Write decent literary fiction and then ruin their chances of publishing it by putting it on Amazon? Literary fiction doesn't sell self-published. What are you guys doing?
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Publishers aren't interested in real literature anymore either. What then is one to do?
I dunno, anon, that just sounds like cope. I get that industry is mostly run by bipolar cat ladies, but you really couldn't find ONE small press to publish your book? I don't buy it.
Small press is the same thing. When was the last time you went into a bookstore and looked at new fiction that wasn't strongly advertised? When was the last time enough people did that to turn a profit from putting the book on the shelf?
>When was the last time you went into a bookstore and looked at new fiction that wasn't strongly advertised?
Everytime I go into the bookstore. Even the big chains have a bookshelf filled with relatively unknown new releases tucked away behind the tables filled with best sellers. The small local shops tend too specialize in the lesser known and keep best sellers to a minimum. This is more a problem with you than small presses.
if you're not famous and/or writing bestseller shit it's probably better to end up on a small niche press with a steady cult following than somehow getting published by a big house and falling thru the cracks because they genuinely have no idea how to market/promote people like you anymore. a literal who simply doesn't make it in this day and age, unless you have a history that normalgays find super fascinating (liberated homosexual raised in a weird sect, or a real tear-jerker of an immigrant story) and can slot into magazine profiles and target markets
>I have nothing to add but /misc/
Why post? All of the big publishers have imprints/divisions which they use for most everything that is not a flavor of the month or already established in some way.
Small publishers rarely take short stories, they at most publish anthologies which are made up of mostly stories which have already been printed or have won contests. The industry uses the journals and contests as a way to weed out the people who are just going through a writing phase; the vast majority of new authors make publishers no money for their first few books and publishers just hope to break even. You need to show them you are serious, start submitting and keep at it, they are not going to take that risk on you until you have demonstrated that you are going to stick to it because that is the only way they will make any money off of you.
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Completely meaningless from the standpoint of publication history.
Yeah, I submitted to Unreal Press to see if they had an upcoming anthology and was ghosted. Any suggestions for journals that lean towards IQfy?
You almost certainly will be ghosted from a journal taking open submissions for an anthology, those sorts of things only notify you if who are chosen; far too many submissions to deal with responding to them all since they will be dealing with all those on top of the normal submissions. For finding journals and contests you need to do the research, find the ones that do stuff of your ilk. I have no idea what you write and which journals/contests would be suitable for your work and can not really offer sane guidance. But, a little guidance;
The ones that are established and have been around for awhile are the quickest way in but have the most competition, these are the journals which agents and publishers read when scouting talent, these are the ones you should put your greatest effort on getting into. The less established are still worthwhile and agents and publishers certainly keep their eye on them, but just mass submit and forget about them. If they accept great, if not who cares.
A rejection does not mean it is a bad story, just that it is not suitable for their publication at the current time, keep submitting it elsewhere; which is not to say it is a good story, keep working on it and improving it and resubmitting. Conversely, acceptance does not mean it is a good story but it has been published so there is nothing you can do but learn from it, what you did right and what you did wrong.
Subscribe to and read as many journals as you can and follow all the contests, they are your teachers, learn from them and everything you read. If the primary critique you have when reading is "I am a better writer" or some /misc/ bullshit than you might as well give up now, you comprehension level is superficial at best and you are too caught up in yourself to make any real connection through literature.
Don't be scared away by entry and submission fees, they are another way to weed out all the people who are going through a writing phase and deal with the fact that new authors rarely make any money for those who publish them. The entire industry is subsidized by the few who really make it and the flavor of the month, journals and contests are no different, they rely on their having publishing rights for X number of years of the stories they publish; they want you to make it and get a publishing deal so they can licence that story to your publisher when they decide to put out an anthology of all your early short stories and get that line in the colophone stating they printed you first. There probably are some scams out there with submission fees, so don't send the money before making sure they are a reputable journal/contest.
You keep whining about /misc/ for some reason but the actual pertinent point is this: the industry is openly discriminatory against you if you happen to be a White male. Go on just about any literary journal's website and you'll see something along the lines of "We are ESPECIALLY [read: more] interested in publishing marginalized/underrepresented/diverse [read: non-White male] voices." Some will even have submission fees determined by your fricking race. That is not a joke, nor is it a secret: they literally brag about this. And the editors, slush readers, etc. who are in charge of actually accepting or rejecting stories (as well as the majority of people who would be reading them) are near-universally far-leftist clichés who have an inherent contempt for you if you so much as post here. I don't know if genre fiction is any different because I solely publish literary, but from my incidental brushes with it, it seems to be the same if not even worse.
