Why do christians say free will exists when no one on earth got born with his permission
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Why do christians say free will exists when no one on earth got born with his permission
Why do Christians say free will exist when countless people lived either before Jesus or far away from Christian societies?
what do those two things have to do with each other
The common factor is free will.
What free will do you have to get saved if you cannot even read a Bible or walk into a ch
urch?
Then it depends on a missionary coming to you.
>can't read or walk to church
Nothing is preventing that.
>born with permission
If life is bad you have free will to have a nice day antinatalist.
Non sequiteur
It is the ultimate refute to antinatalism. Any living antinatalist is simply a hypocrite. If life is bad as they claim why are they still alive?
No, you are just stupid and don't know what tu quoque is. I for one would never have children nor would I kill myself because I believe in the concept of eternal conscious torment or at least that it's not impossible nor improbable.
Albeit you're right about atheistic "child-free" people; they are just a bunch of whiners. If I were an atheist I would tell antinatalists to grow a pair, but probably not to kill themselves because that's, as I mentioned, a fallacy.
If you love life so much, why do you spend a third of it working and another third sleeping?
Because sleep and work is part of life and living you moron.
>fallacy
It isn't. If life is bad there is an easy way to leave.
It's called appeal to hypocrisy. How would you know in 10 years if you weren't just talking to an antinatalist bot I sicced on this forum to annoy breeders with antinatalist rhetoric? Okay so then what do you do, tell the bot to kill itself, it has no notion of suicide? See the problem? You're just a butthurt loser who wants to dismiss the argument by eliminating all the people who hold to it. So yeah, appeal to hypocrisy and genetic fallacy.
You're so precious that you think consciousness just ceases after death. Schopenhauer wasn't cynical enough. Once you have an agent, they are removed from the covert of nonexistence and can be perpetuated endlessly.
>if life isn't perfect it isn't worth living
Boo hoo, go and better yourself, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work.
I don't have to, I got sxhizobucks so I can dedicate all my time to making music.
>music
Congrats your job is taken by ai
It's not a Job, just a way to commune with the Almighty
>Once you have an agent, they are removed from the covert of nonexistence and can be perpetuated endlessly
Cool. Got any evidence of this?
I do. Golf, traveling, rock climbing, and several others. The beauty about free will is that I don't need to live by your standards. I am content with my life. Why do I NEED to be a millionaire with a wife?
Exactly, why do I NEED to kill myself?
And go to hell? No thanks. What kind of psychopath are you?
>I hate the smell of dirty garbage
>so throw it away
>no let me hold it close and never let go
This is you. If life is so terrible why cling to it?
Why are you trying to get me to kill myself when you and I both know it doesn't do anything but lead to hell. Are you a psychopath? You need to repent!
Not good enough. You should be a multimillionaire Chad who travels the world with his wife, not a wagie. Do you even have any hobbies? Lol
Antinatalism is about the morality of bringing NEW life into the world, not about whether or not living people should prematurely kill themselves. It's a non sequitur, or at least a strawman.
a non-sequitur would be unrelated to your statement, this was related to your statement
sequiteur
complete garbage
Cope, seethe, and have a nice day since life is lebad
Life is not bad but the stakes of consciousness can get too high.
apparently you go to hell and hang from a giant tree with everyone else who opted out of their miserable existence
Based. Fear of hell or a bad afterlife should be the number one reason to be an antinatalist.
The thread is about free will not antinatalism
How can there be free will when someone else decides for you
You can freely choose to leave anytime you want.
Thats not what the thread is about, we're talking about the period prior to birth here
So you are taking about irrelevant information. You do not have a choice because (you) do not exist and are not entitled to choice. You only exist after you become conceived, then you get a choice. Leave or stay.
why doesnt god give you a choice before sending you here? Whats the point of free will if everything is decided by him
Please explain how you could reject a choice to exist or not without already existing?
So at what point does my free will take effect?
When you become cognitive to understand your choices.
I am not the one saying life is shit and not worth living then complaining about staying alive.
What if I never reach that point?
Also, aren't choices predetermined. Meaning, If I was born to crackhead parents what choices do I actually have in life?
>aren't choices predetermined
Cope for people who don't truly want to change themselves. You want to better yourself? Put in work to do it.
Nonsequitur. Apologize to me and repent! Or you'll end up loving your life to a certain death. Jesus only ever describes this world as a cesspool run by satan beset with beguiling sin and says we must reckon ourselves dead to the world. The Noahide command has been fulfilled. Now we are facing the end and he says "woe to those who are with child and give suck in those days". Also I quite enjoy my quotidian life. People are more sophisticated than your four digit IQ imagines them to be. Also I never said that you have to commit suicide. You are a really evil person but I forgive you.
Double digit* excuse me
>Also I quite enjoy my quotidian life
So you admit life is worth living and God's gift of life deserves to be shared.
No, that does not follow. Life is like walking a tightrope over open flames and we all find various ways to distract ourselves to make it comfy, but the truth is we're just juggling all this stuff instead of focusing on something better namely paradise. You cannot deprive a nonentity of anything. I'll give you this, you're better at coming up with nonsequiturs than Cathy Newman.
Yeah I don't care about God or your fairy tales. Do you enjoy life yes or no.
I would love life more if I hated it more.
Contradiction much.
No because if life is bad like you claim you wouldn't want to live. Since you are alive that means life is inherently good at it is morally right to bring new life into this world.
>No because if life is bad like you claim you wouldn't want to live
It doesn't even have to be that. For all you know, the state pre-life is better than this life. You don't know if the life of your child will be WORSE than your life. And further, just because one manages to survive just fine, doesn't mean that you'd want another child to be brought into your situation. Should Indians keep breeding? I think not.
>Since you are alive that means life is inherently good at it is morally right to bring new life into this world.
Tautology. Just because you manage to live, or even you yourself have pleasure in life, it still doesn't track that you have the right to make another being subject to life here.
Can't answer the question? Too hard?
>NOOOOO! You can't just give me an answer I don't like!
Yes you can't give a wrong answer.
>You don't know if the life of your child will be WORSE than your life
The job of a parent is to give their child a better life to the best of their ability. NOT to be a helicopter parent making sure the child never gets a scratch.
>I have no right to make another life
Says who? According to "The Lord" he says to be fruitful and make babies. Me getting with a consenting woman is all I need to make another life. Like I said if life isn't worth living everyone has the ability to leave.
Do you not also have free will because you are forced to eat and breathe?
Their life literally depends on ignoring sunk cost fallacy.
You did. You just do not remember. You knew everything that would happen to you, and you chose to be born anyway. So yeah. Next question?
You're assuming free will includes the consent to be born, but the two are separate, unrelated concepts. In addition, it is impossible to give consent to the choice of existence without oneself already having existence. God has therefore chosen the present state as at least sufficient to His ends. Moreover, existence is a great gift, so a man of sound mind would rejoice at such an offer. Those who balk at existing are diseased and unwell, and should therefore seek the appropriate physician, in this case, a metaphysician. I recommend the services of St. Thomas Aquinas, who is an excellent Doctor. Though the very best is called by the name Jesus Christ.
Why do Christians say free will exists when 5% of humanity are constitutional psychopaths incapable of remorse, empathy or compassion?
What about David Wood? He became a Christian in spite of that
>no one on earth got born with his permission
Proofs? I'm pretty sure I consented to existing when God asked my soul after creating it if I wanted to be placed into a human body, but I have exceptionally keen memory. Maybe you just need to take some prevagen?
You deny Christ and made a choice of free will to be moronic
because your existence is the result of someone exercising free will