>OLED monitors
Why? Each pixel produces it's own light. There is no back-light, so no flicker, which is the only documented phenomenon that causes eye fatigue.
You're going to have to post a source that proves your claim.
it would, actually, since it's clearly tied to your current income.
its your lack of resource that you have to create virtue around, if you had more money, your idea of too expensive would change accordingly.
>since it's clearly tied to your current income.
not that anon, but how do you come out with that conclusion.
you sound like you're making some profound statement, but you're not.
because that's how people work, we expand our lives to fit our wealth.
frugality under pressure is literally just coping for lack of resource.
had he been born a millionaire or was a working professional, would he have developed such a low, arbitrary limit for a computer monitor?
what are the odds that 250 dollars also falls outside of what he can afford?
its safe to assume they're linked.
Mostly bad text clarity. Most material expects you to have a proper RGB subpixel layout. Cleartype on Windows helps (Most people still don't know about this) but doesn't solve all problems.
The "proper" RGB subpixel layout privileges horizontal detail, but completely neglects verticality. There's a lot of potential for clever trickery with triangular layouts.
2 months ago
Anonymous
And that doesn't matter in practice because that's not the standard.
2 months ago
Anonymous
As long as you take the steps to use custom subpixel text rendering, it's fine. Hopefully Microsoft will address that directly one day.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't matter when content in general Is. Not. Designed. For. It. Microsoft doesn't make all content.
Go shill on IQfy instead, at least it's not a moronic technology in practical application there.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Content
Such as? Only a moron would bake standard RGB layout stuff into anything. Most content that isn't system font rendering makes no assumption about subpixels.
Why are OLED monitors still using layouts like this when phone screens already figured this shit out?
2 months ago
Anonymous
that would look even worse, because the real problem is windows font rendering
2 months ago
Anonymous
>pentile layout results in shitty font rendering at low dpi >uses discrete red, green and blue subpixels that age at a different rate and causes burn-in
In WOLED each subpixel is white with only a color filter on top. QD-OLED uses all-blue subpixels with a quantum dot filter on top. These two methods reduce burn-in since each subpixel wears at the same rate, assuming luminosity is uniform across subpixels of course.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Because it's a meme technology for coomsumers with more money than sense
>What's wrong with the subpixel layout?
nothing.
wintoddlers are just learning their shitty OS doesn't properly render text at the subpixel with anything that isn't rectangular rgb.
What platforms do support subpixel rendering for OLEDs?
2 months ago
Anonymous
https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/reference/ft2-lcd_rendering.html
Harmony does this. You have to manually define the geometry, but it technically exists and works.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm impressed, I genuinely thought this wasn't implemented by any mainstream platform.
Because my 165Hz 1440p IPS is fine, I'm not a consumer prostitute, and miniLED with 5,000+ zones will be relatively cheap in 10ish years when I'll be ready for a new monitor.
I'd only consider OLED in the future if it's substantially cheaper than LCD to make up for the much lower lifespan.
>BUT!
I have a miniLED TV with almost 2,000 zones and a modern VA panel, and I disable motion blur and post processing.
I have seen the light. Now run off and have a nice day in the quickest and most painless way possible so the world doesn't have to continue experiencing you, OLED shill.
You don't stare at your phone for 6+ hours a day with the same static elements. And people who do trade it in every year or every other year because they're obsessed consumers.
My screentime is 3-5 hours a day, I'll often have YouTube vidoes playing on it while I'm working (since my work laptop is filled with company spyware).
2 months ago
Anonymous
>youtube videos >constantly changing media
2 months ago
Anonymous
Still has the status bar active.
2 months ago
Anonymous
so you dont have the videos full screened?
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, that makes it a hassle to change video.
2 months ago
Anonymous
ah i get it
you are a loser who likes to squint to see videos
2 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you got a dead pixel
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's literally my laptop's webcam light.
2 months ago
Anonymous
sure it is
2 months ago
Anonymous
And then one day you'll notice burn-out, and years layer, my IPS monitor will be 10 with tens of thousands of hours on it. OLED is objectively more far expensive when you factor in actual lifespan. The organic compound won't last as long as artificial materials. I'll be interested when microLED is in a similar pricing state to what OLED is in now. An 8K one would be worth considering putting some money down on. So yeah, call me in 15 years. Maybe less when OLED displays are no longer priced by sociopathic israelites.
What is the color accuracy like? Does it have HDR? Was looking for something kinda like this, I'd prefer something cheaper though like 1080P OLED and good color accuracy maybe even HDR for when Wayland supports it
The interesting part is that it's not even burn-in. It's burn-out. It's not like Plasma, where you can just make sure the TV doesn't get too hot/turn it off for half an hour every 6 hours to completely avoid it. The only way to avoid burn-out is to not use your OLED display at all. It's like a candle. It's inevitable, yet they expect you to pay MORE for it. Only the most awful/stupid/uneducated people alive recommend it for PC or moderate to heavy gaming use. I have the very least tolerance for OLED shilling on IQfy because of this.
Basically, yes, they are poos.
>The only way to avoid burn-out is to not use your OLED display at all. It's like a candle. It's inevitable
As conclusive as saying humans die little by little every day.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>ad absurdum
concession accepted
2 months ago
Anonymous
You have to prove how much degradation is enough to be visible, not one is arguing that OLEDs dont age or wear off like every other display technology.
Now your experiments, if you would, please.
My miniLED will be brighter (It's already MUCH brighter) and have a much better HDR effect in 5 years from now.
Also: >comparing people to technology.
Poo confirmed.
2 months ago
Anonymous
HDR isnt about brightness, it has to do deep black levels as well. Local dimming sucks and causes halos and blooming.
Also LCDs have worse pixel response times and poor uniformity.
2 months ago
Anonymous
MiniLED, modern panels, and actual human perception really throw all of your linus racemixing tips out the window.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Your kind is not human, and never will be, souless automaton.
Proof? The newer models just arent old enough to tell. Manufacturers have no incentive to actually fix this "issue", only concern is to keep you consuming.
did you read your own link? it doesnt even have results.
2 months ago
Anonymous
2 months ago
Anonymous
sony a80j
even the g1 i posted before shows slight degrading, only at 50% gray, not so much at the other colours - yet. You will always have to babysit them.
And this is how the LCD looks. Why doesnt the LCD look perfect?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't know about DSE
Definitely a poo shill who doesn't want to admit you can just buy a better LCD model to avoid running into it. It's a Walmart special LCD problem.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>It's a Walmart special LCD problem.
I got news for you: >"The Samsung QN95B QLED is Samsung's highest-end 4k LED TV, and it's the successor to the Samsung QN95A QLED, which was never released in North America."
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Samsung
You do realize these guys have been advertising midrange TVs as top tier for over a decade now, right?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I dont know what lcd you picked, and neither i am saying that lcds are perfect. Yet my point remains: OLEDs degrade significantly over time, and especially with careless use. I sometimes wish i had bought an oled though, especially with the sometimes terrible blooming my x95's image suffers from in a completely dark room. But still i find it weird how oledBlack folk try to defend their beloved technology to a point where they are straight up lying to themselves and everybody else.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>
Because LCDs also degrade over time. All this burn in talk is from gen1 oled, things have changed, a lot. Hell there are torture tests that prove this still ongoing, and by the way half the problems they found were with LCDs.
2 months ago
Anonymous
good morning sir!!!!
2 months ago
Anonymous
sony a80j
even the g1 i posted before shows slight degrading, only at 50% gray, not so much at the other colours - yet. You will always have to babysit them.
"""""""""""""""""""""HDR""""""""""""""""""""
Even my 400-nit and more expensive 600-nit monitors are far from what could truly be considered "actual HDR". You are pulling figures out of your ass here.
