>why does evil exist?
>uhh....
>because I gave you free will! there!
>why did animal suffering exist for millions of years before humans existed?
>uhh....
>GO TO HELL!!!
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godjak never fails to deliver erratic self-contradictory gems
>why does evil exist
because of the fall
There you go, God made evil using comic sans.
evil didn't exist before humans. humans just understand it for what it is. ant colonies going to war with each other and killing each other isn't evil.
>why does evil exist
Because we chose to commit evil
>why did animal suffering exist
“That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him”
Ephesians 1:10
Assuming god is good, that animals are innocent and that innocence = good then animals will be recompensed in the afterlife when all things in Christ (things that are good, including animals) are gathered under him.
I’m not even Christian buy atheists raise the same stupid arguments which have already been answered by actual theologians. Read theology before trying to disprove it moron.
>Assuming
It disproves itself lol
>I’m not even Christian buy
Yes, you are homosexual
>assuming
>disproves itself
Christ you’re moronic, that god is good is a core belief of the Christian world view, yes it’s a assumption but so is any observed law. Can you prove that thermodynamics will be constant in all circumstances? No but it’s assumption you make due to your observations.
>”Yes, you are homosexual”
>Inability to understand why people would read about ideas different from their own to enrich their knowledge and challenge their beliefs.
Figures.
>that baby got brain cancer because she chose to chud
Refer to second point. The baby was innocent and will be recompensed in the afterlife.
>god loves torturing people
if you’re talking about the parents read about the book of job and the theology around it and you’ll understand why he allows people to suffer.
All these talking points are pulled straight from Reddit and have been shoot down by theologians for centuries.
No they haven't because your argument limit Gods unlimited power and/or beneficence. If he is all powerful and the family believes in him and he doesn't cure their child's brain cancer then he is either not all good or not all powerful. There is no good argument you can make other than taking the blame away from the being/entity who created the universe in which such atrocities are allowed through no fault of man. His design, his universe, his fault.
This is the perfect argument. An omnipotent omnibenevolent Creator wouldn't have created suffering because suffering is objectively bad. Suffering exists, therefore either God is not omnipotent, not omnibenevolent, neither, or God doesn't exist at all. I'm going with there is no God.
The fact that Christians still presume they can just say Job had the last word just goes to show how few people read the Bible. Job is incredibly primitive and only satisfies idiots and autistic Hebrew enthusiasts who have never read an English word. It's an overwrought poem saying don't cast people out and malign them for bad luck, and we're supposed to take it seriously for these "influential theodicies":
>God punishes the wicked so they'll open their ears to him
Just moronic, any cognizant adult can see basically righteous, naturally pleasant people suffer horribly and die young and in fear while hedonists and worse often die old, wealthy scions. Job raises this very point and literally all he gets is "but he does though!"
>Sometimes the non-wicked appear to be being punished (to superstitious israelites) by God, but perhaps God is just testing them!
Retconned by God having perfect foreknowledge
>God is actually amazing though, so he doesn't have to meet any moral standard! I, God, can do comic book shit, so how dare you question me?
lol
The baby never accepted le free gift from Rabbi Yeshua thoubeit
If you are not Christian, how would you label yourself?
>>why did animal suffering exist for millions of years before humans existed?
Says who? Your man-made studies?
>Your man-made studies?
Like the man-made technology you're currently using, you dense fricking hypocrite.
Ever heard of cold, hunger, disease and physical violence? Did you skip 5th grade biology classes?
>>why did animal suffering exist for millions of years before humans existed?
That never happened.
>That never happened.
Says someone who believes in ribwomen and talking snakes and that plate tectonics and its associated volcanoes and earthquakes are a satanic conspiracy.
Don't forget the kicker.
>If you didn't use your free will exactly the way I wanted you to and worship me, then I'll send you to hell forever and ever!
christcucks are so embarrassing
>he thinks he is here not to suffer
>he thinks that suffering is always bad
Tiny brain moment. If suffering was always bad there won't be masochists.
You think that because God is tolerant that he is helpless and weak.
homie define good or bad than you are making a presupposition that ethics "exist"
So your god doesnt have morals?
