Because a bunch of jackasses with MBAs outsourced all the production to china
No anon, this is not true. It was exported to Taiwan and SK, with rights to tech transference, and tech on these countries developed beyond what was transfered decades ago; China never got some "American superior chip", it developed from the scratch and now surpassed the US on this.
SMIC
>it developed from the scratch and now surpassed the US on this
China hasn't developed a new technology since the bottle rocket.
>China hasn't developed a new technology since the bottle rocket.
Repeating a slogan will not magically make it true, China was the first to developed hypersonics gliding vehicles without copying, specially not Americans that just failed their 5th test.
So are you paid in RMB, or do you just get an increase in your social credit score for this bullshit?
>Everyone who doesn't play pretend with me is a Chinese shill.
You can call what I said bullshit, but you cannot call it a lie. Who China copied when it was the first country to developed HGV?
>Who China copied when it was the first country to developed HGV?
First, they didn't. HGVs were based on 1940s german designs that were copied by the soviets and the US. Both countries studied them and made functional prototypes, with the US focusing primarily on crew vehicles. In the 1960s.
The soviets only bothered to work on them for missiles to circumvent very specific international treaties, and took what appears to be an old design out of mothballs, and updated it, before showing that it made one in 2018, probably when they found out their good friends in china stole the plans. The cheap Chinese knockoff of that was released in 2019. Frick, even north korea has made one. It's not exactly cutting edge. Literally 1960s. You twit.
So you are paid in sheckels by JIDF? See how moronic your strawman arguments sound?
>Now explain Chinese state companies can make chips with smaller nm measures than American companies.
Source? Or did you confuse PRC with ROC?
>outsourced all the production to china, where they stole it
Old nodes are available to China, but tell be what sub 10 nm nodes they have.
>www.google.com
>PRC 7mm
>First result
>https://www.eetimes.com/smic-graduating-from-14nm-to-something-sort-of-akin-to-7nm/
Aren't you confusing PRC with that strawman country Americans see on their media?
And first line:
>Published reports that SMIC is preparing a 7-nanometer production process are incorrect.
Because in socialism things were supposed to be HUGE. No push for miniaturisation, no minicomputers.
They made less computers than the West and lost the economies of scale.
they didn't fail, they just didn't waste money on consumer shit like the west did
the USSR was actually ahead until the IC was invented
The duality of man.
Because the state imploded, and contrary to what you redditors believe, it takes 90% of government funding to advance R&D. In capitalist russia there was problems getting food, so all the scientists brain-drained to western companies.
Strangely around this same time computers saw their biggest growth and became consumer goods...