>You are pulling figures out of your ass here.
Cope.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>another consumer taking numbers from a piece of paper without understanding practical, real world application
Do we need to talk about how the human eye is not a camera connected to a computer looking at a display in a reflectionless void again?
2 months ago
Anonymous
The real world application is specified. It's a piece of actual surface illuminated by controlled lighting where every light source brighter than itself is considered whiter than white, a la HDR. You'd see this with your eyes first hand.
I only play games at 1080p, all my old movies are 1080p. Why would I buy a 2k monitor, where are the good RTS games that can span my tripple monitor setup?
Guys, I'm looking to buy a TV myself, but I don't even.
LCD, QLED, OLED, 60 hz, 120 hz, *Insert fancy combination of words the producers presents as must haves tech by 2024*
I don't want a shit TV, nor do I want to sell my bone marrow to afford a flagship TV that gets completely mogged by a new model 15 months later.
What price range should I go for?
And since there's so much detail go get hung up on: How trustworthy are reviews if I google some model and quickly glance through the average stars in the first few pages of results?
>It's under $950 now.
My current monitor (28" 4K IPS) cost me about $340, and that was extravagant enough! Spending almost 3x as much on something with known durability issues is hard to justify, even if the picture is nicer.
thats Alienware not dell if they want me to buy them label them a not poisoned name cause i odnt care who makes it i will NEVER buy something called alienware
Alienware isn't even Alienware in terms of product philosophy anymore, Dell literally just wanted the brand name.
The computers are still overpriced trash, but this is true for all pre-builts and gayman laptops.
Ten years ago you'd want an Intel/Radeon, now it's Ryzen/Geforce. Times change.
by the way, when you get burn in on these and you try to RMA, they will send you used/refurbished replacements and waste as much of your time as possible 😀
I honestly can not tell a difference
Had a phone with an IPS screen, upgraded to a new phone a few months back with OLED screen and to my eyes it is the exact same
and you are moronic i bet you run your phone in light mode
2 months ago
Anonymous
I do
2 months ago
Anonymous
Light mode is a representation of your soul. Those who browse in light mode are more pure hearted, and have noble intentions. Those who browse dark mode should be worried. "But light mode hurts your eyes" or perhaps thats what the demons would like you to think. It is hurting your soul, and your feeble mind is making up excuses for why you want to use dark mode.
2 months ago
Anonymous
frick of copeland go use your millions to benefit the needy
>buy something that requires me to change the way I use my pc to not damage it
No thanks, I will keep displaying software on my LCD monitors with static UI and menus for 12+ hours a day
The alternative is LCD. The working man's (Even the hard-playing man's) display technology of choice. Actual adults don't chase after overpriced tech that physically degrades. Note how the problem in real life comes down to price. Money, something that adults manage responsibly. You're not buying one TV that will last the rest of your life. You do not have infinite money. Displays are not the only thing you will ever need or want to spend money on. Displays improve over time. Stop putting all your eggs in one overpriced limited lifespan basket.
Poo shills need to rope now.
2 months ago
Anonymous
THEY ARE NOT TVS THEY ARE FRICKING MONITORS USE THE RIGHT WORD YOU FRICKING moron
2 months ago
Anonymous
"Displays". The only thing that really matters in this context is use case. Get ground into pig food.
2 months ago
Anonymous
NO ONE USES A CIOMOPUTERR ON A TV UNLESS THEYY ARE FRICKING moronic I WILL NEVER EVER USE A TV AS A CMPUTER DISPLAY I WILL LITERALLY DIE FIRST
2 months ago
Anonymous
Looks like this one has been successfully mindbroken.
2 months ago
Anonymous
i will never ever own another TV they aer shit and people are ttrying to take away my desktop and make me use cloud gaming
frick that frick that frick that frick that
2 months ago
Anonymous
it's a panel that shows pixels who fricking cares dumb homie
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Actual adults don't chase after overpriced tech that physically degrades.
Then why is OLED marketing growing every year, and why is almost every high-end display also OLED?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Because you're a mindless consumer/shill.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>You're not buying one TV that will last the rest of your life.
What if the rest of my life is less than 10 years? You don't fricking know when you die. Life is a lot more fragile than you think it is. Buying things with expectation to use them for next 30+ years is moronic. You'll understand what I mean a moment you find yourself in a hospital bed over some unforeseen bullshit which almost took your life.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Im not poor though
2 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn't make you wise or not a cancer on humanity.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Sure but I dont need to count my change and pray to god a shitty $200 monitor will last a decade
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's not praying, it's saying no to cancerous business practices. You're a moron like janny so you wouldn't get it.
Been using an LG C2 since it launched and I will never go back from OLED. I love all the poor losers pumping up their shitty light-bleed IPS in the thread lol
No, it's because having no backlight makes the LED system bad for your eyes. Too much fast flashing perhaps. That and increased eye strain from newer, higher light wavelength blue OLEDs due to them causing oxidative stress to your eyes.
i do have one and can't go back to LCD shit, but these aren't mass market ready until they're under $400 and dont require ANY due diligence on the user to avoid burn-in because the average person isn't gonna think to hide their taskbar and have a changing/moving wallpaper (even though that's pretty much all it takes to avoid it and it's like 2 clicks)
also windows needs to improve their font rendering because by default it looks like shit on OLED (imo it looks shit on LCD too but it's serviceable) and requires installing MacType to look good
Motion only matters in handful of competitive games. For casual gaming LCD/OLED offers more than enough. No one cares about your autistic tantrum over minor motion blur. Average person doesn't even notice shit like that. What's actually noticeable is display brightness, sharpness and contrast.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Motion blur is objectively ugly and even eye-straining, even in casual games. And it's not at all a minor effect either. >Average person doesn't even notice shit like that.
They absolutely do, I've shown what a CRT can do to complete normies and they can instantly notice the otherworldy motion clarity just moving windows around.
Displays capable of proper motion have not been sold in over 20 years. Everyone's just forgotten what we had. Or never even experienced it first-hand.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Everyone's just forgotten what we had
You sound like pretentious gay who compares crt to some old 60hz lcd shitter from 2010. For people who actually care about motion clarity in games there are plenty of options which only getting better each year. Asus just released fastest TN panel last year.
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All it needs now is nvidia pulsar update to strobe at variable refresh rate.
>b-b-but muh ghosting!
IPS issues.
2 months ago
Anonymous
They're a lot better than that now.
What good are 300-500hz displays for when most of my games run at 60-100fps ?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>All it needs now is nvidia pulsar update to strobe at variable refresh rate
That's been a standard feature in gigabyte's M-series monitors for a couple years now. Hopefully it'll appear on more displays under nvidia's branding.
2 months ago
Anonymous
CRT troons are still going to foam out of their mouths about how this isn't good enough
I had one back in 2014 and I didn't care about the difference. If I wanted a screen with better colors that I have to deal with ghosting on, I'll just use a crt tv.
Because My 120hz VA Dell 34” ultra wide still looks good to me. I’m not a brain dead consoomer. Perhaps if this thing breaks I will replace it. I would prefer to spend my money on a PCVR headset
Cause I gain nothing from it. LCD is good enough for reading mails, reading docs, writing docs and writing code. There haven't been any good games to play recently anyways
>spend 800$ on the "best" high refreshrate panel >it has pixel shifting that every 3 minutes repositions the entire fricking screen by 1-2 pixels and it cant be turned off.
ontop of that, the font rendering is fricking atrocious because most applications are not designed to handle the moronic pixel layout of oled.
oled is just a stopgap til microled gains traction. I can hold out with qled and other panel tech thats basically 95% as good as oled while I wait.