Things have changed a lot in the past few years and literature has become unrecognizable today. For you to tell people that it's just a matter of quality, or that there are no politics involved - that is a bold-faced lie.
While it's true that a bad story will not get published either way, everything mentioned above is the difference between a mediocre story selling for five hundred bucks or a great story getting it's fifteenth "It's good but it's not for us" rejection.
>t. published since 2014
I doubt it’s significant enough to cause you to get rejected even if you have an amazing story. It honestly sounds like an excuse you’re telling yourself to deal with rejections.
>I don't like what you're saying so I'm just going to insult you
Why's it always like this, boys?
Stop wasting your time arguing with these people because they have no interest in what's actually true or not.
>For you to tell people that it's just a matter of quality, or that there are no politics involved
I did not say either of those things. I don't believe anyone with such poor reading comprehension is published anywhere unless you are talking self published or some natsoc press bullshit.
>just mass submit and forget about them.
How much is too much? I've submitted ~1/month to ~8 journals. Is that too low?
As in a total of 8 submissions in 8 months, that is.
I guess that would be a personal thing, lots of submissions and no bites can be demoralizing. Personally I don't think you can submit too much, but I have no issues with forgetting about it once I have sent a story off, it is like tossing a penny in a fountain.
It wasn't really an insult, he (You?) plainly demonstrated poor comprehension. The post was not worth addressing in any depth, it contributed nothing to the discussion and reeks of larp.
I could always do more, I guess. Acceptance rates seem low.
https://shutupwrite.com/submissions-the-harsh-reality-and-how-to-improve-your-odds/
They are low, but it only takes a few to get the attention of agents and publishers. As I said, the journals and contests are a proving ground, it is not meant to be easy, it is meant to get rid of those people who will give up writing once they start their "real' career or start thinking about having a family.
Thanks for the link.
If you don't find the open discrimination in the industry worth addressing then we truly don't have anything to talk about. You either agree with it, which makes you a racist scumbag, or you pretend it's not happening, which makes you a dishonest coward. Either way, it's a waste of time.
Women just sell better tbh, it’s market driven. Men should buy more books.
>Men should buy more books.
That I can agree with.
I bought your book, Anon.
>Men should buy more books.
And on that note, I'm glad to buy all of Anon's work. Post your Kindle Store links, senpai, and I'll throw a few bucks at it (provided it only costs a few).
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I bought your book, Anon.
>Men should buy more books. (You)
>And on that note, I'm glad to buy all of Anon's work. Post your Kindle Store links, senpai, and I'll throw a few bucks at it (provided it only costs a few).
Any takers? I'd love to buy your shit.
There's a pastebin. Here's the non royal road stuff on /wg/
Haunted houses
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09PJPJPFN
Seeds of doubt
https://www.amazon.com/Seeds-Doubt-Gulliver-Waverly-ebook/dp/B098FF85BP/
Emily Project
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09X6JX44X
Eggplant
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09MV7G9CJ
You know, I would shill my book, but I also tend to only see negative reactions to anything posted here
Is it on Goodreads yet?
Aye, a friend put it up on GR for me because at the time I didn't know how to work the site.
I'm
if you want to find me.
Oh cool. That podcast was what got me into K-anon. I hope he makes it.I'll check out the other eps and hopefully can appear on it one day.
It's promising. Dude's got what looks like a wild idea for the 100 subscriber special.
Okay I take that back, episode just launched. This podcast is not long for youtube, it's too based.
You should visit /wg/ every now and then anon. My first novel won't be in final draft until November but I'm not sure how my publishing attempts will go. I'm already a professional in another career so I'm leaning toward traditional publishing but I'll just have to see if the agents I scouted will care.
Also, someone earlier this month, some wealthy fashion consultant, asked me for writing advice, surprisingly. Her neighbor is a screenwriter that encouraged her to write a book and with all her ties to NY fashion she's already got a leg up with publishers. I hope to God that could do something for me but I doubt it.
Reading more than the cannon. I'm proud of you.
