Why do atheists think Christianity was such a huge departure from classical greco roman values when we know Christianity is the culmination or synergy between Greek philosophy (Plato and Aristotle and Neoplatonics) and Judaism, in my eyes, Christianity is actually the continuation of the classic ethos of absolute truth and platonism against postmodernism and relativism.
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No… Christianity is the mysthicism degeneration of Greek philosophy, like Platonism on steroids. And thankfuly Greek philosophy didn’t start or end with Platonism.
Cope plato is the king of philosophy
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He is doe
No, not really. Its work is very interesting as literature to understand the ancient Greek world and especially Athens, but his philosopy is often mysthicism masked as philosophy, and then there's Christianity that is just plain mysthicism; and even Neoplatonists like Plotinus refuted Christianity and despised it anyway.
Oops it was Plotinus' pupil Porphiry that refuted Christianity, still, close enough, another famous Neoplatonist.
No
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Plato is overrated
Frick off, Socrates (read: Plato) killed Greek philosophy. Everything after Socrates was just brainless idealism and scepticism
It isn't. That's just christoisraeli appropriation of superior gentile culture.
>the continuation of the classic ethos of absolute truth and platonism
that would be gnosticism which the ~~*church*~~ exterminated
>Christianity is actually the continuation of the classic ethos of absolute truth and platonism against postmodernism and relativism.
Atheist here
I agree with that assessment bar idk what the frick you mean by putting postmodernism in an ancient context.
IIRC its the Christians that think Jesus invented the concept of charity.
In reality charity was common in the ancient world and got more common with the Romans.
Thats what made Christianity so successful, it presented a value system the Romans were already familiar with but made it seem revolutionary.
OP here, glad you agree.
Platonism for the Masses
>"Why do atheists think [bullshit claim]?"
can you, perhaps, try to start a thread without it dripping of dishonesty?
Atheists have very little knowledge of history. They have no idea that Christianity won out against Paganism precisely because intelligent and powerful Romans converted. Really, you can trace the origin of Christianity to Philo whose whole mission was to interpret the Old Testament in light of Plato. I actually believe personally that Philo is in some mysterious way responsible for the Gospels, either himself or his acolytes
this semetic Black person bullshit sent white civilization into dark ages for 1500 years
we would've had computers in 600AD if original system had continued
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Only the Pre-Socratics were culturally Greek. Socrates was the beginning of the departure, hence why the Greeks had him executed.
There's nothing Platonic or Neo-Platonic about Christianity. Platonists were cursed in the 7th Council and still proclaimed in anathemas to this day in Orthodox processions whenever a bishop comes to a church.
Logos was an Israelite concept first and foremost. Going all the way back to Genesis even with the Theophanies of the Angel of the Lord. Logos is just the best equivalent. John was a fisherman of the Galilee. Not some Hellenist. He would have first used what the Targums used in Aramaic: The Memra. The Word. It's later Gnostics and patristic writers who weren't from Palestine and lost any connection to this and started bringing in other concepts of the Logos later.
I thought that the common Christian view was that Christianity totally departed from the barbaric days before or something like that, while the first half of your post is more akin to what a lot of atheists believe...
Christianity come about centuries after the days of plato and Aristotle. If anything Christianity is a Persian-Roman synthesis religion, where the cults of the late empire like Sol Invictus and Mythras combine with the Christ cult.