Why don't we talk about theology anymore?

These don't say that your justification is derived from works of that sinning will destroy your justification. However,
Romans 4:5-8
>Now to the one who works, his wage is not counted according to grace, but according to what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes upon Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, And whose sins have been covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.”

No the exact words are "to the one who does not work, but believes upon Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness". What happens if you do NOT work, but believe upon Him who justifies the ungodly?

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>Works in this context refers to the works of the Mosaic Law
Where do you see the words "mosaic law"?
>romans was written to unite the Gentiles and israelites
And how is he doing that? Why are the judaizers wrong? Why do the gentiles not need to be circumcised to be justified?

9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.
In this context it refers to the OT law

These 10 commandments were preserved in the new covenant
Circumcision for example(referred to in this passage, was not)
Which Calvinist church do you belong to btw?

Not because of the OT law

James 2:25
> 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
This is works

Hebrews 11:31
> 31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.
What James 2:25 calls works
Is called faith in Hebrews 11:31

It’s the righteousness that comes with faith

Does that righteousness come with faith if you don't have works?

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
More proof that this passage refers to the OT law

Which still includes stuff like the 10 commandments...

>I told you earlier the 10 commandments are also in the new covenant circumcision is not
This is not relevant.
>in the case I mentioned
>John 6
Let's stay in Romans 4. If Abraham had not performed the works of obedience which God had laid out, would he be justified, or to preserve his justification was it necessary that he be circumcised?

>Ok I’ll stay in Romans 4 but please answer my questions
Ok
>This means the works referred to was the Mosaic Law
Abraham was before or after Moses?
>No if Abraham had not performed the works of obedience he would not be saved
So then you are agreeing with the judaizers, against Paul, that he was justified after his circumcision? Is it not Paul's point that Abraham did not need to be circumcised to be justified (and therefore gentiles don't need to either)?

Paul in Romans 4 quotes Genesis 16:5 which says

6 Then he believed in Yahweh; and He counted it to him as righteousness.

But check Psalm 106:30-31

30 Then Phinehas stood up and interceded,
And so the plague was checked.
31 And it was counted to him for righteousness,
From generation to generation forever.

The same wording is used with righteouseness
But here as you can see Phinehas *stood up and interceded* which is a work and it was counted for him for righteousness

As I mentioned previously what James 2:25 considered a work, paul considered faith in Hebrews 11:31

>WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITHFULNESS
The proper translation is faith.

Answer this
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and this

>Answer this
There's nothing to answer. The psalm is written by a different author in a different book. I don't know what the point of the Hebrews citation is supposed to be. The author is saying Rahab's actions were motivated by faith, and his point has nothing to do with this topic.

Romans 4
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless,

Yes Paul was talking about the Mosaic Law telling us that it isn’t the Mosaic Law that saves us

The "law" here refers to the law of God; any works of obedience.

And the wording for the psalm was the same wording for Abraham being credited righteousness

And when will you answer my other questions

I made a typing mistake in my response

>WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITHFULNESS
The proper translation is faith.
[...]
>Answer this
There's nothing to answer. The psalm is written by a different author in a different book. I don't know what the point of the Hebrews citation is supposed to be. The author is saying Rahab's actions were motivated by faith, and his point has nothing to do with this topic.
[...]
The "law" here refers to the law of God; any works of obedience.

I made a typing mistake in my response
The point of Hebrew’s citation is that Paul counted work as faith
John 2:25
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
Considered righteous for what she did

Hebrews 11
31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.
Here Paul refers to it as faith

So what is considered works was considered faith by Paul
So Abraham’s faith saving him could also mean works

And please answer my questions about other passages regarding faith and works

>WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITHFULNESS
The proper translation is faith.
[...]
>Answer this
There's nothing to answer. The psalm is written by a different author in a different book. I don't know what the point of the Hebrews citation is supposed to be. The author is saying Rahab's actions were motivated by faith, and his point has nothing to do with this topic.
[...]
The "law" here refers to the law of God; any works of obedience.

Answer this

It says “counted to him as righteousness”
For both cases the same wording was used
You will mention Paul quoting Genesis 15:6 in Romans 4:3
But you will not mention Paul quoting Habakuk 2:4 in Romans 1:17 which says
4 “See, the enemy is puffed up;
his desires are not upright—
but the righteous person will live by his faithfulness

WILL LIVE BY HIS FAITHFULNESS

Isn’t living by your faithfulness considered doing works?

and this

His righteousness which I talked about now

>telling us that it isn’t the Mosaic Law that saves us
and of course the 'saving us' mene goes totally unnoticed: that we need saving from something in a world created by an omnipotent father figure who loves us. it's almost as if the original shit-up-makers thought in the terms of a powerful but not omnipotent ally trying to help us in a hostile universe not of his making, then later generations simply ended up hiding behind doublethink and plain parroting and not wanting to face the implications.

But faith in him without works still isn’t enough

If only we had listened to the wisdom of an unbeliever who's never actually read the bible instead

We’re discussing the biblical point of view so I don’t know if his wisdom agree with scripture