I never said such things should not be addressed, at most I implied that larping was not the way to go about such things but really I was just insulting you, as in you personally. You really should work on those reading skills.
Not him but you invited it by dismissing an aspect of this topic with muh /misc/. You are delusional and an awful person. Nothing more needs to be said.
always cracks me up to see stormfront trying to take the high road
not that anon but it's because you have no idea how base your positions actually are.
oh i'm well aware of how based they are 😉
>if you dont like being discriminated against you're stormfront
You are legitimately deranged.
sure. let's see how long it takes before you start sounding like this guy
I never will. You, on the other hand, support racial discrimination so you already do. You're a racist coward.
what are the most popular journals and contests? where is the best place to make connections? how do i find the right agent, and how do i market my work to readers?
Writer’s digest (and probably similar magazines) always used to have listings for calls for entries and journals at the back. I’m sure it’s all digitized now.
You can not really think in such absolutes, the most popular will be the ones you can not get in like The Paris Review. You need to identify the markets which your writing will work in and find the resources most suited to it. If you want to become a writer than you are starting a business for all practical purposes and you need to do your research, I don't know your market or your work and can not say what is best within those contexts.
Finding the right agent is primarily trying out agents, just like any other service. It is a business arrangement and you should treat it as such, if it is not working tell them and tell them why you think that, see what they have to say.
Picrel seems like a good resource. It is written in an annoying self help sort of style, but I think that is mostly because they are attempting too offer something better to those who buy meme writing books which are more a cash grab than anything and that is how those books are written. The sections I have read have been quite good content wise, it seems more a survey of successful authors of the past century tempered and put into context with their knowledge of the industry.I have just been slowly reading the copy at my agents office when ever I find myself waiting so have only read maybe 25% of the book and only the sections which I find most interesting.
Most of my sales are from physical book shops, online is maybe 20% and a good chunk of those are direct through my publisher. You need to look at what they are selling, 50-80% of book sales are best sellers and the like, not the new and relatively unknown author. Smaller regional markets are much easier to break into and bring other opportunities in that market.
Oh shit, you actually have a book published?
How?
Did you get an agent first or a publisher?
Did you cold contact or get introduced or what?
Getting published in journals got me an agent which got me a publisher. My first agent contacted me after a story of mine got some attention and it all went from them there. I probably should have taken an agent contacting me as a hint to shop around for an agent but I did not know what I was doing so I ended up with a fairly green agent. Her being relatively new to the industry may have been ideal for me at that time, if i had gotten on with an established agent I may have stuck with them longer than I should have or my early mistakes may have ended up more public. I quickly outgrew her abilities/contacts, which is not saying much for either of us at that time, she was spending all her time getting her foot in the door for my sake instead of hers. She worked her ass off for me but her newness left her little time for other clients and we realized that we were hindering each others advancement, I was no where near big enough for her to risk everything on and she could not effectively represent me without taking that risk.
Interesting, thanks for the detail.
Your race and gender? OP BTFO.
White and male. The only thing remotely unique about me is that I come from a middle class midwestern family but that is only unique outside of the midwest and really only means that I have a deep and personal connection to the smorgasbord/pot luck that is beyond understanding too outsiders. I guess it also means that I am completely at the mercy of rosy cheeks and freckles, which is another thing that those on the coasts and in the cities can not really understand.
Despite what some would like you to think such things have little bearing on anything beyond the flavor of the month, when you look at works which stand the test of time than the market is almost completely dominated by dead white males and they are your primary competition regardless of your race. If you want to write the the next quickly forgotten bit of genre fiction than you are at the will of the markets and you either bow too market forces or you are forgotten before anyone even notices you. Politics are a fact of life but they are ultimately just another context and manipulating contexts are the forte of the fiction writer; if you actually have something worthwhile to say than you should be able to put it into words which suit the current climate, if you can't than it is probably not worth saying or you need to improve your technique.
Thank you for your response, but I don't understand how you can be so nonchalant about this. Doesn't it bother you that the industry openly considers your writing to have less value because of the color of your skin? Doesn't it bother you to see mediocre, low-effort writing get propelled into the stratosphere because of flavor-of-the-decade politics? You can tell yourself that no one will read these authors a hundred years from now, and that's almost certainly true, but does that really change anything? I doubt you're into writing for the money or the fame, but if you take pride in your work, and if you love this artform, how do you not feel bitter, disgusted, and ashamed at what is being done to it?
you so desperately want this to be a unique point in history, but it ain't
Why do you hate your own race/why are you israeli/why is you skin the color of shit?
