Why does every tech project make you use a Discord server for discussion and support now? What do they have against forums?
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Why does every tech project make you use a Discord server for discussion and support now?
Everyone has a discord already, if they don't, they're not worth interacting with.
Also it lets insecure people continue to perpetuate all the worst aspects of a forum, overbearing strict moderation, forced humiliation rituals (verification), and being unable to download files without making an account.
Also this way if they ban you you can't even interact with the project anymore, lmao
That last thing is what really pisses me off about Discord.
I can use any search engine and get linked to a 15 year old forum post that solves my exact problem. Discord doesn't work like that though.
Those that use discord are not worth it.
Those that use mailing lists are TOTALLY worth it.
There's a 99.99999999% chance whoever uses discord is not worth interacting with
Only dumb morons think a walled garden like it is necessary for information flow
It used to be IRC but it went out of style
>make you
why are you lying on the internet? no one makes you do anything. imagine needing support for software
Forums are not live chat rooms that you can receive immediate feedback from. Discourse, Reddit, and even Github issues are all modern forums that you can use for tech projects.
Discord replaced IRC and other chat services because those services really fricking sucked.
I've had a few drive-by pull requests on github rejected because I wasn't a member in their discord, and it always goes something like
>why didn't you ask [maintainer] before making these changes
>whats your discord
>why aren't in the discord?
>we don't accept unsolicited outside code
>closed
name a SINGLE project that is useful for most people, and doesn't have other more suitable alternatives, that only or mostly uses Discord for discussion or support
It's not that nothing except a Discord exists, it's that Discord is the only platform that's officially supported and has most of the userbase.
if that's the case, why bother with the project?
it's similar to programs that use SourceForge
if you couldn't be bothered to create a website for your project, then it's likely that the software is just as low effort so why bother?
regardless, i do check out as many projects as i can if i need a specific application but WITHOUT FAIL I've yet to encounter ONE application that I personally stuck with that didn't have it's own website and legitimate support
it's usually low-effort trash that does shit like almost exclusively give support through Discord, which btw, what program are you referring to?
Plenty of projects use matrix or libera stfu
Its great way to separate different topics and filter out /misc/ manlets. Bots allow you to moderate the server if people cant behave and you can have different ranks with various access to certain channels and different permissions (like contributor, donator, user etc).
aka being a homosexual redditor on steroids
>muh reddit boogeyman
Say whatever you want about reddit as a mentality but nowadays its the only decent place to visit if you want to ask for some niche topics. Forums and IRCs are absolutely dead and no amount of retrooner copium with change it.
Forums are deprecated tech, Discord is an instantaneous messaging program that allows developers and users to have direct contact in real time.
The future is now old man.
>login to forums
>make a post
>wait 10 hours for response
>login again to response to the post
>wait another 10 hours and check again
vs
>search entire discord for something and find it immediately or ask a question and get an answer in 5 seconds
>Forum gets shut down
>Only that specific forum is gone
>Still accessible on the Wayback Machine
vs
>Discord gets shut down
>Every single server is gone forever
>Can't be archived via Wayback Machine due to being locked behind a login and an invite
>ask a question and get an answer in 5 seconds
this sounds neat in theory but in practice it's a fricking terrible idea for many reasons
>IMs create an expectation of instant responses
>most discord users don't know how to properly ping or @, so people asking questions have to constantly monitor the chat
>morons talking about random shit and spamming memes eventually bumps your question off-screen, and you have to re-post it
>requires staff members to constantly watch discord and answer repeat questions, leading to burnout
>or allow moronic community members to answer
>responses from community can only ever be on a downward spiral of quality, mogged by Dunning-Kruger morons
>eventually leading to microsoft forums-tier answers with pajeets telling you to run sfc and reboot
>fricking impossible to search for anyone who might have already asked a similar question, because you have to somehow use exact terms that they did
>most discord users don't know how to properly ping or @, so people asking questions have to constantly monitor the chat
many servers will ban you for pinging the admins
Filters out /misc/cels who would only cause drama
This! They are too dumb to behave, its very easy to autoban them after they write something like "kys troon" and they are too tech-illiterate to make multiple alts accounts since they wont know how to bypass phone verification
easier to moderate
It's that time again.