2 months ago
Anonymous
we will never get past oled i need you to understand this or at the very least stop throwing an autistic fit everytime someone mentions using oled
2 months ago
Anonymous
>we will never get past oled
2 months ago
Anonymous
Sony already pulled out from making Oled TVs.
2 months ago
Anonymous
and what are they making instead?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Their bankruptcy plan.
2 months ago
Anonymous
miniLED and microLED (what they call CrystalLED)
Aren't they currently experimenting with non-organic diodes?
That's microLED.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>That's microLED.
Ah right, I thought that was just miniLED with smaller backlights.
2 months ago
Anonymous
nfts and AI
2 months ago
Anonymous
and what are they making instead?
this year they're focusing on mini led with more local dimming zones
they havent abandoned oled they just arent replacing the a95l this year
2 months ago
Anonymous
Aren't they currently experimenting with non-organic diodes?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not into blacks, silly.
2 months ago
Anonymous
true black is a myth
the panel with pixels off isnt "true black" either
2 months ago
Anonymous
true black is a myth
the panel with pixels off isnt "true black" either
pic related is my lg g3
note how blacker the bezel is than the pixels themselves
2 months ago
Anonymous
True black is all about perception.
You can take an old LCD with no local dimming, slap a black square in the middle of a white screen, and your eyes will percieve it as "true black".
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're not supposed to mention that or the blue subpixel. It ruins every marketers day.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Bias lighting is broken for this. Throw some white LED strips on the back of your display and your perception of black levels increases significantly.
Never buy VA ever. It may be fast but the image is the literal shit.
VA is the only thing worth buying. IPS is a meme. Who cares if the blacks "smear", which isn't even a problem in modern VA displays, when IPS can't even display blacks to begin with?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Currently VA is the most reasonable option for poors
I bought odyssey g6 and the biggest issue isn't black smear, its scanlines that caused the most annoyance and apparently all VA are prone to it if they push the monitor to 240hz territory.
Then its the tv smart os but thats samsung specific.
If I could afford oled Id def use that instead
2 months ago
Anonymous
I set my monitor to 144hz no matter wat. I don't really see a reason to go higher, plus when you set it higher GPU never clocks down and uses 3x more power when idle.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>240hz
You're not getting anywhere near there in most games.
2 months ago
Anonymous
true
one issue with va is that at low refresh rate the pixel response time get worse so oled is better in those scenarios
2 months ago
Anonymous
Works on my 2023 VA TV.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>local dimming
oh boy, I love my monitor looking like a checkerboard!
2 months ago
Anonymous
It only does that in extreme cases like looking at a star field, how often does that even happen in video games
2 months ago
Anonymous
thats why you need VA for its high contrast ratio to work with the minileds, and preferably a lotta zones
I would never buy ips minileds
Have you ever seen a crusty jpg? That's what miniled looks like all the time.
2 months ago
Anonymous
What you're really saying is that you haven't seen any top tier TCL, Samsung, Sony, or Hisense models from 2023. It's OK to admit it, most people would walk past them and think they're OLED.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>models from 2023
Can't wait for a few more months when we'll start seeing >of course you don't think miniLED looks good, you haven't seen the 2024 models that finally fixed all the problems for real this time
and on and on. Same cope OLEDgays have been coming back to annually whenever anyone mentions burn-in.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Once you reach about 2,000 zones on a VA panel, it doesn't matter quite as much. The bigger improvement this year is coming from peak brightness.
2 months ago
Anonymous
my monitor only has 336 and it's not even a problem on that. Only seen it in a game once staring at a black corner with a crosshair, you can see the light around the crosshair
2 months ago
Anonymous
no, they pretty much all suck in different ways
tcl and hisense have shit algorithms and zony has a shit zone count
2 months ago
Anonymous
I have one it is definitely not like that in any content that matters... Only in extreme cases like a mouse on a dark background you see the backlight following the mouse around
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Only in extreme cases like a mouse on a dark background you see the backlight following the mouse around
so like all the time if you use dark mode
2 months ago
Anonymous
No... why would you use local dimming on desktop? HDR is only enabled when HDR content is being used. It's turned off in SDR mode.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Oops... Meant to say dimming is only on when HDR content is being displayed.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Sh-shut up!
2 months ago
Anonymous
>dark mode
Eye strain mode.
And turn on the lights in your room, junior.
2 months ago
Anonymous
thats why you need VA for its high contrast ratio to work with the minileds, and preferably a lotta zones
I would never buy ips minileds
2 months ago
Anonymous
And heres my c2. Something is wrong with your g3 then.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The different is light source location and overall brightness of the room.
IQfy is such an inept, consumer prostitute place for display discussion.
2 months ago
Anonymous
try taking a picture with more than a millisecond exposure
2 months ago
Anonymous
internal light reflection, dipshit.
2 months ago
Anonymous
if you remove all light sources, everything can look black, dipshit
2 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't this how all screens look when they are off? You could find something darker than the bezels too if you looked.
Because I'm not paying a price premium for this shit
https://www.pcgamer.com/im-still-not-convinced-about-the-brilliance-of-oled-gaming-monitors-is-this-a-me-issue-or-an-oled-issue/
Too many mindless golems still supporting this shit for the mega corps to ever want to innovate past OLED unfortunately
I can't imagine the profit margins these days
>inb4 poor
If I suddenly won 10 million tomorrow my take wouldn't change one bit
>$1000+ with shipping
There is no real reason to buy a monitor over 100 maybe 200 bucks. And if you really do need best in class you will be spending 10k+
No amount of fudging test results will make a monitor worth >200 bucks
On the other hand monitors generally hold their value very well. That is, unless it is an oled KEK.
>I will not upgrade until microLEDs cost less than a house.
If Samsung ever gets their head out of their butts and just releases QNED or SHARP beats them to the punch with QDEL you might get to the same price sooner at a fraction of the cost. MicroLED offers literally nothing over either technology and both of those are close to scaled commercialization.
>MicroLED offers literally nothing over either technology >except order of magnitude longer lifespans with 0 fading or burn-in >and the ability to flip states instantaneously allowing for khz refresh rates
I don't understand the point of an OLED monitor. I don't care what anyone says, burn in is clearly an issue. If you're going OLED you may as well get a TV so you can at least enjoy movies on it, and when you feel like it you can throw a game on it every now and then and never actually use it for your desktop. You'd just constantly worry about keeping static images on the screen the whole time for an OLED monitor, and you movie watching on monitor sucks since it's so small.
>I don't understand the point of an OLED monitor. I don't care what anyone says, burn in is clearly an issue. If you're going OLED you may as well get a TV so you can at least enjoy movies on it, and when you feel like it you can throw a game on it every now and then and never actually use it for your desktop. You'd just constantly worry about keeping static images on the screen the whole time for an OLED monitor, and you movie watching on monitor sucks since it's so small.
If I was going to purchase an OLED I want the highest pixel density for clarity and refresh rate for motion that is available and now that's shifted to the monitor form factor. A few years back I would agreed as the LG C-Series (particularly the CX) were superior to every monitor you could buy at any price, but times have changed.
microLED doesn't use organic compounds that quickly degrade. It has a far longer lifespan and less worry with ownership.
Both QNED which is based on emissive nanorod LEDs and QDEL which are emissive quantum dots like used in LED TVs are inorganic, meaning types of tech won't burn-in just like MicroLED but at least with QDEL are already demo'd at sane PPI scales instead having to take 100" walls costing $30,000 just to be able to output a 4K image.