Why would it bother me? The people who buy that stuff are not my market and are very unlikely to buy my work anyways, it would be no different than getting angry about people spending their money on paintings or sporting events or prostitutes or comic books or how to books or tickets to the symphony instead of buying my books. Such judgements on value and quality are useless, just because I do not find comic books to be of value does not mean they have no value, just that I am in no position to judge that value or their quality because I am almost completely ignorant of the form and find no real value in them beyond the value they have for other people. If all those books which pander to the currents of public opinion ceased to exist, nothing would change, people are not going to fill that hole with difficult literature that forces them to question their lives, they would replace it with something of kind.
>I doubt you're into writing for the money or the fame
I am absolutely trying to make writing my livelihood, so money and fame are certainly a factor since you don't make money or get your books to the readers without fame.
Nice reply.
what if, for example, i want to write a comic novel (not a graphic novel)? where would you recommend i look? thanks so much.
>If you want to become a writer than you are starting a business for all practical purposes
Except for the whole part where businesses buy and sell goods and services, whereas a writer is creating art.
>jem poster
he used to be my creative writing professor. nice guy. curious as to what that book offers over the classic writing books, though.
The guy running the anthology had a mental breakdown apparently.
The podcast is still going though.
Shilling small presses is common and one of the better ways for bookshops to stay relevant.
This is true. Big presses are trying to hit bestseller lists and their marketing reflects that. Writers tend to think that getting published is the goal, and after that they don’t need to work or promote themselves any more but in reality publishers will barely promote your work at all if the first release isn’t a bestseller. Small presses will be more invested in you because you’re more important to their success.
Frick the industry and frick the money. It’s not about the sales, the fame, the awards, or the image. It’s about making good books. Good art is unironically the goal in itself, and any method of getting said art released easier is a good thing imo.
This guy gets it
>t. man who shills himself at literally every opportunity
Within the first couple pages of reading your picrel, it's pretty obvious that the author has no real talent for language. It's the height of genuine irony that in response to a post claiming you should care only about creating works of art, you shill your own book that has precisely zero artistic merit.
THIS
>typeset your book in LaTeX
>hire a reputable editor off of some online platform like Fiverr
>use a print-on-demand service like Lulu
we are literally capable of producing books that rival the quality of the ones put out by larger publishing houses. All you need to do is invest the time and money and you get 100% complete control over everything about your book, from the way it looks to how its advertised
Why more and more anons aren't doing this is shocking
wrong, wrong, wrong. there's a reason there are professionals involved every step of the way
>fiverr
case in point lel
I dunno man, I need at least enough money to raise a family.
I'll give you that awards and industry approval are fricking bullshit, but I do need money. Marketing ain't free.
I mean, guest starring on the unreal podcast is free, but as far as I know, that hasn't translated to a single sale yet, so does that even count?
No ones saying you should be poor, but if you make your creative goals dependent on a return in your investment it’ll hold you back forever.
I don’t understand why, at any age and for any reason, making a serious investment time and money wise in some physical pursuit is always seen as such a good thing but doing making the same efforts for creative interests is always viewed with skepticism and frugality.
I pray every night that my creative tastes align with enough public perception that I can survive off my writing, and without bending to taste makers, without trend chasing, and so on.
Closest I'll get is "hmm, I guess series A is selling more than series B, so I'll put more of my time there"
The entire point of publishing houses was the distribution. Now that physical bookstores basically don’t exist, a publisher doesn’t even do anything but take a giant cut and make the same Amazon listing you would have.
yep, exactly
I try to explain this to people IRL all the time and I just get that god damned flouride stare back
Thing is, I want to be good enough that a literary agent picks me up. That's a bar I just want to clear.
The thing is that that romantic ideal of publishers as reading through stacks of blind or near-blind submissions doesn’t really exist, or if it does it’s with a publishing house so small that they would barely help at all with promoting it.
New writers still get book deals though. Are you suggesting that 99% of these have connections before manuscript is submitted?