We idealize forums but they were trash in their own right. The same shit you hate about Discord like cliques existed on forums.
The actual redpilled take here is that both forums and Discord are bad, and now the former is simply obsolete.
Wrong, Discord is becoming increasingly hated by things like gaming communities because it's a rabbit hole to use when trying to dig up information. Unlike a wiki or a public forum.
Anon, we've had skype in the past. MSN. These things aren't new, they're just shilled by morons who think they aren't a glorified skype or MSN.
And that's because the people running discord alternatives love to sockpuppet and control such channels and dislike the fact that they have no control or influence over existing media.
And I'll bet banks are the root fundraiser for this marketing scheme. That's why it's so politically correct.
Discord was the most logical upgrade vs forums.
Forums became infested with troony mods.
Discord originally wasn't so bad, but now it too is infested with troony mods.
Now we have AI that we can ask questions, but then it too was forced to be a troony.
Now we have grok, and other little known opensourced AI to answer our questions.
The only way it can be infested by the troonyism, is if you yourself are a troony.
>was the most logical upgrade vs forums.
No it wasn't.
It wasn't designed to be public, open and easy to use like public forums are.
Instead you need MFA to even access info on it, because discord loves your data.
I dont remember a single forum that didn't require an account or some sort of post history in certain types of threads.
Not sure what you are talking about, but discord doesn't have my phone # or name or anything other than a burner email and the ip address that I use.
Depends on the gaming community, but I use AI for that as well.
Only team based games, like RPGs that require coordination for raids, might we need something else.
Seems like Google sheets/docs is the go to for many games instead of a wiki.
Discord only monitors to a certain extent.
Again, the concern of the government is user comms.
The concern of the gamer/internet-surfer is information.
AI basically fills this gap, where information can be acquired relatively locally, without worries about getting banned or doxxed.
Some "professional" places use MS Teams as a discord esque alternative.
Everyone else uses discord.
Discord only became big of ease of access.
Setting up a forum, and moderating it so that it doesn't get you in legal trouble was such a big pain back in the day.
Setting up a discord server, is relatively painless.
>I dont remember a single forum that didn't require an account or some sort of post history in certain types of threads.
Yeah but they didn't need your phone number, address, the name of your dog, your blood type and everything else discord requires for fingerprinting purposes.
Many of these forums and chat clients have come and gone.
Only IQfy still exists because it's anonymous and you don't need to log in.
>but discord doesn't have my phone #
How?
It's always asking new users for phone # authentication, or it will start labeling your account as "suspicious" over time.
The amount of trannies I've seen streams of and they click and submit all their MFA bullshit just to use discord is hilarious. They just love to suck wiener.
>Setting up a discord server, is relatively painless.
You've clearly never set one up.
They're cancer to set up nowadays.
>You've clearly never set one up.
> They're cancer to set up nowadays.
IQfy use to be place with fairly competent internet dwellers.
If setting up moderation bots and emoji bots, and pronoun bots and other gaybots to make you feel comfortable is a requirement of "setting up" the server, you're simply causing yourself problems.
I can set up a simple random discord server for a temp game/discussion in minutes.
If you want to setup a long term server with randos, perhaps it will take more, but even forums took a few hours to initially set up. Longer if you were new to it.
I had started using discord back when it was only known about as a website and not with a standalone app.
My gaming community was jumping from Roger/Wilco/teamspeak/mumble/ventrilo/etc while also running a website with a traditional forum.
Once discord came out, it became apparent that while not as capable of a forum, it filled both roles of a comms platform and a forum fairly well.
That game community still goes on, but a lot of us are finding ourselves using AI to find information to mix/max or what not.
Within 2 more years, I have a feeling we will only be using discord for social interactions and ideas on how to improve AI or new AI to try.
>If setting up moderation bots and emoji bots, and pronoun bots and other gaybots to make you feel comfortable is a requirement of "setting up" the server, you're simply causing yourself problems.
It's not that.
