Why didn’t he just refuse to resign?
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Why didn’t he just refuse to resign?
Why didn’t he just refuse to resign?
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He knew he'd be pardoned if he went down quietly.
He had no guarantee Ford would pardon him before resigning
>and try to use him to destroy the republican party
The Dems should have. The rot of Nixonian politics had spread all the way down to the states
because he realized he'd be wasting time and they'd crucify him and try to use him to destroy the republican party because they're bloodthirsty vampires
>implies the whole deal wasnt orchestrated by rockefeller people
because he would have been impeached and thrown out of office. He got fair and square committing a crime (obstruction of justice via the coverup); and America was still a country where those caught in the act paid the consequences; even if they were on "our side".
So the republican support; which had been heavy even up to the moment of the SCOTUS decision; evaporated as people found him on tape committing the act in question.
Could he have pardoned himself?
the media wanted him dead and had for a long time, he realized their hate for him would destroy his own party so he resigned
Yes and no. He probably would have been able to pardon himself (the constitution is silent on such obvious moral wrongs); but the act of pardoning himself would probably constitute another obstruction of justice charge.
SCOTUS has never ruled on the subject, but the prevailing legal opinion, then as now, is that the answer is "no".
It's a moot point because DoJ policy is not to charge a sitting president, so there would be nothing for him to pardon
do you know how an impeachment trial works? DoJ is irrelevant.
Impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding, there is no pardon
2 different things
impeachment is a constitutional procedure administered by Congress
DoJ brings criminal charges, which is where a pardon would be applicable.
They might have charged him after he left office, he could give himself a blanket pardon for all things related to watergate preemptively but like
and
said it wouldn't stop an impeachment from Congress
Yes, the president can legally pardon himself of charges on a federal level but it would look very bad and would be the end of your political career.
It is important to remember that from 1930-1994, Republicans only had control of the Congress 4 fricking times. So Democrats basically wrote the entire law book in the 20th century. Despite being a Republican President, he had virtually no support in the Congress
>he had virtually no support in the Congress
Should have done more to support his own party in ‘70 or ‘72 then. In ‘72 the Republicans gave him shit for his landslide win against the easy opponent ever while the GOP picked up all of 12 seats in the House and lost 2 in the Senate
But that comes as no surprise when you that Nixon didn’t care about anyone but himself and his own megalomaniac grabbing of power
I disagree. While Nixon was always going to win against that hopelessly failed McGovern campaign; the landslide came about because the Democrats, misreading the sleeper issue of the election; doubled down on the wrong side at their convention.
By August of 72, the white house was getting complaints that the President wasn't allowing enough times for dems to be seen in public with him.
Its a fascinating understory to the 1972 election. Nixon spotted the problem a year earlier; and held (against the constant advice of his team) on an obscure position; which would eventually be the only one above water.
When the shit hit the fan, just before the election, you had the governor of one state warning the president that it was still too hot to come into the state, that he couldn't guarantee security; while also asking if he could tell the people of the state that he had talked to the president about the issue.
He did literally nothing wrong, he was trying to save America from the commies
Thats why he sold us to the Chinese?
that was clinton
>Reagan and Nixon dindu nuffin
Sure, pal.
>I'm black and the only reason the world sucks and I'm not getting more welfare is because of conservatives
don't make me put on a pillowcase with eyeholes and make you shit yourself
Nice, argument.
Isn't that all you think of all the time though? How everything wrong historically is because of conservatives because otherwise you'd get more welfare?
I'm not black, stormgay.
answer the question, you hate conservatives because otherwise you'd get more welfare right?