All your "morals" are BS, as evidenced by you making fun of people who committed suicide. This whole religion stick is most likely just a way for you to take advantage of other people. As it is for so many "holy" men. Gladly Abrahamic religion is such a goofy nonsense that less and less people can be scared into and manipulated by it.
Free will is such a fricking cop-out. No one was thinking about it in those terms before Christianity started to get pushback and had the need to justify it self. Also its funny how Judaism can easily resolve this by simply saying "yeah life sucks some times and not everyone gets what they deserve, you just gotta live through it". This is why we needed Mani instead of Jesus to go viral - only by disconnecting from the monotheist bullshit can Christian ethics be mythologically justifiable.
This. Forget the problem of evil for a second, and forget about humans who allegedly "fell" and all that bullshit, it just baits Christians into spamming bible quotes. This is the argument to make:
>The undesired suffering of the innocent is unjustifiable, and it exists. It is unjustifiable because God could have made reality without the undesired suffering of the innocent. Therefore, if there is a God he is not just. It is more likely there is no God.
Regarding new agers who believe in impersonal "source energy", there still must be an answer as to why suffering exists. Either source energy is not able to stop it or is not willing to stop it or both. Thus, you can kiss the idea of an omnipotent omnibenevolent creator goodbye. Besides, omnipotence is impossible anyway because God can't imagine a square circle ("do anything"). Logic is king.
>The undesired suffering of the innocent is unjustifiable
Pulled that out of your ass. Jesus is that innocent party and the only truly innocent.
You think he wanted to suffer after Matthew 27:46? Logic my ass, you are just a moron.
So Jesus shouldn't have suffered. You think just because an entity who claimed he was God made Jesus suffer that Jesus's suffering was justifiable? Your God is actually an alien. He was worshipped alongside his consort Asherah. What "creator" has a consort and murders millions?
all these retarted memes are the result of christcuck painting god
these fools think its a fun shit to try and limit god in our human prespectiv
chtistianty is the cause of atheisim and degenrcy
Fricking moronic arabs
>Jesus is the only true innocent
I would genuinely become religious just so I could live in delusion by praying this is a shitpost and not a real mindset held by people.
Aw, look, he's smiling. 🙂
>people who actually suffered for 2000 years never doubted God's existence due to suffering
>suddenly some random edgy teenagers who grew up in Christian countries which has alleviated this suffering and grew up in cities so haven't even seen an animal besides a rat in their lives have a problem
weird
Religion is just advance copium for how shitty life is
religion is actually a terrible coping mechanism because life itself is better enjoy without being under the pretext of religion
Atheism is just copium for how shitty you made your own life
No its not, its just seeing how maybe middle east folktales arent real
what are we talking about then?
This, its hilarious how atheists think religious people being happier is a knock against them. Have they considered that maybe there's a reason their world view is more agreeable to the human psyche?
This, christcucks are too moronic to realize this
>Verification not required.
Atheists are just bad philosophers, it's completely reversible. Weren't the new atheists promising the coming of this glorious scientific utopia that would come once everyone converted to their belief system?
You can really tell someone is stupid by images like this.
>I think atheism is more honest though less comforting t.athiedt man
>Actually atheism is less honest and more comforting t.theist man
Like how stupid to you have to be to feel anything about this stupid fricking image. This is not even me being antitheist but like a good heuristic of stupidity is how quotidian someone is. How much they love little snippets and quotes.
Those people would have been killed or ostracized from society if they voiced their doubts.
the objection has been raised by Christians throughout history, it was never enough to shake faith. Now suddenly atheists use it as their justification for disbelief as they have no intellectual basis for atheism
There is more than just some free will.
There is the Godly and ungodly natures in this world of ours, as it is described in the Bhagavad Gita chapter 16.
>millions of years before humans existed?
Humans have always existed on Earth.
God could've created a world with no sin and free will.
As everything happens as he wants, the only conclusion is that God wanted sin to exist.
Of course this doesn't apply if you're a YEC. If you're not, you could argue that even before God made the world there was chaos and darkness so it wasn't always perfect (God said it was good, not perfect) and point to the fact that death already existed because God made a tree of life for Adam and Eve to eat from.
>But why would God allow all this chaos and death
To show his glory in overcoming it. See John 9 and Romans 9.