It's the compromise on privacy and the hassle of having to use discord with no condom on and in the bare nude.
It's just not a productive workspace and it gives advantages to potential competitors whom discord could potentially provide data for.
The number one honeypot for enforcement to use for capturing hackers is discord. It is literally looking like a hacker forum for a reason - to bait those sorts of people into using it. It's literally just a honeypot.
>It's the compromise on privacy
Explain?
You couldn't let forums run free either, not without getting a cease and desist letter or getting told by your webhost that they are giving you notice.
There are some discords where all chat is encrypted, only decryptable by keys trading in person.
Everything is a honeypot, you think IQfy is allowed to stay up without obligations?
Look at other image boards, some have even designed their own browsers to be able to view.
If you really want privacy for certain types of comms, you basically will never use anything a normalgay can use.
>Explain?
The fact that you need an explanation why logging in with both email and phone number while accepting JavaScript means that you need to lurk moar.
This shit kills you in the modern world.
Cartels use this shit all the time.
So does government enforcement.
Or even mere monopolies that see potential innovations and try to get that innovation for their product or destroy the makers so that it never hits the shelf. (Banks reinforce this with their debt regimes btw).
I think children are fricking delusional with this shit nowadays.
When I came to IQfy, the first thing they teach you is that "nothing is safe here" and that it cannot be deleted from the internet.
>The fact that you need an explanation why logging in with both email and phone number
>accepting JavaScript
Who even browsers on with JS enabled on their main computer?
Read the thread, you don't need to use real email, you don't need to use a phone number, and if for some reason you did, you don't need to use a real phone number.
What forums did not ask for an email address?
What forums did not keep record of ip addresses and mac addresses?
It also seems like government actors are more annoyed about people using discord and other image boards instead of forums.
You make it sound like forums are somehow safer than discord, when it's quite literally not.
I am not saying discord is monitored, but to pretend it's somehow more monitored than a forums is a complete farce.
Any unencrypted comms, is basically compromised.
This has always been the case since the first radio transmission.
More instantaneous feedback.
Discord was designed for this.
I literally used to use this at uni when it first appeared and before anyone knew about it.
Modern discord use is rarely this nowadays. Kids treat it like private messaging, which is not the case at all for this. It was designed for things like uni projects. Not high end projects, just assignments and shit.
I'm shocked what it turned into, really.
It shouldn't be used as a forum replacement or a professional work environment.
Hey Anon, let’s break it down IQfy-style. So, you’re wondering why Discord’s the new hotness for tech project chatter, right? It’s like this: Discord’s got the edge with real-time chat that feels more like a bustling hackerspace than a ghost town forum. It’s all about that instant gratification, my dude.
Forums? They’re like that old library with the dusty shelves. Sure, they’ve got history and some neat organization, but they can’t keep up with the pace. Discord’s where the party’s at—live voice chat, video, screen sharing, you name it. Plus, those Discord bots automate the heck out of moderation and other tedious tasks.
But hey, don’t get it twisted. Forums still have their place for those deep dives and archival gold. It’s just that Discord’s killing it with the convenience factor. And let’s be real, who doesn’t love those sweet, sweet custom emojis?
So, raise your glass to Discord, the chaotic good of tech talk. Forums, you had a good run, but it’s time to pass the torch.
I think discord and shills for it are clueless about the psychological operations (i.e. marketing) and corporations involved with discord.
It's literally pure shilling that promotes it now.
How do I know this?
Because back in the day it was skype and whatsApp instead.
Discord is already dying for the same reasons - it memory holes content. There's no real wiki archiving of things. And it's increasingly invasive to privacy.
have a nice day
setting up a forum takes more effort
>Why does every tech project make you join an irc channel for discussion and support now? What do they have against newsgroups?
IRC sucks too, a dedicated forum that you don't need to register to view and can be archived by the Wayback Machine and other crawlers is king.
it just works
Hey, at least they don't make you use that turd called IRC
I will NEVER use discord. Not tomorrow, not in 2 months, not in 5 years. You can frick off. Buy an ad next time.
how do you make a forum these days without giving your name and address to cloudflare, your domain name registrar, your hosting provider