>$1000+ with shipping
There is no real reason to buy a monitor over 100 maybe 200 bucks. And if you really do need best in class you will be spending 10k+
No amount of fudging test results will make a monitor worth >200 bucks
>3 year warranty
How does this work? Say you get burn-in on year 2 and they send you a new monitor, that one burns in on year 2 as well. Since that's been 4 years since purchase you are sol?
How can somebody justify $300 a year to rent a monitor for 3 years?
What if you send it back and they say claim that there is no burn in?
What if you burned in e-girl manga at the top right? Are they gonna van you instead of replacing the monitor?
So many questions
you must be talking about europe where the avg salary for someone with a bachelors is the same as a manager at mcdonalds in the US. unfortunately, nobody making 60k euro a year with a 50% tax rate can afford a 1200 OLED in the first place
>How can somebody justify $300 a year to rent a monitor for 3 years?
You exchange your burned monitor for a new one, sell it, and buy the new best model because by then this OLED will be a POS.
>Uses significantly less power, resulting in longer battery life >Screen is only used for at most a couple hours at a time, off most of the time, less chance of burn in >even the most frugal person will upgrade their phone every couple years or so, so burn in isnt an issue anyway
It really is perfect for phones
microled as a tech is pretty much dead in the water
since we have actual mass manufacturing methods for displays with perfect image quality the value curve between oled and microled will never meet. Oled will only get cheaper and since they already last as long as electronics in general last before some other part dies you will only ever buy mass manufacturable oled displays and replace them when needed.
Microled meanwhile will be used in niche applications where cost doesnt matter and you need some specific feature it offers.
What will compete with oleds are the qdel or pholeds which is just more durable version of oled.
I'm waiting to see if ultrawide oleds gets the third generation panels.
afaik none of them have second generation, and first generation are burn in prone.
So hopefully new ones with new panels will have longevity tech in them.
I wish all of you shut-in homosexual morons would just go to the local stores to see what's actually out there these days. It's almost like I'm talking to some homosexual 15 year olds who teleported directly from 2015 and can't even fathom the concept of local dimming more than the flashlighting during the credits on side-lit LCDs or an OLED brighter than a Galaxy S4.
>LMAO JUST BUY A NEW DISPLAY EVERY FEW YEARS!!XD
Literally blow your head off with a shotgun already. You have no idea how much damage you do.
Displays are cheap and upgrades are nice. If poor, live poor but a few hundred bucks every few years for something you spend at least eight hours a day interacting with and more if you WFH make most computer trivially cheap per hour of use.
Say you barely use a PC at only eight hours a day. That's nearly 3,000 hours a year. At a trivial cost per hour of say fifty cents you have $1500 minimum of pocket change/year to improve your most important life experience.
10 years and it's all still prohibitively expensive or vaporware.
Modern "tech" companies care more about selling overpriced junk to "influences" and "enthusiast" then they do about making a real, standard, product.
I have a 14 year old HP VA monitor that still works perfectly fine. Can OLEDs do that? I'll stick with LCD panels until micro-LEDs become affordable in 5 years or so.
Have an LG CX 48" I used as a monitor for ages, and now a LG C2 42" . Pretty much flawlesss ever since, best combination of 4K, OLED, 120hz, HDR, FreeSync/GSync etc. The only thing that's a little annoying is HDMI only, but that's more because HDMI has decided to be a b***h in certain edge cases (this reminds me, do the AMD FOSS Linux drivers push HDMI 2.1 - necessary to get full 4K 120hz HDR / 10 bit 4:4:4 etc. yet or do you have to install the proprietary extensions? ) that has nothing to do with the monitors themselves.
I'd be interested to see if newer generation OLEDs or QD-OLEDs have any new features and how they stack up. Asus seems to have one of the better ones with a QD-OLED 240hz 32" with other solid specs; I'd want to compare it against LG's W-OLED latest offerings.
funny how both intel and nvidia have solutions to get HDMI 2.1 on linux, even funnier not a single AM5 motherboard supports DP 2.0 even though every 7000 series processors iGPU supports DP 2.1, AMD are fricking morons and now what will they do, release another god damn chipset(X870) to address the problem that they created by not forcing their oem board partners to use at least DP 2.0. I really was going to pull the trigger on an AM5 8600G for my HTPC but after seeing how absolutely shit the support is I wound up just saying frick it and uses android tv since at least with that I don't need to jump through a thousand hoops to make my TV work at its rated specs.
I have an OLED TV. Definitely overrated. The best LCD monitors are just as good and much brighter
only at daylight
t. has LED and suffers from blooming
OLED monitors and TVs give me massive eye strain and headache.
Worst, useless piece of garbage I've ever seen.
Most TVs have insane default settings, you need to use the filmmaker mode.
>OLED monitors
Why? Each pixel produces it's own light. There is no back-light, so no flicker, which is the only documented phenomenon that causes eye fatigue.
You're going to have to post a source that proves your claim.
I just don't have a need for a new monitor at the moment. If I do, I may or may not go for OLED.
>"my eyes hurt!"
>"DO U HAVE A SOURCE FOR THAT?!?"
Pain is not a metric
4K 144Hz?
240hz
I will never get an OLED.
A monitor should at maximum be $200-$250
>inb4 poor
If I suddenly won 10 million tomorrow my take wouldn't change one bit
it would, actually, since it's clearly tied to your current income.
its your lack of resource that you have to create virtue around, if you had more money, your idea of too expensive would change accordingly.
>since it's clearly tied to your current income.
not that anon, but how do you come out with that conclusion.
you sound like you're making some profound statement, but you're not.
because that's how people work, we expand our lives to fit our wealth.
frugality under pressure is literally just coping for lack of resource.
had he been born a millionaire or was a working professional, would he have developed such a low, arbitrary limit for a computer monitor?
what are the odds that 250 dollars also falls outside of what he can afford?
its safe to assume they're linked.
>meme subpixel layout
>burn-in
>no dp 2.1
I'm not against OLED, but I'm not paying that much for a monitor when the next generation OLEDs in 2025 will have a proper RGB layout and DP 2.1.
thats actually very sensible if you dont mind missing out
What's wrong with the subpixel layout? The LCD one was never optimal.
Mostly bad text clarity. Most material expects you to have a proper RGB subpixel layout. Cleartype on Windows helps (Most people still don't know about this) but doesn't solve all problems.
The "proper" RGB subpixel layout privileges horizontal detail, but completely neglects verticality. There's a lot of potential for clever trickery with triangular layouts.
And that doesn't matter in practice because that's not the standard.
As long as you take the steps to use custom subpixel text rendering, it's fine. Hopefully Microsoft will address that directly one day.
It doesn't matter when content in general Is. Not. Designed. For. It. Microsoft doesn't make all content.
Go shill on IQfy instead, at least it's not a moronic technology in practical application there.
>Content
Such as? Only a moron would bake standard RGB layout stuff into anything. Most content that isn't system font rendering makes no assumption about subpixels.
qd-oled is especially egregious with green fringing because subpixel layout is a triangle with green at the top
Why are OLED monitors still using layouts like this when phone screens already figured this shit out?
that would look even worse, because the real problem is windows font rendering
>pentile layout results in shitty font rendering at low dpi
>uses discrete red, green and blue subpixels that age at a different rate and causes burn-in
In WOLED each subpixel is white with only a color filter on top. QD-OLED uses all-blue subpixels with a quantum dot filter on top. These two methods reduce burn-in since each subpixel wears at the same rate, assuming luminosity is uniform across subpixels of course.
Because it's a meme technology for coomsumers with more money than sense
>What's wrong with the subpixel layout?
nothing.
wintoddlers are just learning their shitty OS doesn't properly render text at the subpixel with anything that isn't rectangular rgb.