Quite a few of the smaller publishers take blind submissions, but generally they have a 1+ year backlog on such submissions and things which come through agents get priority. Publishers big and small will generally do little to promote an authors work beyond sticking you in their catalog and maybe a blogpost or the like, they only spend money on promotion on authors who have already established their name or ones they are really trying to push for what ever reason. With a smaller publisher a new author will stand out in the catalog more since there will only be a few new authors at any given time and they are generally given prime space in the small publishers catalog since a failed book is a big deal to them, unlike a large publisher who will not even notice.
You generally need to make some connection to get printed, blind submissions can work but making connections and getting an agent is generally easier. Start submitting to journals and contests, they are the standard entrance into the literary world and have been for a century now.
>journals and contests,
I have one short story published in &, and rejected everywhere else. Any smaller presses that take short stories?
Distribution was one point but there’s also promotion and little things like bookstore space that make a huge difference. If you walk into a Barnes and Noble for example you’ll see tables up front with books on them. Publishers paid a lot of money to get those books on those tables. Those kinds of things still matter today. I’m not saying self-publishing is pointless but you’re out of your depth if you think all publishers do is print books.
That’s what I generally meant by “distribution”. When 50-80% (depending on source) of all book sales are from Amazon alone and even more from other online stores, that table doesn’t matter.
>If you walk into a Barnes and Noble for example you’ll see tables up front with books on them. Publishers paid a lot of money to get those books on those tables.
And I can literally just walk in and put any book there, even my book from a small press that gets sent to the shelves in the back of the store. Who gives a shit? You buying into all these “muh big publishing hype” is good goylem behavior.
>And I can literally just walk in and put any book there
really, you can simultaneously walk into every b&n in the whole country and rearrange their displays? because that's the actual point.
Yes, why not? Are they going to arrest me or what? Who the frick cares about what some homosexual who buys the books in those front tables anyway. It’s better to be read by one learned person than a hundred zombie-like goys.
I'm a small time philosopher and have to use alternative routes due to not having direct access to my bank account.
Call of the Crocodile is proof that it can work. Everyone here knows of that book so obviously it’s possible. Eggplant will likely follow in its footsteps and so will more books from this board.
i sincerely hope you're getting paid for this
it's a bunkertroony and its friends on discord. they do this on all the slow boards
IQfy is nearly as bad as IQfy
Discordgays shilling their garbage
He probably got more success posting on here than if he went the traditional route.
Post an excerpt
But if you know it’s decent why do you need it to be traditionally published? And if it’s a matter of being concerned about how much the author sells, then just buy the book?
I don’t see the issue here
I've got a collection of contemporary haiku and senryu coming out. Every mid-level publisher wants you to have a frickload of followers on your shitty social media profiles, and big-name ones won't take you without an agent's representation. Small-time publishers won't help you at all with promotion and will charge people an arm and a leg for your books. Hell, I got an offer from a small-time publisher a few months back, and they wanted to list my book at $20 US. I had to turn them down for that reason alone. Publishing is the worst fricking industry out there, I tell ya. Probably gonna have to put it out myself, even though nearly all of the poems in the collection have been published in magazines.
That’s not even remotely close to decent literary fiction
Are you the author OP? This seems like a hidden ad. I've noticed you doing this in other threads as well... We're catching onto you and your antics. Actually, it makes me want to follow suit and start shadow-shilling my self-published novel here as well. Maybe we'll both get published for real some day. Good luck anon
I mean, I’m not OP, but isn’t this thread your warning not to do that? That even if you write something people actually genuinely enjoy and think is quality they’ll disregard it because it’s not trad published?
If Call of the Crocodile and F Gardner threads are allowed I don’t see how that’s any different.
> That even if you write something people actually genuinely enjoy and think is quality
Good thing that does not apply to the book posted in OP
Any reason for this or are you just mad people aren’t talking about your book?
I never wanted to be a writer and even if I did, I certainly would not spam this schlock everywhere pretending it has any merit. Pure dogshit
Publishers aren't interested in real literature anymore either. What then is one to do?
Customers aren't interested in it. You make art for art, not for money. Why would I ever, EVER buy a new author's Amazon book when there are lifetimes of excellent literature already vetted and part of my cultural heritage?
Literature is a dead art form. You missed the boat. Sorry.
The average “literature” fan is either a blue-haired hyper-leftist who only wants to read about the plight of trans disabled Tajikistani immigrants, or they’re like
and they have no interest in anything new because they’d rather just stick to the canon. Either way, there’s no real place for new literature in our present culture.