"Conservatives" like Nixon and Reagan are just as culpable as Clinton. You seem to have fallen for the bipartisan bullshit that has been used to sell this nation out for the past sixty years.
mutt
I guarantee that this poster is a Brazilian/Mexican mutt
post hand
Even LBJ was dipping his foot in the waters of normalizing relations with China, and both Humphrey and Rockefeller campaigned on normalising relations with China in 1968; I know IQfy can be overrun with map-painting autists at times but the world isn't a Paradox game where you can just ignore the country that controls 1/5th of Asia's landmass until you're ready to blob because the AI is moronic. Blaming Nixon for two decades of political apathy towards the growing economic development of China is fricking moronic
lbjgay wouldn't know geopolitics if it fricked him in the ass like his estranged uncle
Based take. IQfy will forever seethe over China’s rise as if it wasn’t inevitable and exactly the same process that every major European country (and the US) went through
>posts about china
>nobody talks about china
>hurr durr based take IQfy seethe about china
are you samegayging again? or just replying to anybody not dunking on you
>are you samegayging again?
>90 posts
>26 posters
all signs point to yes
The frick are you talking about, buck-brokengay?
>wins in a landslide
>still has to cheat
he was insecure beta
That was the democrat narrative, which is hilarious when the democrats stole the election from him with Kennedy
Technically... no one knew it was going to be a landslide until the campaign was nearly over. Up until then, it was Nixon paying hardball just the way that everyone did at the time.
That included, what was known at the time as "rat fricking"; where you just screw with other campaigns for the hell of it...
> canceling their hall rentals
> fricking with the AC in their hotels.
I don't think Nixon ever admitted that he ordered watergate. It's entirely possible that spooks fricked with elections back then and they managed to make it look like nixon did it
that was the lesson from the time. Nixon wasn't guilty of the breakin. It was the covering up that was the crime. To paraphrase a member of congress at the time.
> when told of these crimes, the President should have said "how dare you, get out of this office and never come back". But he didn't, he covered it up
> messing with elections
Joe Kennedy used to say "I want jack to win, but I'll be damned if I'm paying for a landslide"
>Nixon wasn't guilty of the breakin
it's still heavily implied to this day that he did it despite nobody ever saying he did which is weird.
Because he didn't. Even people Nixon fricked over completely never said he did it. He never ordered it. If Nixon had owned up to it all and fired everyone involved in October 72, his administration would have had a period of chaos but he'd still win against Mcgovern (maybe slightly fewer states) and make a new cabinet.
Nixon still would have struggled due to Israeli war/oil embargo anyway.
He absolutely approved the break-in of Dr Feldings office during the Pentagon papers investigation; (which, see end of comment, plays into it)
Presidents, at least then, operated under a force of "willful ignorance" where they want things done; but intentionally don't what to know how. In this way, they can be clearly on the side of the law; while others do the dirty work; with the knowledge that if they get caught it doesn't go up the chain.
The frickup (the big one) was that they used the same crew for everything. So when the watergate burglars got caught; one of them (hunt), led back straight to the white house and straight to all of the other operations.
In the tapes, there is (I think) a moment when HRH finally spells out the hunt connection; and you hear nixon:...
Well...I didn't.... well....... frick.... well, that's an entirely different situation we have here Bob.
he basically realized that he was stuck on just enough of the wrong side in the past to be toast.
>In the tapes, there is (I think) a moment when HRH finally spells out the hunt connection
Can confirm this
Nixon tried to cover it up because he knew he was absolutely fricked and had no way out. He acted very suicidal during the last days of his presidency once the lid had been blown off
Why’d he try and cover it up then?
he didn't really do much at all really, that's why they had to get him on a recording
>didn’t do much at all
>literally tried to get his CIA cronies to stop the FBI’s investigation
moron alert
The busing scandal is only piece of the puzzle. McGovern’s nomination came down to Musky dropping out, everyone hating Humphrey’s guts as the worthless piece of shit he was, and McGovern becoming the Hilary of his day. Hunter S. Thompson detailed how everyone who was anti-Nixon (himself included) banked on McGovern out of desperation and literally deluded themselves so hard into thinking he had a chance they were actually shocked by how hard he lost
history is a flat circle
You want history as a flat circle, here's the QRD on 1837-45 in most midwestern states...