What platforms do support subpixel rendering for OLEDs?
https://freetype.org/freetype2/docs/reference/ft2-lcd_rendering.html
Harmony does this. You have to manually define the geometry, but it technically exists and works.
I'm impressed, I genuinely thought this wasn't implemented by any mainstream platform.
>buying first gen OLED RGB subpixels
Because my 165Hz 1440p IPS is fine, I'm not a consumer prostitute, and miniLED with 5,000+ zones will be relatively cheap in 10ish years when I'll be ready for a new monitor.
I'd only consider OLED in the future if it's substantially cheaper than LCD to make up for the much lower lifespan.
>BUT!
I have a miniLED TV with almost 2,000 zones and a modern VA panel, and I disable motion blur and post processing.
I have seen the light. Now run off and have a nice day in the quickest and most painless way possible so the world doesn't have to continue experiencing you, OLED shill.
because of burn in. you have to be moronic to use this as a monitor.
My four year old chink phone doesn't even have burn in from the status bar.
You don't stare at your phone for 6+ hours a day with the same static elements. And people who do trade it in every year or every other year because they're obsessed consumers.
My screentime is 3-5 hours a day, I'll often have YouTube vidoes playing on it while I'm working (since my work laptop is filled with company spyware).
>youtube videos
>constantly changing media
Still has the status bar active.
so you dont have the videos full screened?
No, that makes it a hassle to change video.
ah i get it
you are a loser who likes to squint to see videos
I accept your concession.
you got a dead pixel
That's literally my laptop's webcam light.
sure it is
And then one day you'll notice burn-out, and years layer, my IPS monitor will be 10 with tens of thousands of hours on it. OLED is objectively more far expensive when you factor in actual lifespan. The organic compound won't last as long as artificial materials. I'll be interested when microLED is in a similar pricing state to what OLED is in now. An 8K one would be worth considering putting some money down on. So yeah, call me in 15 years. Maybe less when OLED displays are no longer priced by sociopathic israelites.
I just bought both my monitors in the last year - 4k@60hz HDR monitor for creative work and 1440p@165hz for gayman
Definitely excited for my next round of monitor purchases in like 2027 though.
You have to buy monitors every 4 years?
please sirs be a good sir and buy the new monitor every 4 years at maximal period.
this is the needful.
Yeah, why not? Monitors are cheap.
What is the color accuracy like? Does it have HDR? Was looking for something kinda like this, I'd prefer something cheaper though like 1080P OLED and good color accuracy maybe even HDR for when Wayland supports it
good morning sars!
>pay 4x the price to get the burn in feature
oof, sirs, this isnt looking good...
The interesting part is that it's not even burn-in. It's burn-out. It's not like Plasma, where you can just make sure the TV doesn't get too hot/turn it off for half an hour every 6 hours to completely avoid it. The only way to avoid burn-out is to not use your OLED display at all. It's like a candle. It's inevitable, yet they expect you to pay MORE for it. Only the most awful/stupid/uneducated people alive recommend it for PC or moderate to heavy gaming use. I have the very least tolerance for OLED shilling on IQfy because of this.
Basically, yes, they are poos.
>The only way to avoid burn-out is to not use your OLED display at all. It's like a candle. It's inevitable
As conclusive as saying humans die little by little every day.
>ad absurdum
concession accepted
You have to prove how much degradation is enough to be visible, not one is arguing that OLEDs dont age or wear off like every other display technology.
Now your experiments, if you would, please.
>>muh fellacy
>generic npc tier phrase
k
My miniLED will be brighter (It's already MUCH brighter) and have a much better HDR effect in 5 years from now.
Also:
>comparing people to technology.
Poo confirmed.
HDR isnt about brightness, it has to do deep black levels as well. Local dimming sucks and causes halos and blooming.
Also LCDs have worse pixel response times and poor uniformity.
MiniLED, modern panels, and actual human perception really throw all of your linus racemixing tips out the window.
Your kind is not human, and never will be, souless automaton.
I have money to afford the best displaying tech today even though it stops working in a few years, what's the problem?
Doesnt happen on newer models, OLED has evolved a lot.
Where are the 1080p OLED gaming monitors for 240Hz?
Anyone that can afford an OLED isn't playing at 1080p. You can get 1440p at 360hz though.
I can afford it, I just prefer 1080p. Most porn is 1080p.
Proof? The newer models just arent old enough to tell. Manufacturers have no incentive to actually fix this "issue", only concern is to keep you consuming.
>Proof?
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/longevity-test
did you read your own link? it doesnt even have results.
And this is how the LCD looks. Why doesnt the LCD look perfect?
>he doesn't know about DSE
Definitely a poo shill who doesn't want to admit you can just buy a better LCD model to avoid running into it. It's a Walmart special LCD problem.
>It's a Walmart special LCD problem.
I got news for you:
>"The Samsung QN95B QLED is Samsung's highest-end 4k LED TV, and it's the successor to the Samsung QN95A QLED, which was never released in North America."
>Samsung
You do realize these guys have been advertising midrange TVs as top tier for over a decade now, right?
I dont know what lcd you picked, and neither i am saying that lcds are perfect. Yet my point remains: OLEDs degrade significantly over time, and especially with careless use. I sometimes wish i had bought an oled though, especially with the sometimes terrible blooming my x95's image suffers from in a completely dark room. But still i find it weird how oledBlack folk try to defend their beloved technology to a point where they are straight up lying to themselves and everybody else.
>
Because LCDs also degrade over time. All this burn in talk is from gen1 oled, things have changed, a lot. Hell there are torture tests that prove this still ongoing, and by the way half the problems they found were with LCDs.
good morning sir!!!!
sony a80j
even the g1 i posted before shows slight degrading, only at 50% gray, not so much at the other colours - yet. You will always have to babysit them.
yes sar good model very good sar redeem
>250nits
jfc
You only need 203+ nits to enter HDR territory. It's more than perfect for SDR.
"""""""""""""""""""""HDR""""""""""""""""""""
Even my 400-nit and more expensive 600-nit monitors are far from what could truly be considered "actual HDR". You are pulling figures out of your ass here.
>You are pulling figures out of your ass here.
Cope.
>another consumer taking numbers from a piece of paper without understanding practical, real world application
Do we need to talk about how the human eye is not a camera connected to a computer looking at a display in a reflectionless void again?
The real world application is specified. It's a piece of actual surface illuminated by controlled lighting where every light source brighter than itself is considered whiter than white, a la HDR. You'd see this with your eyes first hand.
32 inches seems kind of big for a desk monitor honestly
I only play games at 1080p, all my old movies are 1080p. Why would I buy a 2k monitor, where are the good RTS games that can span my tripple monitor setup?
Sup Commander FA, allows to show the tactical map on a side display.
I don't pay for consumable monitors that get raped in 6 months of normal work / computer use.
Guys, I'm looking to buy a TV myself, but I don't even.
LCD, QLED, OLED, 60 hz, 120 hz, *Insert fancy combination of words the producers presents as must haves tech by 2024*
I don't want a shit TV, nor do I want to sell my bone marrow to afford a flagship TV that gets completely mogged by a new model 15 months later.
What price range should I go for?
And since there's so much detail go get hung up on: How trustworthy are reviews if I google some model and quickly glance through the average stars in the first few pages of results?
Just but something 4K IPS/LCD/VA.
Never buy VA ever. It may be fast but the image is the literal shit.
€400
I need to read text on my computer.
How can you justify that purchase. You can't assemble a pretty nice PC with that money.
>$950
>4k
Not interesting
>It's under $950 now.
My current monitor (28" 4K IPS) cost me about $340, and that was extravagant enough! Spending almost 3x as much on something with known durability issues is hard to justify, even if the picture is nicer.