Look into making video games or manga instead. Those are actual living art forms with lots of unexplored possibilities, and there is a strong demand for new works because people actually enjoy them.
>is the Helen Zell Visiting Professor in Fiction at the University of Michigan. They’ve received a Stegner Fellowship, a Rona Jaffe Foundation Writer’s Award, three Pushcart Prizes, a Creative Writing Fulbright in Poland, a grant from the Elizabeth George Foundation, a Creative Writing Fellowship from Emory University, work-study and tuition scholarships from Bread Loaf, and fellowships from MacDowell, Yaddo, Hedgebrook, Djerassi, the James Merrill House, and elsewhere. Their fiction has appeared in Tin House, American Short Fiction, The Southern Review, and The Paris Review. They have drawn cartoons for The New Yorker and Narrative Magazine, and graphic fiction for The Believer, Lenny Letter, Popula Magazine, and the Steppenwolf Theater in Chicago. Their story collection, Rainbow Rainbow, will be published in May 2022 by Catapult in North American and Scribner in the UK.
GODDAMN, what a resume, huh? This writing must be incredible. Let's see:
>No light could work its way into Kelsey’s condo after four, so that’s when she held the baby and checked email.
>As soon as Heidi arrived at Kim’s condo, she suggested they go meet LisaParsonsTwo, Kim’s online crush.
>The youth group was on the way to a retreat west of Boston. Corey sat squeezed in the back of the station wagon, her elbows on her knees and her fingers pushing spirals into her temples. She watched Meredith Styles, the group’s guest, who was up front with Bill, the leader. Meredith Styles was a recent college graduate in the church, along on the fall retreat to issue an award called the Coming of Age in Unitarian America Award. They’d collected Meredith at a plain clapboard house in Lexington.
Oh, it's completely unremarkable. I'm sure this author would have amassed the same success if they were a straight White guy with different political views.
That is quite shit writing. God damn
>Literature is a dead art form.
What about Ishiguro, Houellebecq, Coetzee and about 100 others
Don't bother. The people who post that are "born in le wrong generation"-tier morons.
>The people who post that are "born in le wrong generation"-tier morons.
Nope, I was born in the right generation. My goal is to explore the new artistic possibilities that computers and the internet provide. I have no interest in writing literary fiction. Most of it was never that good to begin with.
All I’m trying to do is get people to critically examine their assumptions about what literary fiction is, why it’s worth doing, and why they personally want to write it. Art forms are not eternal. They come and go. No one writes medieval mystery plays or Japanese Noh dramas anymore. They’re dead forms.
Will literary fiction die too? I dunno. Probably not completely. But you have to understand that literature like all other art forms is subject to historical change, growth and decay. It reached a previously unseen level of prominence in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and has since begun to decline as new forms have arisen. It’s impossible to say if it’s bottomed out yet, or if it will eventually see a resurgence. But you can’t assume that there is an eternal spirit of literature waiting for a hero such as yourself to come along and reinvigorate it. That’s not reality.
Mishima still wrote noh plays
thread full of ngmis trying to reproduce
>No one writes medieval mystery plays
I do, Black person
>Either way, there’s no real place for new literature in our present culture.
>Look into making video games
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>Look into making video games or manga instead. Those are actual living art forms with lots of unexplored possibilities, and there is a strong demand for new works because people actually enjoy them.
nah. the stagnation of modern culture is there no matter which "artform" you work in, because of how culture as a whole is structured, fixated on brand worship and self-policed into a state of stasis by "fandom." nothing interesting is happening with video games. they might have been exciting in, like, 2000, but by 2022 they are are absolutely dead, in the sense of having ossified into manipulative business practices on one end and dumbass fandom logic on the other. i've taken a break from videogame/gamedev culture for close to a decade only to return and find the same shit on an endless loop, the same conversations that no progress had been made in, like i didn't miss a thing. worst of all, going from literature to games makes it really obvious that people in the games bubble, including ambitious gamedev types, are honestly just fricking SLOW, embarrassingly so, like you've found yourself on the short bus by mistake. like, these tards are the future of the "artform?" you can't even talk to them seriously, they can't keep up, it's depressing. video games are the deadest fricking medium.
Not that anon; I've always thought videogames were a very very cool medium through which to tell a story. Your post is surprising to me. Is there no hope? Are there no good videogames being developed currently?
