Ever been in the military, or know anyone who has? That's the perspective on offer. Heinlein posits a radically restructured society, with a starkly different definition of citizenship than any system extant on Earth.
>Boring
If you're already living in the ST universe as a non-citizen, THEN you can be bored via familiarity. This novel is effervescent with ideas, many of which have come true or are in-process (e.g., powered suits for infantry). If the virtue of science lies in it's ability to predict, then Hugos emerge from the convincing predictions of the authors.
>That's the perspective on offer.
I get the impression the author definitely loves the military but I also get the impression he didn't join or see combat.
He was a naval officer, made lieutenant before getting tuberculosis and a medical discharge. Don't know about the combat aspect but you're probably right about that.
Yeah I just checked out his Wikipedia, and no combat, closest he got was a gunner on a transport in peacetime . He also got into the academy because of the Democrats corruption in Kansas City, Missouri at the time, so he basically got his commission through corruption.
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>because of the Democrats corruption in Kansas City, Missouri at the time
I used to know an old-timer who grew up in that time and place. He passed away nearly a decade ago. But he has this story that he'd tell over and over again, the way old folks do, about how the union men came and threatened his father that they'd burn his house down if he didn't vote Democrat.
Incidentally, Heinlein writes about that corruption, with a few details changed but the place and time intact, in at least one of his later books. Might have been Friday.
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Yeah a 100% voting rate is generally a very vicious form of fraud. Normally you only get that turn out rate in dictatorships, because even places that fine you for not voting can't garner a full turn out.
To be fair, if you change all the lectures to powerpoints, it's got a lot of realism. But yeah, I don't think the author knew shit about wartime army. But he might have been through basic in peacetime because of the repeating lectures.
He says the space navy in ttne movie is modelled on Star turek because there wasn't a structure in the book for it, but Star Trek's based on the real navy too. Idk if the writers/director just took it from Star Trek, but it's just getting the navy structure with an extra step if so.
Heilein just jerks off officers to an embarrassing degree. I read ST when I was in the army, I wasn't a fan but I lent it to my med officer when I was done, unsurprisingly he loved it.
It was what they had at the time.
Rough.
>Why did this win the Hugo?
you're gonna have that reaction to half of the hugos
Especially 1999 onwards
read one of the few Hugo's worth reading
GOAT
I liked the movie much more than I liked the book
The movie is a reddit parody
Yeah but it had guns and big bugs and hot chicks and cool sequences
My favorite part of the book is that rico never seems to understand any of the political rants he hears. He just accepts them and moves on.
>It is very boring.
That's all literature.
Not true
>every novel is secretly a series of civics classes
This belief explains a lot of the non-readers on this board I think
Never change, IQfy.
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Ever been in the military, or know anyone who has? That's the perspective on offer. Heinlein posits a radically restructured society, with a starkly different definition of citizenship than any system extant on Earth.
>Boring
If you're already living in the ST universe as a non-citizen, THEN you can be bored via familiarity. This novel is effervescent with ideas, many of which have come true or are in-process (e.g., powered suits for infantry). If the virtue of science lies in it's ability to predict, then Hugos emerge from the convincing predictions of the authors.
>Effervescent with ideas
>Proceeds to use wrong its
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>it's ability to predict
Should have been
>its
How's that again?
>That's the perspective on offer.
I get the impression the author definitely loves the military but I also get the impression he didn't join or see combat.
He was a naval officer, made lieutenant before getting tuberculosis and a medical discharge. Don't know about the combat aspect but you're probably right about that.
Yeah I just checked out his Wikipedia, and no combat, closest he got was a gunner on a transport in peacetime . He also got into the academy because of the Democrats corruption in Kansas City, Missouri at the time, so he basically got his commission through corruption.
>because of the Democrats corruption in Kansas City, Missouri at the time
I used to know an old-timer who grew up in that time and place. He passed away nearly a decade ago. But he has this story that he'd tell over and over again, the way old folks do, about how the union men came and threatened his father that they'd burn his house down if he didn't vote Democrat.
Incidentally, Heinlein writes about that corruption, with a few details changed but the place and time intact, in at least one of his later books. Might have been Friday.
Yeah a 100% voting rate is generally a very vicious form of fraud. Normally you only get that turn out rate in dictatorships, because even places that fine you for not voting can't garner a full turn out.
Heinlein's portrayal of the military is idealised, and worlds away from the inefficient, compromised, bureaucratic monster it really is.
To be fair, if you change all the lectures to powerpoints, it's got a lot of realism. But yeah, I don't think the author knew shit about wartime army. But he might have been through basic in peacetime because of the repeating lectures.
He says the space navy in ttne movie is modelled on Star turek because there wasn't a structure in the book for it, but Star Trek's based on the real navy too. Idk if the writers/director just took it from Star Trek, but it's just getting the navy structure with an extra step if so.
Lol autocorrect spazzed out a bit there.
>the* movie
>Star Trek*
Heilein just jerks off officers to an embarrassing degree. I read ST when I was in the army, I wasn't a fan but I lent it to my med officer when I was done, unsurprisingly he loved it.
one of my favorite books. i found it in a .txt and its so good I read it in notepad.
Why not any other file format anon
YWNBAR starship trooper
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