> 28" 4K
Too small for 4k.
Is this the monitor that they made like 400 units of that sold out instantly and it's been out of stock since then?
Why would you get an MSI OLED when Dell just released their gen 3 QD-OLED monitors at
crazy low prices.
thats Alienware not dell if they want me to buy them label them a not poisoned name cause i odnt care who makes it i will NEVER buy something called alienware
Alienware isn't even Alienware in terms of product philosophy anymore, Dell literally just wanted the brand name.
The computers are still overpriced trash, but this is true for all pre-builts and gayman laptops.
Ten years ago you'd want an Intel/Radeon, now it's Ryzen/Geforce. Times change.
when they release one that is dell branded ill consider buying it
>buying based on brandname rather than product
ishiggydiggydoo
the Alienware comes in the ugliest package i have ever seen dell makes a better looking monitor period
by the way, when you get burn in on these and you try to RMA, they will send you used/refurbished replacements and waste as much of your time as possible 😀
because its 32 inches and 4k and i dont have a 4090
I have have and it's fricking awesome. Just get.
PWM
when they make one with KVM
I honestly can not tell a difference
Had a phone with an IPS screen, upgraded to a new phone a few months back with OLED screen and to my eyes it is the exact same
look at it a black background and white text you will see the difference
>black background and white text
You shouldn't look at things like that, it causes more eye strain
>You shouldn't look at things like that
Where do you think you are?
Epstein's virtual island?
and you are moronic i bet you run your phone in light mode
I do
Light mode is a representation of your soul. Those who browse in light mode are more pure hearted, and have noble intentions. Those who browse dark mode should be worried. "But light mode hurts your eyes" or perhaps thats what the demons would like you to think. It is hurting your soul, and your feeble mind is making up excuses for why you want to use dark mode.
frick of copeland go use your millions to benefit the needy
It does, unironically. After two years of remote w/dark more, I have halo effect/duplicated text lines. Light mode is OK.
I've been thinking of a 2 monitor setup. Basic monitor for desktop, OLED for video and gayming. In that case it's still too expensive.
I'll wait until they're $100, that's about the price they're worth.
>buy something that requires me to change the way I use my pc to not damage it
No thanks, I will keep displaying software on my LCD monitors with static UI and menus for 12+ hours a day
$1000 to spend on a tv that is literally guaranteed to break and get worse every time you use it
fricking dumb shit
its a monitor NOT a TV
even worse even more static images with monitors
have to hide taskbars and shit frick all that
OLED is the only panel technology guaranteed to degrade the second you start using it.
And what's the alternative? Plasma degrades too.
The alternative is LCD. The working man's (Even the hard-playing man's) display technology of choice. Actual adults don't chase after overpriced tech that physically degrades. Note how the problem in real life comes down to price. Money, something that adults manage responsibly. You're not buying one TV that will last the rest of your life. You do not have infinite money. Displays are not the only thing you will ever need or want to spend money on. Displays improve over time. Stop putting all your eggs in one overpriced limited lifespan basket.
Poo shills need to rope now.
THEY ARE NOT TVS THEY ARE FRICKING MONITORS USE THE RIGHT WORD YOU FRICKING moron
"Displays". The only thing that really matters in this context is use case. Get ground into pig food.
NO ONE USES A CIOMOPUTERR ON A TV UNLESS THEYY ARE FRICKING moronic I WILL NEVER EVER USE A TV AS A CMPUTER DISPLAY I WILL LITERALLY DIE FIRST
Looks like this one has been successfully mindbroken.
i will never ever own another TV they aer shit and people are ttrying to take away my desktop and make me use cloud gaming
frick that frick that frick that frick that
it's a panel that shows pixels who fricking cares dumb homie
>Actual adults don't chase after overpriced tech that physically degrades.
Then why is OLED marketing growing every year, and why is almost every high-end display also OLED?
Because you're a mindless consumer/shill.
>You're not buying one TV that will last the rest of your life.
What if the rest of my life is less than 10 years? You don't fricking know when you die. Life is a lot more fragile than you think it is. Buying things with expectation to use them for next 30+ years is moronic. You'll understand what I mean a moment you find yourself in a hospital bed over some unforeseen bullshit which almost took your life.
Im not poor though
That doesn't make you wise or not a cancer on humanity.
Sure but I dont need to count my change and pray to god a shitty $200 monitor will last a decade
It's not praying, it's saying no to cancerous business practices. You're a moron like janny so you wouldn't get it.
If you don't use at least a 20 year old tv yourself you don't have a point here.
I have 3 of them mounted in my all my bathrooms
Been using an LG C2 since it launched and I will never go back from OLED. I love all the poor losers pumping up their shitty light-bleed IPS in the thread lol
oled is a meme for as long as its 2x/3x the price. The improvment isn't even that great, Black folk on this board way over hype it.
>Why havent you gone OLED?
motion blur
This shit hurts my eyes.
There's something about how OLED works (no backlight) that hurts my eyes.
because you are inferior
No, it's because having no backlight makes the LED system bad for your eyes. Too much fast flashing perhaps. That and increased eye strain from newer, higher light wavelength blue OLEDs due to them causing oxidative stress to your eyes.
nah you are just inferior
i do have one and can't go back to LCD shit, but these aren't mass market ready until they're under $400 and dont require ANY due diligence on the user to avoid burn-in because the average person isn't gonna think to hide their taskbar and have a changing/moving wallpaper (even though that's pretty much all it takes to avoid it and it's like 2 clicks)
also windows needs to improve their font rendering because by default it looks like shit on OLED (imo it looks shit on LCD too but it's serviceable) and requires installing MacType to look good
Technology worse than 25 year old vacuum tubes
Only if you ignore literally every other spec which actually matters.
>gaming monitor
>can't display motion
Motion only matters in handful of competitive games. For casual gaming LCD/OLED offers more than enough. No one cares about your autistic tantrum over minor motion blur. Average person doesn't even notice shit like that. What's actually noticeable is display brightness, sharpness and contrast.
Motion blur is objectively ugly and even eye-straining, even in casual games. And it's not at all a minor effect either.
>Average person doesn't even notice shit like that.
They absolutely do, I've shown what a CRT can do to complete normies and they can instantly notice the otherworldy motion clarity just moving windows around.
Displays capable of proper motion have not been sold in over 20 years. Everyone's just forgotten what we had. Or never even experienced it first-hand.
>Everyone's just forgotten what we had
You sound like pretentious gay who compares crt to some old 60hz lcd shitter from 2010. For people who actually care about motion clarity in games there are plenty of options which only getting better each year. Asus just released fastest TN panel last year.
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All it needs now is nvidia pulsar update to strobe at variable refresh rate.
>b-b-but muh ghosting!
IPS issues.
What good are 300-500hz displays for when most of my games run at 60-100fps ?
>All it needs now is nvidia pulsar update to strobe at variable refresh rate
That's been a standard feature in gigabyte's M-series monitors for a couple years now. Hopefully it'll appear on more displays under nvidia's branding.
CRT troons are still going to foam out of their mouths about how this isn't good enough
They're a lot better than that now.
Monitors now are so worthless man, it's so sad.
I wish Japan didn't exit the monitor/TV business.
>CRTroon insists on shoving his eceleb website and obsession with dead technology into every unrelated discussion
>muh burn in
2018 fairytale
8000 hours is nothing, basically brand new
>I-it's nothing, wait 2 more weeks!
OLED haters get really quiet when confronted by real evidence.
CRT can last 10 times longer than your pathetic 8000 hours
CRTs perform like shit, so whats the point?