Modern video games are either corporate gambling simulators, leftist Twitter feeds, or literal movies.
They SHOULD be the new frontier in storytelling, but they're not. Occasionally you'll get a title like The Stanley Parable that makes you think there's hope but then it's followed by ten thousand open world zombie survival fetch quest games and nothing changes.
Be the change you want to see Anon. If everyone else is making such shit then that implies that you have some idea of what’s wrong and how to fix it, doesn’t it?
This applies to any medium, not just games.
it's irrelevant what any individual does. i don't feel like typing some giant essay here but the basic way in which the fandom operates means that videogames can only get worse and videogame fans can only get stupider, more infantile and more illiterate. i'd rather spend my life writing novels that two people will read.
>i'd rather spend my life writing novels that two people will read.
Then I encourage you to do that.
damn, who could've seen that one coming
Easy.
People are writing for money, not to make good stories.
Additionally, nobody is bothering to actually study their craft. Just shitting out prose doesn't make a good story.
And let's not forget that most people are way too lazy to even review/proof their work.
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fricking have a nice day Black person
Holy fricking Christ, if the book is decent then fricking read it.
Why is it so hard to get you people to read something you ADMIT is good?
nice bataille pome
That's just the nature of IQfy in general, most of us are very reluctant to read something that doesn't already have some kind of reputation or credibility and self-publishing has such a strong stigma about it that even if the book is good, its general quality is lessened by the fact that it was self-published
Haven't read this book but the cover looks stupid.
>yes I judge books by their cover
>Adding a period to your title is moronic
Is it possible to get published without stepping outside my home? Where do I find a literary agent online? Or even offline, for that matter.
What do you mean? It's all done online. You send an email or fill out an online form.
i know i'm asking you guys to spoonfeed me but i suck at using search engines-- where do i find literary agents?
Duotrope or Quereytracker
What is this book about? I kind of like the cover tbh
per goodreads:
>Arda is a writer covering the LA art scene. But in a commercial world where the artists she respects must debase themselves for recognition, she's begun to lose interest in her career and her friends. When a mysterious benefactor contracts her services, offering her a trip to a strange island resort for an interview with a murderous madman, she is intially terrified. Still, drawn to the idea of a fresh start, and of something unknown waiting to be found, she accepts.
>Things quickly become stranger on the island; lunatics, blood-rituals and a deadly fungus all threaten Arda's quest for the perfect interview with a killer. Art and life seemingly mimic each other in a competition to be the strangest, as everything Arda believed previously about creativity is challenged by what she fears in mankind. In the end, she must choose between artistic integrity, and escape from the island.
reviews actually look authentic and I’ve heard good things from /wg/.
There's also an essay on it in the last issue of &
How could one be a Mallarmé or a Stefan George, today?
You have to get with the times, anon.
This thread is actually kinda sick. Finally some mature anons that know what their talking about instead of seething only.
What's the reading order for IQfy books? Call, eggplant, short stories?
latest to oldest. this way the books will be talked about more equally and the memes stay fresh.
I just want something simple, easy to understand,and able to finish in a 3 hour plane ride
The Emily Project by KK Wgon, then. I liked it despite a few parts that have unclear grammar. The story is short but surprisingly caught some feels for the robot. Nice story if you want a perspective about fembots that isnt completely jaded. You should look into short stories if you dont have much time to read, most take an hour to do and it's a great way to read daily with satisfaction. Woolston has some, there's also Kit Williams was a short story author published on & and he made a collection called the Dose Makes the Poison. Kit's stuff is very short and not as polished but four of his stories I really enjoyed.
Thanks
CotA is really good.
Don't get memed into reading Call of. Just go to writing general and look in the list of authors. Most are writing serialized and for the stand alone titles some are seriously unedited or lack serious contemplation. If you want litfic only Nesmer's Eggplant and Woolston's two collections came close. There are some others out there for genre fiction that seem nice but can't vouch for them. Also some other voices in the wilderness that are either lack subtlety like mister shitkicker or others who are so off the radar I suspect they already gave up.
I might even recommend Mike Ma's writing if you are interested in accerelationist fiction but personally I have not looked at it. Not sure about John David Card but I plan to check out People Mover.
Most people talk about Call of the Crocodile but some of the other books in that series are better.
>Literary fiction doesn't sell self-published
nothing sell self-published unless you have enough money to aggressively market it