> 1836, young people with big ideas arrive. Want to replicate the success of the Erie Canal
> 1837.. borrow a shit ton of money to build internal improvements, based on the believe that their fees would pay for the cost of construction
> never plan for the interest cost while it's being built (canals only starting to earn money when they are finished
> panic of 1937 hits; and states lose their credit
> double down, insisting that moving forward is the only way out
> get caught on that when massive fraud and overspending is discovered; proving it is financially impossible to complete any of it
> leaders blame the other side, and turn it into a political campaign
> see image for ad volunteering to take money from already-failed banks rather than admit they were wrong
> 1838 election comes, and they're swept from power
> investigations, etc
> Destroys entire generation of political types forever
>Want to replicate the success of the Erie Canal
VGH, what could have been in 1812
My current research is on a pair of brothers who were pretty much at the center of all of it in one state. In fitting them into to all; I am able to tell the larger story of their generation.
It's a great story. That generation marched out of Michigan together as young men to do war with Ohio; and as they years went on; they rose together to take over the state.
The Toledo War is a joke history; but the people who served were governors, supreme court judges; business leaders; bankers; most of the future state legislature.
Based
>muh LBJgay
Buck. Broken.
It's hilarious because you're so moronic, like legitimately 85 IQ, and watching your snail pace intellectual development is amusing.
Honk honk, b***h
How does it feel knowing you will never be intelligent
How does it feel having someone from a Vietnamese ladyboy forum live rent free in your head?
What thread was it that I BTFO’d you so hard you became obsessed with me? Or do you think IQfy is your own personal sandbox and hate that I keep kicking over your sand castles?
didn't read lol
You’re such a little coward of a homosexual lmfao
and you're a black person
There it is. Mutt’s law
>LBJgay worshipping clinton because he was a borderline socialist
kek, never gets old
I'm not sure if it's unfair to raise McGovern to a Hillary Clinton level. She lost because her base fricked up and all played hooky on the same day. In the case of McGovern; it was more along the lines of Biden; giving too much voice to the young radicals in the name of inclusiveness; while expecting it would just work by magic.
Not to mention, McGovern's own judgment called into question over the unforced error on the VP selection.
Meanwhile, the 70's version of the Bernie supporters were the Gen McCarthy crowd; and they (like now) were given far too much power for such untested and groundless policies.
Hillary ignoring the blue collar Democratic base and trying to win solely on the strength of Hollywood backing and Trump hatred does have some similarity to McGovern. It is true, though, that McGovern was mainly stupid while Hillary is legitimately an evil, repulsive person.
correct, nixon didn't do much
He didn't cheat though.
I know almost nothing about this man, but the sheer amount of seethe he generates means he was probably very based
Absolutely filtered
Kennedy and Papa Joe stole the election, not the Dems as a party. And Nixon pulled off such close loss because he too had mob connections pulling strings for him. Why do you think he refused to contest it? The “sake of the country”? Lmfao yeah right he knew if he did he would be caught with his hands just as red as Kennedy’s were
USA is really doomed when people start defending NIxon because they dislike dementia man
Name 1 (one) thing he did wrong.
are you 12 years old
Nixon is the type of politician you like more the more you read though.
Based take, even if it is just mostly reactionary morons on here desperate as ever to suck the dick of the “other guy”
Nixon was also clearly autistic so god know he resonates with a good chunk of IQfy
>people defend Nixon because they hate Biden
Autism or did your prescription run out?
He had no allies; he had alienated everyone around him and his own mistakes crippled his base of support.
That's why conservative news exists; they literally reassessed what happened after the fact and decided they need to inoculate their voters from inconvenient truths.
>That's why conservative news exists; they literally reassessed what happened after the fact and decided they need to inoculate their voters from inconvenient truths.
Highly understated aspect of the post-Nixon US
thanks for correcting the record
You're welcome.
was his casket really 3 miles long?
It was a different time when we weren't so okay with blatant corruption. They would have made an example of him.