>8000 hours
Get your wife's boyfriend to watch more TV
2018 jokes too apparently
Not my fault you're a cuck since 2018
>Muh current year
have a nice day
>all that burn in
cause my 1920x1200, 27 inch LCD costed 50 euro
I had one back in 2014 and I didn't care about the difference. If I wanted a screen with better colors that I have to deal with ghosting on, I'll just use a crt tv.
my eyes already hurt from 144hz .
>get OP's monitor
>load up testufo
>still a blurry mess
PWM flicker. I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 with OLED display and it's shit.
>$950 for burn-in
Because My 120hz VA Dell 34” ultra wide still looks good to me. I’m not a brain dead consoomer. Perhaps if this thing breaks I will replace it. I would prefer to spend my money on a PCVR headset
Forgot pic
>I’m not a brain dead consoomer
>
The stuff under my desk is over a decade old. My SFF PC is a 5700G and I have a Mac mini.
Cause I gain nothing from it. LCD is good enough for reading mails, reading docs, writing docs and writing code. There haven't been any good games to play recently anyways
>spend 800$ on the "best" high refreshrate panel
>it has pixel shifting that every 3 minutes repositions the entire fricking screen by 1-2 pixels and it cant be turned off.
ontop of that, the font rendering is fricking atrocious because most applications are not designed to handle the moronic pixel layout of oled.
i need you to understand the pixel shifting is to prevent burn in you psychopath
I fully understand what its for, and I will not be buying an oled panel because of it.
than enjoy never having true black
oled is just a stopgap til microled gains traction. I can hold out with qled and other panel tech thats basically 95% as good as oled while I wait.
we will never get past oled i need you to understand this or at the very least stop throwing an autistic fit everytime someone mentions using oled
>we will never get past oled
Sony already pulled out from making Oled TVs.
and what are they making instead?
Their bankruptcy plan.
miniLED and microLED (what they call CrystalLED)
That's microLED.
>That's microLED.
Ah right, I thought that was just miniLED with smaller backlights.
nfts and AI
this year they're focusing on mini led with more local dimming zones
they havent abandoned oled they just arent replacing the a95l this year
Aren't they currently experimenting with non-organic diodes?
I'm not into blacks, silly.
true black is a myth
the panel with pixels off isnt "true black" either
pic related is my lg g3
note how blacker the bezel is than the pixels themselves
True black is all about perception.
You can take an old LCD with no local dimming, slap a black square in the middle of a white screen, and your eyes will percieve it as "true black".
You're not supposed to mention that or the blue subpixel. It ruins every marketers day.
Bias lighting is broken for this. Throw some white LED strips on the back of your display and your perception of black levels increases significantly.
VA is the only thing worth buying. IPS is a meme. Who cares if the blacks "smear", which isn't even a problem in modern VA displays, when IPS can't even display blacks to begin with?
Currently VA is the most reasonable option for poors
I bought odyssey g6 and the biggest issue isn't black smear, its scanlines that caused the most annoyance and apparently all VA are prone to it if they push the monitor to 240hz territory.
Then its the tv smart os but thats samsung specific.
If I could afford oled Id def use that instead
I set my monitor to 144hz no matter wat. I don't really see a reason to go higher, plus when you set it higher GPU never clocks down and uses 3x more power when idle.
>240hz
You're not getting anywhere near there in most games.
true
one issue with va is that at low refresh rate the pixel response time get worse so oled is better in those scenarios
Works on my 2023 VA TV.
>local dimming
oh boy, I love my monitor looking like a checkerboard!
It only does that in extreme cases like looking at a star field, how often does that even happen in video games
Have you ever seen a crusty jpg? That's what miniled looks like all the time.
What you're really saying is that you haven't seen any top tier TCL, Samsung, Sony, or Hisense models from 2023. It's OK to admit it, most people would walk past them and think they're OLED.
>models from 2023
Can't wait for a few more months when we'll start seeing
>of course you don't think miniLED looks good, you haven't seen the 2024 models that finally fixed all the problems for real this time
and on and on. Same cope OLEDgays have been coming back to annually whenever anyone mentions burn-in.
Once you reach about 2,000 zones on a VA panel, it doesn't matter quite as much. The bigger improvement this year is coming from peak brightness.
my monitor only has 336 and it's not even a problem on that. Only seen it in a game once staring at a black corner with a crosshair, you can see the light around the crosshair
no, they pretty much all suck in different ways
tcl and hisense have shit algorithms and zony has a shit zone count
I have one it is definitely not like that in any content that matters... Only in extreme cases like a mouse on a dark background you see the backlight following the mouse around
>Only in extreme cases like a mouse on a dark background you see the backlight following the mouse around
so like all the time if you use dark mode
No... why would you use local dimming on desktop? HDR is only enabled when HDR content is being used. It's turned off in SDR mode.
Oops... Meant to say dimming is only on when HDR content is being displayed.
Sh-shut up!
>dark mode
Eye strain mode.
And turn on the lights in your room, junior.
thats why you need VA for its high contrast ratio to work with the minileds, and preferably a lotta zones
I would never buy ips minileds
And heres my c2. Something is wrong with your g3 then.
The different is light source location and overall brightness of the room.
IQfy is such an inept, consumer prostitute place for display discussion.
try taking a picture with more than a millisecond exposure
internal light reflection, dipshit.
if you remove all light sources, everything can look black, dipshit
Isn't this how all screens look when they are off? You could find something darker than the bezels too if you looked.
it doesnt prevent it, it just delays it
you will still get burn in it will just take longer
>$950 for burn in a year later
What kind of consumerist mental illness is this?
Because I'm not paying a price premium for this shit
https://www.pcgamer.com/im-still-not-convinced-about-the-brilliance-of-oled-gaming-monitors-is-this-a-me-issue-or-an-oled-issue/
Too many mindless golems still supporting this shit for the mega corps to ever want to innovate past OLED unfortunately
I can't imagine the profit margins these days
i did, aw3225qf. when the firmware update that lets me disable dolby vision comes out this week it'll be flawless
ayy it's out and i don't have to deal with dolby vision any more
I have, and it's great
Thanks for reminding me to update
Can get most of the benefits by just using a cheap CRT
Do OLED people use screen savers? Also is it difficult to find nice ones?
the only way to save an OLED screen is to keep it turned off.
>under $950
the most I've ever spent on a monitor is $300
On the other hand monitors generally hold their value very well. That is, unless it is an oled KEK.
>Asus and MSI only shipped 100 units each for February
It's like they don't want money...
my va panel gets pseudo burn-in, don't even want to know how bad an oled would be
I will when I get a 5090
I will not upgrade until microLEDs cost less than a house.
>I will not upgrade until microLEDs cost less than a house.
If Samsung ever gets their head out of their butts and just releases QNED or SHARP beats them to the punch with QDEL you might get to the same price sooner at a fraction of the cost. MicroLED offers literally nothing over either technology and both of those are close to scaled commercialization.
microLED doesn't use organic compounds that quickly degrade. It has a far longer lifespan and less worry with ownership.
>MicroLED offers literally nothing over either technology
>except order of magnitude longer lifespans with 0 fading or burn-in
>and the ability to flip states instantaneously allowing for khz refresh rates
>if samsung ever gets there head out of their bu...
>vaporware
anon-san...
I don't understand the point of an OLED monitor. I don't care what anyone says, burn in is clearly an issue. If you're going OLED you may as well get a TV so you can at least enjoy movies on it, and when you feel like it you can throw a game on it every now and then and never actually use it for your desktop. You'd just constantly worry about keeping static images on the screen the whole time for an OLED monitor, and you movie watching on monitor sucks since it's so small.
>I don't understand the point of an OLED monitor. I don't care what anyone says, burn in is clearly an issue. If you're going OLED you may as well get a TV so you can at least enjoy movies on it, and when you feel like it you can throw a game on it every now and then and never actually use it for your desktop. You'd just constantly worry about keeping static images on the screen the whole time for an OLED monitor, and you movie watching on monitor sucks since it's so small.
If I was going to purchase an OLED I want the highest pixel density for clarity and refresh rate for motion that is available and now that's shifted to the monitor form factor. A few years back I would agreed as the LG C-Series (particularly the CX) were superior to every monitor you could buy at any price, but times have changed.
Both QNED which is based on emissive nanorod LEDs and QDEL which are emissive quantum dots like used in LED TVs are inorganic, meaning types of tech won't burn-in just like MicroLED but at least with QDEL are already demo'd at sane PPI scales instead having to take 100" walls costing $30,000 just to be able to output a 4K image.
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this thread has convinced me to not get an OLED monitor next time i'm buying one
why would anyone buy a monitor thats over 150$
have we gotten any details about the 4k 240hz/1080p 480hz dual modes on these new monitors?
Have had an OLED TV since October 22, and an OLED monitor since January 23.
Best two hardware purchases I made in years.
My LG C2 42" was 700.
Paired with a 7900xtx
Muah
Doesn't OLED have burn in? I've only ever used a VA panel as far as high performance pc monitors go. What should I get?
>What should I get?
The cheapest one that does the res, size, and refresh rate you want.
Modern oleds, I shit you not, have a ring of dead pixels and shift the entire image every 3 minutes.
Just upgraded from IPS to OLED recently. I managed to snag a Sony A80k on final clearance at costco for $650 late last year. It's quite nice.
>$1000+ with shipping
There is no real reason to buy a monitor over 100 maybe 200 bucks. And if you really do need best in class you will be spending 10k+
No amount of fudging test results will make a monitor worth >200 bucks
>3 year warranty
How does this work? Say you get burn-in on year 2 and they send you a new monitor, that one burns in on year 2 as well. Since that's been 4 years since purchase you are sol?
How can somebody justify $300 a year to rent a monitor for 3 years?
What if you send it back and they say claim that there is no burn in?
What if you burned in e-girl manga at the top right? Are they gonna van you instead of replacing the monitor?
So many questions
mostly correct but they dont send you a new one, they send you a refurbished one and hope you dont have the energy to bother disputing it
That's not true in civilized countries where consumer laws demand you have to get a brand new one.
you must be talking about europe where the avg salary for someone with a bachelors is the same as a manager at mcdonalds in the US. unfortunately, nobody making 60k euro a year with a 50% tax rate can afford a 1200 OLED in the first place
>How can somebody justify $300 a year to rent a monitor for 3 years?
You exchange your burned monitor for a new one, sell it, and buy the new best model because by then this OLED will be a POS.
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>t. low t
pwm and fricked up pixelgrid.
so not suitable for longterm viewing.
>pwm
What would be the alterantive?
pwm2
DC dimming or MHz-clocked PWM
OLED is for phones
>Uses significantly less power, resulting in longer battery life
>Screen is only used for at most a couple hours at a time, off most of the time, less chance of burn in
>even the most frugal person will upgrade their phone every couple years or so, so burn in isnt an issue anyway
It really is perfect for phones
microled as a tech is pretty much dead in the water
since we have actual mass manufacturing methods for displays with perfect image quality the value curve between oled and microled will never meet. Oled will only get cheaper and since they already last as long as electronics in general last before some other part dies you will only ever buy mass manufacturable oled displays and replace them when needed.
Microled meanwhile will be used in niche applications where cost doesnt matter and you need some specific feature it offers.
What will compete with oleds are the qdel or pholeds which is just more durable version of oled.
why even post if you have no idea what you're talking about
so you think microled mass manufacturing is right around the corner or what?
its not
power consumption is still high
I'm waiting to see if ultrawide oleds gets the third generation panels.
afaik none of them have second generation, and first generation are burn in prone.
So hopefully new ones with new panels will have longevity tech in them.
I wish all of you shut-in homosexual morons would just go to the local stores to see what's actually out there these days. It's almost like I'm talking to some homosexual 15 year olds who teleported directly from 2015 and can't even fathom the concept of local dimming more than the flashlighting during the credits on side-lit LCDs or an OLED brighter than a Galaxy S4.
>LMAO JUST BUY A NEW DISPLAY EVERY FEW YEARS!!XD
Literally blow your head off with a shotgun already. You have no idea how much damage you do.
Displays are cheap and upgrades are nice. If poor, live poor but a few hundred bucks every few years for something you spend at least eight hours a day interacting with and more if you WFH make most computer trivially cheap per hour of use.
Say you barely use a PC at only eight hours a day. That's nearly 3,000 hours a year. At a trivial cost per hour of say fifty cents you have $1500 minimum of pocket change/year to improve your most important life experience.
I could have bought a $2,500 77" OLED I did not. This isn't a "LMAO u le poorz XD" thing. Again: You have no idea how much damage you do.
Stop arguing in extremes. Either the money is more valuable to you than it is getting an upgrade. It's that simple. Acceptance != damaged
when will we have nanoled whats the expected price for 1440p 144hz
10 years and it's all still prohibitively expensive or vaporware.
Modern "tech" companies care more about selling overpriced junk to "influences" and "enthusiast" then they do about making a real, standard, product.
is it a samshit panel or Lasiatic?
samshit or I won't buy.
I have a 14 year old HP VA monitor that still works perfectly fine. Can OLEDs do that? I'll stick with LCD panels until micro-LEDs become affordable in 5 years or so.
>burn-in
no thanks I don't want a temporary monitor and have to consoom next one in a few years
not today Shekelberg
I'm waiting for the 16:10 32'' 4K sub500$ monitors.
>4k
So I need to buy a 1600 dollar GPU every generation to be able to run at 60 fps native? No thanks.
4K for general use, 1080 for games. You will likely not notice a huge difference in motion.
Expect thanks to shitty scalers in monitors, scaling to 1080p on a 4k monitor will look much worse than 1080p on a native 1080p monitor.
GPU scaling has existed for ages and integer scaling in particular has been around for years.
fix burnin and I'll buy one of them
Have an LG CX 48" I used as a monitor for ages, and now a LG C2 42" . Pretty much flawlesss ever since, best combination of 4K, OLED, 120hz, HDR, FreeSync/GSync etc. The only thing that's a little annoying is HDMI only, but that's more because HDMI has decided to be a b***h in certain edge cases (this reminds me, do the AMD FOSS Linux drivers push HDMI 2.1 - necessary to get full 4K 120hz HDR / 10 bit 4:4:4 etc. yet or do you have to install the proprietary extensions? ) that has nothing to do with the monitors themselves.
I'd be interested to see if newer generation OLEDs or QD-OLEDs have any new features and how they stack up. Asus seems to have one of the better ones with a QD-OLED 240hz 32" with other solid specs; I'd want to compare it against LG's W-OLED latest offerings.
very good sir yes sir LG make good monitor
AFAIK there's some israelitery going on with the HDMI 2.1 license that prevents AMD from implementing it on open source drivers
funny how both intel and nvidia have solutions to get HDMI 2.1 on linux, even funnier not a single AM5 motherboard supports DP 2.0 even though every 7000 series processors iGPU supports DP 2.1, AMD are fricking morons and now what will they do, release another god damn chipset(X870) to address the problem that they created by not forcing their oem board partners to use at least DP 2.0. I really was going to pull the trigger on an AM5 8600G for my HTPC but after seeing how absolutely shit the support is I wound up just saying frick it and uses android tv since at least with that I don't need to jump through a thousand hoops to make my TV work at its rated specs.